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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2695
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:17:00 -
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lroh wrote:Thank you CCP, now i don't have to play for 4 years to eventualy get the skills to fly a SC/Titan and get to the "end game" stage. Now i only have to train for Carrier and be done quicker to go play the next mmo you don't really get eve you should probably go back to WoW |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:17:00 -
[1922] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote:The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news. Then push it at the same time, king Mittani. Show some ******* impartiality.
It's like you don't want to see what's going on, and only want to deflect the issue: Mittani raised this issue repeatedly in his widely publicized debate with Riverini for CSM 7 under two weeks ago. He spotlighted it as one of the critical issues impacting son warfare in 0.0, along with super capitals, which prevent small alliances from breaking in to the 0.0 game.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2695
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:18:00 -
[1923] - Quote
i do wish to echo my raiden. friends call for an ability to reprocess titans, however
implement a Capital Ship Disassembly Array, allow titans to be melted down to scrap, so raiden. can reprocess all their titans in a rage |
Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:21:00 -
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lroh wrote:Thank you CCP, now i don't have to play for 4 years to eventualy get the skills to fly a SC/Titan and get to the "end game" stage. Now i only have to train for Carrier and be done quicker to go play the next mmo
There is no endgame in a sandbox. |
niishke
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:21:00 -
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I can't wait to see how titan-heavy alliances perform without their huge space buttplugs to bail them out all the time. |
FeLiZk
The Ankou Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:22:00 -
[1926] - Quote
Kyle Myr wrote:FeLiZk wrote:The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news. Then push it at the same time, king Mittani. Show some ******* impartiality. It's like you don't want to see what's going on, and only want to deflect the issue: Mittani raised this issue repeatedly in his widely publicized debate with Riverini for CSM 7 under two weeks ago. He spotlighted it as one of the critical issues impacting son warfare in 0.0, along with super capitals, which prevent small alliances from breaking in to the 0.0 game.
So show me the post pushing this before the next big patch.
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Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
58
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:22:00 -
[1927] - Quote
If grinding (or botting/rmting of course, but we'll ignore that lovely aspect of the supercap arms race) towards the biggest ship in the game is your "endgame", then you're just going to quit once you've blapped fools for a few months anyway. Then you'll start moaning for a superdeeduper capital to really show how special you are.
I'm sorry that an entire virtual galaxy of possibilities and opportunities isn't enough to keep you interested, and you need to climb some self-defined ladder of ship power. |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
58
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:24:00 -
[1928] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote:So show me the post pushing this before the next big patch.
Dude, stop. You got owned. Tech nerf and titan nerf have gone hand in hand, and have had equal focus.
You look like a total jerkoff right now.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2695
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:24:00 -
[1929] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote: So show me the post pushing this before the next big patch.
there's thousands
literally
goonswarm has been open about how much tech needs a nerf for a long time, the issue is that idiots like yourself do not understand the complexity of fixing moon minerals so they stop bottlenecking
basically the reason tech is what it is is because someone like you tried to nerf prom/dysp |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2695
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:24:00 -
[1930] - Quote
raiden.: terrible at eve, terrible at posting, terrible at reading |
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Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
166
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:26:00 -
[1931] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:FeLiZk wrote:The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news. Then push it at the same time, king Mittani. Show some ******* impartiality. It's like you don't want to see what's going on, and only want to deflect the issue: Mittani raised this issue repeatedly in his widely publicized debate with Riverini for CSM 7 under two weeks ago. He spotlighted it as one of the critical issues impacting son warfare in 0.0, along with super capitals, which prevent small alliances from breaking in to the 0.0 game. So show me the post pushing this before the next big patch.
Sure, here you go: http://soundcloud.com/csmdebate/eve-radio-csm-debate-mittani
There's a transcript that one of our deaf members paid one of our newbies to make, but as it's Goonfleet material, leaking it to you would be violating opsec. You'll just need to wait until after your current fleet to be able to listen to it, but I feel this communicates what Mittani's role in the CSM is: clearly communicating about sucking chest wounds in EVE to CCP. |
niishke
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:28:00 -
[1932] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:FeLiZk wrote:The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news. Then push it at the same time, king Mittani. Show some ******* impartiality. It's like you don't want to see what's going on, and only want to deflect the issue: Mittani raised this issue repeatedly in his widely publicized debate with Riverini for CSM 7 under two weeks ago. He spotlighted it as one of the critical issues impacting son warfare in 0.0, along with super capitals, which prevent small alliances from breaking in to the 0.0 game. So show me the post pushing this before the next big patch. The last time CCP rebalanced moons they cocked it up. They're going to need more than a few months to get it right. |
FeLiZk
The Ankou Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:28:00 -
[1933] - Quote
So you can make a crap fix for titans, but not for something as vital as Tech. And I will be the judge of when someone comes with a good augment. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2699
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:29:00 -
[1934] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote:So you can make a crap fix for titans, but not for something as vital as Tech. And I will be the judge of when someone comes with a good augment. wrong idiot |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2699
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:30:00 -
[1935] - Quote
things raiden. doesn't understand, volume mmmccclxxxi: what a bottlenecking system is and the impossibility of fixing it just by tweaking a few numbers |
Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:30:00 -
[1936] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote:So you can make a crap fix for titans, but not for something as vital as Tech. And I will be the judge of when someone comes with a good augment.
So far your judgement seems pretty poor. Why don't you give us a good argument. |
Count Spectacula
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:32:00 -
[1937] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote:.... And I will be the judge of when someone comes with a good augment.
and yet you still made this post.
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FeLiZk
The Ankou Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:33:00 -
[1938] - Quote
niishke wrote:FeLiZk wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:FeLiZk wrote:The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news. Then push it at the same time, king Mittani. Show some ******* impartiality. It's like you don't want to see what's going on, and only want to deflect the issue: Mittani raised this issue repeatedly in his widely publicized debate with Riverini for CSM 7 under two weeks ago. He spotlighted it as one of the critical issues impacting son warfare in 0.0, along with super capitals, which prevent small alliances from breaking in to the 0.0 game. So show me the post pushing this before the next big patch. The last time CCP rebalanced moons they cocked it up. They're going to need more than a few months to get it right.
And they need more for titan fix that's is very clear.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2699
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:33:00 -
[1939] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote:Andski wrote:FeLiZk wrote:btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ? tech doesn't have a "quick fix" or "stop-gap measure" off cause it does. your kidding me right, you just have to not care what happens if you do it... you make 500 ish of the moons in empire/low sec tech that was gas before. Done holy **** i missed this post
clearly we can't permit you to judge what kind of shoes you can wear in the morning |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2699
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:34:00 -
[1940] - Quote
FeLiZk you literally have the worst ideas ever in the history of eve |
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FeLiZk
The Ankou Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:34:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:FeLiZk wrote:Andski wrote:FeLiZk wrote:btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ? tech doesn't have a "quick fix" or "stop-gap measure" off cause it does. your kidding me right, you just have to not care what happens if you do it... you make 500 ish of the moons in empire/low sec tech that was gas before. Done holy **** i missed this post clearly we can't permit you to judge what kind of shoes you can wear in the morning
so this **** is important to you ? |
FeLiZk
The Ankou Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:36:00 -
[1942] - Quote
Not trying to come up with good ones, just equal ones |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2704
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:36:00 -
[1943] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote: so this **** is important to you ?
ahahahaha you censored your own post what a tool |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2704
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:38:00 -
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FeLiZk wrote:Not trying to come up with good ones, just equal ones i do not believe you're smart enough to understand why dumping extra tech moons wouldn't solve anything because it involves math so i will skip explaining that
however
i do believe you might (and i could be wrong here) be able to grasp that you can't moon mine in highsec idiot |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:38:00 -
[1945] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote:So you can make a crap fix for titans, but not for something as vital as Tech. And I will be the judge of when someone comes with a good augment.
These titan fixes aren't actually the final balance. CCP has been adjusting Titans and super caps since the start of the Crucible patch, with iterative patches based on testing, both internal, and open player tests on Singularity. I also presume they watch statistics on what's going on in EVE to determine their balance.
Crucible brought the removable of the ability to DD sub caps, the immunity of super caps to friendly EWAR as well as enemy EWAR (Remote Sensor Boosters and Tracking Links), as well as the removal of their Drone bay, as a start of CCP's attempt to bring them into the anti-capital, rather than anti-everything role. There was also a mild EHP nerf to attempt to adjust Titan survivability.
So far, these changes have done nothing to the ability of massed Titans to dominate all sub capital fleets. This is CCP's next step in fixing that problem. Perhaps if titans were not used to destroy after burning Rifters, this would not be going on, but as it stands, this is simply one step in CCP's iterative design process. |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
59
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:40:00 -
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And remember, CCP did come directly to Mittani's throneroom in Wisconsin and beg for his divine wisdom as to whether they should nerf tech or titans first.
Holy **** :elitepvpposting: so bad. |
FeLiZk
The Ankou Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:40:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:FeLiZk wrote:Not trying to come up with good ones, just equal ones i do not believe you're smart enough to understand why dumping extra tech moons wouldn't solve anything because it involves math so i will skip explaining that however i do believe you might (and i could be wrong here) be able to grasp that you can't moon mine in highsec idiot
change it, nothing is holy is it. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2704
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:40:00 -
[1948] - Quote
FeLiZk wrote:Weaselior wrote:FeLiZk wrote:Not trying to come up with good ones, just equal ones i do not believe you're smart enough to understand why dumping extra tech moons wouldn't solve anything because it involves math so i will skip explaining that however i do believe you might (and i could be wrong here) be able to grasp that you can't moon mine in highsec idiot change it thats the stupidest idea i've ever heard and that includes the other ones you've had good job |
Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
93
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:41:00 -
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Oh lord, why has this thread degenerated into some sort of :BLOOOOOOBS: discussion...
No ship in eve should stop a large fleet on its tracks, get over it and stop being ********. No ship in a game should be even designed as such because all it would do is people who like to push boundaries to simply gather as many of them as possible into an unstopable force.
That's not good for the game. Titans are overpowered when used in large numbers because they scale exponentially better than any other ship in this game.
Yes, they cost a lot of isk and require a lot of SP -- but that's not an excuse for them to be massively overpowered when used in numbers.
Now -- I *do* believe that something fundemental needs to be done in this game to combat the ever escalating numbers used in combat and that applies to ANY type of ship. I sincerely believe the time of the sandbox has come to an end in some respects, and we not only need a diminishing returns system for damage applied and we need to have shield/armor transfered from logistics ships applied with similar diminishing returns.
But people... A thread about Titans is not the place to have this discussion.
I once swore (3.5years ago or so, someone eve-search the post) that I would ABUSE the AOE DD to its greatest extend until it got changed. And it did. I'm fairly sure I said ~8 months ago on another site I'd do the same with tracking titans, and I believe that we have.
I'm happy therefore the ship is getting attention, but I am very disapointed we STILL lack the FINAL solution to bring this "end game" ship to a role which is UNIQUE, USEFUL for the alliance/corp/gang as a whole and WORTHY of investing a lot of money, time and effort for getting into.
Reducing tracking/increasing locking will solve nothing. Only a change out of the combat role completely will do this. It''s NOT ENOUGH to tweak it.
Hopefully CCP will look at the 100+ pages of discussion generated and realize this IS a ship which is important, and it IS important to bring it to a proper, well thoughtout change in role with the effort and resources devoded to it which match those of the pilors who aspire to fly them. |
Sethur Blackcoat
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:45:00 -
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See this is why we kind of like PL even though they use a lot of supercaps and don't like Raidendot because they use a lot of supercaps. It's this post. This post right here. |
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