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Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
537
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:47:00 -
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Barakach wrote:Karadion wrote:
It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.felony = prison time "It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person" A great way to totally screw up your life. Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished.
The Wis made that choice of his own doing that he was going to kill himself or was thinking about it. The Mittani had nothing to do with that in the first place. I've had 4 people threatened to kill themselves. Are you saying I'm criminally liable for those idiots actions? |
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:47:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:I'm going to tell you what I told Harlot. The word you need to learn about is "context."
It's interesting that you're completely fine with people taking The Mittani's comments out of context and using them against him.
Seriously man, go watch the video. Or better yet, wait to see it on the news. |
Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
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Barakach wrote:Karadion wrote:
It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.felony = prison time "It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person" A great way to totally screw up your life. Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished.
Let's come back down to earth. Using the justice system punitively like this is the whole reason it's so screwed up in the first place. |
evereplicant
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:
Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wis - it's T-H-E space W-I-S , not with a Z - The Wis [incomprehensible]. Find him.
Look nows it all around the internet, Mittani has managed to single handedly shown what a moron this guy is and has no place in eve... or on this planet to be honest. All you goons that stand by him, are equally looking as bad.. Sometimes there is a time to actually step away, and this is it... |
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
85
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Barakach wrote:Karadion wrote:
It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.felony = prison time "It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person" A great way to totally screw up your life. Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished. The Wis made that choice of his own doing that he was going to kill himself or was thinking about it. The Mittani had nothing to do with that in the first place. I've had 4 people threatened to kill themselves. Are you saying I'm criminally liable for those idiots actions?
If you continue to harass them, and encourage others to do so "till they follow through", then yes, you are. |
Josef Stylin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
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I think Mittani should kill himself. |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Nao Oikawasan wrote:I will agree to CCP applying consequences for this behavior, IF, CCP can provide us with a button in our client that will display the mental history of the player who is complaining of suicidal thoughts.
In addition to this, each player will have to agree to a revised EULA which will clearly state that if you threaten suicide in game, the GMs will call an ambulance, at your expense, to take you to the nearest ER for psychological observation.
Also, if you refuse treatment and fail to commit suicide, you will be permabanned for feigning mental illness.
How about, instead, we all just agree not to try to push others in to commiting suicide? The whole case presented here has nothing to do with whether or not the person is suicidal, its the fact that a player has been caught trying to encourage others to push that person to commiting suicide... Seriously ,what is so hard to understand about that? |
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:49:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Barakach wrote:Karadion wrote:
It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.felony = prison time "It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person" A great way to totally screw up your life. Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished. The Wis made that choice of his own doing that he was going to kill himself or was thinking about it. The Mittani had nothing to do with that in the first place. I've had 4 people threatened to kill themselves. Are you saying I'm criminally liable for those idiots actions?
What part of this don't you guys get? If you tell thousands of people to go find him and push him to kill himself then yes, you should be criminally liable. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1354
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:49:00 -
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If I actually cared about this crap, I'd have to read this whole stupid thread.
So I didn't.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
495
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:49:00 -
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Gossamer DT wrote:oh daer 20 pages all ready? and not one scrap of proof he was suffering mentail issues. This is what makes eve-o great.
No no, you see, he said it in a one-off chat once to some guy.
That's 100% valid proof, trust me I'm an internet lawyer. |
Zleon Leigh
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:51:00 -
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Wondering if this is going to be post-edited PDQ....
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:52:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
Perhaps you should refrain from posting forever. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1255
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:52:00 -
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Karadion wrote:A) The Wis should have been permabanned for threatening to kill himself like all others who uses suicide as a bargaining chip.
B) The Mittani did not sign the EULA nor did he sign the TOS for Eve Online when he attended Fanfest. The two are mutually exclusive.
C) The NPC Alt pubbies are obviously the most prevalent ones since they got an axe to grind.
D) I'm responsible for scamming over 100 marks during the Ice Interdiction and 4 of those have threatened to kill themselves. I have no responsibility to those who threatened to kill themselves. I've had their whine posted on our goonfleet boards for all to see so I don't giveafuck if other members of GSF made fun of them over space pixels personally or outside the game. It's just simply not my problem
E) The whole cyberbullying is moot. The laws that were passed here in the United States in only 7 states are only to protect those under the age of minority. So The Wis is not qualified to to be protected. Nor will any action taken place today be applied retroactively by any future bills because our constitution does not allow for that.
Keep crying more NPC alt pubbies. Maybe eventually when Lady Gaga's dead from all the crack she does, she'll notice the cyberbullying happening here on Eve Online.
This is pretty accurate, realistically speaking.
I don't believe that anyone present thought that the scam victim was serious in any way, certainly Mittani didn't. If it had come across as a serious intention the response from Mittani and everyone else present would have been significantly different.
In fact, it would have been handled exactly the same as the well publicized incident not long ago where the police were dispatched by CCP to an individuals home in Iceland to ensure that he was okay, rather than made public at a game convention.
There was little to make anyone believe that there was serious intent to do self bodily harm, although that will not stop those that have ulterior motives or are completely uninformed yet insist on voicing their opinion anyway.
Perhaps you should consider how ridiculous it would be if the next time you make a mistake and via chat or voice coms make the statement "Oh, just shoot me now." and the next thing that happens is that you have police at your door to take you in for a psychological evaluation... or that your fellow gamers might be subject to punitive actions, either in game or out, if they don't report the incident immediately.
Mittani's statement, while humorous, was in poor taste in many (but far from all) people's opinion. However, it was clear that all present treating the whole thing as a joke and were not seriously asking people to harrass someone whom they thought to actually be suicidal.
Worst case scenario, a request for the Mittani to apologize might be appropriate... but that's about as close to a mountain as this mole hill should get.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
139
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:52:00 -
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Can we try to be civil here? Lets not fall lower than Mittani the Great. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2220
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:52:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked. Perhaps you should refrain from posting forever.
Doubtful.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Barakach
R-ISK
Shadow Operations.
28
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:53:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Barakach wrote:Karadion wrote:
It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.felony = prison time "It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person" A great way to totally screw up your life. Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished. The Wis made that choice of his own doing that he was going to kill himself or was thinking about it. The Mittani had nothing to do with that in the first place. I've had 4 people threatened to kill themselves. Are you saying I'm criminally liable for those idiots actions?
I was not taking sides, I was only correcting someone thinking only "cyberbullying" applied.
I don't know enough to take sides and I really don't care to know. Context is huge to any argument, and I "wasn't there" to really understand. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:54:00 -
[407] - Quote
I have to say, the level of alt posting is so impressive, why can't you people man up and post with your mains? afraid your words will lose cred? will they have 0 cred atm, but maybe if you posted with your mains instead you would at least get some respect. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2221
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:56:00 -
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Barakach wrote:Context is huge to any argument, and I "wasn't there" to really understand.
Neither were any of the people making all these threads.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:56:00 -
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Gossamer DT wrote:I have to say, the level of alt posting is so impressive, why can't you people man up and post with your mains? afraid your words will lose cred? will they have 0 cred atm, but maybe if you posted with your mains instead you would at least get some respect. We know the 5 or 6 of them are probably significant people and a bunch of whiners anyways who beat themselves to sleep. Especially they've got mental problems that they're afraid to reveal who themselves are.
They can prove me wrong. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
355
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:57:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Barakach wrote:Context is huge to any argument, and I "wasn't there" to really understand. Neither were any of the people making all these threads.
No we just have the video evidence to play and replay
If you want him to go through with it
*rewind*
If you want him to go through with ut
*rewind*
If you want him to go through with it
*rewind*
*pause*
Perhaps thats enough hey
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2221
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:58:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Barakach wrote:Context is huge to any argument, and I "wasn't there" to really understand. Neither were any of the people making all these threads. No we just have the video evidence to play and replay If you want him to go through with it *rewind* If you want him to go through with ut *rewind* If you want him to go through with it *rewind* *pause* Perhaps thats enough hey
Is that what you do before you upload a new katana video to youtube?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Purple Madness
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:59:00 -
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There's an intangible line that cannot be crossed while remaining apart of a civilized society. And he crossed it. I like a good troll as much as the next person, but this isn't trolling. This is literally the behavior of a psychopath.
If CCP wants to allow someone that exhibits that behavior to represent them, that's on them. That the decision is not the 'civilized' playerbase's should not deter us from expressing our opinion on the matter. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:01:00 -
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In defence of Lady Harlot, perhaps he/she believes that suicide just mean you respawn later on in life. |
Pepinillos
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:01:00 -
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The amount of Goons trying to defend their overlord is truly impressive. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:03:00 -
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Pepinillos wrote:The amount of pubbies hiding behind in cowardice is truly impressive.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Molden Heath Angels
39
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:04:00 -
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if you want to kill yourself over video game just... do it
don't bring it into my game fags
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Delegado Cero
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:04:00 -
[417] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:The amount of Goons trying to defend their overlord is truly impressive.
He's your overlord now as well, 10,058! |
ps3ud0nym
United Highsec Front
The 99 Percent
75
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:04:00 -
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Orkasm wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal. Under what law?
Harassment. Same law that prevents you from doing it in public or in the work place. Actually it is a bit worse on the internet cause I am pretty sure libel can come into play as well because it is considered published if it is on the internet.
You would need to talk to a lawyer to find out what applies. Generally, if you can't do it IRL, you can't do it online. That includes yelling insults and harassment at the mentally challenged. |
Pepinillos
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:05:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Pepinillos wrote:The amount of pubbies hiding behind in cowardice is truly impressive.
I see what you did there |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
69
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:05:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
I don't believe that anyone present thought that the scam victim was serious in any way, certainly Mittani didn't. If it had come across as a serious intention the response from Mittani and everyone else present would have been significantly different.
...
Worst case scenario, a request for the Mittani to apologize might be appropriate... but that's about as close to a mountain as this mole hill should get.
Yes, I'd be very content to see him explain that he didn't believe this person to really be suicidal and he didn't really intend to encourage people to grief someone to death or out of game. If he simply apologized for the statement, explained himself...etc...whatever...he'd have my support in this.
Based on responses from that end though, I suspect that not only will this not happen...but that you're completely wrong about his intentions. I mean, they're saying **** like that it'd be a good thing for humanity if the guy offed himself. |
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