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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:08:00 -
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Le Cardinal wrote:Andski wrote:Le Cardinal wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Hi everyone,
Goons are not happy with the effectiveness of large groups of titans against subcapital ships, so we have to make some adjustments.
Nice to see those ccp connections are working out for you. Well played goons. Putting Soundwave in charge of this is pretty hilarious considering his past history. ahahaha CCP connections get real Now that was a fast reply. Sadly, with this heavy handed nerf, things are quite real. eve is real meight
maybe if your csm rep wasn't so busy drinking he could have stopped this |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2625
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:08:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Weaselior, demonstrating his latent homosexual tendencies for the world to see. latent? |
Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:08:00 -
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Shadoo comes in and makes what I think may be a good post that I want to like but it is Shadoo. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
438
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:08:00 -
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Win Sui wrote:
Dunno. Or make some friends and stop being such an elitist prick. That might work too.
Man, its like you all want to say it without saying it.
Just admit that you think numbers should win no matter what.
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Machine Delta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:08:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Machine Delta wrote:
Hey, we said bombers. Keep moving the goalposts bro.
Right, so say the average alliance can field 200 guys, how are those 200 guys supposed to keep the 1200 man fleet on the field long enough to let the bombers make a single run, and how much is left of that 200 man alliance after they engage the 1200 man fleet. Scale that if you want to 400, or even 600 guys. The counter only works if you can get them to stay in one place long enough for each bombing run, and if you were to say, whittle numbers while they formed, well, if you kill enough to matter, the 1200 man fleet won't see the field (thats morale winning, not a fleet comp beating 1200 guys) and if you don't then you're stuck in the same situation. So tell me again how an average alliance that could normally field a 200 man fleet is to counter 1200 dudes with bombers. Tell me how a small coalition that could scrape up 600 dudes is going to compete with 1200 guys. The scaling mechanic is so out of whack that its simply not possible. Over 150 maels and carriers start getting vollied, once you reach the full alpha fleet, backed by 400 drakes, 100 collected scimmies, a small bomber group, and however many rifters you are left with a thing that is literally only currently countered by one thing in game: Titans. The answer to what beats 1200 dudes is your own 1200 dudes, as there isn't much else thats going to matter.
You might not be keen on the idea of using more than one ship type in a fleet but there are things called covops, interdictors, and a thing called probing. If you use those with 200 bombers then yeah you could whittle down a 1200 man fleet or marginalize it from its strategic objectives fairly easily. It's painful to see you try so hard here. You should really step away from the keyboard before you admit to wanting to RMT your titan on these forums in addition to the ones you already have cried on.
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Meltmind2
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:08:00 -
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Shadoo wrote:I don't think anyone who has flown a titan in combat can argue that the ship is not currently overpowered in combat when used in great numbers, just like no one could seriously argue about AOD DDs when they started to be used in 3+3 scale every 10 minutes
Of course, same goes for every ship in eve -- when used in great numbers, but Supercapitals certainly show this curve more often on the field
So I'm extremely happy that you state that the ship needs a role change - last time we were campaigning for AOD DD change -- this was exactly what a lot of us were asking for
But that was 3 years ago
I am therefore rather dissapointed that what we, the community at large, have been asking for a very long time is rather haphazardly brushed off as something that "will be looked at long term" with a surgical change that SCREAMS of a kneejerk reaction without really providing us with much to go on here to see your vision or have comfort you are going to do something in the long term for the "end game" ship in EVE
And forgive me for saying this -- but you have not always had a great track record of revisiting changes you've made in the past as surgical adjustments. Thus I feel like pressing a bit harder on the high level thoughts that have lead you to make this current fix
What is your intended role for Titan with this change on TQ today?
How will you evaluate if your changes implemented will match up with that role on the TQ combat field in this release? For example -- as far as I can see -- a large group of titans will still obliterate a large group of battleships/drakes -- all you've delayed is the first hit and require more micromanagement in making sure the lock queue is evenly spaced out
Given how large fights today unfold on TQ -- how do you see this ship fulfilling your intended role on heavily TiDi systems with the sig change
What is your future vision, even at high level, for the Titan ship class? Will it remain a combat asset or are you looking and overhauling it for something else (personally btw I've argued for the last 4 years that titans should NOT be a combat ship at all, but rather a massive alliance level asset for logistics/cloning/staging/etc)
What assurances can you offer us this change will not remain a permanent fixture for the long term?
With the combat ability of this ship being "surgically adjusted", would you be even willing to look at for example increasing the jump range of the ship to balance the change
And lastly -- are you going to allow those pilots who wish to wait for your stated longer term role adjustments to GM-dock their ship until such a time that this change is no longer a surgical measure in order to still utilize the account/character for combat in EVE? This is literally the best post in this thread. |
960ApofiS069
hirr Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:09:00 -
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+1
My opion is titans shoulndt be able to lock subcaps at all, its not too hacky and restrictive if u (ccp) find something what could be added to titans, maybe add to em a cyno, which will not affect their speed or anything (like invuly and not like normal cynofield gen which lock yo ship to point, and if u ccp are worried about moving cyno-speed of titan or bumped titan then make it like tit will create that shining effect which will remain in space for some short time like covps cyno 30s and in that space will be ships able to lock/jump), a new button for titans pilots, add some nice effect to titans that everyone could see that tittans lighted cyno maybe that cyno could be lighted also in cynojamed system (like a bonus titans are also much more bigger than cyno jamers so why not?), and cyno would go down as titan pilot push warp button/jump/under pos ff. Its the easiest way how to solve this, u take and u give, no need for res nerf or guns tracking. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
438
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:09:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Weaselior, demonstrating his latent homosexual tendencies for the world to see. latent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_homosexuality
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:09:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:evil goonies metagame meight meight meight
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Swearte Widfarend
Mortis Noir. Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:10:00 -
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Andski wrote:Swearte Widfarend wrote:Charles Case wrote:Swearte Widfarend wrote:Charles Case wrote:TELL ME HOW YOU CAN BEAT A 2000 BLOB END OF DISCUSSION Turn off the servers and go home. If you would stop and think (I know, sometimes it's hard when you are in madposting mode), you would realize that half of this Titan nerf is beyond stupid. If Titans are supposed to shoot capitals, great. But after the update with the scan resolution change, Titans won't even be able to do that unless you spend an additional 30-40 BILLION ISK to fit stupid Officer Sensor Boosters. And in doing so, it won't change their ability to shoot MWD Drakes or MWD Maelstroms. So what does this achieve, other than having the Titan pilots not log in at all? Because I didn't think CCPs goals was fewer folks on the cluster. That's some pretty dumb reasoning there ok Math is hard. An MWD Drake (or MWD Maelstrom) has the signature of a Carrier. Ergo, the MWD Maelstrom or MWD Drake can be hit by a turret Titan. The proposed Titan changes don't change that fact. yeah we tend to run our MWDs for fun and just sit still
Ok, so geometry is hard. But when you orbit your anchor, there are at least two points in your orbit where your transversal is ZERO and you will be hit. And yeah, your current drake doctorine is a perma-MWD drake. Unless it changed this week. CCP is changing ship skill trees. How ship skills should be |
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Machine Delta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:10:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Win Sui wrote:
Dunno. Or make some friends and stop being such an elitist prick. That might work too.
Man, its like you all want to say it without saying it. Just admit that you think numbers should win no matter what.
You're the one saying that. Shadoo has so articulately and clearly demonstrated how best to address the issue your white noise posts are really no longer necessary. Maybe you should try out things under Raiden. leadership? |
Durr Hurrr Durr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:11:00 -
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There sure is a lot of pl tears in a titan nerf thread. Who'd a thunk it huh........ |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:11:00 -
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Why do supercaps still have their built-in, penalty-free WCS? They're not haulers or miners like the Mastodon or Skiff.
There is no place for WCS on combat ships. Although I can see why their pilots appreciate the elite nature of stabbed PVP. |
Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:11:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Win Sui wrote:
Dunno. Or make some friends and stop being such an elitist prick. That might work too.
Man, its like you all want to say it without saying it. Just admit that you think numbers should win no matter what.
All I'm hearing is 'I am a lone wolf who is better than you all and I should be able to Rambo your entire alliance on a whim if I so choose' |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
438
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:11:00 -
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Machine Delta wrote: You might not be keen on the idea of using more than one ship type in a fleet but there are things called covops, interdictors, and a thing called probing. If you use those with 200 bombers then yeah you could whittle down a 1200 man fleet or marginalize it from its strategic objectives fairly easily. It's painful to see you try so hard here. You should really step away from the keyboard before you admit to wanting to RMT your titan on these forums in addition to the ones you already have cried on.
1) Ive said my titan will be fine and will function the same as it does now, with a slight delay before the damage hits. Can you identify me saying that I'm RMTing MY titan?
2) If you had 200 bombers, and were facing 1200 guys, how do you propose you talk those 1200 guys into being somewhere bombable??
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2642
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:12:00 -
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glad it's mutual "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2625
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:12:00 -
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man you badpost even about being gay |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:13:00 -
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Hey Grath maybe you didn't read my post back there
THE DISCUSSION IS OVER |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
438
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:13:00 -
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Machine Delta wrote: Shadoo has so articulately and clearly demonstrated how best to address the issue
Really im pretty sure our posts have said nearly the same thing, I can even go back 4 pages and quote nearly word for word identical posting points if you'd like, but please feel free to call my posts white noise in a sea of 2000 goon posts.
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Rommel Rottweil
Thundercats Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:13:00 -
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I think that the reduction of Tracking is ok, but a bit harsh on the target & res nerf.
Btw, while you guys are at it, can you boost Capital Turret and Bay DPS a bit.
I suggest giving maybe 20-25% boost for Capital Weapons or a small boost to Siege Damage multiplier |
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Mik kyo
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:14:00 -
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Win Sui wrote:Dunno. Or make some friends and stop being such an elitist prick. That might work too.
The only thing worse than a titan nerf, is having to play this game with the retar ded masses. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
438
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:14:00 -
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Charles Case wrote:Hey Grath maybe you didn't read my post back there
THE DISCUSSION IS OVER
Its not over until the patch goes live
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:14:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote: 2) If you had 200 bombers, and were facing 1200 guys, how do you propose you talk those 1200 guys into being somewhere bombable??
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=22778 |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:15:00 -
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Swearte Widfarend wrote: Ok, so geometry is hard. But when you orbit your anchor, there are at least two points in your orbit where your transversal is ZERO and you will be hit. And yeah, your current drake doctorine is a perma-MWD drake. Unless it changed this week.
1 thing. If you orbit in a circle that maintains distance from your target that doesn't happen. |
Kazanir
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
365
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:15:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:2) If you had 200 bombers, and were facing 1200 guys, how do you propose you talk those 1200 guys into being somewhere bombable??
I dunno but it sure seems to happen to your 150 guys pretty ******* often |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
462
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:15:00 -
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i dunno, I've seen PL drop titans on small cruiser/sub-BC fleet fights they were losing (against cascade imminent lol), i'm not sure what grath's old stupid ass is babbling on about titans being used as a 'anti-blob tactic', because that's not what they're used for |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:16:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Charles Case wrote:Hey Grath maybe you didn't read my post back there
THE DISCUSSION IS OVER Its not over until the patch goes live
Nah man i'm just making fun of you cause that's how you finish your posts
HUrf . . . . . dUrF
End of discussion! |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:16:00 -
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you're pretty angry you see |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
438
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:16:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:
Thats nice, why would they ever be somewhere to get bubbled?
Theres literally no need to, they come in, sit in staging tower, then cynoing in their own supers to do any heavy lifting in the system.
But hey, at least you had 200 bombers.
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Death2all Supercaps
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:17:00 -
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Lesson learned guys:
Dont drop titan blob on a roaming LARPing CCP gang
Or they hit you with 'da bat' |
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