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Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
25
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1081] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Muestereate wrote:I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade
It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this
Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated
Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing
And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired
If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image
Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you. Where did you get your Law degree?
Virginia
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Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1082] - Quote
Mors Magne wrote:This is a public relations disaster for CCP.
They must permanently ban Alexander Gianturco (Mittani) - CCP need to send a strong message.
So fanfest was actually virtual and totally in game. |

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1083] - Quote
Half time break, go get more popcorns... while you go get them here is a joke...
--
A couple of women were playing golf one sunny Saturday morning. The first of the twosome teed off and watched in horror as her ball headed directly toward a foursome of men playing the next hole.
Indeed, the ball hit one of the men, and he immediately clasped his hands together at his crotch, fell to the ground and proceeded to roll around in evident agony.
The woman rushed down to the man and immediately began to apologize. She said, "Please allow me to help. I'm a physical therapist and I know I could relieve your pain if you'd allow."
"Ummph, oooh, nnooo, I'll be all right...I'll be fine in a few minutes," he replied breathlessly as he remained in the fetal position still clasping his hands together at his crotch.
But she persisted, and he finally allowed her to help him. She gently took his hands away and laid them to the side, she loosened his pants,and she put her hands inside. She began to massage him.
She then asked him, "How does that feel?" To which he replied, "It feels great, but my thumb still hurts like hell." Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |

seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
113
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1084] - Quote
Vladimir Blackschlong wrote:If one's mental health is so fragile that pixel-ships are an issue of life and death, their mental health is beyond any further damage. Just sayin.
THIS
Suicide in itself is a selfish act and does nothing but hurt others around them. If a person considers doing it over internet pixels then they need to step back and re-evaluate their life  |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2306
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1085] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP?
I have 2300 likes. They know who to listen to.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1086] - Quote
Fierceshot wrote:Fascinating seeing so many desperate goons "trying" to do damage control.
This is me posting AGAIN in a terrible thread, nothing more. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3425
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1087] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? WOW 10,058 accounts voted for the guy in question
are you listening CCP? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1088] - Quote
167 you say?1% of 10,000 |

Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
82
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1089] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:CCP disagree.
Apparently they don't. Mittens is still chairman.
Not for long..... Damn either you are his lap dog or you are his alt.... but you are begining to look even more stupid with your fail attempts to defend probably the biggest moron eve has ever produced... |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
350
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1090] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Aileren wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:wow did 50 pages get deleted from this thread?!?! Here's a website from the characters bio whom mittens wanted people to hunt down http://thundershyne.posterous.com/getting-my-new-eye I guess his ex wife went blind or something? Unless I got the name wrong ( sorta doubtful mittens spelled it out ) Ah so to protest cyberbullying, you post his real life info. Time to investigate you. Here let me drop my pants so you can investigate me bottocks...
Reported for sexual harassment. |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1091] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? I have 2300 likes. They know who to listen to.
Twenty three hundred and ONE. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1092] - Quote
Xython wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT.
Which part in what you quoted did I say he shopuld be banned or step down? I am comenting on the terms that we all agree to, even you and I. I also said if what he did is against the EULA or TOS or whatever he has to agree to as a CSM, then it is not upto us what happens it is upto those in charge what happens.
That is something you will have to deal with. |

Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
82
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1093] - Quote
Andski wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? WOW 10,058 accounts voted for the guy in question are you listening CCP?
Wow 8000 goons and their alts voted.... idiot now get lost... |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1094] - Quote
Muestereate wrote:Orkasm wrote:Muestereate wrote:I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade
It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this
Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated
Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing
And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired
If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image
Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you. Where did you get your Law degree? Virginia
Demand a refund. |

DarthNefarius
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:20:00 -
[1095] - Quote
Soo all you goons going to committ suicide in your PODs in Jita with a mass self destruction if Mittens gets banned?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86902&find=unread lol someone is trying to start a Jita protest why don't you go suicide gank there :) "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:20:00 -
[1096] - Quote
Xython wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT.
Game related fuction. Still falls under the EULA and TOS my friend. You goons are funny, little sheep running around protecting dear leader. Where is dear leader at anyway? If he was a real man, he would come say he was sorry and put this whole thing to bed but nope, the little coward is hiding and letting you sheep post away for him. |

Shayleigh Snowflower
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:20:00 -
[1097] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:Vladimir Blackschlong wrote:If one's mental health is so fragile that pixel-ships are an issue of life and death, their mental health is beyond any further damage. Just sayin. THIS Suicide in itself is a selfish act and does nothing but hurt others around them. If a person considers doing it over internet pixels then they need to step back and re-evaluate their life 
I do a suicide every time I need to travel to empire or VFK in a hurry. |

Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1098] - Quote
I watched the thing and the statements that were made.
The comment that The Mittani made about seeking out the player to have him kill himself is the issue.
The Mittani suggested the idea without prompting.
The Mittani wrote:"Incidentally guys, if you want to make the guy kill himself his name is The Wis. It's "T" "H" "E" "Space" "W" "I" "S" He has his own corp. Find him."
(link to source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E7Ki91U-mBE#t=4320s)
What should happen is the question.
If The Mittani was just like any other EVE player then CCP wouldn't need to do much more than it is. Say that the forum was uncensored and the views of its participants were their own and not those of CCP. Due to the comment being made CCP was going to initiate its Suicide Watch protocol and monitor the situation carefully.
As CCP I would add the following course of action as well: Give the player in question a name change should the player desire such.
But, The Mittani isn't any other EVE player. He is an elected representative of the playerbase and the chairman of the CSM.
As a member of the CSM he needs to adhere to a fairly broad and lenient manner of behaviour as laid out in the CSM documentation:
Quote:Candidates are expected to be active on the CSM forums and participate in the discussion of topics. They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.
The question facing CCP is this, did what The Mittani say in this situation adhere to the EULA/TOS and did he carry himself in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.
If there is a further agreement that CSM representatives must sign from CCP about their behaviour then that would need to be examined as well by CCP.
The latter part of this question is simple, yes, of course he carried himself in a manner that is an example for others to follow. The example is not stipulated to be bad or good, therefore, simply by being him he is fulfilling that requirement.
So, the question boils down to this: Does The Mittani's behaviour break the EULA or TOS in any manner? Please note, the conditions of the CSM does not limit this behaviour to be within EVE. There is nothing in the documentation that explicitly states that the TOS and EULA need to be adhered to solely within the EVE environment. And, even if it did, one could argue that being at the Fanfast in a sanctioned CCP event would be part of the EVE environment therefore he would need to operate within that framework of behaviour.
If encouraging other players to seek out someone for the purposes of them committing suicide is against either the EULA or TOS of the game then CCP has to remove The Mittani from office.
If the EULA or TOS were not broken by this then CCP doesn't have to do anything.
The Mittani may have broken local 'cyber bullying' laws or similar legislation but since I am not a legal expert I couldn't tell you if he did or not.
I do feel that what he said was not professional or a good depiction of what an EVE player is but, unfortunately, his statements are clearly supported by many EVE players as well. So, perhaps he is properly representing a percentage of the game's population.
I wouldn't support what he said and I would condemn the statement fully. I feel it is reprehensible and disgusting. I feel that it betrays a lack of morality and maturity but that is my own opinion. I consider it to be akin to an attempt to incite people to try and kill another human being.
But, the matter is up for CCP to decide if they feel that The Mittani adheres to their code of conduct and if so they can leave him in place while shaking their heads at the negative press he has given the game. The Mittani is under no obligation to do anything in terms of an apology or stepping down. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
350
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1099] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Andski wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? WOW 10,058 accounts voted for the guy in question are you listening CCP? Wow 8000 goons and their alts voted.... idiot now get lost...
You're a special kind of idiot. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3425
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1100] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Andski wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? WOW 10,058 accounts voted for the guy in question are you listening CCP? Wow 8000 goons and their alts voted.... idiot now get lost...
I thought it was only 3000 and alts? You're getting inconsistent.
also 8000 goons and their alts > 167 in any case
and any goon > you so v0v "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2306
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1101] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:CCP disagree.
Apparently they don't. Mittens is still chairman. Not for long..... Damn either you are his lap dog or you are his alt.... but you are begining to look even more stupid with your fail attempts to defend probably the biggest moron eve has ever produced...
I am his secret admirer
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
377
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1102] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? I have 2300 likes. They know who to listen to.
Where did you get your Facebook degree?
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1103] - Quote
Look at all the white knights in this thread.
So mocking someone who threatens to end his life over a video game is immoral, eh? Interesting. Game companies better watch out, because someone might threaten to kill themselves if they get base raped in BF3 or MW3 or whatever other FPS is out there. Bioware better watch out, because people might threaten to kill themselves over the horrible ME3 endings. Listen to how silly that sounds.
But people here don't care that it sounds silly. They've just found a way to attack the Mittani because they already don't like him and they don't like goons. They've found a way to possibly hurt the "horrible goonies" playstyle because we belittle anyone who takes a game so seriously as to threaten to end their own life. They don't like that, they don't think it's immoral. Someone with a mental state like this guy's (if he even has a dangerous mental state) shouldn't be anywhere near the kind of social interaction that eve promises if you aren't careful. He should be getting help from professionals, not escaping to a video game. |

knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
82
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:22:00 -
[1104] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP?
And Mittani has 6,412 likes and 10k+votes. Are you listening?
This is all totally blown out of proportion. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3425
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:22:00 -
[1105] - Quote
ahahah you can expect more than that
the game will be unplayable in hiseec "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
137
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:22:00 -
[1106] - Quote
I think this thread gives people a much more negative view of the EVE community than any representative could possibly give, either accidentally or intentionally.
Seriously, a mob of people, each giving half assed comments for hours upon hours at a time. If I showed someone who doesn't play EVE this thread they would probably want to stay away from the game. |

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:22:00 -
[1107] - Quote
Aileren wrote:Muestereate wrote:Orkasm wrote:Muestereate wrote:I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade
It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this
Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated
Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing
And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired
If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image
Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you. Where did you get your Law degree? Virginia Demand a refund.
and if they do not refund you, hire The Mitanni to sue them Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |

Karl Planck
153
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:22:00 -
[1108] - Quote
how did this thread explode so quickly?
no even 1 man with a macro of alts could do this so quickly  If you don't like it, you should go and ride your Emo high-horse all the way back to WoW.
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
253
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:23:00 -
[1109] - Quote
goons don't count as people you see |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
394
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:23:00 -
[1110] - Quote
Still no apology? Stay classy bro. |
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