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Steel Tigeress
Gallente
Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2008.07.04 22:07:00 -
[631]
201 in support of removal +/-2% or so.
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Cosy
Porandor
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Posted - 2008.07.04 22:26:00 -
[632]
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Katyayani Koriau
Amarr
First Caldari Regiment
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Posted - 2008.07.05 01:03:00 -
[633]
 Originally by: Steel Tigeress
201 in support of removal +/-2% or so.
is enounght 2 remove already. CCP time for Jade to be fired!
Caldar Military 4evah!!!!!!  
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D'ceet
Shadows of the Dead
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.05 03:16:00 -
[634]
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Shikoh
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Posted - 2008.07.05 12:06:00 -
[635]
aye, reason: misuse of given power and childish behavior
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Tzujeih
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.05 17:50:00 -
[636]
I don't have to support this. Just look at this thread. He is so gone next round.
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Tenebrious
Quantum Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.06 07:30:00 -
[637]
I can't believe somebody like this is representing the community. Fix it.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.07.06 09:23:00 -
[638]
I think it's interesting how Jade got the most votes. But also had the largest thread made about him 
Mind you, we had a vote during the last day of CSM meetings. Everybody supported that Jade stays as chairman. I'm fairly happy about that.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.07.06 09:57:00 -
[639]
I disagree with removal.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.06 19:04:00 -
[640]
CCP, please moderate this thread.
I do not understand why this thread has not been locked. The proposal cannot be implemented, whatever problem there was has been remedied and the proposal was an over the top reaction in the first place. Generally I'm a critic of goonswarm and Darius in particular, but even I didn't call for Darius's removal unless he continued his misbehaviour. He hasn't and as a result I haven't.
This thread serves no constructive purpose and only exists to attempt to grief the chair of the CSM and even in that fails pathetically. It has no place in the Assembly Hall and if it deserves any continued existence it should be in the Jita Park Speakers Corner as it is more opinion than a proposal.
Best regards,
Windjammer
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.06 20:14:00 -
[641]
If this counsil is to be taken seriously, then you have to remove the people that are nothing more than a joke.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.06 20:56:00 -
[642]
Originally by: Windjammer
CCP, please moderate this thread.
I do not understand why this thread has not been locked. The proposal cannot be implemented, whatever problem there was has been remedied and the proposal was an over the top reaction in the first place. Generally I'm a critic of goonswarm and Darius in particular, but even I didn't call for Darius's removal unless he continued his misbehaviour. He hasn't and as a result I haven't.
This thread serves no constructive purpose and only exists to attempt to grief the chair of the CSM and even in that fails pathetically. It has no place in the Assembly Hall and if it deserves any continued existence it should be in the Jita Park Speakers Corner as it is more opinion than a proposal.
Best regards,
Windjammer
Well said.
Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
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Allaria Kriss
Minmatar
Elipse Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 08:19:00 -
[643]
I don't believe this thread is still going. I stopped caring about the issue a long time ago, once I realized that this first meeting is a test. If the CSM can survive with Jade in charge, it can survive just about anything. So, while I still despise almost every little hypocritical thing Jade does in EVE, I still see this as a very interesting sociological test for the CSM body. I hope it survives. Rock on.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.07.18 20:18:00 -
[644]
Remove Jade... she's a bad role model.
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Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Mamba Lev
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.19 08:57:00 -
[645]
Signed
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Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.19 15:19:00 -
[646]
I could make a mint selling peanuts to this shower.
Grow up ffs.
/em wades through the knee-deep sea of spat dummies, out of the thread.
http://ultravixen.co.uk/ |
Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.19 16:08:00 -
[647]
I didn't vote for Jade, because I know what he's really like, and I know that he, like the rest of the CSM, really have no authority, and if he really is disliked so much for being who he is, he won't be elected again, ever, unless people forget what he's like.
That said, CCP should bar most of the current CSM from ever running agin after seeing them, during the NH discussion, actually say they agreed not to bring up things like ship balance. That right there should be grounds for immediate removal. You don't get to say 'oh well we will ignore x and y', you are there to voice our concerns, and you ignored one with a lot of support.
Burn all of you that took that cowardly stance, you're disgraces to the players that voted for you.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.19 16:39:00 -
[648]
Signed. Not only because of those actions listed, which I hadn't heard about as I don't really care about CSM enough to read the stuff, but because I don't like Jade in general and think he/she is a carebear.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.07.19 19:34:00 -
[649]
I think the most amusing part of this... Jade still doesn't realize he and all other CMS's are supposed to represent the players, NOT themselves. It's turned into an arrogant chestpopping position, that resembles the likes of a corrupt city council board. They'll agree to push objectives in which they only agree with, and not what the community sees. Turning Eve into Jade Online, and thinking he has the power to shut up the people.
Surprise Jade... you're just another one of us. The difference is, you get to speak for us, but you don't. You speak for yourself and your own selfish agenda. You fail us, you fail CCP, and you fail at your job.
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Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2008.07.23 05:07:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
I think the most amusing part of this... Jade still doesn't realize he and all other CMS's are supposed to represent the players, NOT themselves. It's turned into an arrogant chestpopping position, that resembles the likes of a corrupt city council board. They'll agree to push objectives in which they only agree with, and not what the community sees. Turning Eve into Jade Online, and thinking he has the power to shut up the people.
Surprise Jade... you're just another one of us. The difference is, you get to speak for us, but you don't. You speak for yourself and your own selfish agenda. You fail us, you fail CCP, and you fail at your job.
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Hitachi Morimoto
Gallente
Synthetic Light Mining Corps.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 05:25:00 -
[651]
You know, this made me wonder if this was the reason the CSM failed the first time.
:):):):):):):):):):):)
Newsflash! The eve gate is made of delicious cheese! |
Xyzibit
Caldari
New-Roots
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Posted - 2008.07.23 05:39:00 -
[652]
NOT supported... there was a vote for the CSM! next time vote different but nope this is not the way...
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Stab Wounds
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Posted - 2008.07.23 10:49:00 -
[653]
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cytomatrix
Carebear Killers Inc.
Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.07.23 13:55:00 -
[654]
I support this idea. She should be removed from the whole CSM.
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Lucai
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.23 14:13:00 -
[655]
Edited by: Lucai on 23/07/2008 14:14:45
Democracy doesnt seem to be a well known concept in this thread
1) People voted Jade into the CSM position. If you dont agree, vote differently, there is nothing else you can do, and there shouldnt be anything. People voted Jade, and thats it for this term.
2) You do realize that democracy doesnt work like: Someone gets voted and then represents your interest.
What actually happens is:
People state their agenda to get voted, and if they get voted, in the ideal case they support this agenda.
At no point they have to turn around and support anything else or even things people that didnt vote them want.
They may try to do that to get voted again next time, but regarding one term its simple:
Person A has a personal agenda, person A gets voted to support that agenda, person A works to make that personal agenda come true.
Its a miracle how so many people are seemingly so naive regarding democracy.
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Lucai
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.23 14:26:00 -
[656]
Edited by: Lucai on 23/07/2008 14:26:41
Just found this, thanks@Inanna.
People should probably read it before looking stupid in here.
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Molpadia Devaux
Excessive Intoxication
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Posted - 2008.07.23 19:31:00 -
[657]
When I started reading this thread I was neutral. I have however come to the conclusion that the position of chairperson as currently administered is impeding the work that could be accomplished.
My stepfather was the town moderator in a small New England town, for many years. For those unfamiliar with the forum, a traditional Town Meeting is a Pure Democracy. The various committees and boards make proposals for local laws, budgets and the like, also citizens can propose articles for a vote at the Town Meeting. At the appointed time, all registered voters are welcome to attend the meeting and vote on every article.
The moderators job is to keep the meeting flowing, maintain order, and allow for full discussion, pro and con on all items. The key to acheiving this is Roberts Rules of Order. This assures one topic at a time is on the floor, and discussion is restricted to the item in question. And all arguments that have reasonable bearing on the item are allowed.
Now my step dad was good, our meetings stayed pretty much on topic and I never recall anyone having an opinion to express being denied an opportunity to speak. Hitting a mute button seems a failure in leadership.
My personal experience involved establishing small civic organizations. Having been elected chair, My first suggestion was to establish some rules; rule #1, we would follow Roberts Rules of Order. Rule # 2 The chair could suspend Roberts, Rule #3, The chair could invoke Roberts at any time.
This gave us a firm foundation in established rules, and also the flexability to be less formal if we so choose. Rule #1 for Rules and budget meetings, Rule# 2 for most others.It worked very well. part of it may be my upbringing. When it comes to free speach I firmly believe in the saying " I disagree with everything you are saying, but will defend to the death, your right to say it."
This is the attitude needed if a chair is to be effective. The chair should only vote to break a tie ( or create one ); they need to be as neutral in all matters before the committe as humanly possible,and they need to hear all valid arguments pro and con.
I do not want as chair, someone with the power to prevent my representitive from voting ( I did not vote for any of the people mentioned in this discussion, but the one I did vote for, is on the council.) If the actions of the chair invalidate the vote of my rep, then I am disenfranchised. Actions like this will doom this adventure to failure.
The responses posted by Jade in this thread lead me to honestly question if he has the maturity required to lead this endeavor. A better way need to be implace to prevent a total collapse of this experiment.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.23 20:21:00 -
[658]
Dr. Jim Boren said it best.
"Bureaucracy is the epoxy that greases the wheels of progress."
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Pwett
CEO, Founder, & Executor
<Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Azzma
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.07.23 23:26:00 -
[659]
I dont like how we have a creepy grown man who roleplays as a girl named jade representing eve.
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Damion Zyne
Des Esseintes Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.24 09:52:00 -
[660]
Edited by: Damion Zyne on 24/07/2008 09:56:34
Haha, you guys are still going on about it ??? Isnt the term ending soon anyway ???
Originally by: Azzma
I dont like how we have a creepy grown man who roleplays as a girl named jade representing eve.
I dont like how we have a creepy grown man who roleplays as a amarr / slaver / ugly guy with a hood named Azzma makes Eve players look dumb.
Do you quit now ?
Edit: I kind of feel sorry for bumping it up again, but this thread is like a car accident. Its horrible and you still keep watching.
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