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Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:The real question I have is, why did it take so long for people to be so angry about it? This happened on Thursday, why did it take until Monday before people actually started caring?
It's like people have some sort of alterior motive against GOONSWARM FEDERATION, for who knows what reason.
There were posts made immediately afterwards, they just didn't gain any traction like this one has. |
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:29:00 -
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Hench Tenet wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would. So making somebody suicidal =/= making somebody suicidal?
I'm going to tell you what I told Harlot. The word you need to learn about is "context."
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Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:29:00 -
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THE MATTANII SHOULD BE DRAWN AND QUARTERED LIKE THE EVE ONLINE TRAITOR HE IS HE DOESN'T REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OFF WITH HIS HEAD |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
534
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:31:00 -
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A) The Wis should have been permabanned for threatening to kill himself like all others who uses suicide as a bargaining chip. B) The Mittani did not sign the EULA nor did he sign the TOS for Eve Online when he attended Fanfest. The two are mutually exclusive. C) The NPC Alt pubbies are obviously the most prevalent ones since they got an axe to grind. D) I'm responsible for scamming over 100 marks during the Ice Interdiction and 4 of those have threatened to kill themselves. I have no responsibility to those who threatened to kill themselves. I've had their whine posted on our goonfleet boards for all to see so I don't giveafuck if other members of GSF made fun of them over space pixels personally or outside the game. It's just simply not my problem E) The whole cyberbullying is moot. The laws that were passed here in the United States in only 7 states are only to protect those under the age of minority. So The Wis is not qualified to to be protected. Nor will any action taken place today be applied retroactively by any future bills because our constitution does not allow for that.
Keep crying more NPC alt pubbies. Maybe eventually when Lady Gaga's dead from all the crack she does, she'll notice the cyberbullying happening here on Eve Online. |
Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:31:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote: Why don't you quote the entire post?
Because it didn't make any sense. I was trying to avoid making you look bad.
Whatever, I know that any atempt of reasoning with you is futile, since you are just trying to damage control the mess your CEO just got into, I get it. What he did is utterly wrong no matter how you put it, and there is no possible argue to that. |
Frothgar
V0LTA 0ccupational Hazzard
23
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:31:00 -
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Aldeskwatso wrote:If the CSM guy truly meant what he said it's clear he doesn't have any concept of a basic moral standard and he has ABSOLUTLY no place to represent anyone about anything. Maybe not even himself since you almost have to suffer from some mental or social disorder.
No, it just means the sandbox concept works. If we only allowed only paragons of Chribbaesque credibility to do anything of note in game, it would be a really boring game.
Its people being naughty that make the news, just like today. Its people being naughty that generate the buzz that brings people in.
The day we can't mock people who take this game WAY too seriously, is the day the game dies. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2216
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:32:00 -
[367] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote: Why don't you quote the entire post?
Because it didn't make any sense. I was trying to avoid making you look bad. Whatever, I know that any atempt of reasoning with you is futile, since you are just trying to damage control the mess your CEO just got into, I get it. What he did is utterly wrong no matter how you put it, and there is no possible argue to that.
We have suffered no damage so there is no need for damage control.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
534
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:32:00 -
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Xeross155 wrote:Orkasm wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal. Under what law? US General Law probably It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2216
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:33:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:I'm going to tell you what I told Harlot. The word you need to learn about is "context."
It's interesting that you're completely fine with people taking The Mittani's comments out of context and using them against him.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:34:00 -
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And it continues The Escapist new site Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
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Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:34:00 -
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Frothgar wrote:Aldeskwatso wrote:If the CSM guy truly meant what he said it's clear he doesn't have any concept of a basic moral standard and he has ABSOLUTLY no place to represent anyone about anything. Maybe not even himself since you almost have to suffer from some mental or social disorder. No, it just means the sandbox concept works. If we only allowed only paragons of Chribbaesque credibility to do anything of note in game, it would be a really boring game. Its people being naughty that make the news, just like today. Its people being naughty that generate the buzz that brings people in. The day we can't mock people who take this game WAY too seriously, is the day the game dies.
You are absolutely right, except there are several moral boundaries that a reasonable and thinking man shouldn't cross.
Mittani the Great... unfortunately... he did. |
Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:35:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote: We have suffered no damage so there is no need for damage control.
I can't understand you with your head plugged in Mittani's butt, please come again? |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
66
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:35:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Bane Necran wrote:EnderCapitalG, as fun as blaming the victim is, you can't freely run over jaywalkers because they should be on the crosswalk.
Just because he gave you the opportunity doesn't mean you're justified to act on it. Well hitting people with your car is against the law. Making fun of stupid people isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying#United_States
It's coming. I find it unfortunate that laws like this end up having to be made. Too often they are poorly worded and we end up with nanny-state like crap. I blew up your ship, you claim harassment, and I have to prove my innocence in court for the next 20 years. I say that believing in a sky fairy that answers wishes is stupid, and end up in jail.
People keep crossing the line though and it is those people who cause this kind of destruction to occur. They target people who they know are weak in some way, believing they are immune from harm as they attack and attack and attack (and they're probably right). This cannot be allowed and our legislature knows this....and they'll do something incredibly stupid in response.
I'm willing to hope that the statement was just idiocy and there wasn't any actual intent that people continuously harass someone in the game with hopes to get them to quit or worse. Although I support griefing, there's a point where it crosses the line and that's it.
It may make you feel better about yourself to claim that either way it's better for humanity, that even if the guy is suicidal you're helping clean up the gene pool (as you in fact did)....this has no basis in truth and exposes an inherent ignorance about genetics. It's just plain false and stupid. It can serve no other purpose than self-justification for an inherently mean-spirited, childish, and borderline sociopathic attitude toward others. It doesn't prove that you're strong, intelligent, rational people willing to accept the hard truths. Quite the opposite in fact. It's cowardice, it's ignorant, and it's disgusting.
So when laws are created that make it illegal to joke about people online, you can thank yourself for that. I'm not going to. I'll be too busy walking on the egg-shells that you created. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:35:00 -
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The Mittani wrote: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wis - it's T-H-E space W-I-S , not with a Z - The Wis [incomprehensible]. Find him.
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Prince Kobol
302
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:36:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Frothgar wrote:Aldeskwatso wrote:If the CSM guy truly meant what he said it's clear he doesn't have any concept of a basic moral standard and he has ABSOLUTLY no place to represent anyone about anything. Maybe not even himself since you almost have to suffer from some mental or social disorder. No, it just means the sandbox concept works. If we only allowed only paragons of Chribbaesque credibility to do anything of note in game, it would be a really boring game. Its people being naughty that make the news, just like today. Its people being naughty that generate the buzz that brings people in. The day we can't mock people who take this game WAY too seriously, is the day the game dies. You are absolutely right, except there are several moral boundaries that a reasonable and thinking man shouldn't cross. Mittani the Great... unfortunately... he did.
Morale boundaries in a internet spaceship game famous for griefing, scamming, pirating and anything goes..
Yes that is a good argument |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2216
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:36:00 -
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Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: We have suffered no damage so there is no need for damage control.
I can't understand you with your head plugged in Mittani's butt, please come again?
Have you ever seen The Mittani's butt? Mmmm.....
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Marius Duvall
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:38:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would.
Cite applicable law. |
Arec Bardwin
Perkone Caldari State
261
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:38:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: CSMs are elected to exhibit the best of their behaviors,
Problem is; this is probably Mittanni's best behavior |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:38:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: We have suffered no damage so there is no need for damage control.
I can't understand you with your head plugged in Mittani's butt, please come again? Have you ever seen The Mittani's butt? Mmmm.....
Smells like peg |
OfBalance
Caldari State
242
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:39:00 -
[380] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wis - it's T-H-E space W-I-S , not with a Z - The Wis [incomprehensible]. Find him.
Good natured ribbing, ofc. |
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Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:39:00 -
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Oh snap. Massively has picked it up.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/
This has got legs for sure. |
Rukia Taika
Allied Operations Jokers Wild.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:40:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. Why would he care about his reputation among NPC corp alts? Obvious for anyone with half a brain ( it is obvious now goons dont belong to this group ) that behind alt hides real person/player that is smart enough to hide his in game identity to protect it self again the most powerful and at the same time emotionally immature person in EVE.
Mittens only hides behind his alts all some 10k of them only to use them as sock puppets cause he cannot say much disparraging with his main toon. |
Marius Duvall
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:41:00 -
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ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal.
I'm mocking one now. Come at me, bro. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:41:00 -
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Rukia Taika wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. Why would he care about his reputation among NPC corp alts? Obvious for anyone with half a brain ( it is obvious now goons dont belong to this group ) that behind alt hides real person/player that is smart enough to hide his in game identity to protect it self again the most powerful and at the same time emotionally immature person in EVE. Mittens only hides behind his alts all some 10k of them only to use them as sock puppets cause he cannot say much disparraging with his main toon. I am The Mittani
~10,058~ |
OfBalance
Caldari State
242
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:41:00 -
[385] - Quote
An evil plot by the forces of elitepvp~ |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2217
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:43:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wis - it's T-H-E space W-I-S , not with a Z - The Wis [incomprehensible]. Find him.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1347
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:44:00 -
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I guess this will all come down to how much bad press CCP wants to deal with. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
28
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:44:00 -
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Karadion wrote: It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.
felony = prison time
"It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person"
A great way to totally screw up your life.
Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:45:00 -
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if The Wis is dead, good riddance. Oh god, the damn horror of me to say that. Why? Because I don't know the guy, I don't care about the guy, I could care less if he's dead. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:47:00 -
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oh daer 20 pages all ready? and not one scrap of proof he was suffering mentail issues. This is what makes eve-o great. |
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