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Professor Perplex
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Posted - 2009.05.13 13:42:00 -
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i wish CCP was a corp in game that you could war dec and pod repeatedly.
for years there is nothing and suddenly they are nerfing in every direction. any idea when we will have stability so i can decide which ship i want to fly.
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Wolf Soldier
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.13 13:42:00 -
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fail!
This game eats up too much time as it is, with solo roaming nerfed you really want us buying second scout account or waiting for alliance scout/gang to jump into?
$ wins again.
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Katherine Cole
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Posted - 2009.05.13 13:54:00 -
[243]
 Originally by: Shiu
Welcome to the age of cloaks having more downsides. Personally I love it, and I fly alot of cov-ops
as long as mindless blobbing and gate camping with multiple bubbles and stupid numbers has no downside....
the cloak nerf is just another step in catering to the blob and making skirmish warfare more difficult again
and that is just bad for gameplay diversity and as such for the game as a whole, welcome to blob online
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2009.05.13 13:55:00 -
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I wonder why people should consider using a "buffed" viator in 0.0 instead of a cloaking occator. So much more space, 2 points defense against the occasional roamer, and almost same survival chances (almost 100% without camps/scouting, almost 0% if got in a camp).
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:32:00 -
[245]
Another step towards , gate camps online and alts online  . |
Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:52:00 -
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Look at the bright side. With the advantage of recons and t2 cruiser hulls (small roaming gangs) removed we'll be focusing much more on large blobs of T1 battleships. Also hotdropping caps.
Which means less demand for ferrogel, crashing t2 hull prices and less of the game being about holding dyspro moons and the ultramegasuperholycrapblobs they encourage on both sides.
Always a silver lining to every cloud. Also, I welcome many of my fellow players back to empire. Come on down, the jita's fine!
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Another step towards , gate camps online and alts online .
Yea, nub alts, cause you know they are going to die. 
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Ombey
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:06:00 -
[248]
I will wait for the patch and see what this means to the game. I am really worried that this will ruin the game for me- a lot of time is spent solo travelling. Fingers crossed it won't be the nightmare it sounds like.
2d EveMaps|My blog
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Thorvik
Valklear Guard
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:12:00 -
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Removing this game mechanic CCP effectively nerfs the only tank a Cheetah has (other than pilot skill).
Bad idea especially if they really want people to come into 0.0. Blobs will be the rule and small gang warfare will be a thing of the past.
As there is no comment from CCP I assume that I will need to mothball my covops ships in 0.0 until further notice and time to dust off the rifters in station.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:43:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Professor Perplex
i wish CCP was a corp in game that you could war dec and pod repeatedly.
They are actually corp ingame ("C C P" if i remember there corp name correctly)... I think u actually can wardec them... But it's impossible to pod them after one stupid guy tried that (that time it was possible)... 
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for years there is nothing and suddenly they are nerfing in every direction. any idea when we will have stability so i can decide which ship i want to fly.
How long have u played yet? For years there was heap load of boosts and nerfes... I play EVE for 2 years and there already was several times something being nerfed... And before that there was also nerfes... I still remember time when Dominix with Nosfratoes was killing machine and it was very hard to kill one (they had lots of capacitor and u had no capacitor at all)... And it's seems that there would never be stability to decide which ship to fly, so train as many ships as u can, at any given time some of them will be usefull...
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Vanderie
Amarr
Ignatium.
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:03:00 -
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CCP, if you implement this on Covert Ops Cloaks, you will have effectively cut the legs out from underneath them. No Cov Ops ship will be able to get past a bubble camp anymore, which is scary since they are supposed to be THE ship that can run past enemies properly. Not to mention Rapiers, Pilgrims, Arazus and Falcons now just got the shaft in terms of being able to scout (which is what I thought was the point of Force Recons).
Don't get me wrong, I agree that Prototype and Improved Cloaks should have this nerf applied as it's far too easy to do this trick with BS and such (hell, I can even do it with my Orca at the moment). But specialized ships like Covert Ops, Recons and the like already don't have much going for them in terms of survivability besides a small buffer tank and their Cloak; this just makes them even less useful.
Please reconsider the Covert Ops cloaks on this CCP.
-Vand
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Casino Alkasar
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:19:00 -
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Woot!
*\0/* fantastico!
RIP cov ops, byebye Recons
im sorry i did train ya, but the gods think youre not supposed to
be used as scouts.
Hello replacable Timmy ta Snooper how do ya like your
rusty T1 friggi?
*sniff*
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Nostradamus Negulesco
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:45:00 -
[253]
Edited by: Nostradamus Negulesco on 13/05/2009 16:45:35
Apologies if I'm asking for information to be repeated, but have CCP given any reason or explanation for this change? It seems to hand a significant advantage to gate-campers, but if mwd-cloaking was basically too effective then I suppose we have to live with it.
However, it does strike me as one of those bright ideas that haven't been quite thought through enough... I'd love to know the CCP stance on it - do they consider it a minor change? - and if they really know how it will impact the 0.0/low-sec experience
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Gramtar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:07:00 -
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Well, it's now apparent that this change is a side effect from a brute force fix to Falcons doing the uncloak > jam 1 cycle > recloak thing.
I could care less about the non-covops cloak changes, as I don't play in lowsec, but understand why people there were frustrated being unable to catch BS and haulers.
The change to 0.0 and covops/recons/blockade runners is a huge nerf, and stupid. There's really no reason to fly any of those classes of ships anymore, as any anchored/dictor bubble means almost guaranteed death. Looks like The Blob > *
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lljkDeathscythe
Heavy Influence
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:08:00 -
[255]
Edited by: lljkDeathscythe on 13/05/2009 17:10:56
This is rediculous. If this goes through i want my recons level 5 skillpoints refunding as they are now effectively useless.
covops, recons just got shafted badly... even now its quite possible to die on a gatecamp in a recon if u get unlucky.
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Gramtar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:15:00 -
[256]
Originally by: lljkDeathscythe
Edited by: lljkDeathscythe on 13/05/2009 17:10:56
This is rediculous. If this goes through i want my recons level 5 skillpoints refunding as they are now effectively useless.
covops, recons just got shafted badly... even now its quite possible to die on a gatecamp in a recon if u get unlucky.
Recons V crew checking in. Seriously wish I had trained HAC or Logiistics V instead.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:38:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Nostradamus Negulesco
Edited by: Nostradamus Negulesco on 13/05/2009 16:45:35
Apologies if I'm asking for information to be repeated, but have CCP given any reason or explanation for this change?
Read Patch Notes:
* When a Falcon cloaks and is jamming a ship, the icon showing that ECM is in progress and the jamming effect will be removed immediately. Additionally, CONCORD has declared all ôBECAUSE OF FALCONö jokes passT.
* If a ship cloaks, all active modules that modify attributes, such as ECM, will stop immediately and the icons showing the effect will disappear.
Nothing more then that yet...
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I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:40:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Trimutius III
Originally by: Nostradamus Negulesco
Edited by: Nostradamus Negulesco on 13/05/2009 16:45:35
Apologies if I'm asking for information to be repeated, but have CCP given any reason or explanation for this change?
Read Patch Notes:
* When a Falcon cloaks and is jamming a ship, the icon showing that ECM is in progress and the jamming effect will be removed immediately. Additionally, CONCORD has declared all ôBECAUSE OF FALCONö jokes passT.
* If a ship cloaks, all active modules that modify attributes, such as ECM, will stop immediately and the icons showing the effect will disappear.
Nothing more then that yet...
Because of falcon is no joke anymore. 
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Forty Three
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:50:00 -
[259]
all this will do is reward mindless gate blobbing, since a bubble will allow any group of morons to ctrl click f1 and kill anything that comes through, no matter what
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Gentle Behn
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:06:00 -
[260]
 this made moving an indy around in a wardeck possible. This ment that the care bear propping of halving concord arrivel time was unecessary. This accually took some amount of piloting skill to get a pilot in the sh*t out of trouble.
Good reason why please?
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:08:00 -
[261]
If you all think this is bad wait until the agility nerf is introduced. That one's still cooking in CCP's oven. Can't wait 'til all there is to do is sit at gates and camp them to death. Oh joy.
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Perplex
for years there is nothing and suddenly they are nerfing in every direction. any idea when we will have stability so i can decide which ship i want to fly.
What are you talking about? They've been "adjusting" ships and modules for years. You just haven't been flying ships that have been "adjusted" right out from under you.
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Nelson Negulesco
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:15:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Trimutius III
Originally by: Nostradamus Negulesco
Edited by: Nostradamus Negulesco on 13/05/2009 16:45:35
Apologies if I'm asking for information to be repeated, but have CCP given any reason or explanation for this change?
Read Patch Notes:
* When a Falcon cloaks and is jamming a ship, the icon showing that ECM is in progress and the jamming effect will be removed immediately. Additionally, CONCORD has declared all “BECAUSE OF FALCON” jokes passT.
* If a ship cloaks, all active modules that modify attributes, such as ECM, will stop immediately and the icons showing the effect will disappear.
Nothing more then that yet...
Because of falcon is no joke anymore.
So the cloak-mwd nerf is simply an component of a seperate nerf, aimed at a single shiptype, ie. cloaky recons? This seems like an issue that the devs should really look at
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:25:00 -
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Terrible, terrible idea. If COVERT OPS and recons can't get through gate camps any more...then wtf are we supposed to use? A 2bil t3 ship? You're essentially removing cov ops from the game with this change (they are useless if they can't scout....that's their only role in pvp).
If you wanna go through with the "cloak turns off mwd" thing, then fine, but give cov ops, recons, SBs and Black ops immunity to this change.
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:39:00 -
[265]
Dear CCP & Hamsters
Can't you just change your newest nerf into affecting ECM modules only? The entire threadnaught here would be happy again!
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Taanu
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:42:00 -
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Meh it's already hard enough trying to break out of a 40 man instalock gate camp in a vaga if they got sensor boosted inties. If CCP make this change solo 0.0 pvping will become impossible except for the rich people who can afford 2 accounts and 2 computers to fly alts. I get thru about 75% of camps but still lose enough vagabonds to make it interesting for both sides. This change will hand mega blob gate camps kills on a silver platter. Boring boring boring boring. Eve will finish up like Formulea 1 racing at this rate.
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Forlorn Wongraven
Universal Army
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:46:00 -
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It will take my only valueable pvp chance for me from the game. As caldari i nearly can't solo as good as the other races. The last patch boosted stealthbombers and the Rook - and nerfed the Falcon I didn't even bothered to undock since then. But overall the last patch was better for me. This one now kills me. Now that i have a good capable solo ship I can't use it anymore cause the huge alliances just put up gatecamps in their entry systems in 0.0 and I won't be able to pass them. Great move CCP! This subscription runs out in one month - you have time to remove that change.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:47:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Forty Three
all this will do is reward mindless gate blobbing, since a bubble will allow any group of morons to ctrl click f1 and kill anything that comes through, no matter what
Luckily not any group... Some dumb people aren't able even to decloak an Orca sometimes... But not in all gatecamps sitting such a stupid people... So basicly i agree... Covops had 10% of chance of being decloaked in normal camp, and with this change everything can be vice versa...
Nice Nerf of Falcons...
Does CCP really reads this?
Anyway tommorow we will see if MWD+Cloak trick is still available... maybe CCP will have a heap load of whiners just everywhere...
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I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:53:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Lord Makk
Dear CCP & Hamsters
Can't you just change your newest nerf into affecting ECM modules only? The entire threadnaught here would be happy again!
Ye.
YE.
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Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:05:00 -
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did CCP hire some Mythic devs?
sheesh
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