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Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:33:00 - [91] Originally by: Alpha Prime Edited by: Alpha Prime on 13/07/2008 17:22:18 Originally by: CCP Atropos How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP. See what ?. See Oveur once again dodging questions about lag with his 'iwannabeefun' answer Can't you all be friends?. Me, including everyone i've spoken to, has ZERO interest in this ambulationdevelopement. We want stable servers. If we wanted to walk in stations, we would play another game. As it is now, we have been shooting ships for 5 years, and we want to keep shooting ships. We dont want to pick a dress or pants for our avatar. And if you can't sort the lag, why give us ships that require huge supportfleets?. Noone will bring a titan to a hostile system without 100+support.. So you and the unknown number of nameless individuals that you have talked too make up the vast majority of EvE's 200k+ subscription base and therefore those of us who are saying we would like Ambulation are clearly in the minority or were not present when you were making your rounds asking for input and opinion about Ambulation. Well then, allow me to clearify my position on Ambulation: I would very much like Ambulation. I feel that being able to walk around in stations will offer the game a new dimension of gameplay for those who enjoy the role play aspect of this game. Further more, the fact that one will never have to leave their ships should they not want to is a smart move on the part of the developers so that those who want no part in this aspect in the game can continue to function without being impeded with having to leave their vessels. There, now you know atleast 1 person (if you ignore everyone else who has posted in this thread) that wants Ambulation -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Slapnuts MkGee Caldari Scoopex Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:40:00 - [92] Originally by: Alpha Prime Me, including everyone i've spoken to, has ZERO interest in this ambulationdevelopement. We want stable servers. If we wanted to walk in stations, we would play another game. As it is now, we have been shooting ships for 5 years, and we want to keep shooting ships. We dont want to pick a dress or pants for our avatar. And if you can't sort the lag, why give us ships that require huge supportfleets?. Noone will bring a titan to a hostile system without 100+support.. Quit your crying. This sounds more like, "I am in BoB...and we rule the galaxy. So, listen to us and accept what we say, or you're all a bunch of morons." I could give a rats rear what you, your corpies, and the rest of BoB thinks about Ambulation. There are plenty of us that would like a little more depth to the EVE experience, and Ambulation looks like it may be a step towards that. Just because you and your clique don't want it doesn't mean that the rest of us don't. That guy with the silly name.
Eel Sushi Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:43:00 - [93] bobthread
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:45:00 - [94] Originally by: Alpha Prime Me, including everyone i've spoken to, has ZERO interest in this ambulationdevelopement. We want stable servers. If we wanted to walk in stations, we would play another game. As it is now, we have been shooting ships for 5 years, and we want to keep shooting ships. An alliance sheep who only wants UT in Space? Who would've guessed? - DesuSigs
Haleuth Amarr Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:46:00 - [95] I think ambulation could be a good thing if it enabled me to be able to kick down someones corp office and chuck a grenade in when they dock up. But alas it will be designed with carebears in mind, where one can get a haircut, a pair of pink pants and a pint of space brew. Eve was much better when all you could do was mine, build and blow shit up. Haleuth
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:50:00 - [96] Edited by: Grimpak on 13/07/2008 17:50:18 Originally by: gasnor I see ambulation being as big a fail as faction warfare. and from my short experience in FW, that would mean that it would be an ok expansion Originally by: Alpha Prime Me, including everyone i've spoken to, has ZERO interest in this ambulationdevelopement. We want stable servers. well, if you stop playing the "OMFG I BRING BLOB WREAAAAH!" game, and join an empire pvp corp (like a mercenary, or even better, pirates), you will notice that, bar the systems where there is massive lag/populations during primetime, you actually can enjoy near lag-free, or no lag at all, pvp. Originally by: Alpha Prime If we wanted to walk in stations, we would play another game. As it is now, we have been shooting ships for 5 years, and we want to keep shooting ships. We dont want to pick a dress or pants for our avatar. you are not required to get out of your ship when ambulation arrives, like today with FW: you can choose to not participate at all. Originally by: Alpha Prime And if you can't sort the lag, why give us ships that require huge supportfleets?. Noone will bring a titan to a hostile system without 100+support.. don't bring a titan then? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:56:00 - [97] I bet you a year from now this guy is going to complain about planetary flight and the planetary RTS warfare. New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:58:00 - [98] Originally by: Nova Fox I bet you a year from now this guy is going to complain about planetary flight and the planetary RTS warfare. well, I was here when they complained about Castor. I was here when they complained about Exodus. I was here when they complained about RMR and all the other expansions. yet, many of them are still here. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:04:00 - [99] Originally by: Grimpak yet, many of them are still here. Gasp! You mean they didn't leave and give people their stuff?! Amazing! - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:06:00 - [100] Originally by: Alpha Prime Every player i've spoken to, wants a stable EVE before we even think about being able to walk inside stations. Yet, CCP continues to ignore our request/need for stability and keeps adding new content which is currently not needed. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=821619 This is why your games unplayable atm ---------------------------------------------
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:18:00 - [101] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques Originally by: Grimpak yet, many of them are still here. Gasp! You mean they didn't leave and give people their stuff?! Amazing! well, I've been playing since december 2003, and bar a 1-month break here and there, I'm still here --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:24:00 - [102] well i like how eve is evolving so any mean to completly break away from other mmos ill welcome espeically if it cuts the population in jita in half. New Ship Idea: Tender Supply Ship, The Logistics Sister
Laura Baretta Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:26:00 - [103] If they remove lag in 1000 ship battles, there will be 10000 ship battles. It's a neverending story. Please resize imageto a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:32:00 - [104] Originally by: Buhhdust Princess Seriously CCP. the OP has a valid point and really ALL veteran eve players are so annoyed with the fact you keep upgrading and upgrading things we don't even need. Just again for you I'm not annoyed by it - I hardly ever see any lag. I know many veterans and by and large they are indifferent. We've had to put up with lots of issues over the years and we've adapted. We wouldn't still be here if we were going to get worked up over it. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Mangala Solaris Caldari Ma'adim Logistics	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:33:00 - [105] Originally by: CCP Atropos As for the tickets, I think they're due to go up for sale soon, if they aren't available currently. Alas, I'm no marketing guru, so can't say for sure Cheers anyway, I figured they would be soon (the early bird packages finish on the 15th). -------
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:41:00 - [106] Originally by: Alpha Prime Waah Waah Waah Look mommy that other alliance is using lag to win battles like we used too.... Waah Waah Waah Adapt or move on....isn't that what BoB has told others time and again. If you want to fix lag then you need to do the following: 1. Upgrade the supercomputer that runs EVE so that it can handle accurately all calculations in milliseconds. 2. Upgrade all computers used by all players to be able to handle all calculations in milliseconds. 3. Upgrade the internet to be able to transit data from source computer to supercomputer and back again in milliseconds. That is the only way you will ever remove lag. Price tag in the hundreds of millions and possibly billions of dollars.
InSession Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:04:00 - [107] Originally by: Alpha Prime Stuff You just need to figure out what you like in EVE and stick with it. Maybe you're bored because your in a big alliance that (in my opinion) isn't in a very good region to roam out of. Laggy fleet fights boring - Agreed Easy ganks with a 20+ man gang boring - Agreed Make ISK boring - Agreed So, make it more challenging. Go roam by yourself, or go roam with only a few other guys. If you do it enough you can get some really fun skirmish fights, or even get outnumbered but still have the ability to kill a few and then run off. It's moments like that that keep me playing EVE. I agree though, Ambulation isn't something I am too thrilled about. I'd much rather have stupid things like (0m from stargate JUMP! - "You must be 2500m from stargate" WTF!?) fixed.
Riven Nightwing Lords of New Eden The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:20:00 - [108] Originally by: Crumplecorn Optional content developed by a different team. To the OP - dear God, yes. I agree! To the quote above - this is the same excuse that CCP has given us for each of their "new developments" to EVE. But it is just a red herring. The issue is that they COULD have spent that money on a programming team to FIX the UI and all the lag issues in the existing game. Instead they chose to "waste" it on a non-essential extension to the game that is really only more eye candy in a game that is top heavy with eye candy and desperately weak on a UI design.
Rexthor Hammerfists Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:24:00 - [109] Originally by: Alpha Prime stupid/troll Speak for yourself. -
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:24:00 - [110] Originally by: Riven Nightwing The issue is that they COULD have spent that money on a programming team to FIX the UI and all the lag issues in the existing game. What part of "different team" don't you people understand? The only other option was to develop the WoD engine but have EVE gain no benefit from it at all. While that would have been a net loss for everyone (CCP get no beta test and no new demographic, players get no new content) involved, it would keep the whiners happy. - DesuSigs
Phantasmo GoonWaffe	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:29:00 - [111] CCP needs to just DELETE all capital ships, period. Make the game fun again. Get rid of the drone lag in one swoop.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:36:00 - [112] so...? i'm sorry CCP but although the guy is from bob, i have to agree -.- the number of concurrent users has stagnated. we've had need-for-speed™. the result was less "i'm stuck in jita" topics but that's it. besides... it took 43minutes yesterday from clicking >>>undock to getting my first overview content in perimeter (no... not a freighter, a nano scimitar). i lost the previous one to a good ole' desync (i _am_ within 2500m of the gate ffs!) travelled half an hour to jita, waas stuck there for an hour, half an hour retour. by the time i met up with the gang, it was all over - so much for PvP. "plz send in a bug report"? if you keep sending the most obvious ones back saying irreproducable...? i can listen to george michael's "faith" only so ~~many~~ few times. quit chasing media attention and get the work at hand done. there's latencies in ice mining gangs of 30 up to the point where cycles get lost due to exceeded cargoholds. desync is omnipresent: orbiting someone in a belt for a minute (pvp, that is) and you can't rely on your position one bit anymore. can't have it both ways? yeah... right... what about windows that were supposed to stay where we told them to (overview refuses to stay away from "selected item", the joys of the drone window, etc) solutions for dysp (or moon mining in general)? assault frigs? transport ships (the larger ones)? commander spawn loot table repairs? ('cause i don't see an influx of machariel BPC from missionrunners in curse any time soon, which covered up the problem thus far) null-sec incentives (especially for places between -0.00 and -0.55)? combat drugs (production)? the interbus thingy you wanted to "look into"? the thing which would deliver stuff anywhere in the constellation? outpost upgrades? rigs? capital ships? (small and agile just doesn't work there. the remote rep bonus is cute but that's it...) the general method of game balancing... always too much across the board, both direct and indirect (see: the drone nerfs, the laser boosts) when years-old minnies, who stood against m.a.t.a.r. - "might aswell train another race", cross-train amarr and pulse lasers these days, you know where it's at. "hey... it was worse two years ago" yes, but not a year ago. i admit i get used to stuff (although i still prefer the old map) and i'm probably spoiled when it comes to one or more topics. but there are lots of flaws affecting the basics and thus everybody. so it is more than natural to want these things get fixed before any more source of complications ties up any more manpower which you obviously lack already. - putting the gist back into logistics
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:37:00 - [113] I'm looking forward to Ambulation :) Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:39:00 - [114] Originally by: Roemy Schneider Adding more programmers to make coding go faster, especially ones working in an unrelated area. Awesome - DesuSigs
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.07.13 20:04:00 - [115] Yes, yes. Lag. Sure it is annoying that the servers can't keep up with the advancements in game. Who would have even dreamed of 350 capital ships in a fleet 2 years ago? So yes, the in game development is really astounding and the servers cannot cope with it. So ... what do you suggest? That CCP should stop all work on other projects and assign all available resources to fight the lag? And how do you know that they don't spend a lot of manpower on reducing the lag? I am sure they are. On the other hand ... I really doubt that all the designers and artists can help with building up the planned supercomputer (a devblog about how it goes might be good though ), don't you think so? I for my part are really looking forward to the Ambulation (at least if CCP is doing that what I hope they are doing ).
JanoMark smoking blunts Mutual Assured Destruction	Posted - 2008.07.13 20:04:00 - [116] Lots of people want Ambulation. I'm looking forward to taking peoples isk playing poker ;D Also CCP wont be able to fix lag. Like others have said, if CCP says now systems can have 400 ppl in one system with no lag, people will push it and try for 500. Then people will whine about the lag again. It's probably best to compare it to ancient warfare where the size of an army mostly determined the outcome. It will be awhile before we shift to the phase where tactics and some good luck will determine outcomes of battles.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine	Posted - 2008.07.13 20:05:00 - [117] Originally by: JanoMark Lots of people want Ambulation. I'm looking forward to taking peoples isk playing poker ;D Also CCP wont be able to fix lag. Like others have said, if CCP says now systems can have 400 ppl in one system with no lag, people will push it and try for 500. Then people will whine about the lag again. It's probably best to compare it to ancient warfare where the size of an army mostly determined the outcome. It will be awhile before we shift to the phase where tactics and some good luck will determine outcomes of battles. what this guy said Please, jump into traffic
Aclyn Seriy Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.07.13 20:44:00 - [118] Just posting in a de-railed and crap thread because I'm bored. P.S To the OP, your an idiot. I would love to explain why, but due to the fact you are obviously an idiot and a troll I fear you wouldn't understand. Originally by: techzer0 I'm the failboat captain
FluterEx Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.13 20:52:00 - [119] Edited by: FluterEx on 13/07/2008 20:54:58 For the idiots who think ambulation will add to the lag: YOU ARE WRONG. You should start thinking logic before you start ranting about something. Lets take Jita for example. The way it is now all of the carebears hanging around there are sitting at a gate, infront of Jita 4-4 or docked at Jita 4-4. This creates a lot of lag because everything has to be processed by the (i can only guess so correct me if i am wrong) one server. This obviousley is sometimes to much for the server to handle. Now if ambulation is released and there is a additional server that processes all the data from the docked ppl this doesnt need to be processed by the server that handles the usual flying content anymore. And i assume a lot of ppl who spen most of their time docked and do some market sniping will enjoy to see something else than their ship. and i think lots of ppl who use to park their ships infront of the station will dock too. So ambulation will help fixing the lag until more carebears go to jita and cry carebear tears for being stuck or lagged.And dont forget it will for sure be nice for the Rpers (i am not a active Rper but sometimes its nice to do). I personally am looking forward to the release of ambulation. --------------------------------------- Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Armoured C Gallente The Aztecs Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.13 20:54:00 - [120] 5 pages least ambiulation is getting good advertisment if you didnt know what it was op is failtroll

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