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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:39:00 -
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Khadmos wrote:FeLiZk wrote:btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ? Pretty much the entire CFC is calling for nerfs to tech and income generated by actually having people use systems. I believe this is something mittens mentioned in his current CSM campaign. Yeah. Guess now we can spend our tech money on more drakes, blackbirds and rifters until then.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:41:00 -
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Daiony wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:
'You killed everyone, and now you are being killed. If you had not used Titans to kill everything, this would not be a necessary nerd to their use.'
Freudian slip?
Autocorrect. :cripes:. Then again, this is EVE, I think that word applies to anyone in this game. |
Variable1
FinFleet Raiden.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:44:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:
I fly an Erebus, and have one of the largest Titan fleets in the galaxy.
The hard fact is that the fault lies with the people who used Titans to annihilate subcaps en masse, and then had the poor judgement to laugh about it, congratulate themselves, and keep doing it. If RDN, NCdot and PL hadn't gone whole-hog abusing an obviously broken mechanic, this nerf would have never happened.
They may tell themselves that the inarguable imbalance of blapping titans was a sign of their 'skill' or 'superiority' - the same excuses offered forth throughout the history of the Titan, justifying Remote Doomsdays, AoE Doomsdays, etc etc. The same old guard players, the same old guard excuses, the same old-guard entitlement.
lol same old Mittani, the more he says 'stuff' the more CCP and newbs believe it :( Let me break your paragraphs down a little...
1. You give no hard facts, just loose collections of your own opinions.
2. Ships are in game. People buy ships. People like ships. People use ships. **Gasp**.
3. There is no broken mechanic, no abuse, no illegal activity, and nothing is obvious bar your sh**posting.
4. It's not about old guard, elite players, justification blah blah, it's simply about pew. You shoot, you kill, you enjoy.
5. I don't see any mega threads about abuse of fleets by having 3-4 of them (250 in each).
6. I don't see any mega threads about abuse of Apha Maels, and how having 400-700 of them in one mega fleet is somehow 'ok', but fielding 20 titans is not..
No I take it back. Mittens must be right, after all, the goon way is the best way. I see it now.
Sorry, nothing to see here. |
vasanizome
Kokoblockers
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:45:00 -
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those you can not fight at field fight and cry for nerf at forums |
FeLiZk
The Ankou Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:47:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news.
Then push it at the same time, king Mittani.
Show some ******* impartiality.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:48:00 -
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Variable1 wrote:6. I don't see any mega threads about abuse of Apha Maels, and how having 400-700 of them in one mega fleet is somehow 'ok', but fielding 20 titans is not.. We had only a few times of fielding 400-700 maels. After that it was changed to the general no-more-than-one fleet & tons of drakes which you see today (as evidenced by killboards).
Any newbie that can use a scorpion knows to keep some blackbirds or drakes handy because the maelstrom fleet fills up pretty fast as it's usually the first one created if called for. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Lord Helghast
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
55
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:48:00 -
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Ruby Lionheart wrote:CCP 2 years ago : Titans you need to be on grid, CCP NOW: Titans **** off back to the pos
in order to kill the sub caps the titans had to be fitted with 3x tracking links, and dmg mods, making them have less EFHP then a SC to,
yes except just about every titan has a carrier within earshot for a nice fast refit to a EHP fit if **** hits the fan, and most tracking titans could take out even with a tracking fit a nice 50 man battlecruiser gang solo even if they were nano fit
This change makes sense, in the real world you don't see us shooting 50 cal sniper rifles to kill f*cking ants and hitting 99% of the time. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2918
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:49:00 -
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Variable1 wrote:I don't see any mega threads about abuse of Apha Maels, and how having 400-700 of them in one mega fleet is somehow 'ok', but fielding 20 titans is not..
get the people in your alliance who can assemble coherent sentences to start a thread about it then "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Count Spectacula
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:49:00 -
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vasanizome wrote:those you can not fight at field fight and cry because of nerf at forums
I fixed that for you.
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FeLiZk
The Ankou Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:52:00 -
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Well we are taking a tech moon back atm. with our massive 50 titans |
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SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
58
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:53:00 -
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this is not even a effective nerf stop freaking out guys and throw two auto targeting system II in the high and lock up 9 people and blap away. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:54:00 -
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Lord Helghast wrote:yes except just about every titan has a carrier within earshot for a nice fast refit to a EHP fit if **** hits the fan, and most tracking titans could take out even with a tracking fit a nice 50 man battlecruiser gang solo even if they were nano fit
Oh, that's how they do it.
Wonder how a small carrier can refit a huge titan, some to think of it.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2918
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:54:00 -
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FeLiZk wrote:Well we are taking a tech moon back atm. with our massive 50 titans
digging your own grave "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:54:00 -
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Variable1 wrote: 4. It's not about old guard, elite players, justification blah blah, it's simply about pew. You shoot, you kill, you enjoy.
5. I don't see any mega threads about abuse of fleets by having 3-4 of them (250 in each).
6. I don't see any mega threads about abuse of Apha Maels, and how having 400-700 of them in one mega fleet is somehow 'ok', but fielding 20 titans is not..
Sounds like your terrible posting is at fault more than CSM. |
Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc. Lonely Maple Conglomeration
30
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:54:00 -
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Is CCP willing to reimburse titan owners for years of SP and ISK lost, or will just let them quit game in frustration? I know it is not that many accounts but I don't think CCP at this moment can afford to lose any. |
niishke
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:55:00 -
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Reasoning these things out for myself is super hard. That's why I let mittens do it for me. |
lroh
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:56:00 -
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Thank you CCP, now i don't have to play for 4 years to eventualy get the skills to fly a SC/Titan and get to the "end game" stage. Now i only have to train for Carrier and be done quicker to go play the next mmo |
FeLiZk
The Ankou Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:56:00 -
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Andski wrote:FeLiZk wrote:Well we are taking a tech moon back atm. with our massive 50 titans digging your own grave
Well in your world 10=50
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2919
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:56:00 -
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lroh wrote:Thank you CCP, now i don't have to play for 4 years to eventualy get the skills to fly a SC/Titan and get to the "end game" stage. Now i only have to train for Carrier and be done quicker to go play the next mmo
you have nothing to worry about, not like you can camp the jita 4-4 undock with a titan "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
supr3m3justic3
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
15
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:58:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news.
Maybe we should limit the amount of pilots than can be involed in a fleet fight, then watch as the cries shift from Cap pilots to bloated alliances. |
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Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:58:00 -
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lroh wrote:Thank you CCP, now i don't have to play for 4 years to eventualy get the skills to fly a SC/Titan and get to the "end game" stage. Now i only have to train for Carrier and be done quicker to go play the next mmo
Believing that titans are endgame is pretty sad :( "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:01:00 -
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supr3m3justic3 wrote:The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news. Maybe we should limit the amount of pilots than can be involed in a fleet fight, then watch as the cries shift from Cap pilots to bloated alliances. that's silly, because a large alliance will split up into many fleets and shoot pos everywhere.
Though I admit if you only had a few ships in a groyp shooing pos, they'd probably be dreads or titans (that can still shot structures a-ok)
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
niishke
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:04:00 -
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supr3m3justic3 wrote:The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news. Maybe we should limit the amount of pilots than can be involed in a fleet fight, then watch as the cries shift from Cap pilots to bloated alliances. You mean that thing where a fleet is capped at 256 members? Yeah I think they should implement that too. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2919
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:05:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:this is not even a effective nerf stop freaking out guys and throw two auto targeting system II in the high and lock up 9 people and blap away.
great, go play BF3 with your ncdot buddies and complain about eve being a bad game where titans are no longer the only relevant ships "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:06:00 -
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I've snipped this post down to points which aren't just direct attacks on other people's character. Plenty of us enjoy flinging that sort of thing around, but I wouldn't want to annoy the moderators, so I'll address your relevant points.
Variable1 wrote:The Mittani wrote: The hard fact is that the fault lies with the people who used Titans to annihilate subcaps en masse, and then had the poor judgement to laugh about it, congratulate themselves, and keep doing it. If RDN, NCdot and PL hadn't gone whole-hog abusing an obviously broken mechanic, this nerf would have never happened.
They may tell themselves that the inarguable imbalance of blapping titans was a sign of their 'skill' or 'superiority' - the same excuses offered forth throughout the history of the Titan, justifying Remote Doomsdays, AoE Doomsdays, etc etc. The same old guard players, the same old guard excuses, the same old-guard entitlement.
1. You give no hard facts, just loose collections of your own opinions. Have you missed the killmails of CCP Abaddons with nothing but Titans on them? Or lists elsewhere of dictors and frigates killed by single titan shots? These are hard facts. There are multiple battle reports which show this kind of engagement.
Variable1 wrote: 4. It's not about old guard, elite players, justification blah blah, it's simply about pew. You shoot, you kill, you enjoy.
I wasn't around for the great war: I subscribed a little under a year ago, but I've read up on history, and the conflict between players with established capital fleets in 0.0 (once lead by the vanguard of Band of Brothers, which is an alliance your own corporation was part of) versus the presence of new entities in frigates (in 2006, Goonfleet. In 2010, the re-remake of Band of Brothers, IT Alliance, versus TEST) has dated back at least 5 years. From the era of remote AOE doomsdays to the modern era of rapidly tracking high-EHP titans able to kill all tackle, there has always been an element of the old rich exploiting whatever they can about Titans to drive newer players from 0.0.
Variable1 wrote: 5. I don't see any mega threads about abuse of fleets by having 3-4 of them (250 in each).
6. I don't see any mega threads about abuse of Apha Maels, and how having 400-700 of them in one mega fleet is somehow 'ok', but fielding 20 titans is not..
I'll address these together, as I feel they're attacking the same point: that numbers and not doctrine are the only thing that matter in sub capital engagements. There are a few points against this: -First, that turning players away from a fleet is bad policy, as it suggests that EVE is a game where conflict should arbitrarily cap participation, when its huge space brawls with hundreds on both sides of the fight are one of its major draws -Second, that the CFC's doctrine is impossible to defeat, or to imitate (it is neither, but I'm not going to suggest how to defeat my own side) -Finally, that the idea that a small group of wealthy individuals should be to create a bigger effect than large, carefully coordinated groups of hundreds. Single volleys killing a ship is easily achieved by 20 titans, which are invulnerable due to reps from 20+ super carriers. Even when 200+ maelstroms can instantly kill a target much less frequently, their numbers can be whittled down, even with the present of support ships. 40+ bombers cannot create an effect remotely on the level of an old AOE doomsday, and they do it at much, much greater risk than that old AOE doomsday (to say nothing about the complete lack of risk present in the Remote AOE doomsday).
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supr3m3justic3
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
15
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:06:00 -
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niishke wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news. Maybe we should limit the amount of pilots than can be involed in a fleet fight, then watch as the cries shift from Cap pilots to bloated alliances. You mean that thing where a fleet is capped at 256 members? Yeah I think they should implement that too.
No i mean , make it to where some one cant bring 600 drakes to a fight intended for 50 cap ships.
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Count Spectacula
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:10:00 -
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Sofia Wolf wrote:Is CCP willing to reimburse titan owners for years of SP and ISK lost, or will just let them quit game in frustration? I know it is not that many accounts but I don't think CCP at this moment can afford to lose any.
Why should they reimburse anything? The ship is still there, the skills are still useful, you can still target and shoot things. no one is stopping you from flying your titan. I didnt get heavy drone skills back when they removed them from myrmadons, I didnt get cruise missile skills back when they removed them from stealth bombers. I didnt get drone skills or isk for drones back when they removed them from supercarriers...
On another note, they just banned, what was it 2000 accounts for botting? how do you think 800 or so titan accounts would make a difference? Maybe if titan pilots had been more responsible with their power, they would still be able to hit the tiny things they shoot at. |
FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:13:00 -
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supr3m3justic3 wrote:niishke wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:The Mittani wrote:Watch as the Titan apologist tries to deflect blame away from himself. Nerf tech, he says - yet we all agree. Anything, anything to get the topic away from how the Titan pilots brought this nerf on themselves through their own blatant misbehavior.
I have always supported a tech rebalance. This is not news. Maybe we should limit the amount of pilots than can be involed in a fleet fight, then watch as the cries shift from Cap pilots to bloated alliances. You mean that thing where a fleet is capped at 256 members? Yeah I think they should implement that too. No i mean , make it to where some one cant bring 600 drakes to a fight intended for 50 cap ships.
Like an instanced server? |
Histocomp
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:15:00 -
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Adjusting titans isn't something CCP has decided to do out of the blue. First CCP chose to address Supercarriers (i.e. drone changes, etc) and the logoffski mechanic. Dreads were also boosted at the same time to try and provide better mechanics of taking these monsters down. Now, CCP has done what every always asks them to do: check back in on what they change. Titans are now being adjusted, which is just another iteration to fix a problem which CCP clearly has their eye on, supercapital proliferation and blobbing. This change seems like a great start to me, and helps put the emphasis back onto subcaps.
Oh, and cry some more about getting your SP and ISK reimbursed .
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Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:17:00 -
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Believe it or not, ultimately, what we want, is every single ship to count. Every single ship should count. From the lowliest frigate to the loftiest supercap. It has a place. It has a chance to shine. Artillery platforms, blaster boats, drone ships and missle siege, all useful for their roles. Cloakers, tacklers, electronics warfare and logistics, crucial to your success. Carriers both super and non, dreadnaughts and titans, all have a role to fill.
No pilot is left behind. No skillpoint is ever wasted. PVP. PVE.
Just wait. We will make it happen.
Then we reset TEST. |
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