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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.30 16:48:00 -
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Roime wrote:Some observations of all these similar CSM threads:
- anti-CSM claims are always presented without any evidence - constructive posts with references to evidence, such as CSM minute meetings, Crucible etc are disregarded - personal, subjective opinions about certain alliances are presented as "common opinion"
According to these people nulllsec is an evil, monolithic bloc with free ISK raining from the skies, full of veterans who have used their 5+ years or game time and 6 accounts solely in the purpose of griefing hisec noobs and destroying EVE.
Also, Mittani is really Putin and just bought sisilian mafia and Exxon with RMT botting money.
I wish Mittani was Putin. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4664
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:05:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:He rarely agrees with anything Incorrect. I agree with plenty of things provided that they back up their claims and assertions with actual facts, reasoning, and arguments. Most of my GÇ£disagreeingGÇ¥ with people is simply me not buying their claims at face value and asking for something to back those claims up. Whenever this very reasonable request is met by being called a troll or by random abuse, the suspicion grows that the claim is just bullshit and that whatever the poster wants done is probably not for the better. Hell, I've ended up GÇ£disagreeingGÇ¥ with people taking a position I support, simply because their reasoning is so completely lack-lustre or nonsensical.
Now, I know that asking for things like reasoning or a proper argument simply infuriates trolls because it completely ruins their MO and exposes them in very short order, but that's just an added benefitGǪ
Quote:GǪand must have a constant sore throat due to the constant deep throating of goons. Nah. The thing about the goons is that, while they're a bunch of gits, they're at least a bunch of honest gits who have no compunction about being gits. You know exactly where they stand. Also, as it happens, they have a pretty good grasp of how EVE actually works, unlike many others (it's what draw them to the game, in a way).
Quote:His opinion to me is worthless, and quite frankly i just skip past anything he posts. That would be alright if you actually did it. Since you don't, and instead just get nasty and dismissive (and end up hurting your own argumentation), it's not alright. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Kietay Ayari
Rogue Elements.
320
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Posted - 2012.01.30 17:52:00 -
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An election is rigged because the person with the most votes won. Amazing. Ferox #1 |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:He rarely agrees with anything Incorrect. I agree with plenty of things provided that they back up their claims and assertions with actual facts, reasoning, and arguments. Most of my GǣdisagreeingGǥ with people is simply me not buying their claims at face value and asking for something to back those claims up. Whenever this very reasonable request is met by being called a troll or by random abuse, the suspicion grows that the claim is just bullshit and that whatever the poster wants done is probably not for the better. Hell, I've ended up GǣdisagreeingGǥ with people taking a position I support, simply because their reasoning is so completely lack-lustre or nonsensical. Now, I know that asking for things like reasoning or a proper argument simply infuriates trolls because it completely ruins their MO and exposes them in very short order, but that's just an added benefitGǪ Quote:GǪand must have a constant sore throat due to the constant deep throating of goons. Nah. The thing about the goons is that, while they're a bunch of gits, they're at least a bunch of honest gits who have no compunction about being gits. You know exactly where they stand. Also, as it happens, they have a pretty good grasp of how EVE actually works, unlike many others (it's what draw them to the game, in a way). Quote:His opinion to me is worthless, and quite frankly i just skip past anything he posts. That would be alright if you actually did it. Since you don't, and instead just get nasty and dismissive (and end up hurting your own argumentation), it's not alright.
pot calling kettle black....comes to mind.. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
995
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:42:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:I have no faith in the election voting process at all.
A candidate basically has his hundreds of alliance mate votes, and their alts on top. Pretty much seals the candidates seat and we can say is pretty much rigged voting..
People in small corps/alliances even though they may have lots of eve experience, would never get voted because of this.. So thats why i guess a lot of ppl dont stand and ppl dont vote either...
I still think that CCP should be the people to effectively 'interview' candidates from all areas (null, low, empire, pvp, trade) and they choose who they think is the best person to be on the CSM. Thats pretty much the only way to ensure fairness. I would say having one representative for each of those areas and no chairman would be the way to go but still leave the voting up to the players. Allow one vote per player overall so that one alliance can't control it all either. Whoever gets the most votes in each category is that years CSM for that category. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
23
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Posted - 2012.01.30 19:53:00 -
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Its funny thru he is right about Tippia
SO basicly you guys are saying CCP themselves are selling that Isk and Super caps on RMT sites... Well thats good to know... I mean there are no bots in 0.0 Dotlan lies..... |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.30 20:42:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Great, you know where there are Bots in Empire. Fantastic. How is that evidence of bots in nullsec? There's a massive trade hub in empire where enemies trade with each other freely. Is that evidence that there is a massive trade hub in Null where enemies trade with each other freely?
Unimaginable stupidity on such a scale, that you can only be doing this on purpose. Congratulations, Mr red legion guy. Here is another ad hominem for you, "ridiculous statements like this means that you are no longer worth my time". Your careful manipulation of logic hurts my brain. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.30 22:43:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote: Did you know that ice cream sales are positively correlated with violent crimes in the United States? Clearly purchasing ice cream inclines one to murder.
E.g., Studies have demonstrated that rates of violent crime go up as the sale of ice cream also increases. This is a positive correlation, but should we conclude that eating ice cream causes people to get violent and commit crime?... (This could really simplify the Crime Bill!)
Well, as it turns out, this positive correlation is explained by a third variable that's not so apparent at first... That is, if we take a closer look, we see that warm weather will lead to more ice cream being sold, but it will also lead more people to be out in public places and thus increase the opportunity for violent crime to occur...
& News Flash: Botting and RMT are prolific in all major MMO's, EVE included.
You're not still perturbed that I called you out on like farming are you? Tisk.. tisk... Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Selinate
638
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Posted - 2012.01.30 23:15:00 -
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This praetorium fellow apparently is STILL butthurt over being proven wrong. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
232
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Posted - 2012.01.30 23:52:00 -
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Botting and RMT are found on all MMOs including EVE. Its just that some people are more angry towards bots and some are less angry towards them.
Honestly I only care really when they are about to take the roid or so I was gonna go for, then its time to pull the plug on them. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.30 23:52:00 -
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Selinate wrote:This praetorium fellow apparently is STILL butthurt over being proven wrong.
You really like that word, I take it you have some RL experience?
My stance is that Bots and RMT pervade all modern MMO's including eve. If you are suggesting otherwise, then I suggest that you present some solid evidence in order to prove your point. Else your words are just dust and air. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4664
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Posted - 2012.01.30 23:58:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:My stance is that Bots and RMT pervade all modern MMO's including eve. If you are suggesting otherwise, then I suggest that you present some solid evidence in order to prove your point. Else your words are just dust and air. No-one is suggesting otherwise. What people are suggesting is that your inferences and assertions have levels of detail and certainty that is not supported by the data you're able to bring to the table. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:My stance is that Bots and RMT pervade all modern MMO's including eve. If you are suggesting otherwise, then I suggest that you present some solid evidence in order to prove your point. Else your words are just dust and air. No-one is suggesting otherwise. What people are suggesting is that your inferences and assertions have levels of detail and certainty that is not supported by the data you're able to bring to the table.
And yet, my inferences and assertion are based upon readily available information present all over the internet. So what are you smoking this evening Tippa? I am "inferring" and "asserting" that all MMO's have this issue to a substantial degree, and so does eve online. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4665
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:20:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:And yet, my inferences and assertion are based upon readily available information present all over the internet. GǪwhich don't support the level of detail you're claiming.
Quote:I am "inferring" and "asserting" that all MMO's have this issue to a substantial degree, and so does eve online. GǪand you're also making detailed claims about who does what where and about who else has detailed knowledge about this, none of which can be inferred from or asserted on the basis on the information presented. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
282
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:22:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:I wish Mittani was Putin. As effective as Mittani is at being CSM chairman he's kind of a total dork. Putin is way cooler. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:And yet, my inferences and assertion are based upon readily available information present all over the internet. GǪwhich don't support the level of detail you're claiming.
All I can say is work your little fingers across your keyboard. Most other people can navigate google better then you are claiming to be able to. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4665
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:24:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Most other people can navigate google better then you are claiming to be able to. I don't navigate google, no GÇö I use it to search. This is something you obviously can't do. Otherwise, you wouldn't have such problems providing proof for your assertions (generously assuming, of course, that you're not just making **** up and are desperately trying to hide this fact). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Most other people can navigate google better then you are claiming to be able to. I don't navigate google, no GÇö I use it to search. This is something you obviously can't do. Otherwise, you wouldn't have such problems providing proof for your assertions (generously assuming, of course, that you're not just making **** up and are desperately trying to hide this fact).
Weak. So very weak.
Not your best retort, Tippa. Srsly. Are you trying to say that you can't find definitive information regarding RMT and Botting proliferation in all major mmo's with only a basic google search? Because that is what it sounds like you are claiming here? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4666
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:35:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Are you trying to say that you can't find definitive information regarding RMT and Botting proliferation in all major mmo's with only a basic google search? Because that is what it sounds like you are claiming here? No, I'm saying that you can't find anything that lets you make the kind of detailed statements about who does what where that you have done in this thread.
I'm saying this because, in spite of people asking you to repeatedly, you have completely failed to produce any such information, instead relying on sweeping and general statements that, by their very nature, make such specificity impossible.
No matter how many straw men you draw up; how much you try to move to goal posts; how many red herrings you try to throw our way, this simple fact hasn't changed: you are unable to produce the information needed to make your assertions. I don't have to search for anything because I'm not making the kinds of claims you are. The burden of proof is on you, and you utterly fail to fulfil this requirement.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No matter how many straw men you draw up; how much you try to move to goal posts; how many red herrings you try to throw our way, this simple fact hasn't changed: you are unable to produce the information needed to make your assertions. I don't have to search for anything because I'm not making the kinds of claims you are. The burden of proof is on you, and you utterly fail to fulfil this requirement.
If the proof is freaking everywhere, to the point where no amount of hot linking is going to suffice. If you cannot be arsed to type a basic string of words into google, then you are either an imbecile, or more likely, angry about being on the losing side of a debate. You CANNOT make a reasonable stance against 1. RMT and botting is currently prevalent in all MMO's including EVE and 2. That the internet is full of as much evidence as a person could ever want, if only they type a few words into the search engine and read.
Your ego gets in the way, and so you continue to argue your ridiculous vantage point, just for the sake of arguing. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4666
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:46:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:If the proof is freaking everywhere GǪyou should have no problem providing it. So why can't you? Again, you are making the claim GÇö the burden of proof is on you, not on anyone else. Trying to shift that burden to others and using straw man arguments does not help you in any way.
Look, it's quite simple: all you have to do to win walk away without looking completely silly is to admit to the simple truth that you pulled quite a few of your previous assertions straight from your ass, and that you can, at best, only make very general claims about the state of RMT in EVE. You could also make some (weak) argument about how much of this is tied to botting, but as long as you acknowledge the weakness of the link, that's just fine GÇö epistemological awareness is a good thing, even if it highlights such weaknesses. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Selinate
638
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:If the proof is freaking everywhere GǪyou should have no problem providing it. So why can't you? Again, you are making the claim GÇö the burden of proof is on you, not on anyone else. Trying to shift that burden to others and using straw man arguments does not help you in any way. Look, it's quite simple: all you have to do to win walk away without looking completely silly is to admit to the simple truth that you pulled quite a few of your previous assertions straight from your ass, and that you can, at best, only make very general claims about the state of RMT in EVE. You could also make some (weak) argument about how much of this is tied to botting, but as long as you acknowledge the weakness of the link, that's just fine GÇö epistemological awareness is a good thing, even if it highlights such weaknesses.
The floor. It is mopped with Eternal idiotorian. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Look, it's quite simple: all you have to do to win walk away without looking completely silly is to admit to the simple truth that.....
That RMT and Bots are not currently prolific in all MMO's and it is not all over the internet? Srsly? Sorry bud, but I am not about to do that. Why are you even arguing this? Do you have something at stake? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:54:00 -
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Selinate wrote: The floor. It is mopped with Eternal idiotorian.
Only if you agree that RMT and Bots are not currently prolific in all MMO's and that the information is not readily available all over the internet. If you can prove that I happily will concede defeat and use my head as a toilet brush. So lets have that evidence to the contrary?
Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Selinate
638
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:55:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Selinate wrote: The floor. It is mopped with Eternal idiotorian.
I don't have evidence, but you don't have any evidence either, ergo I must be correct!
Oh the stupidity! |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:58:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Selinate wrote: The floor. It is mopped with Eternal idiotorian.
I don't have evidence, but you don't have any evidence either, ergo I must be correct! Oh the stupidity!
**** that noise baby, that is not what I said. You sound like your getting fairly butthurt at this point I hope your having fun because I sure am Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4666
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Posted - 2012.01.31 00:58:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tippia wrote:Look, it's quite simple: all you have to do to walk away without looking completely silly is to admit to the simple truth that you pulled quite a few of your previous assertions straight from your ass, and that you can, at best, only make very general claims about the state of RMT in EVE. You could also make some (weak) argument about how much of this is tied to botting, but as long as you acknowledge the weakness of the link, that's just fine GÇö epistemological awareness is a good thing, even if it highlights such weaknesses. Fixed. Nice straw man; no dice.
If you're going to reinterpret a piece of text, it really helps if you don't have the part you fail to quote properly right above your own post.
If you don't want to make this concession, even after I helped you, then that's your problem GÇö now we all know with certainty that you fabricate stuff to suit your purposes, which puts the rest of your claims (no matter how easily searched they may be) into question.
Quote:Srsly? Sorry bud, but I am not about to do that. Why are you even arguing this? I'm not. You are the only one making that claim and making an argument about it, which coincidentally contradicts your other claims.
Quote:So lets have that evidence to the contrary No evidence to the contrary is needed because 1) you have failed to provide any evidence that needs to be disproved, and 2) you are the only one making the contrary assertion, which means that the burden of proof for both sides now falls on you. Good job.
(Just a friendly tip: this is what happens when you employ straw men with such reckless abandon as you do GÇö you end up having to argue against yourself and/or admit that your argumentation is completely fallacious.) GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Selinate
638
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Posted - 2012.01.31 01:02:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Selinate wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Selinate wrote: The floor. It is mopped with Eternal idiotorian.
I don't have evidence, but you don't have any evidence either, ergo I must be correct! Oh the stupidity! **** that noise baby, that is not what I said. You sound like your getting fairly butthurt at this point I hope your having fun because I sure am
"You sure like to use that butthurt meme for some reason"
*uses butthurt meme*
*pathetic attempt at trolling*
*pathetic attempt to flame*
*pathetic attempt at posting seriously*
I have found a pattern!
Just quit while you're behind. |
Eternum Praetorian
Black Ops Trade Group
435
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Posted - 2012.01.31 01:03:00 -
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Keep running around this merry go round Tippa, the more you argue against the orgy of proof at the tip of everyone fingers, readily available to all, regarding MMO's RMT and botting, the less respect I have for you abilities as a debater.
I did have some prior to this, but under just a little scrutiny and resistance you seem to melt at fairly low temperatures. So not so much anymore. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Ronald Ray Gun
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.31 01:05:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Ronald Ray Gun wrote:WhyTry1 wrote: He rarely agrees with anything, and must have a constant sore throat due to the constant deep throating of goons..
His opinion to me is worthless, and quite frankly i just skip past anything he posts.
Is this alright by you?
I am not here to get friends ( i have many RL ones, I dont need virtual pixel ones) and people to agree with me, this is my opinion, if people dont agree with it then that is their choice.
And you respond to people who don't agree with you by making personal attacks/cheap sexual gags or ignoring them completely. Obviously the concept of a discussion has been lost on you. Why don't you try debating with all the people who are in your thread telling you how stupid you are? Awww cry moar What's the matter. Lost an argument? Made yourself look silly in front of hundreds of people? Can't find anyone who will subscribe to your brand of paranoia and defeatist attitude? Why not make yourself feel better by imagining that another person cares about something you wrote on the forum?
Tears of laughter as you struggle to come to terms with what a democracy is and formulate a coherent argument. I'll be laughing even harder when Goons are elected to the CSM. |
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