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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.18 23:19:00 -
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 Originally by: FORD ESC0RT
had entire fleet of ships trying to catch a nano typhoon with smartbombs. he killed off half our fleet and ran away.
That's exactly what I'm saying. There is absolutely NO WAY to counter this CCP!!! We all chased him and webbed him and then got within 5.5km of him. I know webs go to 10km (13km t2 + heat) but we had to get like real close and stuff, cause you know we're excited.
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.18 23:20:00 -
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quite frankly i'm disappointed that CCP would make a ship/combat type that even a 20 man t1 frigate gang couldn't counter.
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Miss Stella
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Posted - 2008.06.19 00:27:00 -
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Like I said.. flame flame flame... you cant even hold a valid arguement besides flame. Stop with the sarcasm, im sure somebody as well spoken and educated as you can come up with a response that doesn't contain 10 year old counterstrike disses.
Euriti, why must you continue to post? a hacs role is not to be nanoed. Stop trying to build yourself up. You are too inexperienced when it comes to your kills to tell somebody they dont know what they are doing.. Why dont you tell everyone here exactly why nanos are fair, why they shouldnt be nerfed, and how they can be KILLED ,not detered by 1 ship.
Shut up with the caldari thing already. I am not caldari, and have nothing to do with their whining. YES THEY ARE BAD! SHUT UP. Your like a 90 year old with alzheimers telling the same ****en joke over and over. Do you think Bill Cosby is funny?
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Katashi Ishizuka
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2008.06.19 00:35:00 -
[334]
I only hate nano-ing because they make blasters f'ing worthless.
Good thing I trained for the Ishtar.
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Spineker
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.19 00:48:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Caelum Dominus
Originally by: Ulstan
So, you do think they're terrible in PvP then. Why is that? And why would a fleet of caldari ships not include any of their signature battlecruisers? I can't think of any reason other than that the battlecruiser in question is in need of some serious PvP help.
Caldari Pilots fly missile ships. If missile ships cannot combat nano ships, then it's time to adjust missiles.
Or hey, if you think it's fine for one combat system to not harm nanos, let's switch thing up and make missiles good at combating nanos and turrets useless at it.
What? No. I don't think Drakes are terrible for PvP. I think they're terrible when they're put up against nano ships, which is exactly what my post says. Contrary to popular belief, reading through the post you're responding to tends to prove worthwhile.
Caldari blobs aren't failing to combat speed-tanked ships because your weapon of choice are missiles. You're failing because you're not organized.
We are not failing it is just a fact that nano's sit 150k off the gate and kill at will because missiles will not reach you since you can outrun most of them and you just run away like yellar-nanos always do.
They are broken. It is not a weapon of choice really because I am most guns but Caldari ships require missiles in many if not the majority of cases.
When a ship can outrun a missile it is broken unless it is a inty which was designed to go at these pathetically stupid speeds.
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Spineker
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.19 00:50:00 -
[336]
Originally by: Katashi I****uka
I only hate nano-ing because they make blasters f'ing worthless.
Good thing I trained for the Ishtar.
I trained up my blasters in the last year but what point are they? They are worthless I agree.
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Spineker
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.19 00:55:00 -
[337]
CCP knows these ships are out of line and broken. I am sure they don't want to **** off a group of their customers I understand that. They are here to make money period that is why they exist they just happen to have a cool way of making money and honest.
However people who fight all the time know also that Nano ships are out of line and too much and when those many start complaining something will be done.
We are not trying to destroy your fun at all we just want a level playing field. A 4000+++ m/s Cruiser sized ship is not a level playing field. Dying without a lock is not level nor fun you really have to put yourself into the othersides position. At least with EWAR your buddy can help with nano's forget it.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.19 02:05:00 -
[338]
Originally by: Spineker
We are not failing it is just a fact that nano's sit 150k off the gate and kill at will because missiles will not reach you since you can outrun most of them and you just run away like yellar-nanos always do.
They are broken. It is not a weapon of choice really because I am most guns but Caldari ships require missiles in many if not the majority of cases.
When a ship can outrun a missile it is broken unless it is a inty which was designed to go at these pathetically stupid speeds.
If they're actually hitting you at 150km, odds are the only "nano" modules they have fitted are MWDs.
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.19 04:05:00 -
[339]
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Euriti
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.19 06:27:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Miss Stella
Like I said.. flame flame flame... you cant even hold a valid arguement besides flame. Stop with the sarcasm, im sure somebody as well spoken and educated as you can come up with a response that doesn't contain 10 year old counterstrike disses.
Euriti, why must you continue to post? a hacs role is not to be nanoed. Stop trying to build yourself up. You are too inexperienced when it comes to your kills to tell somebody they dont know what they are doing.. Why dont you tell everyone here exactly why nanos are fair, why they shouldnt be nerfed, and how they can be KILLED ,not detered by 1 ship.
Shut up with the caldari thing already. I am not caldari, and have nothing to do with their whining. YES THEY ARE BAD! SHUT UP. Your like a 90 year old with alzheimers telling the same ****en joke over and over. Do you think Bill Cosby is funny?
Are you suggesting that I'm also Kery ? :D
You keep comming with that bull**** about "YOU ARENT EXPERIENCED ENUFF FOR MOI!!!!!!!" when I come with perfectly valid arguments that have been agreed with by many experienced 0.0 players through several threads I have posted with and you are the first to come here and say this.
But sure, lets tank our HACs, I just know that I'll be in a BC instead then.
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.06.19 07:26:00 -
[341]
Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 19/06/2008 07:27:58
Well, it's not just that they go 4+ km/s and can shoot us from 150km. It's also that they have an uber tank, better then our battleships. So even if you can catch one, he simply tanks all the damage you can throw at it.
We tried to shoot one with 10 BS who slipped into web range. He simply tanked all the damage from our battleships for 10 minutes, speeded up to 10km/s again when we let him slip out of web range and he was out again. And what's with the fighters that are always with him? He has em in one system, jumps to another and they're they are as well. When will CCP do something about this?
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.19 07:43:00 -
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Grow up, formulate a response that tells everyone why nanos are fair, balanced, and should be kept without saying yer the nub pod, you dont know how to pvp.
Originally by: Caelum Dominus
What? No. I'm saying that Drakes are for noobs who think PvP is rolling your head across the F-keys, and how they are awful at combating nano ships. Until the typhical Caldari blob doesn't feature 10+ Drakes, it only proves that you are not willing to adapt and deserve to die horribly to people who are.
Let's say Invicta brings their fleet's worth of tanked HACs into a Caldari blob. We would obviously die horribly (however we would probably not cry about it because we know the error of such ways, unlike your everyday Caldari pilot who seems to believe that Drakes and Caracals should be the be-all-end-all to anything in the universe). We adapt - into nano.
Please get some perspective.
There are multiple well-formulated and quite reasonable responses to why nanos are perfectly fine in this thread, but I realize by now that asking you whiners to read them may be expecting too much.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.19 07:59:00 -
[343]
Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 19/06/2008 07:59:57
Originally by: Spineker
We are not failing it is just a fact that nano's sit 150k off the gate and kill at will because missiles will not reach you since you can outrun most of them and you just run away like yellar-nanos always do.
It's increasingly obvious that your PvP experience is very limited. The optimal range of a beam-fitted Zealot with tracking enhancers and optimal range rigs is just shy of 115km. This is easily accomplished by a Rokh, which would most likely two-volley a Zealot because it's paper thin and isn't moving because of tracking issues.
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CCP knows these ships are out of line and broken.
If CCP found nano-HACs were out of line and broken, wouldn't you say it's likely that they would've been removed by now? Lemmings have been whining about it for nearly a year.
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When 10 can attack 100 it is wrong and funny that people defend such a pathetic stance as to say they are not out of line on the ship scale.
It would be out of line if the 100-man fleet was even remotely interested in adapting to the situation. I realize this might be hard to grasp, but Ravens, Drakes and Caracals are not supposed to be the be-all-end-all. Replace them with Rokhs, Feroxes, Moas and Blackbirds and you will have a very easy time combating us indeed.
In a game of rock, paper, scissors - are scissors overpowered because they beat paper 100% of the time?
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Euriti
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:37:00 -
[344]
Edited by: Euriti on 19/06/2008 08:38:55
Edited by: Euriti on 19/06/2008 08:38:34
Originally by: Caelum Dominus
Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 19/06/2008 07:59:57
Originally by: Spineker
We are not failing it is just a fact that nano's sit 150k off the gate and kill at will because missiles will not reach you since you can outrun most of them and you just run away like yellar-nanos always do.
It's increasingly obvious that your PvP experience is very limited. The optimal range of a beam-fitted Zealot with tracking enhancers and optimal range rigs is just shy of 115km. This is easily accomplished by a Rokh, which would most likely two-volley a Zealot because it's paper thin and isn't moving because of tracking issues.
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CCP knows these ships are out of line and broken.
this man speaks the truth
Miss stella, please, if you are gonna flame what I say, then tell the same to every other person who is opposed to a nano nerf here and stop picking on 1 person because you think SP is the end all determining factor in eve, it is not.
If CCP found nano-HACs were out of line and broken, wouldn't you say it's likely that they would've been removed by now? Lemmings have been whining about it for nearly a year.
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When 10 can attack 100 it is wrong and funny that people defend such a pathetic stance as to say they are not out of line on the ship scale.
It would be out of line if the 100-man fleet was even remotely interested in adapting to the situation. I realize this might be hard to grasp, but Ravens, Drakes and Caracals are not supposed to be the be-all-end-all. Replace them with Rokhs, Feroxes, Moas and Blackbirds and you will have a very easy time combating us indeed.
In a game of rock, paper, scissors - are scissors overpowered because they beat paper 100% of the time?
Originally by: Caelum Dominus
Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 19/06/2008 07:59:57
Originally by: Spineker
We are not failing it is just a fact that nano's sit 150k off the gate and kill at will because missiles will not reach you since you can outrun most of them and you just run away like yellar-nanos always do.
It's increasingly obvious that your PvP experience is very limited. The optimal range of a beam-fitted Zealot with tracking enhancers and optimal range rigs is just shy of 115km. This is easily accomplished by a Rokh, which would most likely two-volley a Zealot because it's paper thin and isn't moving because of tracking issues.
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CCP knows these ships are out of line and broken.
If CCP found nano-HACs were out of line and broken, wouldn't you say it's likely that they would've been removed by now? Lemmings have been whining about it for nearly a year.
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When 10 can attack 100 it is wrong and funny that people defend such a pathetic stance as to say they are not out of line on the ship scale.
It would be out of line if the 100-man fleet was even remotely interested in adapting to the situation. I realize this might be hard to grasp, but Ravens, Drakes and Caracals are not supposed to be the be-all-end-all. Replace them with Rokhs, Feroxes, Moas and Blackbirds and you will have a very easy time combating us indeed.
In a game of rock, paper, scissors - are scissors overpowered because they beat paper 100% of the time?
this man speaks the truth
Miss stella, please, if you are gonna flame what I say, then tell the same to every other person who is opposed to a nano nerf here and stop picking on 1 person because you think SP is the end all determining factor in eve, it is not.
Also assaulting my battleclinic stats, atleast I got balls to throw a cheap t1 cruiser into a fight with a BC, K/D ratio can **** me, kills matter, not losses. Also, you have a shoddy 210 kills since 2006, i've managed the same in 2008 (not all my kills are on there).
LOOK MAH I CAN TAKE THIS TO KINDERGARTEN LEVEL TOO.
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Rach'Na
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:46:00 -
[345]
erm, blasters not good anymore? nano's unbeatable? LOL
this is 1 funny thread ^^
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coeathal vega
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.19 09:34:00 -
[346]
Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 19/06/2008 07:27:58
Well, it's not just that they go 4+ km/s and can shoot us from 150km. It's also that they have an uber tank, better then our battleships. So even if you can catch one, he simply tanks all the damage you can throw at it.
Wow. If a nano hac has a better tank than your battleships, you should really look into your fittings. A webbed nano hac is a dead hac. No other way around it. Unless you have no clue on how to fit ships.
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Euriti
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.19 09:35:00 -
[347]
Originally by: coeathal vega
Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 19/06/2008 07:27:58
Well, it's not just that they go 4+ km/s and can shoot us from 150km. It's also that they have an uber tank, better then our battleships. So even if you can catch one, he simply tanks all the damage you can throw at it.
Wow. If a nano hac has a better tank than your battleships, you should really look into your fittings. A webbed nano hac is a dead hac. No other way around it. Unless you have no clue on how to fit ships.
Didn't spot the sarcasm did you?
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coeathal vega
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.19 09:36:00 -
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um... I guess i didnt.
my bad. wtb coffee.
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Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.19 14:02:00 -
[349]
I'm sipping my coffee now and its delish
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Neerea
Ominous Fatum
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Posted - 2008.06.19 14:28:00 -
[350]
Im at work atm, also drinking coffee!
Also, ive had a hardon for like 40 min. Most strange.
Must be Spinekers and Miss Stellas intellectual replies turning me on 
Oh right, i was supposed to stay away from this thread. Tihi, silly me
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Kazacy
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.19 17:40:00 -
[351]
yet nano defenders never cover the esential point , they just clone the same insults over and over as a reply . The thing is (and most people know it) , nanos can get out of most fights they don`t want to fight unless they are braindead pilots , that`s what needs to be fixed. No , you should NOT be able to disengage so easely once you engage in a fight . The problem is there , and not with speed tanking as means of avoiding or mitigating damage , speed tanks can be countered , everyone can agree to that
I know it will be useless to argue with you, but did you ever heard about guerilla warfare? Ask about this vietnamese ppl for more info.
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Spineker
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.19 17:55:00 -
[352]
Edited by: Spineker on 19/06/2008 17:57:23
Originally by: Caelum Dominus
Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 19/06/2008 07:59:57
Originally by: Spineker
We are not failing it is just a fact that nano's sit 150k off the gate and kill at will because missiles will not reach you since you can outrun most of them and you just run away like yellar-nanos always do.
It's increasingly obvious that your PvP experience is very limited. The optimal range of a beam-fitted Zealot with tracking enhancers and optimal range rigs is just shy of 115km. This is easily accomplished by a Rokh, which would most likely two-volley a Zealot because it's paper thin and isn't moving because of tracking issues.
Of course that is it.... Couldn't be the fact that you can't read.
You can close 50KM in NANO before most ships can even lock you so blow the hot air up someone elseÆs ass.
What PART OF NANO SPEED DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? Shall I paint you some color pictures? Would that help? Maybe crayons?
You sit at 150km can ******* move in and kill before getting locked by some ships. Deny it and your either lying or never flown one.
Engage at will, disengage at will period they are broken and need to be fixed.
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DeadDuck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.19 18:33:00 -
[353]
TBH this nano disease is killing the game. I dont like nanos and tbh today EVE is reduced to blobs, and nano gangs. Thats it.
The small gang warfare is reduced to gankage and running away. Ships capable of out running missiles, BS faster then Interceptors, you name it... All ships must fit velocity modules and true alternatives reduced to a small number of ships. Yep I still play the game but more and more I'm starting to be more time docked and afk.
I remember when 4k/5k speed was fast and all the focus in setups was in damage output or tank. I remember to fit ships to actually fight, but it seems today you fit them to be fast, the paper made tanks and laughable damage are balanced by the blobs and the hability to run. Sad way EVE has evolved. And no you cant have my stuff. I still hope CCP opens their eyes.
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.19 20:30:00 -
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guys, eve is being destroyed by nano ships.
yesterday I had a 10 man camp with huginns and sensor boosters. This 12km/s interceptor jumped in and just nanoed off. Seriously, someone tell me how I can kill this ship with a single ship of my own, just like how eve was meant to be played. Also this rapier ran right past our camp, even though we tried to decloak him, it's gonna be unbalanced as I can't kill it by myself. Oh and this carrier came out of warp on the gate, but my drake couldn't kill it alone. Nerf pls.
Podruski/Sella,
You realize I haven't made any sort of number/logic based arguments because there really isn't any need to? Euriti already pointed out how wrong you are and you ignored him. You're the terminally stupid troll here. You bring no numbers, no evidence other than person anecdotes and why you 'feel' something is unbalanced. You make as logical an argument as a village idiot.
When euriti makes good points, you slag him as not having a valid opinion because he's new/can't fly nano hacs. Could you possibly get more vain/thick headed/stupid? No. I really doubt you could. Everytime I get upset that the Devs don't actually head players opinions more then they already do, I realize they have to sort through pages and pages of rants such as this created by unintelligable morons.
I'm gonna keep posting here mocking your horrible ideas and complete lack of logic because I think other people have the 'facts' of the matter pretty well covered. Maybe you should spend less time insulting people you are talking to and construct a reasonable/valid opinion? I doubt you will. I would ask you stop posting, but that's both rude and probably a lost cause. I only ask you not to reproduce. I feel that one will take care of itself, though. 
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.19 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 19/06/2008 20:53:38
Spineker,
this is silly. You're going on and on about the very things I've been striving to address in my last few posts. Please take a moment to consider my input before commencing your e-rage. I'll recap:
In a game of rock, paper, scissors - are scissors overpowered because they beat paper 100% of the time?
If Invicta were to bring tanked HACs up against the massive amount of ships that the Caldari militia present themselves with, I'm sure anyone would agree that we would fail miserably. In order to accomodate our wallets and killboard, we've adapted into flying speed-tanked ships. This is the only way for anyone who cannot match or exceed a blob to effectively combat one. We don't bring rock to a fight when we know there's going to be paper 100% of the time. Because the Caldari militia is less organized, however, you continue to bring paper. That's no argument for nerfing nano to the ground.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.19 21:44:00 -
[356]
Edited by: Dianeces on 19/06/2008 21:44:56
Kery is the best poster ITT.
Edit: 13th page snypa.
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DeadDuck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.19 22:19:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Kery Syander
Originally by: FORD ESC0RT
had entire fleet of ships trying to catch a nano typhoon with smartbombs. he killed off half our fleet and ran away.
That's exactly what I'm saying. There is absolutely NO WAY to counter this CCP!!! We all chased him and webbed him and then got within 5.5km of him. I know webs go to 10km (13km t2 + heat) but we had to get like real close and stuff, cause you know we're excited.
Some weeks ago a Omen gang was killing stuff in Providence, one of them was flying a Machariel ... he was doing 17Km/s... I rest my case... 
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Calypso's Wrath
Black Watch Legionnaires
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Posted - 2008.06.19 22:37:00 -
[358]
OMFG, this again?
CCP please nerf:
RR bs
Nanos
Falcons
Rapiers
Curses/pilgrims (oh wait)
Arazu/lach (oh wait)
Drakes
Ravens
Minmatar ships
and
covert ops cloaks
Pls, k, thx.
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Ulic Vos
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Some weeks ago a Omen gang was killing stuff in Providence, one of them was flying a Machariel ... he was doing 17Km/s... I rest my case...
High End Officer, Deadspace, Faction Fitting with snakes. Compare the investment to the ships he killed. So i guess blame the people who invest in something and nerf the ships they fly because other people in T1 fitted Ships cant kill em. Sounds reasonable to me
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DeadDuck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:45:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Ulic Vos
Originally by: DeadDuck
Some weeks ago a Omen gang was killing stuff in Providence, one of them was flying a Machariel ... he was doing 17Km/s... I rest my case...
High End Officer, Deadspace, Faction Fitting with snakes. Compare the investment to the ships he killed. So i guess blame the people who invest in something and nerf the ships they fly because other people in T1 fitted Ships cant kill em. Sounds reasonable to me
The important part is that game mechanics allow a BS to reach 17K m/s... dont you think that might be a "bit" to much?
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