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Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:19:00 -
[331] - Quote
Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?
If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.
In closing,
DEAL
WITH
IT
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Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:19:00 -
[332] - Quote
I will agree to CCP applying consequences for this behavior, IF, CCP can provide us with a button in our client that will display the mental history of the player who is complaining of suicidal thoughts.
In addition to this, each player will have to agree to a revised EULA which will clearly state that if you threaten suicide in game, the GMs will call an ambulance, at your expense, to take you to the nearest ER for psychological observation.
Also, if you refuse treatment and fail to commit suicide, you will be permabanned for feigning mental illness.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:20:00 -
[333] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?
If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.
In closing,
DEAL
WITH
IT
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2214
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:20:00 -
[334] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote: Why don't you quote the entire post?
Because it didn't make any sense. I was trying to avoid making you look bad.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

stoicfaux
806
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:21:00 -
[335] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:Have you guys all seen this with your own eyes? from either transcript or the video? If not, then you shouldn't discuss on this, u might be jumping onto conclusions. Here's the evidence that I've seen so far: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1003871#post1003871
IMO, it's a bit overblown, but still enough in poor taste to warrant an apology since it came from the CSM chairman. =/
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:21:00 -
[336] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:21:00 -
[337] - Quote
The real question I have is, why did it take so long for people to be so angry about it? This happened on Thursday, why did it take until Monday before people actually started caring?
It's like people have some sort of alterior motive against GOONSWARM FEDERATION, for who knows what reason. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:21:00 -
[338] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?
If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.
In closing,
DEAL
WITH
IT
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Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:22:00 -
[339] - Quote
Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:watch all those goonscum pigs defending their idol
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Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:22:00 -
[340] - Quote
Nao Oikawasan wrote:I will agree to CCP applying consequences for this behavior, IF, CCP can provide us with a button in our client that will display the mental history of the player who is complaining of suicidal thoughts.
In addition to this, each player will have to agree to a revised EULA which will clearly state that if you threaten suicide in game, the GMs will call an ambulance, at your expense, to take you to the nearest ER for psychological observation.
Also, if you refuse treatment and fail to commit suicide, you will be permabanned for feigning mental illness.
How about, instead, we all just agree not to try to push others in to commiting suicide? The whole case presented here has nothing to do with whether or not the person is suicidal, its the fact that a player has been caught trying to encourage others to push that person to commiting suicide...
Seriously ,what is so hard to understand about that? |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:22:00 -
[341] - Quote
Pubbie lied, Mittens died |

Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:22:00 -
[342] - Quote
If the CSM guy truly meant what he said it's clear he doesn't have any concept of a basic moral standard and he has ABSOLUTLY no place to represent anyone about anything. Maybe not even himself since you almost have to suffer from some mental or social disorder.
If it was meant as a continuation on a "funny" thing that happened to cross his path and he wanted to share the moment as a joke. Then arguably he has some really bad taste... really bad. That tied together with timing it on an event like that when in a position like that. It's clear the guy needs some education in PR. If this wasn't CSM he would have gotten his ass fired instantly, a lawsuit would have ensued. Complete and utter political suicide (no reference).
In short, this rare breed of moron made a bad booboo.
Then on the other hand. Proving somebody is mentally unstable through online messaging in games or in general is very difficult. On a basis alone, just not enough to make such a diagnose. In fact anything can push these people of the edge. A movie, song, a look, financial problems or just a badly pored cup of coffee in the morning. There is no way a layman like mittani could know if it was serious or not and expecting him to is unrealistic as well.
Should he be removed from CSM then?... Yes he should. He brought some very bad publicity towards CCP, EVE, CSM and its player base. CCP taking cover behind the EULA and TOS by making a few quotations is not enough in my opinion. Mittani needs to make a formal apology and resign. His integrity as a member of CSM is now at best questionable. He screwed up and now he's finished. Suicide isn't a laughing matter nor or the circumstances leading to one. If he doesn't want to resign CCP should do the right thing and boot his ass. Let it be known such behavior is not tolerated or supported.
And not sure if it's already being done. But CCP, make new CSM members do a PR training. It would help prevent such things from happening in the future.
When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Bane Necran
133
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:23:00 -
[343] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:hitting people with your car is against the law. Making fun of stupid people isn't.
It actually is very illegal to harass someone with the intent of them committing suicide. But you're still playing dumb, which is seemingly very easy for you.
Pedestrians are supposed to only use crosswalks, yet when they do not they are still protected. Similar to how people shouldn't say they're depressed or considering suicide to strangers, but are still protected from abuse from those strangers.
The fact that so many Goons are unaware of self restraint is kind of scary. Just because someone makes themselves vulnerable doesn't mean you have to attack, ya bunch of sociopaths. |

Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:23:00 -
[344] - Quote
Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:watch all those goonscum pigs defending their idol
Did you really just quote your own post you shitlord? |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:24:00 -
[345] - Quote
Keep posting. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:24:00 -
[346] - Quote
Stay calm. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:24:00 -
[347] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?
If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.
In closing,
DEAL
WITH
IT
"Haha here is the guys name and how you spell it. You should all go make him try to kill himself."
Please, seriously, explain to me how the interpretation of that is "subjective." |

Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:24:00 -
[348] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:watch all those goonscum pigs defending their idol Did you really just quote your own post you shitlord? yes i did you fugly american scunter
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2214
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:24:00 -
[349] - Quote
EI Digin wrote:The real question I have is, why did it take so long for people to be so angry about it? This happened on Thursday, why did it take until Monday before people actually started caring?
It's like people have some sort of alterior motive against GOONSWARM FEDERATION, for who knows what reason.
Because since the alliance panel Mittens won the CSM chair again and then we killed three titans.
People are mad jealous and figure this is the only way they can beat us.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:25:00 -
[350] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would.
So making somebody suicidal =/= making somebody suicidal? |

Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
20
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:25:00 -
[351] - Quote
I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade
It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this
Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated
Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing
And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired
If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image
Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2216
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:26:00 -
[352] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:ya bunch of sociopaths.
Where did you get your psychology degree?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Xeross155
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:26:00 -
[353] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would. So making somebody suicidal =/= making somebody suicidal? >Implying it would make an attention ***** suicidal |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:26:00 -
[354] - Quote
Muestereate wrote:I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade
It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this
Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated
Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing
And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired
If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image
Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you.
Where did you get your Law degree? |

ps3ud0nym
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
75
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:27:00 -
[355] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people.
Nope. But it IS illegal. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:27:00 -
[356] - Quote
It's me. I'm the sociopath. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 -
[357] - Quote
A nerd in Eve Online told me so. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 -
[358] - Quote
ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal.
Under what law? |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 -
[359] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?
If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.
In closing,
DEAL
WITH
IT
"Haha here is the guys name and how you spell it. You should all go make him try to kill himself." Please, seriously, explain to me how the interpretation of that is "subjective."
Already been done.
Amity Lane wrote:This seems to me to be more like a Charles Manson-esque situation. He's suggesting that people should break the game rules. He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules. |

Xeross155
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 -
[360] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal. Under what law? US General Law probably |
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