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Delilah Blackheart
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:45:00 -
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Giant alliances which claim an entire region or three that travel in huge capital blobs = CRAP & Not Wanted.  |
Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:47:00 -
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I do not expect to use Ambulation (much).
I applaud and admire CCP for having the wisdom to keep expanding and developing their game.
Depth ftw.
Ambulation ftw.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Uncle Mo
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:49:00 -
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/agree with the OP
Every development Dollar/Euro should be put into hardware improvments. CCP made the decision to put cap ships into the game; now it's time to support them with hardware and software that can handle their mechanics lag free. Until CCP upgrades their system to quickly handle the AOE calculations of a Titan's DD, they have failed. It wasn't my decision to add game mechanics that required 100 vs. 100 fleets.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Nathan Baxter
Whenever we have ambulation we need fishing also ... what's an MMORPG without fishing ... what could be better then mining for hours ... fishing for hours ...
Nathan
Gatecamp=Fishing
Gatecamping == camping (FPS) != fishing
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: CCP Atropos
How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP.
A lot of us don't give a flying copulation about having avatars beyond portraits.
We signed up for a massive internet spaceship game and we want internet spaceships on a massive scale. Not hello kittay online.
I'm a two, pushing three year vet, and unsurprisingly, I'm with the OP.
I'd rather have broken things fixed and performance improved than ambulation.
I signed up for an MMO with a massive market, including a stockmarket, a black market and an ability to work the scenes using a strong charisma attribute to my advantage, so far it's been gank, gank, gank and gank.
What you percieved EVE to be isn't necessarily what everyone else imagined. 
Then I guess I wasn't speaking for you then. But what does that have to do with the subject this thread is about?
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NightmareX
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Mo
/agree with the OP
Every development Dollar/Euro should be put into hardware improvments. CCP made the decision to put cap ships into the game; now it's time to support them with hardware and software that can handle their mechanics lag free. Until CCP upgrades their system to quickly handle the AOE calculations of a Titan's DD, they have failed. It wasn't my decision to add game mechanics that required 100 vs. 100 fleets.
They are putting alot of money into the Infiniband thing that is the best thing you can get for game servers i think. So i don't think it will work any better if they double the amount of money into more hardware when it can't be better than it is with the Infiniband.
So i think it's very nice of CCP to spend money on something else in EVE, like new things like ambulation.
I have been in EVE for over 4 years, and the worst thing i know is if the game developers doesn't make new things in the game, and then it goes over and over and over and over all the time with no new things. That's a good reason why many of us are getting very bored of EVE.
But if they are making new things in EVE it might keep us old players in the game. And also bring alot more players to the game.
Like the factional warfare, it was a very nice thing to get in EVE, because it brings us pirates ALOT of targets in low sec, and it makes us pirates happy .
And i'm sure the ambulation also will keep us old players happy.
The more we can do in EVE the better it is.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:08:00 -
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You are Alpha and Prime. Adapt or leave. I would hate for you to leave because you helped make EVE what it is. I would also love to see you leave because that makes my SP's look that much better.
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
Hieronimus Rex
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Adapt or leave.
I don't get this claim/argument. Why should we complacently stand by as CCP screws up an otherwise good game and wastes resources. The whole point of the CSM (assuming it isn't just a publicity stunt) was supposedly to encourage player feedback. That's exactly what this thread is an IMO the OP has a very good point.
Ambulation, while common in mainstream MMOs, is not necessary for EVE. I play eve because it isn't just another MMO. The devs seem to agree with this sentiment (for example they refuse to shard, even though thats probably more efficient). Yet here they are making it just yet another MMO.
They will be forced to split developer resources in half - between ambulation bugs/stuff/OMG I WANT GUNS FOR AMBULATION and what EVE was meant to be - a space combat game with a dynamic item production system.
Do you subscribe to the "love it or leave it" philosophy with the country you live in?
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Daelin Blackleaf
The Reclaimed
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Angela Toren
they are resolute in the stance that they will not shard the server either even though several 5000 player servers would make large scale fleet combat enjoyable.
No.
It's technically wrong because having less people on other nodes won't stop the lag on the node with the "large scale fleet combat".
But more importantly it would destroy most of what EVE is at a social and political level.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:45:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Hieronimus Rex
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Adapt or leave.
I don't get this claim/argument. Why should we complacently stand by as CCP screws up an otherwise good game and wastes resources. The whole point of the CSM (assuming it isn't just a publicity stunt) was supposedly to encourage player feedback. That's exactly what this thread is an IMO the OP has a very good point.
Ambulation, while common in mainstream MMOs, is not necessary for EVE. I play eve because it isn't just another MMO. The devs seem to agree with this sentiment (for example they refuse to shard, even though thats probably more efficient). Yet here they are making it just yet another MMO.
They will be forced to split developer resources in half - between ambulation bugs/stuff/OMG I WANT GUNS FOR AMBULATION and what EVE was meant to be - a space combat game with a dynamic item production system.
Do you subscribe to the "love it or leave it" philosophy with the country you live in?
First off, adapt or leave is what all the veterans spouted to newer players when they asked questions when I started playing.
Secondly, No resources from EVEs development team are working on anything associated with ambulation. These individuals were hired to work on the White Wolf World of Darkness project. If these people were not hired for this project CCP would not have hired them at all.
Thirdly, it was the OP that stated that so many of the veterans he knows have quite, not I.
Fourthly, ambulation will not make it like every other MMO because you do not have to participate; period. I for one will make limited use of it because I have no need for it, but I do see it as a positive plus because I would like to see the World of Darkness game make it and if the EVE player base can help with that so be it.
Play and enjoy it. Play and hate it or leave. It is that simple, no amount of wine is going to stop this from happening. The only thing yall can hope for is that The World of Darkness fails. At which point yall can come back and say I told you so.
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.14 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Secondly, No resources from EVEs development team are working on anything associated with ambulation.
Technically true, EVE Devs were not likely diverted to the "Distract-u-lation" project, however, what a lot of people are actually arguing is that CCP's financial resources should have been spent on EVE-O stuff, and more capable/qualified developers to rewrite and improve their buggy and overtaxed code base instead of just doing a lot more advertising.
Even more ironically, CCP is still advertising the massive fleet combat that does not work, but most new players don't find that out until CCP has already extracted a few months of subscription revenue from them.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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LordSwift
INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE
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Posted - 2008.07.14 19:12:00 -
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Dont goddamn play eve anymore then. It is coming out whether you want to or now. and you will still play it
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
Nex Super Vos
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Posted - 2008.07.14 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha Prime
Stuff
Number one, your stuff, contract it to me at your earlies opportunity.
Number two, BoB isn't living up to that slanderous title BoD. If you were a dev, or knew a dev, you'd realize how stupid people are when they say stuff like "fix the game before you add new content!!!" If CCP were to fix all of the known issues (probably numbering anywere from 20 thousand to 40 thousand) you'd never see new content--it would take years to "fix" all the bugs.
That's why companies like CCP, Blizzard, SOE, Turbine, etc, etc work at fixing critical issues while also developing new content. If they didn't develop new content, bud, the game would still be in its 2003 state and everyone (yourself included) would have gotten bored a long time ago and left eve. Its as simple as that.
Thankfully though, there isn't an MMO company in existence who would operate in the way you'd like CCP to operate... If MMO companies were to live up to your ideal, the whole ****ing industry would be dead in a year.
Third, I am an older player relative to the year we're in now (starting playing early 2006) and I can't wait for ambulation. The ability to see and walk around in your avatar, in my mind, would change eve from being a great game to one of the best games ever made.
-Karlemgne
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
Number two, BoB isn't living up to that slanderous title BoD. If you were a dev, or knew a dev, you'd realize how stupid people are when they say stuff like "fix the game before you add new content!!!" If CCP were to fix all of the known issues (probably numbering anywere from 20 thousand to 40 thousand) you'd never see new content--it would take years to "fix" all the bugs.
Not to mention that artists, modelers, writers, etc, don't fix bugs. They create new content. Not everyone that works for a game company is a programmer.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
They are putting alot of money into the Infiniband thing that is the best thing you can get for game servers i think. So i don't think it will work any better if they double the amount of money into more hardware when it can't be better than it is with the Infiniband.
You guys are so gullible. Infiniband is cheap technology nowdays and it won't help when CCP has single-threaded node code and apparently crappy ISP uplinks.
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So i think it's very nice of CCP to spend money on something else in EVE, like ambulation.
Um... That makes no sense.
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But if they are making new things in EVE it might keep us old players in the game. And also bring alot more players to the game.
Hint: people who have played EVE for 4+ years didn't stay because of the shiny new ship models and also not because they're holding their breath for Ambulation. They want to shoot stuff in space and it is getting increasingly annoying and pointless due to lag. If CCP wants to keep these players, they better fix it ASAP.
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Like the factional warfare, it was a very nice thing to get in EVE, because it brings us pirates ALOT of targets in low sec, and it makes us pirates happy.
FW is for noobs mostly, you can see that clearly from the forums. Sure, it's important to keep new players coming to EVE (esp. those tired of WoW), but they will leave much sooner than those who have endured all the problems for 4-5 years.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Borg9
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:32:00 -
[256]
CCP ignore op he does not represent the majority of eve players. I'm looking forward to your expansion. Oh yea, op can I have ur stuf?
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Nicho Void
Hyper-Nova
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:33:00 -
[257]
Faction Warfare = CRAP & Not Wanted
...wait...wrong preemtive ***** thread.
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Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:44:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Nicho Void
Faction Warfare = CRAP & Not Wanted
...wait...wrong preemtive ***** thread.
That was proved true, FW is a pile of steaming ****.
Originally by: Fanboy turned dev
'How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it'
Seen what? My character walking around a few rooms? Maybe how awesome his boots look with the lighting? Am I going to be able to kill someone in a station? No. How about stealing from them? Whoops nope again.
Tell me again what there is that would make this expansion even remotely worthwhile other than for wow/second life rejects and CCP's bottom line?
EVE Online Customer Support <- It would be nice if this actually existed.
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Wen Jaibao
Soul Ripper Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:54:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Kwa Kaine
Originally by: Nicho Void
Faction Warfare = CRAP & Not Wanted
...wait...wrong preemtive ***** thread.
That was proved true, FW is a pile of steaming ****.
Originally by: Fanboy turned dev
'How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it'
Seen what? My character walking around a few rooms? Maybe how awesome his boots look with the lighting? Am I going to be able to kill someone in a station? No. How about stealing from them? Whoops nope again.
Tell me again what there is that would make this expansion even remotely worthwhile other than for wow/second life rejects and CCP's bottom line?
So...
Can I have your stuff?
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Zinras
Caldari
Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:11:00 -
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Fools, all of you.
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
*moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
That si a fact comming out from my bran.
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J Valkor
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kwa Kaine
Originally by: Nicho Void
Faction Warfare = CRAP & Not Wanted
...wait...wrong preemtive ***** thread.
That was proved true, FW is a pile of steaming ****.
A lot of people would disagree with you.
The issue with you is that you don't like anything that doesn't directly help you, even though this is a sand box game that needs to cater to a lot of different types of players.
Go play your rail MMO.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 14/07/2008 21:30:25
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: CCP Atropos
How about you wait till Fanfest to pass judgment? Perhaps, once you've actually seen it, you'll be able to comment on the quality and whether or not you like what you see, rather than just making assumptions about the end product, and the internal distribution of resources within CCP.
A lot of us don't give a flying copulation about having avatars beyond portraits.
We signed up for a massive internet spaceship game and we want internet spaceships on a massive scale. Not hello kittay online.
I'm a two, pushing three year vet, and unsurprisingly, I'm with the OP.
I'd rather have broken things fixed and performance improved than ambulation.
I signed up for an MMO with a massive market, including a stockmarket, a black market and an ability to work the scenes using a strong charisma attribute to my advantage, so far it's been gank, gank, gank and gank.
What you percieved EVE to be isn't necessarily what everyone else imagined.
Then I guess I wasn't speaking for you then. But what does that have to do with the subject this thread is about?
It has to do with EVE becoming what the devs can and will do with it and maybe a little influenced by their customers sane arguments. Not what the 'I wants MOAR kittens with pew pew oh noes !!!111eleventy1 some1 is taking our shit!!! IT'S CAPS OBEY ME!' mindlocked blob of simpletons think EVE should be.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
It has to do with EVE becoming what the devs can and will do with it and maybe a little influenced by their customers sane arguments. Not the 'I wants MOAR kittens with pew pew oh noes !!!111eleventy1 some1 is taking our shit!!! IT'S CAPS OBEY ME!' mindlocked blob of simpletons think EVE should be.
It's generally nothing like that. Most of us who don't give a crap about ambulation want broken things fixed. We don't want more stuff. Just working stuff.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
It has to do with EVE becoming what the devs can and will do with it and maybe a little influenced by their customers sane arguments. Not the 'I wants MOAR kittens with pew pew oh noes !!!111eleventy1 some1 is taking our shit!!! IT'S CAPS OBEY ME!' mindlocked blob of simpletons think EVE should be.
It's generally nothing like that. Most of us who don't give a crap about ambulation want broken things fixed. We don't want more stuff. Just working stuff.
It's not the same people working on both.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha Prime's cousin
Eva' since we've heard & seen dis, ah' have rapped t'alot of players concernin' dis wuzte uh manhours gone into dis huge wuzte uh effo't.
Man! Every playa' i've rapped to, wants's some stable EVE befo'e we even dink about bein' able t'walk inside stashuns. CCP continues to igno'e our need fo' stability and keeps pimpin' new content which be def-nitly not needed.
Dis last year i seen mos' all the old homies ah' know of, leave EVE cuz' its bo'in'. No one wantsa fight dese jiveass alliance laggwars. And evendou Oveur, hilmar and CCP peeps keeps praisin' about deir 'new hardware' and 'supuh' clunkers', we never get t'fully enjoy de capacity dat EVE could gots.
I've played EVE since before way back and ah' can honestly say dat EVE is bo'in' de crap out uh me, and im not da damn only one. If it wuzn't fo' de brothers and all de crazy homies i know, ah' would not play dis game no mo'. De only doodad EVE offers at dis time, be 3 doodads.
Jiveass alliancelaggwars.
occasun'o driveby.
Ya' know? Make bread.
Ya' know? Dere simple be not many homies left in EVE dat enjoys some baaaad fight. Man! Most alliances is about makin' bread and sittin' in deir safe & secured jacked crib countin' deir bread, livin' happily eva' after.
Ah be baaad... EVE fo' me, be about hangin' and bangin'. Jes hang loose, brud. I'm not chillin if ah' duzn't dig to shoot no turkey fo' some time. ah' can't stand makin' bread, its bo'in'. Oda' players is de oda' way around. Dey kin't stand hangin' and bangin' and all dey wanna do be make bread on dat *cough* ebay *cough*.
And den we gots CCP, de makers and da damn destroyers uh dis hood.
Dey brought us de dreads, de carriers, de moms and da damn titans. But whut dey dun didn't brin' us, wuz de stability t' use dem, and dey also failed t'figga how we would use dem.
WORD! No alliance gots'ta eva' use some fullout pimped ride widout de backup. Man! No way day gonna bring day bigass titan widout da massive suppo't. Man! But we all know whut happens when 2 alliances meet down fo' some fistfight.
Hell.. some few days ago when ah' wuz jumpin' in an alliance opuh'shun, we wuz sittin' at cribs fo' 30 minutes waitin' fo' some system t'load.
Where gots EVE gone when it kin't even handle 1 alliance movin' around?
Keep dat in mind, and den try t'imagine how it would be likes when jumpin' into some fight, o' even tryin' t'fight in some system wid 400 homies.
It wuzn't long ago when ah' wuz involved in some scrappin' where we wuz not even 300 homies in de system in total, and most uh us could not even load.
DAMN!, CCP still insists on pimpin' stuffs we don't wants.
Man! I gotsn't rapped t'one sucka' dat be positive about dis stashun ambulashun and ya' still insist on pimpin' it instead of takin' all dem brothers & fat bread and spend it on givin' us some love.
Slap mah fro! Mah' last petishun about da damn serverstability ended wid de response dat in sho't said 'dont hold yo' breath fool'.
Maybe this version will help.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.14 21:40:00 -
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Who said this game was about space ships?
Last time I checked it was about people who choose what the amarrdamned they wanted to do the other guy, if its shaking cesar's hand and pulling brutus a year later just as the guy was going to declare 0.0 his or pointing your 425mm IIIs at some poor snob groveling for mercy, then creuly give him hope while denying the mercy a second later? I mean cmon why do you think there arent any aliens in a spaceship games? simple answer its hard for human players to behave alien, its so much easier when humans are playing humans and showing its true natures.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.14 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
It has to do with EVE becoming what the devs can and will do with it and maybe a little influenced by their customers sane arguments. Not the 'I wants MOAR kittens with pew pew oh noes !!!111eleventy1 some1 is taking our shit!!! IT'S CAPS OBEY ME!' mindlocked blob of simpletons think EVE should be.
It's generally nothing like that. Most of us who don't give a crap about ambulation want broken things fixed. We don't want more stuff. Just working stuff.
It's not the same people working on both.
He didn't get it when those other 19 guys said it. But you? You're special.
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Feilamya
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.14 22:33:00 -
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Walking in stations is crap? No problem.
The airlock is that way.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.07.14 22:38:00 -
[269]
Only three points that the OP needs to think about really.
1. Eve Amulation being made by completely seperate team from the ones who usually work on Eve, nothing has been slowed down.
2. Inside Stations will be seperate and wont create any lag of any kind to the outside in space area of the same system.
3. If you'd have really thought about it, you'll have seen how clever CCP are being. No matter how much bandwidth they add, people will always bring more people until it lags then resume complaining. Now if you have a this seperate lag buffer to take the surplus people, OH HAY, an indoors area!, and let's assume that its really good and at any one time, 30% of people are using it. 30% of SCALABLE NUMBERS. Imagine the load it takes off the game space side.
Imagine if in Jita, there's an 900 population, but 300 of them are running around inside the station so it has no affect on space outside. You're complaining they aren't fixing the lag yet thats exactly what they are doing, and they are also working on a super computer and looking at inifini band. No more could really be asked of them.
If eve has any problem that's being ignored its the heavy work mechanics in the gameplay that put so many casual people off, not so much the slightly difficult to get into controls as some would think. It could do with an overhaul in certain areas of space combat and such but thats a massive thing and it doesnt take much to set the whiners off.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.07.14 22:50:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
It has to do with EVE becoming what the devs can and will do with it and maybe a little influenced by their customers sane arguments. Not the 'I wants MOAR kittens with pew pew oh noes !!!111eleventy1 some1 is taking our shit!!! IT'S CAPS OBEY ME!' mindlocked blob of simpletons think EVE should be.
It's generally nothing like that. Most of us who don't give a crap about ambulation want broken things fixed. We don't want more stuff. Just working stuff.
It's not the same people working on both.
He didn't get it when those other 19 guys said it. But you? You're special.
I am legend.
I tried a novel approach saying the same thing, I still couldn't bypass the firewall so I went back to blunt force trauma.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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