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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
431
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I don't know what to tell you miss sunshine, but you could not be further from the truth on this one. Maybe you don't know how the big alliances work? I know how the economy works, which is why I know you're hilariously wrong. If you fixed your cranirectal syndrome and paid attention, you might accidentally learn something. I highly recommend it.
You may know numbers but you are failing to account for the human element. A simpletons mistake TBH, but what can you do? You can't educate some people once they have their mind made up. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4621
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:11:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:You may know numbers but you are failing to account for the human element. The human element does not change whether or not something is a faucet or sink, nor does it give nullsec access to any mysterious ISK faucets that are not available in all sections of space. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
229
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:18:00 -
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The reason moon mining isnt an ISK faucet, is becaouse ISK isnt mined from them. Tech is. Then tech is traded for ISK.
People have to do missions or incursions or bounty stuff for that isk, then they trade it for teck to make items. Or miners mine tritanium then trade that for isk players recieved from missions and bounties and such.
To make mining or moon mining ISK faucets you would have to place NPC buy orders that you could sell what you mined to. Then they would be a ISK faucet. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
431
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You may know numbers but you are failing to account for the human element. The human element does not change whether or not something is a faucet or sink, nor does it give nullsec access to any mysterious ISK faucets that are not available in all sections of space.
In that case, no ISK is mysteriously missing from the wallets of Null Sec leaders. Right? Because, the human element can't make these things personal ISK faucets. I had painted you more Savvy then this, but I guess I was mistaken. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4621
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:29:00 -
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rodyas wrote:To make mining or moon mining ISK faucets you would have to place NPC buy orders that you could sell what you mined to. Then they would be a ISK faucet. GǪand even then, the actual faucet would be the NPC buy orders, not the mining itself.
Eternum Praetorian wrote:In that case, no ISK is mysteriously missing from the wallets of Null Sec leaders. Right? Because, the human element can't make these things personal ISK faucets. I had painted you more Savvy then this, but I guess I was mistaken. Your point being? Anyway, no matter your lack of artistry in applying pigment, the simple fact remains: the nullsec entities do not have access to any special ISK faucets that aren't available to everyone else, quite contrary to your claim. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
431
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:31:00 -
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Truth be told, there is more wealth in Null sec then anywhere else... because of the ISK "wells" they have cultivated.
There, is that better wording for you? You know damn well what I am talking about, although you choose to dilute it for your own purposes. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
308
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:33:00 -
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Nullsec will always win the CSM as they have block voting. This ofc is always the case as nullsec alliances tend to be the biggest.
And nullsec is always interested in nullsec.
If the goons get the russians behind them then its natural that the Mittans the Mighty will always win
Dont sweat it dude.
EDIT: to the OP ignore Tippia he is a Tard who has no reason to make any sense. He just likes posting regardless of content Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4621
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:34:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:There, is that better wording for you? Pointlessly complicated. Just say that it's easier to earn iSK.
Quote:You know damn well what I am talking about, although you choose to dilute it for your own purposes. When you use terms that mean something drastically different than how you use them, I'm not sure I do, and more importantly, I'm not sure you do.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
431
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:41:00 -
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Just because you choose to define a faucet as a purely In game mechanism, it does not follow that I should as well. A faucet is anything that brings forth ISK in abundance, and for me that includes things like corporate taxes and researching Titan BPO's.
Your opinion is not exclusively true throughout all of EVE Online. You may want to take that into better consideration. Most people here do not have the debating skills necessary to argue with you, so they simply accept what you say with less question then they should. That, and the average person is far too easily swayed. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:53:00 -
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Ofc Tippia is right, but that is hardly post-worthy when the thing in question is so elementary and obvious.
So Eternum rephrased that to "there is more wealth in Null sec then anywhere else". Well, is there? High sec has practically unlimited production slots, and, to a good approximation, every item in game gets produced there. You would imagine the high sec industrialists are making quite good isk compared to the paltry numbers reached by production poses in null.
Now take the big alliances individually and lets assume they don't make crazy money off tech (because only a select few with supercapital dominance do). Main source of income are usually per-member fees paid by corps, which in turn get their isk from individual ratting taxes (a thing unheard of in > 0.4). In high sec, the only comparable entity large enough (excluding EVE UNI and RvB) is the incursion runner community and we all know the numbers that are flowing there. Even the mission runners make comparable isk to null if they are doing it right, and that is without taxes, upgrade costs etc. Life for an average alliance grunt could be quite harsh if you are living outside of Deklein. So, who has more wealth at their disposal? |
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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
431
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Posted - 2012.01.29 16:09:00 -
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Cass Lie wrote:Ofc Tippia is right, but that is hardly post-worthy when the thing in question is so elementary and obvious.
So Eternum rephrased that to "there is more wealth in Null sec then anywhere else". Well, is there? High sec has practically unlimited production slots, and, to a good approximation, every item in game gets produced there. You would imagine the high sec industrialists are making quite good isk compared to the paltry numbers reached by production poses in null.
Now take the big alliances individually and lets assume they don't make crazy money off tech (because only a select few with supercapital dominance do). Main source of income are usually per-member fees paid by corps, which in turn get their isk from individual ratting taxes (a thing unheard of in > 0.4). In high sec, the only comparable entity large enough (excluding EVE UNI and RvB) is the incursion runner community and we all know the numbers that are flowing there. Even the mission runners make comparable isk to null if they are doing it right, and that is without taxes, upgrade costs etc. Life for an average alliance grunt could be quite harsh if you are living outside of Deklein. So, who has more wealth at their disposal?
We are not talking about alliance grunts though. We are talking about the top 1% of eve's population that sport the highest passive income in the game. I have been part of Titan building operations, Tech 3 production operations and Alliance-wide sovereignty taking operations.
Simply put, anyone who is anybody knows how to game empire. I guess you do not know who owns a significant share of those research and production slots and who is reaping said income? Those same individuals, in sizable portion are. High sec does not belong to Empire dwellers, but instead alts of very old players who now reside in Null Sec and those individuals that they choose to associate themselves with.
Quote:Now take the big alliances individually and lets assume they don't make crazy money off tech (because only a select few with supercapital dominance do)
Guess who has representatives in the CSM? The biggest and wealthiest alliances, which further proves the point at hand. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Nisha Valone
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.29 16:18:00 -
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Though I haven't actually taken part in any of the previous CSM elections, I highly doubt there is any rigging involved. If the goal of the CSM is to have players have a vote in the direction the game development takes with the aim of improving it and making it more appealing to its player base then rigging it would defy its very purpose.
If people like The Mittani have an easy, but not guaranteed, spot on the council it's because a vote for him is more appealing than a vote for the other candidates. This can be the case because he can draw more on internal resources such as the members of his corporation/alliance, because his ideas are more in tune with the EVE community or simply because he is better at public relations than the other candidates but that's one of the core principles of a western democratic system to begin with.
And while it is true that people with more accounts can have more votes, they also make out a larger portion of the player base either because they spend more time at EVE or because they pay more at their monthly subscriptions. Essentially this makes the election somewhat of an oligarchy, rather than a democracy but who is to say that people with a lesser impact on EVE should have an equal amount of influence in elections.
This doesn't take away the fact that a player who is more familiar with 0.0 is more suitable to represent the best interests of 0.0 while a high sec player would be better aware of high sec issues.
Instead of changing the way the votes are being cast it would be more to the point if the CSM, with its pre-determined number of spots, would be divided between those elected for the improvement of high sec and those elected for the improvement of 0.0/low sec, the division based upon a measurable variable such as system traffic.
For example if there are 10 seats on the council and 60% of the player traffic goes through high sec systems and 40% goes through 0.0 or low sec than there would be 6 members on the council representing the interests of high sec and 4 members representing the interests of 0.0 or low sec.
High sec CSM members would discuss matters of high sec, 0.0/low sec CSM members would do the same for low sec. Issues that involve the entirety of the game would be discussed by all CSM members simultaneously. Eventually the conclusions that need to be drawn from the results of these discussions should remain with CCP, deciding on wether to follow the advice, put it in a poll to the community or dismiss it altogether.
Just an idea. |
Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.01.29 16:24:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: Simply put, anyone who is anybody knows how to game empire. I guess you do not know who owns a significant share of those research and production slots and who is reaping said income? Those same individuals, in sizable portion are. High sec does not belong to Empire dwellers, but instead alts of very old players who now reside in Null Sec and those individuals that they choose to associate themselves with.
I am not that naive and I agree with you there, to an extent (a lot of people have indy alts, even the newcomers). Which is also the reason why the current CSM is pushing for more production possibilities in null and even low maybe. This would benefit not only the top alliance dogs, but it would probably (depends on implementation ofc.) make worthless regions of null (I am looking at you provi) viable again. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
45
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Posted - 2012.01.29 16:45:00 -
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Little Known CSM Factoid #4
Pressing "Abstain" does absolutely nothing, registers no opinion anywhere and will be disregarded as merely a number of number who clicked it.
Actually Abstaining but not clicking ANYTHING would be the most powerful act if everybody would actually do it. Sadly, some people quite enjoy an all expenses party in Iceland too much for that. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1021
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Posted - 2012.01.29 16:58:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Tippia wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:People in small corps/alliances even though they may have lots of eve experience, would never get voted because of this.. No, the reason they rarely get voted in is because they can't capture an audience or a following and try to rely on their small corps/alliances to get them in rather than to run a proper campaign. History has show as much. tippia gtfo out my thread, your opinion will never matter... now get out
Nice, straight to the point. +1 'Like'.
We can always hope that would happen but it's a sure bet that her 'Highness' will continuously spout her sanctimonious drivel in each and every thread posted in these forums. I sincerely think it might be due to massive amounts of hot air coming from an over inflated ego coupled with a nasty superiority complex.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
229
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Posted - 2012.01.29 17:00:00 -
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Yeah there is alot to lose by abstaining, no icelands like ya said, as well as no talking to devs and CEO about issues and such.
Almost a catch 22 really, if you dont want to talk to devs and such why play the game at all? If you abstained from election it would almost like cancelling account or close to it. No reason to talk to the people who make the game, doesnt sound like you enjoy it either. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
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Selinate
631
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Posted - 2012.01.29 17:15:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tippia wrote: what ISK faucets only the nullsec alliances have access to? HQ Sacntums + moon mining + High NPC bounties all feeding into corporate wallets and the wallets of alliance leaders. I wish the average EVE Online player wasn't so dumb as to believe crap like what your like is spewing. Anyone with an average amount of sense knows that Null Sec alliances have access to godly amounts of ISK. moon mining = no1 isk faucet If you say so.
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For once I'm cheering Tippia. You're an idiot. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
45
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Posted - 2012.01.29 17:15:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Yeah there is alot to lose by abstaining, no icelands like ya said, as well as no talking to devs and CEO about issues and such.
Almost a catch 22 really, if you dont want to talk to devs and such why play the game at all? If you abstained from election it would almost like cancelling account or close to it. No reason to talk to the people who make the game, doesnt sound like you enjoy it either.
We had more direct influence before the CSM ever existed. Threadnoughts do work, have worked and will always work. CSM does not. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
235
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Posted - 2012.01.29 17:18:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Nice, straight to the point. +1 'Like'.
We can always hope that would happen but it's a sure bet that her 'Highness' will continuously spout her sanctimonious drivel in each and every thread posted in these forums. I sincerely think it might be due to massive amounts of hot air coming from an over inflated ego coupled with a nasty superiority complex.
I like that you can't attack any of Tippia's arguments so you just settle for insults.
Although I would have to guess that someone who doesn't even know what wspace probably doesn't have much credibility to stand on in terms of game mechanics.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:So you're young to unite all those people but leave wormhole alliances out of it? So Much for that balance you proposed. W-hole Alliances? Isn't W-Hole space the same as Null Sec or 0.0 Alliance space? I might be mistaken but I thought the 'Voice Of Reason Party' was a platform for independent corps, single player PvE careers, Industrialists, RP and high sec game mechanics? If not then I better go find another party.
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P42ALPHA
DEAD-ON
35
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Posted - 2012.01.29 17:21:00 -
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I am starting to believe ppl in EVE do not even know why they are upset. This thread demostrates that far beyond anything I have seen so far.
But all 3 of my accounts will be voting for Mittens. He, unlike most ppl believe is good for the CSM. And I can tell you I disagree with much of what he says.
So that is 3 non GOON votes. Freedom at its best:P
Tears are so sweet. "All hail Wang ... the little fella in Command. When 'trouble' starts to spread, I'm sure he will rise to the occasion."
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Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
792
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Posted - 2012.01.29 17:26:00 -
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P42ALPHA wrote:I am starting to believe ppl in EVE do not even know why they are upset. This thread demostrates that far beyond anything I have seen so far.
But all 3 of my accounts will be voting for Mittens. He, unlike most ppl believe is good for the CSM. And I can tell you I disagree with much of what he says.
So that is 3 non GOON votes. Freedom at its best:P
Tears are so sweet.
That would be a waste of three good votes. You see, Mittani is going to make it automatically, and I think Vile Rat, too. If you want a unified CSM that speaks with one voice, you should vote for the non-endorsed goons like Andski or Lyris Nairn. Less opposition for Mittani means more Mittani for your votes.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4623
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Posted - 2012.01.29 17:34:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:it's a sure bet that her 'Highness' will continuously spout her sanctimonious drivel in each and every thread posted in these forums. I sincerely think it might be due to massive amounts of hot air coming from an over inflated ego coupled with a nasty superiority complex. Questioning utter nonsense and trivially disproven claims is not particularly sanctimonious, nor is it the result of some kind of superiority complex. It's simply the result of being able have a rational thought and believing that it helps if you have actual arguments if you want to drive a point.
The fact of the matter is that history has shown the OP's premise to be completely false. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
363
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Posted - 2012.01.29 17:39:00 -
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Ilany wrote:Andski wrote: tippia, a long-time eve-o poster vs "WhyTry1" some nobody posting with an NPC corp alt
I wonder whose opinion is more relevant hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Lol. Goon noob tells alt noob that forum ***** noob has been around for 3 whole years. I'm not sure that "rigging" is the right word, but I agree with the OP that the current voting system cannot create a committee that reflects the interests of the player base. In a small group each delegate ought to be representative of a large proportion of the population, not the niche interests of 3-4% of customers. That's clearly not right. However, I disagree with the idea that CCP should be in any way select candidates - that defeats the purpose. What they could do is stream them into specialised brackets (e.g. 3x 0.0 reps, 3 hi-sec/industry reps, 1 low-sec rep, 1 WH rep??) and each customer gets one vote for one person to one slot on the committee (no AV). It wouldn't stop the Goons voting Mittani into a slot, but it would allow for a bit of balance.
It's not up to the system or CCP to create the committee, it's up to you.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
229
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Posted - 2012.01.29 17:41:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:rodyas wrote:Yeah there is alot to lose by abstaining, no icelands like ya said, as well as no talking to devs and CEO about issues and such.
Almost a catch 22 really, if you dont want to talk to devs and such why play the game at all? If you abstained from election it would almost like cancelling account or close to it. No reason to talk to the people who make the game, doesnt sound like you enjoy it either. We had more direct influence before the CSM ever existed. Threadnoughts do work, have worked and will always work. CSM does not.
The best part about relying on threadnoughts to be better then the CSM is that the US supreme court ruled that threadnoughts are people too just in time for this election. What is better then a threadnought on this forum, is a threadnought that has a free flight to iceland to talk to the devs. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
363
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Posted - 2012.01.29 17:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:rodyas wrote:To make mining or moon mining ISK faucets you would have to place NPC buy orders that you could sell what you mined to. Then they would be a ISK faucet. GǪand even then, the actual faucet would be the NPC buy orders, not the mining itself. Eternum Praetorian wrote:In that case, no ISK is mysteriously missing from the wallets of Null Sec leaders. Right? Because, the human element can't make these things personal ISK faucets. I had painted you more Savvy then this, but I guess I was mistaken. Your point being? Anyway, no matter your lack of artistry in applying pigment, the simple fact remains: the nullsec entities do not have access to any special ISK faucets that aren't available to everyone else, quite contrary to your claim. You can try to move the goalposts as much as you like GÇö you being plain old wrong doesn't change.
As a null sec entity, we actually have more sinks than empire.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.29 18:01:00 -
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Well I think I'm living proof its possible for an independent from a small corp/alliance to win the CSM elections. I was the first chair of the CSM defeating Darius Johnson of Goonswarm and Hardin of the CVA who both had huge alliance blocs behind them simply by running a high profile campaign and doing a lot of hard work on the campaign trail (and having an excellent team behind me).
So it is possible.
But that said, I do think its got harder for independent candidates recently to compete with the alliance blocs and there has been some evidence of "rigging" (4 hour trial accounts etc) I guess "exploiting weaknesses in the voting system" might be closer to the mark since what Goonswarm did last time is the virtual equivilence of lorry driving in homeless people from another state and registering them to vote for a particular candidate in exchange for a bottle of hooch to play havoc with the ordinary voting demographics.
This is pretty easy to fix. Trial accounts don't get a vote. I'd be inclined to say that there should be a minimum age of character that should vote too. Maybe 1 month. It won't entirely solve election manipulation but it'll help.
But the bigger issue is that 0.0 alliance blocs will always find it easier to pressgang their members into voting than the vast unwashed hoards of highsec. And in a system where minority actually vote you get fringe mentalist candidates dominating the story.
I think CCP need to take a leaf from Australia's voting system and make voting mandatory for every eve player who is on a full account and has existed for one month. During the voting period you get a pop up on the launcher that prompts you to cast a vote. CCP already has the ability to randomize the order of candidates on the voting page - so no alphabetic favouritism and let the candidates stand on their message. (abstain should be an option of course)
In exchange for the inconvenience a six pack of quafe zero arrives in the hanger of the person who just voted.
Everyone wins, democracy triumphs - no more CSM chairs with complete dominance of the council voted by a tiny fraction of the player base.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
235
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Posted - 2012.01.29 18:08:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Well I think I'm living proof its possible for an independent from a small corp/alliance to win the CSM elections. I was the first chair of the CSM defeating Darius Johnson of Goonswarm and Hardin of the CVA who both had huge alliance blocs behind them simply by running a high profile campaign and doing a lot of hard work on the campaign trail (and having an excellent team behind me).
So it is possible.
But that said, I do think its got harder for independent candidates recently to compete with the alliance blocs and there has been some evidence of "rigging" (4 hour trial accounts etc) I guess "exploiting weaknesses in the voting system" might be closer to the mark since what Goonswarm did last time is the virtual equivilence of lorry driving in homeless people from another state and registering them to vote for a particular candidate in exchange for a bottle of hooch to play havoc with the ordinary voting demographics.
This is pretty easy to fix. Trial accounts don't get a vote. I'd be inclined to say that there should be a minimum age of character that should vote too. Maybe 1 month. It won't entirely solve election manipulation but it'll help.
But the bigger issue is that 0.0 alliance blocs will always find it easier to pressgang their members into voting than the vast unwashed hoards of highsec. And in a system where minority actually vote you get fringe mentalist candidates dominating the story.
I think CCP need to take a leaf from Australia's voting system and make voting mandatory for every eve player who is on a full account and has existed for one month. During the voting period you get a pop up on the launcher that prompts you to cast a vote. CCP already has the ability to randomize the order of candidates on the voting page - so no alphabetic favouritism and let the candidates stand on their message. (abstain should be an option of course)
In exchange for the inconvenience a six pack of quafe zero arrives in the hanger of the person who just voted.
Everyone wins, democracy triumphs - no more CSM chairs with complete dominance of the council voted by a tiny fraction of the player base.
Here's how it will go down:
Player: What the hell is this ****? Since I just want to play, and I don't really care about this ****, I'm picking this one because of :boobs: in the portrait. Or the one with green lipstick and yellow eye shadow because :lol:.
In the end you have a CSM that isn't vetted by the players interested enough in having a stake in the CSM. Mandatory voting blows. Sorry Australia.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4623
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Posted - 2012.01.29 18:11:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Everyone wins, democracy triumphs - no more CSM chairs with complete dominance of the council voted by a tiny fraction of the player base. More likely, it will be a complete dominance of the council voted by the same tiny fraction, now bumped higher by the random noise added by people who still don't care about their vote and who will just put their name down for whomever. vOv GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1218
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Posted - 2012.01.29 18:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Everyone wins, democracy triumphs - no more CSM chairs with complete dominance of the council voted by a tiny fraction of the player base. More likely, it will be a complete dominance of the council voted by the same tiny fraction, now bumped higher by the random noise added by people who still don't care about their vote and who will just put their name down for whomever. vOv
Well if that still happens then at least the players can''t complain they are being robbed by 0.0 voting blocs any longer can they?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4623
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Posted - 2012.01.29 18:20:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Well if that still happens then at least the players can''t complain they are being robbed by 0.0 voting blocs any longer can they? WellGǪ they can (and probably will), but yes, it would take the edge off of that already largely pointless argument.
Mandatory voting just artificially increases the participation number GÇö it does very little for actual engagement. Probably even less so if it's done as an interruption of what's supposed to be an entertaining activity. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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