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Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:47:00 - [151] Its good change. Step closer to killing invulnerable_to_anything speed sabres. And no, heretic is not dead. Neither is sabre. They still fly 5km/s+ which is enough to evade BS guns but now they can be actually killed by cruisers if they dont pay enough attention. And ill still fly em... at leats it will demand some player skill now.
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:54:00 - [152] Another marvelous change! Keep it up CCP. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
RedhawkMillionaire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:57:00 - [153] This in a long line of making things suck. What's next? An attempt to cripple 0.0 logistics? oh...wait
Random Womble Minmatar Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:05:00 - [154] Edited by: Random Womble on 02/11/2007 18:05:37 T2 fits on a sabre will get about 5k which is not insanely fast certainly catchable and they die fairly often (even with their popularity their price is a testiment to this) should the few people that invest the time money to get a decent speed be punished or others that dont have that money be punished in their stead? It really does not take much to kill a dictor they are paper thin and live only on speed (fleet fights you die anyway). If you want speeds over 10k which some antidictor posters keep mentioning you need atleast 2 of four from daul polycarbs, Gist MWD, Ship with rapid deployment wf link and mindlink in gang, snake set. Other than the gang stuff, the others cost 100mil, 150mil and what is it now 2-2.5bil? on a ship that if webbed or even shot at by some ships dies very quick that is a fair chunk of isk to risk.
Zeph Solaris Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:05:00 - [155] Ugh cancels Interdictors level 5
Pac SubCom A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:06:00 - [156] Nerfs hit everybody equally. The day your carrier or 300 mil battleship survives because the enemy dictor was a second too slow you'll thank the nerf. --------------- ∞ TQFE
Evengard Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:21:00 - [157] I think Devs want to destroy EVE... So there only be left chineese macro miners \ hunter. And maybe DEVs support them?? I fly dictor 95% of time, and now i must throw away ship i trained for year, all navigation @ 5 dictor lvl 5 ??? For now Sabre is abit faster than Heretic (6390 vs 6233) all @ lvl 5, T2 fit, T1 polycardons. For example Crow doing 7700 And even with this speed they getting easyly hit by sniping cruisers \ BC. So after nerf, then speed drops, noone will use rigs on this flying coffins, and implants too. So they will be popped by tons with any weapon, and be dead like class. So if this going to happend i'm doing to suspend my account, and all specialists that i trained, and now they getting nerfed and fly cruiser, or Battleship... Welcone to the destruction of EVE... Btw, me wondering how subscription will drop after Rev3 ?? 20? 30? 40% ??? ___________________ Recon and Intercept
Johan Quinn	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:32:00 - [158] The problem its not jsut the sabre that has been altered, it all of them. ATM i can use Flycatcher and an Eris. Both are now totally ****** if this goes thorugh, Flycatcher will die to anything and Eris, well it always has done. I am currently Training for a Sabre and as I always see a need for dictors I can stop cause it the only viable option now. All we shall see is the Sabre being the only dictor that is ever used due to it being able to keep some speed and get a HP buffer from a medium shield extender. To me they really need to reduce the sig radius of Dictors now, to maybe 10-20m more than frigs at most.
Zirator Times of Ancar Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:45:00 - [159] Originally by: Alski ~~Eos~~ ~~Ishkur~~ ~~Myrmidon~~ ~~Archon~~ ~~Chimera~~ ~~Thanatos~~ ~~Nidhoggur~~ ~~Sabre~~ ~~Flycatcher~~ ~~Eris~~ ~~Heretic~~ 11 down... how many to go CCP? Please add Arazu, Lachesis, Curse and Pilgrim to this list as well. The nerfbat that is swinging in the CCP offices atm is out of controll. Thanks a lot CCP for nerfing each and every ship in EVE that's fun to fly. Only hope is that the new E-war frigs will be fun. And I even just completed skilltraining for Heretic on one of my chars. So I could fly all kinds of dictors with my army of alts. :( I hope that this is still the crystall ball effect and a lot of the new "features" ( IE nerfs and other bull.... ) don't make it to TQ in their current form. Thanks a lot CCP :(
Xyleya KL0NKRIEGER	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:51:00 - [160] I'm flying a Sabre 75% of the time I'm into PvP. Thanks alot CCP As I'm thinking of it... well... make a hardcap on speed at around 250 m/sec for the whole game, as I'm sure this would be alot of fun slowboating through space .

Kublai Khan Caldari TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:55:00 - [161] Hmmmm.... Ive been calling out for a nerf of dictors. But nerfing their surviviability is just stupid, except maybe the sabre should have been made abit slower and flycatcher abit faster. The problem with the dictor isnt the ship, but the dictor bubble and that it is staying up so long. It shouldnt last that long, it should last more like 30 sec, and/or be made targetable. The only problem with is it that two three dictors can do the job that you needed 20 tacklers for in the past. Less duration of the bubble would let it stop a fleet there for a short amount of time to get other tacklers in on the targets (so they dont all just warp out before getting tackled). Then the 40 battleships at snipe position and 3-4 dictors on gate wont molest a same sized fleet jumping in.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:21:00 - [162] Originally by: Evengard I fly dictor 95% of time, and now i must throw away ship i trained for year, all navigation @ 5 dictor lvl 5 ??? Navi skills 5 + dictor5 surely doesnt take a year ... And except for dictor5 all navi skills work for other ships too. Dictor 5 is still useful: ccp didnt nerf lvl5 bonus afaik. Quote: For now Sabre is abit faster than Heretic (6390 vs 6233) all @ lvl 5, T2 fit, T1 polycardons. For example Crow doing 7700 And even with this speed they getting easyly hit by sniping cruisers \ BC. So after nerf, then speed drops, noone will use rigs on this flying coffins, and implants too. I will fly. So your "noone will fly" argument is moot. Also you can overheat it for 2-3 cycles to get to snipers. Or send in ceptors 1st and warp to ceptors. Also how do you think dictors were used before nano/polycarbon era? They were slow like hell and still ppl used em. So prolly you never flown em before and started using already overpowered ships. Now its good time to remember how dictors were used in 1st place and fly em accordingly. Quote: So if this going to happend i'm doing to suspend my account, and all specialists that i trained, and now they getting nerfed and fly cruiser, or Battleship... Can i have your stuff? Or at least all dictors.
Evengard Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:35:00 - [163] Originally by: Deva Blackfire I will fly. So your "noone will fly" argument is moot. Also you can overheat it for 2-3 cycles to get to snipers. Or send in ceptors 1st and warp to ceptors. 1. Read first, then reply. It was noone going to use RIGs like polycarbons on dictor. = Failed 2. Overcharge??? You will be popped before you get half way to sniper with you speed. = Failed Quote: Also how do you think dictors were used before nano/polycarbon era? I use them from moment they were added. = Failed Quote: Can i have your stuff? Or at least all dictors. Nothing smarter to say?? = Failed surely . ___________________ Recon and Intercept
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:38:00 - [164] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Also how do you think dictors were used before nano/polycarbon era? They were slow like hell and still ppl used em. So prolly you never flown em before and started using already overpowered ships. Now its good time to remember how dictors were used in 1st place and fly em accordingly. I don't fit polycarbs on my dictors already. They're simply too damn expensive. However, there's no good reason to across the board nerf dictor speed. If there is a problem with speed in Eve, make speed in Eve slower. Not dictors (and only dictors). I fail to understand why they would boost the crap out of interceptors, not nerf interceptor speed, and then nerf dictor speed. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Heretic Army	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:59:00 - [165] "I'm tired of these mother***** Snakes on this mother***** ship!!!" Seriously, if anything is too fast, it's the Snake implants, not the ship. The Sabre was too fast? Change the SABRE! Not the Eris. Not the Heretic. Not the Flycatcher. If the Vagabond is too fast, you change the Vagabond, not the Deimos, right? Then why would you ruin an entire class to make one ship less powerful. This is the first change I have truly hated since Warp to 0. --- Amarr/Caldari, and proud of it. Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:04:00 - [166] Originally by: Evengard Originally by: Deva Blackfire I will fly. So your "noone will fly" argument is moot. Also you can overheat it for 2-3 cycles to get to snipers. Or send in ceptors 1st and warp to ceptors. 1. Read first, then reply. It was noone going to use RIGs like polycarbons on dictor. = Failed 2. Overcharge??? You will be popped before you get half way to sniper with you speed. = Failed I was responding to polycarbs argument. And i will still use 300-400m/piece dictors because they can still survive long enough. 6km/s or 7,2km/s is not much difference. And if you dont know - overcharged nerfed dictor will fly 12,5% faster than one before nerf (w/o overcharge). So if you say that overcharged nerfed dictor cant reach snipers, it means you cant reach em now anyways. So nothing changes. Quote: Quote: Also how do you think dictors were used before nano/polycarbon era? I use them from moment they were added. = Failed I do the same. So if you use em from beginning you should WELL KNOW that they were slow. And still you could survive long enough to get to snipers. Quote: Can i have your stuff? Or at least all dictors. Nothing smarter to say?? = Failed surely . Because saying "fail" everytime makes your arguments look strong. NOT.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:07:00 - [167] Originally by: Bardi MecAuldnis "I'm tired of these mother***** Snakes on this mother***** ship!!!" Seriously, if anything is too fast, it's the Snake implants, not the ship. The Sabre was too fast? Change the SABRE! Not the Eris. Not the Heretic. Not the Flycatcher. If the Vagabond is too fast, you change the Vagabond, not the Deimos, right? Then why would you ruin an entire class to make one ship less powerful. This is the first change I have truly hated since Warp to 0. Wrong assumption. Heretic is as fast as sabre, and im fairly sure (didnt check) that eris can reach similiar speeds. nly one staying behind was catcher due to 1 lowslot and low base speed. Nerfing sabre speed alone would mean that it would be way slower than heretic. Now with tweaked speeds sabre is still equal to heretic (+-200m/s with speed fits). Did not check eris and catcher but i guess they should be close to others in speed now.
Blue Medusa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:25:00 - [168] Oh god the flycatcher max speed None of these crap changes would be coming down the pipe if they were not introducing new ship types. --- lol signatures
Evengard Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:34:00 - [169] According to EFT (t2 overdrives, t2 MWD, t1 polycarbons, all skills @5): Sabre (2 low) 6390 Eris (4 low) 6492 Heretic (3 low) 6233 Flycatcher (1 low) 4548 ___________________ Recon and Intercept
Havoc GunStar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:41:00 - [170] Welp, the broadsword and the other heavy interdictors better be all that and a goddamn bag of chips, because this will break interdictors for fleet warfare. There's no way you'll live long enough to sprint to an enemy fleet with this. Before it was pretty balanced, you might get there, but you'll die on the way or when you get there. Now, you'll never get there, without someone providing a warpin. What's the point of the interceptor requirement on the ship then? Some cruisers will go faster. You can't seriously say the Flycatcher needed a speed nerf

Azuse The Brotherhood Of The Blade Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:45:00 - [171] Originally by: Andreya true, but like i said, the eris is still prety useless.. but on the same note, i use all my lows for speed on my sabre and heretic (doesnt really justify the eris's speed, in know... but in a fleet battle, that little bit more still helps you do the job) Oh idk about useless, make a dam good salvager --------------------------
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:51:00 - [172] Originally by: Evengard Edited by: Evengard on 02/11/2007 20:42:42 According to EFT (t2 overdrives, t2 MWD, t1 polycarbons, all skills @5): Sabre (2 low) 6390 (1,5m) Eris (4 low) 6492 (1,75m) Heretic (3 low) 6233 (1,625m) Flycatcher (1 low) 4548 (1,9m) Problem of other dictors is that they need to use more overdrives, removing tanking (Eris \ Heretic) And catcher is too heavy (1,9m vs 1,5m for Sabre) and have only 1 low slot... And btw, i use it too, but more like multi-function platform, not like combat interdictor... What's it look like without polycarbs? And how did you edit EFT to have the new speeds.. ? And those speeds look suspiciously high anyway; you sure you did it right? Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:39:00 - [173] CCP you lost your freaken minds. - gob
Evengard Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:54:00 - [174] Originally by: Liang Nuren What's it look like without polycarbs? And how did you edit EFT to have the new speeds.. ? And those speeds look suspiciously high anyway; you sure you did it right? Liang This is TQ speed ___________________ Recon and Intercept
Mortuus Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:39:00 - [175] Yay, another now crap ship class. Buy the cheapest ones you can get, suicide to use bubble. Hell, at least you don't even need to fit guns now...or speed mods. Just have a few ceptors run in, then warp in and drop bubble..... Well, good thing I am training on my compensation skills to 5, because it looks like we're headed back towards tank or gank, not tank, gank or speed. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:40:00 - [176] Originally by: Liang Nuren However, there's no good reason to across the board nerf dictor speed. If there is a problem with speed in Eve, make speed in Eve slower. Not dictors (and only dictors). ^^^ This is the post to read read this one. ^^^ Issues of ship speed in Eve aren't about dictors, they're about the ubiquitous stacking of lowslot nanomods + snake sets + polycarbs on already fast hulls giving you a ship which is virtually impossible to hit or tackle unless the pilot is massively dumb or unlucky. Hilariously, this adds up to a powering up of the remaining speedtankers like interceptors and vagabonds by wrecking one of the few ships that could come anywhere near keeping up with them to tackle . CCP should be seriously looking at the issue of ship speeds as a whole (for example Guomindong's ideas on stasis webs) rather than rolling a dice to decide which ship gets wrecked this time around. Also, in before frantic backpedalling Dev post to tell us this was all a slip of the keyboard and no such nerf is intended. :V
Selnix Gallente Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:19:00 - [177] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Wrong assumption. Heretic is as fast as sabre, and im fairly sure (didnt check) that eris can reach similiar speeds. nly one staying behind was catcher due to 1 lowslot and low base speed. Nerfing sabre speed alone would mean that it would be way slower than heretic. Now with tweaked speeds sabre is still equal to heretic (+-200m/s with speed fits). Did not check eris and catcher but i guess they should be close to others in speed now. Deva, you shouldn't have eaten so many paint chips when you were a kid... Heretic is not as fast as a Sabre, never has been. Eris is not either. Maybe if you had read through the thread instead of just flaming or cheering for the nerf like a drunken teenager at a high school football game you might have seen my earlier post that said specifically how the speed nerf was affecting the ships currently on Sisi. Originally by: Selnix Unrigged Post-nerf Eris with Accel IV and Nav V goes 3939m/s, with a tech II speed kit. Taranis does 6211m/s. Ares does 7312m/s. Crusader does 7603m/s. Malediction does 6716m/s. Thank you for trying to prove your point using the slowest interceptor and second fastest interdictor. Regardless, the intys are still at least 30% faster than the post-nerf Eris so how is it supposed to catch, kill or even annoy them? Also with useless (fight inside of web range) ammunition, the top speed of a Heretic has been reduced to 3596m/s or roughly half the speed of the average interceptor. With ammunition that keeps you near a safer distance, that velocity is further reduced to 2252m/s or roughly 1/3 of the velocity of your average interceptor. The Flycatcher may actually be able to outrun the Heretic now if it refrains from using Precision light missiles or long range rockets. To help put all of that in perspective, a prorator (industrial) can go 3210m/s in a simple T2 speed kit. The only implant in the test was a 3% to MWD hardwiring that was in for all of the tests, thus keeping them on even ground. (didn't remember having one last mirror) Try using ammunition when you look at the speed of a ship instead of just pulling numbers or assumptions or superiority complexes out of your butt. Flycatcher and Heretic are both missile ships. The missiles/rockets that are best fitted to their role as anti-frigate vessels nerf your speed by 7.5% per launcher (6 total). Your Sabre on the other hand is kitted out with 7 tech II guns and ammunition with no such detriment to your speed.
Random Womble Minmatar Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:26:00 - [178] Selnix diffrence is sabre can barely hit outside web range while with your T2 rockets you have no worries but thats hardly the point dictors are not huge damage platforms they are there to bubble and get out occasionally take part in killings.
Leqtu niX Amarr Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:41:00 - [179] Edited by: Leqtu niX on 03/11/2007 01:41:59 Originally by: Random Womble Selnix diffrence is sabre can barely hit outside web range while with your T2 rockets you have no worries but thats hardly the point dictors are not huge damage platforms they are there to bubble and get out occasionally take part in killings. Quite a bit easier to survive at those ranges if A) you have the speed to get there in the first place or B) you have the 4 mid slots to accomodate MWD, Web, Scram AND the Medium Extender... With the Heretic you either give up your hitpoints, your scram that helps keep them tackled long enough to web, or the web itself that lets you stay in range for your short range weapons (which can not be T2 if you want to be able to keep the web and scram running due to the capacitor penalty) With the Flycatcher you'll have the range to stay away if you want to in theory, but won't have the speed to do it in practice. With the Eris you are just bent over and accosted either way with your two mid slots and bonus to capacitor hungry weapons. edit: Wrong account but he knows who it is anyhow so who gives a frak.
BAteh Amarr Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:45:00 - [180] Originally by: Snowden Vel CCP's idea of balance: making everything suck. :cripes: QFT. also, CCP's "Need for Speed Initiative" consists of making everything suck, (Amarr being the worst 95% of the time), so everyone is easy to kill, thus reducing ships in space at any given time, thus reducing lag, thus making life nice for macro miners. (you do know CCP does not do anything about petitioned MMs, right?). Last months have been a steep way down in Eve's playability. Oh, but wait, there's new ships. My kid is happy about that.



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