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Arenis Xemdal Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:35:00 - [61] No need to get personal, just because you don't have the best interests of EVE in mind. The sole function of Dictors is to drop bubbles on groups of people. I fail to see how anything has changed with that regard, you just won't be chasing down Interceptors in a fleet battle. Thus, you won't double as anti-support to the same extent.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:38:00 - [62] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal No need to get personal, just because you don't have the best interests of EVE in mind. The sole function of Dictors is to drop bubbles on groups of people. I fail to see how anything has changed with that regard, you just won't be chasing down Interceptors in a fleet battle. Thus, you won't double as anti-support to the same extent. So, what about the "anti-frigate" capacity of interdictors? Destroyers = Anti T1 Frig Interdictors = Anti T2 frig Except now there won't be any anti-t2 frig At least all dictor pilots are guaranteed to be good inty pilots. It's a requirement (literally). I'm beyond livid that the dictor is being nerfed. Nerf the Eris and leave the Vagabond alone... I simply don't know what to say. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:39:00 - [63] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal No need to get personal, just because you don't have the best interests of EVE in mind. The sole function of Dictors is to drop bubbles on groups of people. I fail to see how anything has changed with that regard, you just won't be chasing down Interceptors in a fleet battle. Thus, you won't double as anti-support to the same extent. Thus you become useless in small gangs. Thus you become a sitting duck in your own bubble.
Selnix Gallente Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:41:00 - [64] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I love this change. Ever since Dictors were released, they've become the endgame of tackling. It has long since been the opinion of experienced FCs that Interceptors are entirely useless in the context of fleets, and should be disallowed entirely. Maybe this will make them a valid choice once again. Fendahl, you are my new favorite dev. :3 Thought the cap use and scram range bonuses were to make interceptors better at filling their roles. Maybe whine about a ship you can actually fly next time and quit being a useless troll.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:43:00 - [65] Well yeah, its kind of funny the Eris is getting nerfed when its perhaps one of the worst t2 ships in EVE. But its issues are fitting relayed - crap cpu, crap grid. Its ability to function as a dictor is more or less on par with any other dictor. Maybe a little better cause its faster. So they can still go through with this nerf, it just means the Eris still needs to be fixed later. Second, even with the nerf, the ships are fast enough to escape their own bubble. I know it, and you know it. Lets not over-exaggerate to the point of absurdity.
Dose One GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:45:00 - [66] Welp, this certainly turned me away from flying any sort of dictor ever. Lah~
Pheonix Kanan Caldari Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Well yeah, its kind of funny the Eris is getting nerfed when its perhaps one of the worst t2 ships in EVE. But its issues are fitting relayed - crap cpu, crap grid. Its ability to function as a dictor is more or less on par with any other dictor. Maybe a little better cause its faster. So they can still go through with this nerf, it just means the Eris still needs to be fixed later. Second, even with the nerf, the ships are fast enough to escape their own bubble. I know it, and you know it. Lets not over-exaggerate to the point of absurdity. For the love of god, SHUT UP! No one agrees with you or wants to hear your opinion because, quite frankly, it's wrong. Really, by talking, all you do is **** more people off and you will be flamed into oblivion. Sig begins here: There are not enough failure images in existence to describe Rev 3
Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Heretic Army	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:46:00 - [68] Ceptor changes? I was with you on that. Nos change? Even as a Curse pilot, I was with you. Drone change? Drone user who's still on your side. Now interdictors? What? Were they really that bad? The only one I have ever feared is the Sabre... No tank, check. Sig radius of a small moon, check. Big "Blast the everliving hell out of me!" sign, check. Speed for some semblance of survivability, hello? Even if the Sabre is the reason for this, let's look at it rationally. Is it made of paper? Yup. Not Vagabond "paper". I'm saying it can be one-shotted if it even thinks about slowing down. This is just.... Too tired to make a coherent argument. No, just no --- Amarr/Caldari, and proud of it. Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
Arenis Xemdal Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:46:00 - [69] Originally by: Selnix Thought the cap use and scram range bonuses were to make interceptors better at filling their roles. Maybe whine about a ship you can actually fly next time and quit being a useless troll. I can fly dictors, and have used them in fleets. Your inability or unwillingness to see logic doesn't make me a troll, it makes you incompetent. Interceptors are meant to catch targets, Interdictors meant to stop them. An Interceptor should have speed, and an Interdictor should have stopping power. Currently on TQ, both have approximately the same speed and the Dictor has far better stopping power. The choice is a no-brainer one. After the nerf, you get some better variety. You sacrifice the ability to get to targets far away for the area-of-effect scrambling that cannot be stopped by wcs and will screw over supercapitals.
Brka Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:48:00 - [70] As a Die Hard dictor pilot you need the speed just to survive. Being able to survive is already risky at best. :P Bad again. Research groups needed on this game before your business model tanks.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:54:00 - [71] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I can fly dictors, and have used them in fleets. Your inability or unwillingness to see logic doesn't make me a troll, it makes you incompetent. Interceptors are meant to catch targets, Interdictors meant to stop them. An Interceptor should have speed, and an Interdictor should have stopping power. Currently on TQ, both have approximately the same speed and the Dictor has far better stopping power. The choice is a no-brainer one. After the nerf, you get some better variety. You sacrifice the ability to get to targets far away for the area-of-effect scrambling that cannot be stopped by wcs and will screw over supercapitals. I really have to wonder if you've ever flown the ships. Interdictors aren't even close to the speed of interceptors. With T2 fittings and no implants (but good skills) my Heretic can't even break 5km/s, well below any decent T2 interceptor. And that's with such a high mass that I can't even hold an orbit within range of my weapons!
Pheonix Kanan Caldari Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.02 03:59:00 - [72] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Oh god no, people will disagree with me on the forums and get their panties in a twist because not every buffalo wants to charge straight off the cliff. Truly, the fear has descended upon me. PS: Note the sarcasm. You were told, not my fault if others hunt you down. You have fun trying to play Eve now Sig begins here: There are not enough failure images in existence to describe Rev 3
Dangerously Cheesey GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:03:00 - [73] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I can fly dictors, and have used them in fleets. Your inability or unwillingness to see logic doesn't make me a troll, it makes you incompetent. Interceptors are meant to catch targets, Interdictors meant to stop them. An Interceptor should have speed, and an Interdictor should have stopping power. Currently on TQ, both have approximately the same speed and the Dictor has far better stopping power. The choice is a no-brainer one. After the nerf, you get some better variety. You sacrifice the ability to get to targets far away for the area-of-effect scrambling that cannot be stopped by wcs and will screw over supercapitals. I really have to wonder if you've ever flown the ships. Interdictors aren't even close to the speed of interceptors. With T2 fittings and no implants (but good skills) my Heretic can't even break 5km/s, well below any decent T2 interceptor. And that's with such a high mass that I can't even hold an orbit within range of my weapons! QFT Gistii MWD snaked out sabres ganking low skill point taranis pilots does not mean that dictors and ceptors are the same speed or even close. Even with their current speed, ceptors can be tough to catch for dictors, whose role, besides dropping bubbles, is to be the tech 2 destroyer. HACs/Recons are already better anti-frigate ships than dictors - thats just gonna get worse if you take away any hope dictor pilots have of catching a ceptor.
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:03:00 - [74] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Currently on TQ, both have approximately the same speed and the Dictor has far better stopping power. The choice is a no-brainer one. What? WHAT? Get out.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:11:00 - [75] Originally by: Merin Ryskin I really have to wonder if you've ever flown the ships. Interdictors aren't even close to the speed of interceptors. With T2 fittings and no implants (but good skills) my Heretic can't even break 5km/s, well below any decent T2 interceptor. And that's with such a high mass that I can't even hold an orbit within range of my weapons! And I really have to wonder which ships you're comparing, because with top skills, tech 2 mods, and no implants, my Taranis does just under 4km/s while my Eris does 3.4km/s. I specifically said they have "approximately the same speed" on TQ, and I would think less than 1km/s difference on two ships that routinely fly more than 4km/s each falls in the category of "approximate" instead of "aren't even close". If you want to talk semantics, go ahead, but maybe you should go talk to Molle, TWD, or Farjung about how many times the topic of Interceptors being worthless came up this year. And any self respecting FC would choose to have one dictor for at least every three interceptors.
Pheonix Kanan Caldari Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:15:00 - [76] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal my Taranis does just under 4km/s Then you did something wrong because the Taranis can hit 6-7km/s easily Sig begins here: There are not enough failure images in existence to describe Rev 3
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:18:00 - [77] Originally by: Bardi MecAuldnis Edited by: Bardi MecAuldnis on 02/11/2007 03:50:11 Ceptor changes? I was with you on that. Nos change? Even as a Curse pilot, I was with you. Drone change? Drone user who's still on your side. Now interdictors? What? Were they really that bad? The only one I have ever feared is the Sabre... No tank, check. Sig radius of a small moon, check. Big "Blast the everliving hell out of me!" sign, check. Speed for some semblance of survivability, hello? Even if the Sabre is the reason for this, let's look at it rationally. Is it made of paper? Yup. Not Vagabond "paper". I'm saying it can be one-shotted if it even thinks about slowing down. This is just.... Too tired to make a coherent argument. No, just no. This. I don't even fly dictors and I think this is a ****** nerf. In fact, CCP are making a lot of them right now. Cause you know, TDs and TCs are WAY overpowered, right? Guys? Right? Originally by:** Bardi MecAuldnis Edit: Originally by: Liang Nuren Nerf the Eris and leave the Vagabond alone... I simply don't know what to say. Liang Isn't the Vaga getting extra mids or did the drop that idea (or was I hallucinating)? I think that was a shopped pic. Also showed an Abso with 4 mids... that would have been sweet.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:22:00 - [78] Originally by: Pheonix Kanan Originally by: Arenis Xemdal my Taranis does just under 4km/s Then you did something wrong because the Taranis can hit 6-7km/s easily I'm not doing anything wrong. I am simply not including low slot speed mods into the comparison, because a) they work just fine on a Dictor and b) an Eris has more low slots anyways. Sorry to ruin your one line snipe.
Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:24:00 - [79] Furthermore, CCP, wtf you gonna nerf all the other speed freaks? Ceptors, fastest ships in eve. Sabre/Vaga, second fastest ships in eve. Other Dictors, third fastest class of ships in eve. Ceptors, all but crow have to maintain range. Sabre/Vaga, have to be close up to do their damage. Their speed is a blessing and curse as it really screws up tracking/damage. Other Dictors, flycatcher for durability, heretic for shiny value, eris for easy replacement. All still fast enough to catch all but nano*s with snakes. Leave Dictors alone, stop touching the dicts, hit the nanos with the nerfbat, not dictors. Don't even look at changing vaga. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet* Skeet L33t
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:25:00 - [80] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Merin Ryskin I really have to wonder if you've ever flown the ships. Interdictors aren't even close to the speed of interceptors. With T2 fittings and no implants (but good skills) my Heretic can't even break 5km/s, well below any decent T2 interceptor. And that's with such a high mass that I can't even hold an orbit within range of my weapons! And I really have to wonder which ships you're comparing, because with top skills, tech 2 mods, and no implants, my Taranis does just under 4km/s while my Eris does 3.4km/s. I specifically said they have "approximately the same speed" on TQ, and I would think less than 1km/s difference on two ships that routinely fly more than 4km/s each falls in the category of "approximate" instead of "aren't even close". I don't fly Gallente ships, but a quick EFT setup shows a max-skill Taranis (no implants, rigs, or gang bonuses on either) at 6273 m/s, compared to 4841 for the Heretic. Especially with the upcoming role bonus to warp disruptor cap use, you have no reason to fit anything but speed mods in your lows. So that's a 1400m/s speed difference, not even counting the massive difference in agility. Interceptors can hold a full-speed orbit easily, where interdictors either have to slow down considerably, or bounce out to a much longer range. My Heretic is limited to under 4km/s if I want to stay within rocket range, and even then I have a hard time keeping it tight enough. Quote: If you want to talk semantics, go ahead, but maybe you should go talk to Molle, TWD, or Farjung about how many times the topic of Interceptors being worthless came up this year. And any self respecting FC would choose to have one dictor for at least every three interceptors. Your point? Even by this statement, you have interceptors to interdictors in a 3:1 ratio. How can the interdictor possibly be overpowered when you want 3x as many of the competition?
Pheonix Kanan Caldari Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:29:00 - [81] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I'm not doing anything wrong. I am simply not including low slot speed mods into the comparison, because a) they work just fine on a Dictor and b) an Eris has more low slots anyways. Sorry to ruin your one line snipe. Ceptors are supposed to go fast. They don't have a tank. So what do you put on them if not speed mods? Ask people who fly them, you put speed mods in the ceptor's lows. That's why you see ceptors going 20km/s and not 3. Sig begins here: There are not enough failure images in existence to describe Rev 3
Arenis Xemdal Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:31:00 - [82] I get 3963m/s in EFT for Taranis, 3036m/s for Eris, see post #82 for why you're wrong.
G Mooo Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:36:00 - [83] As a proud dictor pilot (recently got into sabre/heretic recently this is totally unnecessary. I fly my dictors and i have a lot of fun doing it, more dps than a ceptor (yes, i do get tired of placing last on every KM, if i even make it) and i do get in web range, etc. Whatever, as long as its fun, right? But once they nerf the speed... there is simply no point, once you're webbed you won't have enough momentum to get away, period the end. I get in web range, get webbed, use momentum to get out all the time, sometimes at low shield, remove that speed, you're toast. Now dictors truly will be disposable bubble launchers... useless for small gangs cause they will be primaried and killed, useless for fleet engagements because you will never load the grid before you are primaried and killed.
MrRx7 Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:54:00 - [84] Wow, once again, I am having a hard time coming up with a reason to pay for this crap. I finally get the training for the sabre finshed all of 2 weeks ago....since they nerfed my curse and pilgrim...and what does ccp do..They nerf my next ship of choice...the sabre and other dictors.. Why do I pay 19$ or whatever per month for this crap. and no you cant has meh stuff, I dont have any
EadTaes Minmatar Veni Vidi Vici. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:54:00 - [85] OH ***** GOD OH LORD OH MIGHTY!!!!!!!!!! CCP WILL YOU *** CRUSSIFY THE *** LETS NERF THIS AND LETS NERF THAT GUY ONT HE PUBLIC SQUARE ALREADY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Dictors already have only 1, ONE, UNO life line and that is their speed period. They can tank for absolute ** and they sure as hell won't get any remote support in time no way in hell they'll be dead 10 times over before a logistic can even lock them. You slow them down you kill them because they just wont survive long enough anymore. If your not gonna execute the moron that keeps suggesting nerfs then at least have the curtsy to fire him please. Think creatively and not nerfly. You already putting in recon frigate which the minmatar one will have a web bonus. And the heavy dictor who will slow everything down. And already i can already use those 2 ships to counter dictors. So leave them alone. 0.0 Policing, Econnomic Control & NPC Agents
Susitna Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 04:59:00 - [86] No please. I have been playing a year and I am some what specialized in the interdictor class. I can fly both the flycatcher and the Sabre. While the Sabre could be considered a bit too fast the flycatcher is not. Slowing these ships down will make them bigger coffins than they already are. If the purpose of your tweak is to define the roles between interceptor and inderdictor, then buff the interceptor make them a bit faster. If you want to look at problems look at the stacking of implants and rigs that make plain silly speeds achievable. But please don't nerf the entire destroyer interdictor class. As a fairly new player, I am now getting very concerned about the long term stability in this game. Players spend many weeks training for ships and skills and changes should only happen IMHO if something is truly and obviously overpowered. The nerfs should also come fast when it becomes clear something is overpowered. Please drop this change. It is a bad one. I agreed with you on the Drone bandwidth change, was with you on the nos nerfs. Changed that did effect ships I pilot on a differnt account. This change boggles me though.
Krissie Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 05:06:00 - [87] MORE NERFS MORE NERFS, WE NEED MORE NERFS DAMN IT, THIS JUST ISN'T ENOUGH, MORE MORE MORE! NERF THE IBIS, FUXD UP LEET IBIS IS NEXT, GET THE NERF BATS!!!!! TO THE NERF CAVE BATMAN!
Evange	Posted - 2007.11.02 05:07:00 - [88] Im starting to think that they're putting in random nerfs just for the lolz.
Dangerously Cheesey GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 05:16:00 - [89] If CCP is concerned about dictors replacing interceptors, they should at least wait for the interceptor buff to go through. Getting a huge cap role bonus and extra scram range should make ceptors a more viable role in fleets. Yes, there are people who use the sabre like its a heavy claw with a bubble and yes, thats probably a little excessive. Trim at most 35-40m/s off the sabre then - God knows the other dictors don't need a nerf.
Selnix Gallente Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 05:38:00 - [90] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal And I really have to wonder which ships you're comparing, because with top skills, tech 2 mods, and no implants, my Taranis does just under 4km/s while my Eris does 3.4km/s. I specifically said they have "approximately the same speed" on TQ, and I would think less than 1km/s difference on two ships that routinely fly more than 4km/s each falls in the category of "approximate" instead of "aren't even close". Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: Pheonix Kanan Originally by: Arenis Xemdal my Taranis does just under 4km/s Then you did something wrong because the Taranis can hit 6-7km/s easily I'm not doing anything wrong. I am simply not including low slot speed mods into the comparison, because a) they work just fine on a Dictor and b) an Eris has more low slots anyways. Sorry to ruin your one line snipe. So what were those Tech 2 Mods then? Unrigged Post-nerf Eris with Accel IV and Nav V goes 3939m/s, with a tech II speed kit. Taranis does 6211m/s. Ares does 7312m/s. Crusader does 7603m/s. Malediction does 6716m/s. Thank you for trying to prove your point using the slowest interceptor and second fastest interdictor. Regardless, the intys are still at least 30% faster than the post-nerf Eris so how is it supposed to catch, kill or even annoy them? Also with useless (fight inside of web range) ammunition, the top speed of a Heretic has been reduced to 3596m/s or roughly half the speed of the average interceptor. With ammunition that keeps you near a safer distance, that velocity is further reduced to 2252m/s or roughly 1/3 of the velocity of your average interceptor. The Flycatcher may actually be able to outrun the Heretic now if it refrains from using Precision light missiles or long range rockets. To help put all of that in perspective, a prorator (industrial) can go 3210m/s in a simple T2 speed kit. The only implant in the test was a 3% to MWD hardwiring that was in for all of the tests, thus keeping them on even ground. (didn't remember having one last mirror)

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