I have no faith in the election voting process at all.

A candidate basically has his hundreds of alliance mate votes, and their alts on top. Pretty much seals the candidates seat and we can say is pretty much rigged voting..

People in small corps/alliances even though they may have lots of eve experience, would never get voted because of this.. So thats why i guess a lot of ppl dont stand and ppl dont vote either...

I still think that CCP should be the people to effectively 'interview' candidates from all areas (null, low, empire, pvp, trade) and they choose who they think is the best person to be on the CSM. Thats pretty much the only way to ensure fairness.

There are approximately 7000 members of GSF. Let's be generous and assume that every single one of these members belongs to a seperate account which can vote

There are approximately 350,000 active accounts which can vote.

"Goons" make up a massive TWO PERCENT of the voting population.


It doesn't matter how much hysterical hurfblurf people spout out about the sneaky evil goons rigging this or controlling that (where do they get the time? ) the plain, incontestable, inconvenient, annoying fact is that they got their guy elected because they got their asses in gear, got motivated, got organised, got their members to actually vote, and as a result they got their result.

All the fancy STV schemes and reserved seats and consituencies and yadda yadda won't count for **** unless the people who are bawwing their little eyes out about MEAN OLE MITTENS cut out the slacktivism and god damb well VOTE.

The Mittani hasn't "done" anything in Eve but coordinate Ass-Hattery.

tippia gtfo out my thread, your opinion will never matter... now get out

If the Goons each had an average of just two accounts, then they would make up 4% by your own numbers. I suspect they have more than two accounts each on average. That still doesn't get to the heart of the issue of their voting power because it is more a question of how many votes can be focused on each potential CSM seat. I suspect if the Mittani coordinated his available votes more carefully, he might be able to fill all the CSM seats with Goons. Anyway your numbers are off because not all of the 350,000 number you throw around are actually active in the vote and that is what counts, so the Goons unified block vote has a disproportionate effect. This is enough to give them an "I-Win" button in the CSM every time.

And by the way Malcanis? Why do you look so constipated??

I have no faith in the election voting process at all.

A candidate basically has his hundreds of alliance mate votes, and their alts on top. Pretty much seals the candidates seat and we can say is pretty much rigged voting.

No, the reason they rarely get voted in is because they can't capture an audience or a following and try to rely on their small corps/alliances to get them in rather than to run a proper campaign. History has show as much.

The problem you describe is the primary downside of "pure" Democracy, that being

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

This is why truly representative systems tend be more a form of Republicanism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism



Yes, I agree that CCP should have a stronger hand in vetting and selecting the candidates based upon the theory that the CSM's function is to filter through ideas and opinions to CCP from various player segments of the game. As things are now, the Goons and certain Zero interests are too strongly represented.

I'm surpised that anyone other than the Goons are even in the CSM. If the Mittani coordinated and allocated his troop's votes better, he could capture all the CSM seats.

Im sorry but learn about democracy! The only thing democratic is the freedom to vote. Apart from that you votes ARE GUARANTEED! its basically FIXED!! its your own damn alliance mates voting for you, therefore its FIXED!!

What ISK faucets would that be, seeing as how all faucets are a available in all space?

My point is that the Goons are over-represented in the CSM and always will be if CSM seats are determined by simple majority voting.

The Mittani's votes are due to his position as head cheese in SomethingAwful.com and has nothing to do with his position in Eve. He has this influence in any game the Goons touch solely by reason of this fact.

The Mittani hasn't "done" anything in Eve but coordinate Ass-Hattery.

and finally, if we follow my suggestion of Republican form of representation in choosing the CSM members, both the Eve community and CCP would benefit due to a more complete voicing of player segments as a result.

The Mittani, AKA Numismancer on Something Awful, is not the "head cheese". He is not even a moderator. He is just a random guy with a registered username who happens to play EVE. By contrast, Weaselior and VIle Rat, a couple of important people in GoonWaffe, are moderators on Something Awful. By your logic shouldn't they be the CEO of GoonWaffe, or the guy giving huge speeches at the State of the Goonion, or the ones that everyone hates on the CSM?

My point is that the Goons are over-represented in the CSM and always will be if CSM seats are determined by simple majority voting.

Vile Rat is on the CSM, and I think at least most people hate him.

True, but the null dudes give **** about that they think they are beter and stuff....

Im sorry but learn about democracy! The only thing democratic is the freedom to vote. Apart from that you votes ARE GUARANTEED! its basically FIXED!! its your own damn alliance mates voting for you, therefore its FIXED!!

tippia, a long-time eve-o poster vs "WhyTry1" some nobody posting with an NPC corp alt

I wonder whose opinion is more relevant hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Lol. Goon noob tells alt noob that forum ***** noob has been around for 3 whole years.

This isn't tyranny of majority. This is 15% of game population being organized into strong blocks being guaranteed to take all CSM seats. Vast majority of players will know nothing about the candidates available and either vote randomly of just not vote. EVE was supposed to be a game and game is supposed to be fun. But CCP has given too much influence and importance to CSM causing them to actually have quite a impact on game development and balance.

nobody gives a **** about your opinion

The CSM elections work the same way elections in real life work. Yes, an every-man from nowhere can get elected but they will have a much harder time of it than someone with full political party backing who gets more media coverage.

I'm surpised that anyone other than the Goons are even in the CSM. If the Mittani coordinated and allocated his troop's votes better, he could capture all the CSM seats.