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Cyaron wars
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.03.16 11:38:00 -
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Can we balance artillery as well? |
Jacob Kelbrand
Quantum Horizons C0NVICTED
1
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Posted - 2012.03.16 11:44:00 -
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This joy I'm feeling Titan fans are suffering That's schadenfreude |
Annabell Prime
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
0
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:04:00 -
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Honestly i don't think this is the "right" way to fix it.
The titans should present a viable threat to an enemy fleet.
with this said i think what the game is missing is A combat link instead that promotes fleets of beeing balanced. (Give bonus to fleet on composition of fleet)
so that the number of caps give a bonus to subcaps and subcaps gives a bonus to capital ships.
only then will we lose the big blobbs of ship type XX with dominate the battlefield today.
when its benefical to have several kinds of ship on the field in the fleet the FC will build there fleet with this in mind.
what if a Two titans supported by 20 Subcap ships was more efficent then 5 titans due to the bonuses they present to each other.
Noone enjoys beeing on the reciving end of big nerfs and i my self think tracking titans is pretty fine ...
as long as your not allowed to switch modules in combat as i have no problem with a ship that drop survivability for the ability to hit subcaps .....
and i realy want a ship BS size with low signature radius with XL size weapons that when they got the numbers realy can make a wreck of a Capital ship. make them hard for the capitals to hit and for subcaps easy to hit. and voila you got a Cap killer that cant survive in a subcap enviroment.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
556
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:10:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:i do wish to echo my raiden. friends call for an ability to reprocess titans, however
implement a Capital Ship Disassembly Array, allow titans to be melted down to scrap, so raiden. can reprocess all their titans in a rage I bet they give great salvage after being self destructed Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:17:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Weaselior wrote:i do wish to echo my raiden. friends call for an ability to reprocess titans, however
implement a Capital Ship Disassembly Array, allow titans to be melted down to scrap, so raiden. can reprocess all their titans in a rage I bet they give great salvage after being self destructed
Seems to be only way you are able to kill one. |
Dr 0wnage
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
13
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:26:00 -
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OK, i seriously just spent the past few hours reading through every page of this post. Granted i skimmed a good portion of it or i think id still be somewhere on page 40... anyway all i see are bitching and whining from both sides of this argument and only a handful of actual real constructive posts. I think Shadoo of all damn people has contributed the most to this thread...
SO EVERYBODY, stop a minute and take a look at the situation that has caused this issue. Quite simply its the imbalance between titans and subcaps. Well, i have news that everyone doesn't seem to know... YOU CAN'T BALANCE A 90B ISK SHIP AGAINST A 60M OR 200M ISK SHIP! You just can't do it, it doesn't work! Havn't we figured that out by now?? Titans will NEVER be balanced against battleships!!
The problem is not the titans, its the broken capital ships that are supposed to fill the gap between them and the subs. The food chain that exists in EVE works well all the way up until you hit capital ships. Carriers and Dreads are very simply ineffective against sub-capital fleets. THIS is where the imbalance is! You don't have to be a damn rocket scientist to see it! We admit there's a problem but we don't want to change our current paradigm to fix it.
Lets, just for the sake of argument, say we move dreads and carriers into the anti-sub role. If they can effectively kill supcap fleets then what is their counter? Well supers of course as they can effectively kill cap fleets. But what can kill the super fleet? After some of these changes in the OP, a sub fleet! Rock, Paper, Siscors! ie. balance!!!
There are probably 100 ways to go about this but consider this solution:
Offensive and Defensive scripts for Siege and Triage modules (only changeable while not active)
Offensive Siege script +50% tracking, +50% falloff Defensive Siege script +25% to all resist? Offensive Triage script +100% to fighter dmg (allows drones to be launched) Defensive Triage script + some bonus i can't think of right now
Obviously im focusing on the offensive potential of these scripts to prove a point which is how we can very easily make these ships quite formidable against a sub-cap only fleet. With each ship type having a defined role and counter we will inevitably see more well rounded fleets being fielded.
/me is done beating the dead horse for now... -Doc |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3165
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:39:00 -
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Annabell Prime wrote:Honestly i don't think this is the "right" way to fix it.
The titans should present a viable threat to an enemy fleet.
with this said i think what the game is missing is A combat link instead that promotes fleets of beeing balanced. (Give bonus to fleet on composition of fleet)
so that the number of caps give a bonus to subcaps and subcaps gives a bonus to capital ships.
only then will we lose the big blobbs of ship type XX with dominate the battlefield today.
when its benefical to have several kinds of ship on the field in the fleet the FC will build there fleet with this in mind.
what if a Two titans supported by 20 Subcap ships was more efficent then 5 titans due to the bonuses they present to each other.
Noone enjoys beeing on the reciving end of big nerfs and i my self think tracking titans is pretty fine ...
as long as your not allowed to switch modules in combat as i have no problem with a ship that drop survivability for the ability to hit subcaps .....
and i realy want a ship BS size with low signature radius with XL size weapons that when they got the numbers realy can make a wreck of a Capital ship. make them hard for the capitals to hit and for subcaps easy to hit. and voila you got a Cap killer that cant survive in a subcap enviroment.
thank you for your insights from the hisec veldspar belt
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Derkata
5
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:46:00 -
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Gotta love Andki's responses. I'm pretty sure he is a bot that scans your alliance. If it's a titan using alliance its something to the effect of "bloooo" and if its not a titan alliance its "lulhisec".
You have yet to respond to anyone with any kind of intelligence.
Anyways, back to your trolling. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
305
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:51:00 -
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Derkata wrote:Gotta love Andki's responses. I'm pretty sure he is a bot that scans your alliance. If it's a titan using alliance its something to the effect of "bloooo" and if its not a titan alliance its "lulhisec".
You have yet to respond to anyone with any kind of intelligence.
Anyways, back to your trolling.
lulhisec "all you can eat asteroid buffet" in Amarr space with NOVA 5 corp in Brainfarts alliance |
Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:01:00 -
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Dr 0wnage wrote:OK, i seriously just spent the past few hours reading through every page of this post. Granted i skimmed a good portion of it or i think id still be somewhere on page 40... anyway all i see are bitching and whining from both sides of this argument and only a handful of actual real constructive posts. I think Shadoo of all damn people has contributed the most to this thread...
SO EVERYBODY, stop a minute and take a look at the situation that has caused this issue. Quite simply its the imbalance between titans and subcaps. Well, i have news that everyone doesn't seem to know... YOU CAN'T BALANCE A 90B ISK SHIP AGAINST A 60M OR 200M ISK SHIP! You just can't do it, it doesn't work! Havn't we figured that out by now?? Titans will NEVER be balanced against battleships!!
The problem is not the titans, its the broken capital ships that are supposed to fill the gap between them and the subs. The food chain that exists in EVE works well all the way up until you hit capital ships. Carriers and Dreads are very simply ineffective against sub-capital fleets. THIS is where the imbalance is! You don't have to be a damn rocket scientist to see it! We admit there's a problem but we don't want to change our current paradigm to fix it.
Lets, just for the sake of argument, say we move dreads and carriers into the anti-sub role. If they can effectively kill supcap fleets then what is their counter? Well supers of course as they can effectively kill cap fleets. But what can kill the super fleet? After some of these changes in the OP, a sub fleet! Rock, Paper, Siscors! ie. balance!!!
There are probably 100 ways to go about this but consider this solution:
Offensive and Defensive scripts for Siege and Triage modules (only changeable while not active)
Offensive Siege script +50% tracking, +50% falloff Defensive Siege script +25% to all resist? Offensive Triage script +100% to fighter dmg (allows drones to be launched) Defensive Triage script + some bonus i can't think of right now
Obviously im focusing on the offensive potential of these scripts to prove a point which is how we can very easily make these ships quite formidable against a sub-cap only fleet. With each ship type having a defined role and counter we will inevitably see more well rounded fleets being fielded.
/me is done beating the dead horse for now... -Doc
You are correct ont the biggest problem issue. Titans need tweaking/reworking but dreads (+carriers) need the most work. |
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Derkata
5
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:01:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Derkata wrote:Gotta love Andki's responses. I'm pretty sure he is a bot that scans your alliance. If it's a titan using alliance its something to the effect of "bloooo" and if its not a titan alliance its "lulhisec".
You have yet to respond to anyone with any kind of intelligence.
Anyways, back to your trolling. lulhisec "all you can eat asteroid buffet" in Amarr space with NOVA 5 corp in Brainfarts alliance
You should check how often I play. I think I've played about 3 hours combined since the fall of the NC. So actually "lulfailblob" would be significantly more accurate.
PS: spai info about my corp... but but but I'm not showing my corp/alliance name how do you know?!!? |
Orion GUardian
129
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:09:00 -
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Derkata wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Derkata wrote:Gotta love Andki's responses. I'm pretty sure he is a bot that scans your alliance. If it's a titan using alliance its something to the effect of "bloooo" and if its not a titan alliance its "lulhisec".
You have yet to respond to anyone with any kind of intelligence.
Anyways, back to your trolling. lulhisec "all you can eat asteroid buffet" in Amarr space with NOVA 5 corp in Brainfarts alliance You should check how often I play. I think I've played about 3 hours combined since the fall of the NC. So actually "lulfailblob" would be significantly more accurate. PS: spai info about my corp... but but but I'm not showing my corp/alliance name how do you know?!!?
He could just have looked ingame? |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:17:00 -
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Aurora B wrote:You are correct ont the biggest problem issue. Titans need tweaking/reworking but dreads (+carriers) need the most work.
Yes you're right, the real problem is not that Titan's can destroy subcap fleets, its that dreads and carriers can't. |
Derkata
7
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:27:00 -
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Orion GUardian wrote:Derkata wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Derkata wrote:Gotta love Andki's responses. I'm pretty sure he is a bot that scans your alliance. If it's a titan using alliance its something to the effect of "bloooo" and if its not a titan alliance its "lulhisec".
You have yet to respond to anyone with any kind of intelligence.
Anyways, back to your trolling. lulhisec "all you can eat asteroid buffet" in Amarr space with NOVA 5 corp in Brainfarts alliance You should check how often I play. I think I've played about 3 hours combined since the fall of the NC. So actually "lulfailblob" would be significantly more accurate. PS: spai info about my corp... but but but I'm not showing my corp/alliance name how do you know?!!? He could just have looked ingame?
The internet needs a sarcasm font. I was hoping a bunch of surprised faces would do it but alas. |
Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:27:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Aurora B wrote:You are correct ont the biggest problem issue. Titans need tweaking/reworking but dreads (+carriers) need the most work. Yes you're right, the real problem is not that Titan's can destroy subcap fleets, its that dreads and carriers can't.
But you could possibly get one of those killed without committing your supers, maybe. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
306
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:30:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Aurora B wrote:You are correct ont the biggest problem issue. Titans need tweaking/reworking but dreads (+carriers) need the most work. Yes you're right, the real problem is not that Titan's can destroy subcap fleets, its that dreads and carriers can't.
The real problem is that there aren't enough ultimate ratmobiles in this game.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
306
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:33:00 -
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Derkata wrote:
The internet needs a sarcasm font. I was hoping a bunch of surprised faces would do it but alas.
But then we'd miss a lot of hilarious posts. Anyhow, I wouldn't have posted anything if I hadn't seen "all you can eat asteroid buffet" -- and I'm not picking on it, I just want an excuse to type it. |
Sentinel Eeex
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:34:00 -
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Annabell Prime wrote:Honestly i don't think this is the "right" way to fix it.
The titans should present a viable threat to an enemy fleet.
CCP could maybe implement some mechanics that would allow Titan to damage/destroy all ships on the grid.
Maybe even through a cyno? |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
193
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:46:00 -
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Sentinel Eeex wrote:Annabell Prime wrote:Honestly i don't think this is the "right" way to fix it.
The titans should present a viable threat to an enemy fleet.
CCP could maybe implement some mechanics that would allow Titan to damage/destroy all ships on the grid. Maybe even through a cyno?
I don't think that would be fair. The Titan would still attract some 'risk'.
I propose that all Titan pilots get the ability to kill any and all ships in EVE just by thinking about it. They wouldn't need to log in either.
This would totally balance Titans and fix the problems for Raiden and friends. Errrr, what was this thread about again? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:51:00 -
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Andski is doing some pro posting in here.
In the end, balance was required. People couldn't help themselves. Dictors will at least have a chance at being able to hold down groups of solo titans. Should be interesting times. |
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Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:53:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:Andski is doing some pro posting in here.
In the end, balance was required. People couldn't help themselves. Dictors will at least have a chance at being able to hold down groups of solo titans. Should be interesting times.
Balance yes, "quickfix" never. |
Orion GUardian
129
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:53:00 -
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Well everytime someone hops in a Titan you could give him a "You won eve, logging off now" popup that shuts down his eve....
That way they have still their endgame won, and don't disturb the 99.7% w/o Titan ;) |
Derkata
7
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:54:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Derkata wrote:
The internet needs a sarcasm font. I was hoping a bunch of surprised faces would do it but alas.
But then we'd miss a lot of hilarious posts. Anyhow, I wouldn't have posted anything if I hadn't seen "all you can eat asteroid buffet" -- and I'm not picking on it, I just want an excuse to type it.
Truth be told, I laughed out loud. |
Gistatis Praefectus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:26:00 -
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Acwron wrote:Did I mention this is year 2012 and not 2003? I could swear I did...Grow up and fly some ships, T1 frigates are obsolete.
This is what madposting titan pilots actually believe
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Mirmedon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:30:00 -
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Can blackbirds jam these hideous space dounges yet? |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
403
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:43:00 -
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Mirmedon wrote:Can blackbirds jam these hideous space dounges yet?
No, because ewar immunity is obviously needed and isn't unbalanced at all because, |
Derkata
9
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Posted - 2012.03.16 15:06:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:Mirmedon wrote:Can blackbirds jam these hideous space dounges yet? No, because ewar immunity is obviously needed and isn't unbalanced at all because,
because you still have space duhduhduhdhu o7o7o7o7 |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
307
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Posted - 2012.03.16 15:06:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:Mirmedon wrote:Can blackbirds jam these hideous space dounges yet? No, because ewar immunity is obviously needed and isn't unbalanced at all because,
nobody pays 80b isk for a limp space donge.
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Derkata
9
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Posted - 2012.03.16 15:12:00 -
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Gonna need to change the avatar to not look like a dong, maybe make it an anus to symbolize these changes.
EDIT: or at least make it flaccid now |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
404
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Posted - 2012.03.16 15:24:00 -
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Avatar = Butte Plug Erebus = Boot Leviathan = Jew Nose Ragnarok = Javelin |
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