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Deva Blackfire Viziam	Posted - 2010.09.22 17:07:00 - [1171] @proxyyyy waah waah oh look, special kid came back from asylum with words of wisdom. Shame such great pilot with setups for every ship in this game doesnt even know how to fly caldari boats. Seems you are quite bad pilot then. Go learn more about ships before you comment here Back to ignoring your diarrhea of words. @OT Smithers And what exactly is wrong with caldari ships? I use them on my alt (as she can fly ONLY caldari ships of missile flavour) and had great success with them. Onyx? HIC as any other. Raven? Quite efficient damage dealer in shield gangs. Drake - duh, best BC in game. Tengu? Second only to Proteus tho has tad better damage dealing capability (range/damage types). Flycatcher - prolly second best dictor after sabre (a bit slower than heretic but due to amount of mids it can fit quite a few duelling/ceptor killing setups). Rook/Falcon - i guess nothing to add here. Kitsune - quite fun ship imo, works in its role well. Cerb - best long range HAC ingame, nuff said. T1 ones which Duchess pointed out are also ok (at least missile ones, never used hybrid ones as i dont have skills on alt). Ofc if you use caldari ship in a wrong role then it sucks. Most of caldari ships are kinda stuck to one or two roles and cant be used on every ocassion.
yyyyxorp	Posted - 2010.09.22 17:27:00 - [1172] Originally by: OT Smithers Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Please link me to the CCP post saying they actively decided to make Caldari bad at PVP (and if they did say that, they evidently didn't try very hard.) I do not know that there is such a statement. That said, if one were to go to any PvP game on the internet (regardless of genre) and ask the players there to name the most desirable traits for winning, the attributes they list as important or even critical for victory could easily be used as a listing of everything the Caldari lack. Accident? The guys at CCP are professionals. No one at CCP thought that slow ships were better than fast, less drones better than more, delayed DPS better than instant. I could go on, but donÆt need to -- you already know. Does this mean that Caldari are hopeless or useless? Obviously not. They seem to be, as you say yourself, workable. Quote: I dunno...the Falcon/Drake/40km blaster RokhàScorpion, Raven, Feroxàetc Many reading this will already be quoting one or more of the ships listed there along with a but with a decent fitting they're all workable. I think you said it yourself -- you admit that most of the community might chuckle over this list. The term you use is æworkableÆ and this sounds about right. Not the best tool for the job, but workable. And everyone knows it. The only question is whether or not CCP does. I contend that they are professionals who made the Caldari what they are by design. Of course, if this is not the case, then it is up to CCP to correct the error. There is only one way to do that. Perhaps that is their intention with this rocket æfixÆ. Perhaps they intend to make rockets really deadly as a first step towards improving the Caldari overall. We will see. You are so koolz -die thread die
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.09.22 17:46:00 - [1173] Quote: you admit that most of the community No, I said many, because a fair few: 1. Cling to the same years-outdated view as you and 2. Dismiss ships like the Moa or Caracal on the spot, having no idea what they are actually capable of. I am saying many will be skeptical because of widespread misconceptions, not because they have any factual basis. Quote: No one at CCP thought that slow ships were better than fast Armour tanked ships of other races frequently end up slower than the equivilent Caldari ship. Compare a Drake and plated Harbinger sometime. Quote: less drones better than more Only on a few ships is this a noticable handicap. They don't need more drones. In fact this is a good time to bring up Gallente. Going by your (lack of) logic here, they fall well behind Caldari in more ways than one. I'll take ok speed and good range anyday over poor speed and lolrange. Quote: delayed DPS better than instant. ... So don't use missiles to snipe with? You also seem blissfully unaware that missile boats are only a part of the lineup. You don't use a Raven to snipe, you get a Rokh, which does the job nicely. Flight time is the tradeoff for the fact that missiles come with naturally higher range than equivilent turrets. To use the Drake as an example again - please show me the battlecruiser capable of firing anywhere from 1-70km+ with consistant damage without a single range mod. Then you get stuff like the Raven which does roughly a Megathron worth of dps with massively higher range. (And by the way, my missiles travel a lot faster than a trimarked mega.) Quote: I could go on, but donÆt need to -- you already know. I know you're very likely to be a troll, probably Proxyyy's alt or something, you're both pretty full of ****. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: NOT FIXED
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.22 18:04:00 - [1174] Originally by: OT Smithers I do not know that there is such a statement. That said, if one were to go to any PvP game on the internet (regardless of genre) and ask the players there to name the most desirable traits for winning, the attributes they list as important or even critical for victory could easily be used as a listing of everything the Caldari lack. Accident? The guys at CCP are professionals. No one at CCP thought that slow ships were better than fast, less drones better than more, delayed DPS better than instant. I could go on, but donÆt need to -- you already know. Does this mean that Caldari are hopeless or useless? Obviously not. They seem to be, as you say yourself, workable. Not sure how long you've been playing but this game used to be called Caldari Online. Ravens were the No 1 most feared battleship, you could stack MWD's and keep pace with your missiles as they launched, thus several volleys of missiles would arrive at the same time in one bbq blob of alpha. There was a time when rifter pilots would see a kestrel and think oh ****. Sometimes I think there should be an eve museum where new players get to see all this stuff and old hands can take a walk down memory lane. The current state of Caldari in pvp is all part of the buff/nerf/fotm cycle that CCP's so fond of. I'm actually quite surprised they managed to implement the QR missile changes without making missiles fotm, usually it's a case of buff lasers (OMG everyone fly amarr now!) or buff projectiles (OMG everyone fly matari now!). Caldari will probably have their day again sometime but having cross trained to fly the other races I'd have to say that people moan too much, all the races are usable and have some good ships to chose from. _______ Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel.
OT Smithers	Posted - 2010.09.22 20:07:00 - [1175] Originally by: yani dumyat Not sure how long you've been playing but this game used to be called Caldari Online. (snip) I had heard this, yes. Just how many years ago are we talking about here? Quote: The current state of Caldari in pvp is all part of the buff/nerf/fotm cycle that CCP's so fond of. Okay. Quote: Caldari will probably have their day again sometimeà So essentially you agree: ItÆs not ôtheir dayö now, and hasnÆt been for so long that it is a common consensus that they are a relatively poor choice for PvP.
OT Smithers	Posted - 2010.09.22 20:33:00 - [1176] It is an oft repeated community concensus that Caldari are a good choice for PvE and a poor choice for PvP. The devs, at least in respect to one of the most glaring problems, apparently AGREE with at least part of that concensus, or they wouldn't be fixing rockets. Nuff said.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.09.22 20:34:00 - [1177] Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 22/09/2010 20:35:40 Quote: So essentially you agree: ItÆs not ôtheir dayö now, and hasnÆt been for so long that it is a common consensus that they are a relatively poor choice for PvP. You've been blithering on about your so called consensus for a while now without offering up any backing evidence whatsoever. As I've just shown in the post you conveniently ignored, your "arguments" actually apply better to Gallente than anything else. And re-read his post - he said that CCP managed to indirectly buff missiles without making them overpowered as has been done with other weapons, leaving them good but not the be-all end-all. With the exception of cruises (once rockets are fixed), missiles are fine and Caldari in general are on par. Quote: It is an oft repeated community concensus that Caldari are a good choice for PvE and a poor choice for PvP. The devs, at least in respect to one of the most glaring problems, apparently AGREE with at least part of that concensus, or they wouldn't be fixing rockets. Nuff said. Ok, this confirms it. Troll. My money is definately on Proxyyy's alt now - this was just too stupid for words. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: NOT FIXED
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.09.22 22:02:00 - [1178] Originally by: OT Smithers It is an oft repeated community concensus that Caldari are a good choice for PvE and a poor choice for PvP. The devs, at least in respect to one of the most glaring problems, apparently AGREE with at least part of that concensus, or they wouldn't be fixing rockets. For your FYI, rockets ≠ missiles.
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.22 23:29:00 - [1179] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Ok, this confirms it. Troll. My money is definately on Proxyyy's alt now - this was just too stupid for words. If it is a proxy alt he's doing better than last time, still perpetuating the thread though. At least it gives us something to argue about till rockets hit sisi. Originally by: OT Smithers So essentially you agree: ItÆs not ôtheir dayö now, and hasnÆt been for so long that it is a common consensus that they are a relatively poor choice for PvP. You're misinterpreting what I said: "People moan too much, all the races are usable and have some good ships to chose from" was meant to point out that forum opinions should be taken with a pinch of salt. Even then I don't think I've seen a thread in the last two years reach any sort of consensus about caldari being poor pvpers. Caldari have got enough good ships that some people can make them work and prefer them to the other races, others just read the forums rather than making up their own mind. Rockets and the hawk are special cases that need looked at, it's not something that defines the whole line up of caldari ships. _______ Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel.
Tir Arsil Eve University	Posted - 2010.09.23 05:35:00 - [1180] Regardless of all the drama and whining by others, I'm pleased to see CCP providing us small time Caldari PvP pilots some attention. The quality and quantity of my pleasure will of course be dependent on how much the rocket buff actually changes things. Tir

Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.09.23 08:10:00 - [1181] Originally by: Tir Arsil Regardless of all the drama and whining by others, I'm pleased to see CCP providing us small time Caldari PvP pilots some attention. The quality and quantity of my pleasure will of course be dependent on how much the rocket buff actually changes things. Tir Well on an optimistic note - take a look at the Hookbill now. Besides being hard to fit the dual web setup is very effective, showing what rockets could be and hopefully will be with proper attention. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: NOT FIXED
Yankunytjatjara Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.09.23 11:15:00 - [1182] End of the week approaches quickly, anybody found the new stuff? Or was it yet again a CCP troll (best troll)? And don't forget the tactical overview option for solo/small gangs: Ship Velocity Vectors
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.23 12:30:00 - [1183] Originally by: Yankunytjatjara End of the week approaches quickly, anybody found the new stuff? Or was it yet again a CCP troll (best troll)? No changes on there last night but I wouldn't expect anything till the end of next week at the earliest, anything before then is a bonus. If Chronotis has to wait for other devs to finish their work on sisi before he can implement the changes it won't be possible for him to give an exact date. We've waited two years so a week or two wouldn't make much difference, am very much looking forward to seeing the changes though :) _______ Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel.
Gecko O'Bac H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.09.23 16:38:00 - [1184] Originally by: yani dumyat Originally by: Yankunytjatjara End of the week approaches quickly, anybody found the new stuff? Or was it yet again a CCP troll (best troll)? No changes on there last night but I wouldn't expect anything till the end of next week at the earliest, anything before then is a bonus. If Chronotis has to wait for other devs to finish their work on sisi before he can implement the changes it won't be possible for him to give an exact date. We've waited two years so a week or two wouldn't make much difference, am very much looking forward to seeing the changes though :) I've waited for a broad band connection for 8 years and I can tell you that the last week before I finally got it was in every way worse than the rest of those 8 years :D
Crias Taylor GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.23 22:01:00 - [1185] Originally by: CCP Chronotis a quick update - the first set of balance changes to rockets should end up on sisi next week (possibly earlier but at the very least next week). For now as we mentioned previously, none of the changes should be too surprising, the explosion velocity got a boost along with the overall damage (RoF decreased whilst rocket damage increased) alongside increase in clip size). Specific numbers and detailed info on the changes will be posted next week in a sticky thread here in this forum at the to get the testing and feedback kicked off. You forgot about blasters... For over half a decade.
Henri Rearden Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.23 23:32:00 - [1186] woohoo! Thank you CCP, now I won't regret training Amarr nearly as much. And I might train for Caldari Assault ships too. :-)
Kail Storm Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.24 07:16:00 - [1187] Originally by: Crias Taylor Originally by: CCP Chronotis a quick update - the first set of balance changes to rockets should end up on sisi next week (possibly earlier but at the very least next week). For now as we mentioned previously, none of the changes should be too surprising, the explosion velocity got a boost along with the overall damage (RoF decreased whilst rocket damage increased) alongside increase in clip size). Specific numbers and detailed info on the changes will be posted next week in a sticky thread here in this forum at the to get the testing and feedback kicked off. You forgot about blasters... For over half a decade. If you played Eve before 2008 Blasters owned for almost the longest. They were BBQ`ers for the longest time, but as Player size of gangs like the Naptrain AKA NC went up blaster effect went down because its hard to fight 25 diff targets and have to MWD to each one to be effective, You new goonies Naping with NC are killing blasters yourselves -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.09.24 07:46:00 - [1188] Originally by: CCP Chronotis a quick update - the first set of balance changes to rockets should end up on sisi next week (possibly earlier but at the very least next week). For now as we mentioned previously, none of the changes should be too surprising, the explosion velocity got a boost along with the overall damage (RoF decreased whilst rocket damage increased) alongside increase in clip size). Specific numbers and detailed info on the changes will be posted next week in a sticky thread here in this forum at the to get the testing and feedback kicked off. Seems just like what i was suggesting two years ago... -- Thanks CCP for cu
Debby Dallas	Posted - 2010.09.24 13:38:00 - [1189] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Well on an optimistic note - take a look at the Hookbill now. Besides being hard to fit the dual web setup is very effective, showing what rockets could be and hopefully will be with proper attention. SHHHH!
Lemmy Kravitz	Posted - 2010.09.24 13:40:00 - [1190] I use rockets in my fits as heat syncs. they're there for what fail dps they can give. But mostly it's just there to soak up heat.

Sharton	Posted - 2010.09.24 14:06:00 - [1191] Originally by: Tonto Auri Seems just like what i was suggesting two years ago... Do you ever have something positive to say, or are you always an a$$ hat? By the way, you might want to try spell check once in a while.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.09.24 18:27:00 - [1192] Originally by: Sharton Originally by: Tonto Auri Seems just like what i was suggesting two years ago... Do you ever have something positive to say, or are you always an a$$ hat? By the way, you might want to try spell check once in a while. Who are you anyway, that I should consider your opinion important? Do you have anything meaningful to contribute to this topic? These changes I've suggested @2008-08-26, I still have file uploaded if you want to check it. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Sharton	Posted - 2010.09.24 19:23:00 - [1193] Originally by: Tonto Auri Who are you anyway, that I should consider your opinion important? Do you have anything meaningful to contribute to this topic? These changes I've suggested @2008-08-26, I still have file uploaded if you want to check it. Well, seeing how youÆre a noob, I donÆt consider you as having an opinion at all. Off topic :P
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.25 08:30:00 - [1194] Originally by: Sharton Well, seeing how youÆre a noob, I donÆt consider you as having an opinion at all. Off topic :P Does anyone have the phone number for proxy's care home? I think the mental patients must be getting unsupervised access to the internet again. Back on topic there's a new build on sisi, I'm getting a python error when I try to patch so no idea if it contains the rocket fix or not. _______ Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.09.25 17:55:00 - [1195] Originally by: yani dumyat Back on topic there's a new build on sisi, I'm getting a python error when I try to patch so no idea if it contains the rocket fix or not. Edit - no rocket fix on sisi for this build. It's "old" build. Based on different branch and probably contains even less "features". -- Thanks CCP for cu
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.09.26 14:27:00 - [1196] Chronotis - a while ago it was also hinted that light missiles are getting a look - any news on that? I could live without a buff to those if rockets were fixed but just wondering if there's anything in the works for them. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: NOT FIXED
Kadesh Priestess Scalding Chill	Posted - 2010.09.26 21:19:00 - [1197] Imo light missiles require explosion velocity boost much more than rockets.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.09.27 20:20:00 - [1198] Page 2 is still blasphemy. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: NOT FIXED
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.09.28 21:52:00 - [1199] Bump. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: NOT FIXED
OT Smithers	Posted - 2010.09.29 01:48:00 - [1200] I am very curious to see this "fix." Will it be enough to lift Caldari frigates up into balance with the other races? Will it be enough to compensate for the slowest frigates in the game or the lack of drones? And once Rockets are addressed -- assuming they are -- will CCP then turn their attention towards tuning the rest of the Caldari line up?



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