Originally by: eliminator2

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP.

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i have seem some clips of it it seems brilant yes but y have this feature wen the server might not be able to with stand it i mean the server lags/breaks down now wait till nearly every1 is walking around a station constantly making the server load things more than ussual etc jita known as lag city it lags like mad now with 500-600+ pple init wait till every1 starts moving around stations and buying things no1 will be able to load the server or log on there will be millions of stuck petitions made laggin the server and making ccp break down with yet more stress or do u guys stress now with the money u guys earn from this new pay rise/increase on GTC payments

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Originally by: eliminator2

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Originally by: Tharukan Desm'ar

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Originally by: eliminator2

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP.

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i have seem some clips of it it seems brilant yes but y have this feature wen the server might not be able to with stand it i mean the server lags/breaks down now wait till nearly every1 is walking around a station constantly making the server load things more than ussual etc jita known as lag city it lags like mad now with 500-600+ pple init wait till every1 starts moving around stations and buying things no1 will be able to load the server or log on there will be millions of stuck petitions made laggin the server and making ccp break down with yet more stress or do u guys stress now with the money u guys earn from this new pay rise/increase on GTC payments

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Dont need to worry about that. Ambulations on seperate servers just like the market.

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so y does jita lag wen u r buying stuff or just opening market/contracts ONLI in JITA

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Originally by: Casino Alkasar

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Originally by: eliminator2

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP.

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i have seem some clips of it it seems brilant yes but y have this feature wen the server might not be able to with stand it i mean the server lags/breaks down now wait till nearly every1 is walking around a station constantly making the server load things more than ussual etc jita known as lag city it lags like mad now with 500-600+ pple init wait till every1 starts moving around stations and buying things no1 will be able to load the server or log on there will be millions of stuck petitions made laggin the server and making ccp break down with yet more stress or do u guys stress now with the money u guys earn from this new pay rise/increase on GTC payments

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Did you actualy read the posts here?
Here facts again:
Ambulation client is an offspring of *the world of darkness* mmorpg in developement atm
by another Team of CCP, i don¦t think you can talk em into quiting that and to transfer those people to the eve project.

The Ambulation client will run on another server, *instanced* if that tells you more
lag on those servers shouldnt affect the other server

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Originally by: eliminator2

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Originally by: Casino Alkasar

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Originally by: eliminator2

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP.

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i have seem some clips of it it seems brilant yes but y have this feature wen the server might not be able to with stand it i mean the server lags/breaks down now wait till nearly every1 is walking around a station constantly making the server load things more than ussual etc jita known as lag city it lags like mad now with 500-600+ pple init wait till every1 starts moving around stations and buying things no1 will be able to load the server or log on there will be millions of stuck petitions made laggin the server and making ccp break down with yet more stress or do u guys stress now with the money u guys earn from this new pay rise/increase on GTC payments

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Did you actualy read the posts here?
Here facts again:
Ambulation client is an offspring of *the world of darkness* mmorpg in developement atm
by another Team of CCP, i don¦t think you can talk em into quiting that and to transfer those people to the eve project.

The Ambulation client will run on another server, *instanced* if that tells you more
lag on those servers shouldnt affect the other server

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and can u read they say it SHOULDNT but i can garente it will lag and y is every1 so up for the walk in station in stead of fixing wat we have r u carebears or sumert that got the lofty scam out of the way and makin pvp more and more die so u guys can get more isk i have 1 thing for u u loose pvpers u loose customers

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Originally by: Tharukan Desm'ar

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Originally by: eliminator2

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Originally by: Casino Alkasar

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Originally by: eliminator2

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP.

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i have seem some clips of it it seems brilant yes but y have this feature wen the server might not be able to with stand it i mean the server lags/breaks down now wait till nearly every1 is walking around a station constantly making the server load things more than ussual etc jita known as lag city it lags like mad now with 500-600+ pple init wait till every1 starts moving around stations and buying things no1 will be able to load the server or log on there will be millions of stuck petitions made laggin the server and making ccp break down with yet more stress or do u guys stress now with the money u guys earn from this new pay rise/increase on GTC payments

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Did you actualy read the posts here?
Here facts again:
Ambulation client is an offspring of *the world of darkness* mmorpg in developement atm
by another Team of CCP, i don¦t think you can talk em into quiting that and to transfer those people to the eve project.

The Ambulation client will run on another server, *instanced* if that tells you more
lag on those servers shouldnt affect the other server

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and can u read they say it SHOULDNT but i can garente it will lag and y is every1 so up for the walk in station in stead of fixing wat we have r u carebears or sumert that got the lofty scam out of the way and makin pvp more and more die so u guys can get more isk i have 1 thing for u u loose pvpers u loose customers

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So you think ambulation will kill the game? Why? Plus if anything ambulation will be an entirely optional isk cost for most if anything.

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Originally by: eliminator2

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the servers have to link up some how for them to be insync with each other woudnt that make the lag cross through both servers makin it even worse yet again?

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Originally by: Lui Kai

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Originally by: eliminator2

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the servers have to link up some how for them to be insync with each other woudnt that make the lag cross through both servers makin it even worse yet again?

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I'm assuming English is not your primary language, so I'm trying to be generous when translating your posts, and using small words to help you understand your mistakes.

You misunderstand exactly how server resources are used. When a player is doing something - locking a target or running around in very small circles on top of a bar - the data of what they're doing has to be sent to the server, then the server sends a reply, the client replies with any changes, et cetera ad infinitum.

If ambulation is on a separate resource to the real node, then their running in circles won't affect your locking targets at all, until they switch back to "in pod" - at which point it would have exactly the same drain on server resources as if they had logged in.

So, to clarify - while they're running about out of pod ****ing each other, they're creating less lag for those of us who don't give a flip. When they get back into their pod - they're creating the same amount of lag they would have created if ambulation never existed.

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Originally by: Lui Kai

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Originally by: eliminator2

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the servers have to link up some how for them to be insync with each other woudnt that make the lag cross through both servers makin it even worse yet again?

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I'm assuming English is not your primary language, so I'm trying to be generous when translating your posts, and using small words to help you understand your mistakes.

You misunderstand exactly how server resources are used. When a player is doing something - locking a target or running around in very small circles on top of a bar - the data of what they're doing has to be sent to the server, then the server sends a reply, the client replies with any changes, et cetera ad infinitum.

If ambulation is on a separate resource to the real node, then their running in circles won't affect your locking targets at all, until they switch back to "in pod" - at which point it would have exactly the same drain on server resources as if they had logged in.

So, to clarify - while they're running about out of pod ****ing each other, they're creating less lag for those of us who don't give a flip. When they get back into their pod - they're creating the same amount of lag they would have created if ambulation never existed.

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Originally by: Alpha Prime

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There simple is not many players left in EVE that enjoys a good fight. Most alliances are about making isk and sitting in their safe & secured cynojammed systems counting their assets, living happely ever after.

Other players are the other way around. They can't stand pvp and all they wanna do is make isk *cough* ebay *cough*.

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Originally by: Alpha Prime

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Where has EVE gone when it can't even handle 1 alliance moving around?

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Originally by: Buhhdust Princess

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So, if people are all going to the other server.

What's gunna happen to Tranquility?

UH OH, EVE MAY NOT BE AS BIG AS BEFORE!

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I see ambulation being as big a fail as faction warfare.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL

Originally by: eliminator2

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sorry for not been an ultra nerd and having learning difficulties but every1's point of view counts on such things ccp do i am just sayin not to get rid of the idea but to put it a side and to fix the current lag wether the new idea causes more lag wich it might or might not but id say fix the problems we have now instead of making that first and proberbly sayin DT EXTENDED 1 HOUR FOR THE NEW RELEASE few mins later DT DELAYED 1 HOUR MORE THAN WAS EXPECTED 2 hours later DT WILL BE UP IN 3 DAYS

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Originally by: Alpha Prime

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Edited by: Alpha Prime on 13/07/2008 13:11:04

Ever since we've heard & seen this, i have spoken to alot of
players concerning this waste of manhours gone into this
huge waste of effort.

Every player i've spoken to, wants a stable EVE before we even
think about being able to walk inside stations. Yet, CCP continues
to ignore our request/need for stability and keeps adding
new content which is currently not needed.

This last year i've seen almost all veteran players i know
of, leave EVE because its boring. No one wants to fight these
alliance laggwars. And eventhou Oveur, hilmar and CCP keeps praising
about their 'new hardware' and 'super computers', we never
get to fully enjoy the capacity that EVE could have.

I've played EVE since beta and i can honestly say that EVE
is boring the crap out of me atm, and im not the only one.
If it weren't for the community and all the crazy players
i know, i would not play this game anymore. The only thing
EVE offers at this time, is 3 things.

Alliancelaggwars.
occasional Gank.
Make isk.

There simple is not many players left in EVE that enjoys a good
fight. Most alliances are about making isk and sitting in their
safe & secured cynojammed systems counting their assets, living
happely ever after.

EVE for me, is about warfare and pvp. I'm not happy if i don't get
to shoot an enemy for some time. I can't stand making isk, its boring.
Other players are the other way around. They can't stand pvp and
all they wanna do is make isk *cough* ebay *cough*.

And then we have CCP, the makers and the destroyers of this world.

They brought us the dreads, the carriers, the moms and the titans.
But what they didn't bring us, was the stability to effectivly
use them, and they also failed to imagine how we would use them.

No alliance will ever use a fullout capitalship assult without the
backup of a fleet. Much less field a titan without massive support.
But we all know what happens when 2 alliances meet up for a fistfight.

Hell.. a few days ago when i was jumping in an alliance operation,
we were sitting at gates for 30 minutes waiting for a system to load.

Where has EVE gone when it can't even handle 1 alliance moving around?

Keep that in mind, and then try to imagine how it would be like when
jumping into a fight, or even trying to fight in a system with 400 players.

It wasn't long ago when i was involved in a fight where we were not even 300
players in the system in total, and most of us could not even load.

Yet, CCP still insists on non needed game developement.

I haven't spoken to one person that is positive about this
station ambulation and you still insist on developing it instead
of taking all that manhours & funds and spend it on giving us some stability.

My last petition about the serverstability ended with the response
that in short said 'dont hold your breath'.

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP.

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP.

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So it will be shown on fan fest... nice.

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Originally by: FanFest 2008 page

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This year we're also going to provide something extraordinary: A special hands-on demo of Walking in Stations, using CCP's new Ambulation Technology. You'll be able to sit down and interact with character avatars live at FanFest. This will be the first public demonstration of EVE with Walking in Stations and we expect this experience to be a huge draw.

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Originally by: Jacob Mei

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It boggles the mind that there are people this stupid and bull headed. Seriously, your the type that makes a donkey look like a Standford Grad.

How many times have the devs said that:

1. The engine is being developed by another team
2. Ambulation will have no effect on the current game system, IE you will NEVER have to leave your ship for ANYTHING.
3. Ambulation will be hosted on a seperate server.

Seriously I am amazed that CCP hasnt decided to put a "talk about ambulation = ban hammer" policy into effect yet just to stop the spread of the bull headed ignorance of these individuals.

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I take it, then, that English is your primary language, and you're in some way functionally ******ed, in which case my treatment of your posts is no less valid.

I really don't know smaller words to try and get this across to you.

You have:

1. Adding ambulation.

and:

2. Fixing lag.


Consider these like being:

1. Eating a cheeseburger.

and

2. Thinking about trees.


The two actions have no effect on one another. Doing one does not, in any way, attract or detract from the other. They are not, in any possible combination, exclusive to each other.

I personally don't give a toss about ambulation. I personally would like lag to be fixed. But stopping ambulation in no way furthers my desire to see lag fixed.

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Originally by: CCP Atropos

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How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP.

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Originally by: eliminator2

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sorry for not been an ultra nerd and having learning difficulties but every1's point of view counts on such things ccp do i am just sayin not to get rid of the idea but to put it a side and to fix the current lag wether the new idea causes more lag wich it might or might not but id say fix the problems we have now instead of making that first and proberbly sayin DT EXTENDED 1 HOUR FOR THE NEW RELEASE few mins later DT DELAYED 1 HOUR MORE THAN WAS EXPECTED 2 hours later DT WILL BE UP IN 3 DAYS

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