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The Kan Gallente Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:09:00 - [811] CCP: Serious question. dont delete this post i want a answer. The default insurance value will also be kept in dominion for the moms? or they will be gone as planned?
Walker Bulldog Minmatar VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:09:00 - [812] Originally by: Alar Tangor Originally by: Walker Bulldog Cruise Missiles V finish training in 28 minutes. Someone please explain to me why did I dump 1.28 million skillpoints (for a total of 4m sp in missiles now - as a pure Minmatar pilot) into yet another skill for a dread that's officially useless? better ratting in your raven? Pure Minmatar pilot. Total of 1500 skillpoints in non-Minmatar ships (amarr/caldari/gallente frigate 1).
Buxaroo Gallente The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:10:00 - [813] Originally by: Vadinho Originally by: Hk93g3 CCP is the new Sony? EVE is the new SWG? C/D? i was there when sony released the details for the nge to their playerbase. i can remember watching them deleting waves of posts on their forums from their players warning them how bad of an idea the changes were, and i thought, how could a company be so stupid how could a company be so stupid I was there to and I am quoting this to show where we are coming from. I was so ****ed when the NGE hit that I got all 2 of my SWG accounts banned from the game and the forums because I was equivocating SOE with Dubya and even posting pictures to illustrate it. And I never looked back. All of us stood there and just watched hopelessly as the game we all loved was morphed into the absolute worst contrivance known to an MMO. It got SO bad from people complaining that they even had to resort to giving out REFUNDS for the expansion because of the threats of class action lawsuits. And we were right. They promised all these new things to us, and everything they said was a complete and outright lie that changed the way the whole game worked. Look at Star Wars Galaxies now. It's not even worth the pixels these words are made of to talk about anymore. No one plays it. They lost 80% of their customers literally over night because of the NGE. All because some jackass who knows nothing of how the game worked or who wouldn't listen to how people who PLAY it actually felt about the changes they proposed. So essentially the last year of maxing out my alt's skills for using the mothership, the last 2 months of isk grinding and hoarding (which I loathe cus I would rather be playing the game as opposed to mindlessly grinding isk), all for naught. So now that I have no use for my alt, the account won't be resubbed on the 6th. I have ZERO use for it now. I am not gonna spend $15 just to move ships once a month when I can do it in a Rorqual. And to all of the idiots who think people like me won't quit the game or won't resub. Just go and google NGE and see how stubborn we can be. I walked away from that game without even blinking and burned every bridge I had with that game and I was a full fledged Star Wars fan in every way.
Damian Vilsalant Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:13:00 - [814] Ok, what the HELL is going on here CCP? You have now started stealthily deleting massive amounts of posts in this thread to give the impression that this is not so big an issue to the community. This is quickly becoming damn SoE who also suppress and manipulate their public forums to give the impression that they and their games don't suck... In the past posts were only edited (e.g. this post has been cleared of inappropriate content) but now "suddenly" the Ministry of Love seems to have started simply outright deleting posts whenever they can - I guess the reason is to keep the amount of pages on this thread as low as possible... I guess three 100 page whines within 2 weeks are simply too much for CCP to take. But instead of listening to us, your paying customers, you rather censor us and stealthily delete everything to maintain the impression that we don't think you fail, epically. Covering up your own ineptitude with some good old censorship... makes me puke. Please continue reading this thread here: http://eve-search.com/thread/1217073 EVE-search preserves most posts that were deemed "evil" and fell victim to CCPs new suppression policy. As you will see the thread on EVE search has over 3 pages more then this one! This is clear proof that CCP has been systematically and subversively influencing the flow of information here in the forums. You an really be proud of yourselves now CCP.
Aqua Tarkus ZER0. IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:21:00 - [815] CCP excluding Nozh will you give us an explanation why Abathur's proposals were/are bad?
dtyk	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:27:00 - [816] Originally by: Petar Quaresma Edited by: Petar Quaresma on 20/11/2009 09:49:18 Can someone remind what there is to look forward to in Dominion besides obvious design mistakes? Slightly better planet textures.
Cindy McCain GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:29:00 - [817] I was kinda excited about this expansion. I should of known better
Zeveron Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:30:00 - [818] Originally by: dtyk Originally by: Petar Quaresma Edited by: Petar Quaresma on 20/11/2009 09:49:18 Can someone remind what there is to look forward to in Dominion besides obvious design mistakes? Slightly better planet textures. hey you forgot the new browser and mail system :-) ________________________________________________
Sergeant Clawhammer	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:31:00 - [819] Hehe, CCP are hilarious. Now where is that Epic Fail ASCII art I keep seeing in Tash Murkon Prime?
Alar Tangor Caldari Decadence.	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:33:00 - [820] Originally by: Damian Vilsalant Ok, what the HELL is going on here CCP? You have now started stealthily deleting massive amounts of posts in this thread to give the impression that this is not so big an issue to the community. This is quickly becoming damn SoE who also suppress and manipulate their public forums to give the impression that they and their games don't suck... wait... now? stealthily? they have been deleting posts for hours keeping the thread at page 23 for about 4h while there was about 1 post every 5-10 minutes or so Alar's Official Mod-proof Sig
Ayshamara	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:35:00 - [821] Whats all this rubbish about narrowly defined roles for motherships? Surely if you are stuck in the damn thing because it cant dock it should have broad role capabilities. I suggest you leave the cloning vat on board so it can be used as a platform for other pilots to use as well as improving its damage dealing capabilities.
Tappits Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:35:00 - [822] Originally by: Telender http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/features/revelations2/vid-ivar.swf Everyone say hello to young Nozh. Not him. HE looks nothing like nore does he sound anything like the real one. ---------------------------------------------- Pro BOB????? I fail At forums
Clone 1 Occision	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:37:00 - [823] Before hanging up Nozh, we have been told in the past that these changes are not just made by one person and are ratified by a group. From '07 :"We expected such a drastic change to result in a lot of feedback. We did not expect the requests to prematurely end dear Zulupark's existence in this universe, some of which were very imaginative and in more ways than we thought possible. We'd like to point out all design matters are ratified in groups, so in the future, please include at least Hammerhead, Oveur and our janitor in any ill thoughts you may have as a result of EVE's direction. " Linkage But you cannot tell me that this devblog was ratified by a group of devs, although it does look like the janitor did have a hand in it. Now where did I put my rope? -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Peryner University of Caille	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:40:00 - [824] OMG, did the dev bog really say you learned your lesson about balancing based on price? what lesson! when did this happen! No wonder you guys don't care about risk vs. Reward. That in it's very nature is balance based on price. If you RISK 60 billion isk, the REWARD should be higher! this should ALWAYS be the direction of eve! tha's why I started playing : ( Anwyas, if you want to make titans useful make them have 2 dreads dps. And now.. get your programing pants on, make them dockable. Let people dock inside titans. Let people get in, and then the titan can jump. Get rid of titans pulling other ships through. When you die in battle you should wake up in the titan on field in a cruiser and be able to undock and get right back in the fight! Then the titan would be wroth the risk, and it would be a prime target.
Loco Eve State War Academy	Posted - 2009.11.20 10:51:00 - [825] Thanks to ccp nerfing every ship right after I trained it. Yes, that's correct I trained a ship because of what it WAS able to do yet again. I can confirm that this will be the last nerf I will ever give a crap about. I'm not going to renew any of my 4 accts. You need to wake up and fly right. The only reasonable solution would be to allow all cap pilots a one time chance to adjust all the time training they put into caps to distribute those skills and isk elsewhere. I know I would.
Tetovo Caldari Burning Technologies Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:00:00 - [826] Edited by: Tetovo on 20/11/2009 11:04:35 April fool's day is still 5 months away. what the **** is this First small alliances were happy because we thought we might be able to take a little piece of 0.0 and make it a little isk making paradise, then you crushed that dream. Then AF Pilots were happy because we would not have to absolutely nerf our tanking ability to keep up with our gangs, the idea of being a heavy tackler was realized, then you crushed that dream. And finally it looked as if all 4 types of capitals would be on the same battlefield, then you crushed that dream. Welp looks like I'll just go farm LP and get a navy domi. Please just release the new faction stuff, missions and crap. Then take a step back and think about sov and cap ships for a few months.
Ker HarSol Minmatar Zip - I	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:01:00 - [827] I don't get it. How is it even possible for such a guy to be a dev and responsible for capital ships if he even doesn't know the most basic game mechanics about them and how they are actually used in game? Why were the good changes from Abathur all deleted? What was wrong with them? Why is all the talk in the devblog so inconsitent? E.g titans should be the logistic backbone, but at the same time they get boni to be some super killers? And where is all the excellence gone? ALL the gameplay aspects of the new expansion caused massive sh*tstorms and outcries of the playerbase. What is wrong there? Why aren't people looking forward towards the next expansion but they almost all say 'fail fail fail', especially those who know a lot about gameplay. What is wrong?
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:02:00 - [828] Originally by: Peryner OMG, did the dev bog really say you learned your lesson about balancing based on price? what lesson! when did this happen! No wonder you guys don't care about risk vs. Reward. That in it's very nature is balance based on price. If you RISK 60 billion isk, the REWARD should be higher! this should ALWAYS be the direction of eve! tha's why I started playing : ( What CCP tried to balance based on price was the number of titans in game, not the price/performance. As we now ended up with 300 instead of the intended three they got the hint...
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:03:00 - [829] Originally by: LaVista Vista CCP isn't known to cut features like this so late in the game. The only thing that comes close was Combat Simulators, which was never announced nor play-tested. This isn't just a case of not being "able to commit". Ok, so it would be postponed to a subsequent patch(Dominion 1.1?), right? CCP has been "proud" about it's SCRUM structure and how the individual teams commit to the task they work on. Given that the teams ought to be in their last sprint(1 Sprint = 2 weeks or so), only realizing that the planning(Nor the actual feature) worked out poorly this late in the game is simply inexcusable. What happened to Abathur's mothership implementation? It had a huge sisi-testing session that yielded great feedback. Why was it killed? It seems like anything Nozh touches is bound to fail. Look at T3 and how it was seemingly done during the very last couple of sprints. Aren't we still missing the last subsystems for that, by the way? This.
Rex Hargrove Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:06:00 - [830] Maybe if make mother ships into uber mining ships they'll get buffed. Since the hulk is the most flown ship in the game, why not make motherhulks that can mine in high sec. I'm hoping to see this change snuck in for dominion.
Jakooni United Amarr Templar Legion Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:09:00 - [831] Free Abathur!
McEivalley Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:13:00 - [832] Originally by: Peryner OMG, did the dev bog really say you learned your lesson about balancing based on price? what lesson! when did this happen! No wonder you guys don't care about risk vs. Reward. That in it's very nature is balance based on price. If you RISK 60 billion isk, the REWARD should be higher! this should ALWAYS be the direction of eve! tha's why I started playing : ( Anwyas, if you want to make titans useful make them have 2 dreads dps. And now.. get your programing pants on, make them dockable. Let people dock inside titans. Let people get in, and then the titan can jump. Get rid of titans pulling other ships through. When you die in battle you should wake up in the titan on field in a cruiser and be able to undock and get right back in the fight! Then the titan would be wroth the risk, and it would be a prime target. Your ideas are banal and dull. You, sir, are on the verge of target painting dreadlaughs in siege for capital cruise molesting. I srsly convey my thoughts on this matter - allowing a small ship to dock or undock from a much larger one is science fiction and balancing risk for reward is soooo boring of you. I mean, your isk assessments ignore qualitative differences for titans such as they are a lot more pixels on the screen than any other ship (= a lot more art design time and coding for your money) which translates to a need to occupy more virtual low security space, secure it with modules that need upkeep, which in turn needs to be secured, as well as securing the upkeep effort... all of these cannot be offhanded dismissed! srsly, if you don't pull up a POS and offline the ship quickly enough you get ~goodfights~ coming your way real quick. And after that, there's no way any multi-logoffski trick will get you out of that mess... but I deviated. Thank you for your co-operation. You WANT to go to the isla... I mean dominion. Insert clever remark where?
Cornette Gallente Black Screen of Death Huzzah Federation	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:14:00 - [833] So guys, how many target painters do I need on my Naglfar to make it a "monster"? 2...? 3...? Aww screw it, it stays in the hangar until the day I really need the isk and self-destruct it for insurance. I regret wasting over a month of training on it, but maybe that it will be useful again 2014. Seriously I've never seen so much fail in a devblog before. CCP you should stop balancing stuff at the last minute before a deadline. I mean it, really. Admit that you screwed up with the first ideas and should really have postponed all the capital changes instead of making bad ones worse. Target painting dreads... Titans that can instapop moms... Thats really LAME! ---
Eniy Oh Gallente United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:14:00 - [834] Confirming my post at position #691 in this topic got deleted. I reposted my post from this http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1217285&page=1, as that topic got locked with a message saying "please keep all discussion here (this topic)". What's wrong CCP, can't you at least delete the content of my post with some message saying why it wasn't appropiate? This topic exists to provide feedback, if you don't like what I have to say, DEAL WITH IT. Don't silence us in a sneaky covert way, it seriously doesn't help your case. We are paying customers with very legitimate concerns, DON'T IGNORE US. You're wrecking your own game here, and you're making me, who was at first midly concerned, pretty damn **ed right now. And confirming I'm paying your company (5 x 15) x 12 = 900 euros/year. That's more than any other non-essential service I'm buying. In return for this trust I place in your company, I don't wish to be treated this way. Anyway, BACK ON TOPIC, hoping this won't get deleted: The release of Dominion should be delayed and all issues the playerbase has with it needs to be properly addressed. Or if this not an option step it up and fix it now when you still have time. Otherwise I fear CCP will have made one nerf too many, and **ed of its memberbase just a bit too much and you'll get a failure cascade of people unsubscribing like you've never seen before. --- The one whose ship names don't pass the sanity test while the rest of him is rather sane
Yazus Kor Naraka Holdings	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:14:00 - [835] @CCP: 'ur doing it wrong' "Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem."
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:15:00 - [836] So a feedback thread is pretty pointless if we don't get any responses about our concerns. Then again that's been the problem when dealing with CCP Nozh for the past week or so... You guys at CCP should be familiar how this works; make a huge change, a threadnaught happens, etc. Why don't you wait to post the devblog until people are actually ready and willing to respond to feedback? I don't want to tell you guys how to do your jobs but seriously, the longer you let things go without explanation/communication, the worse they get. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Tappits Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:15:00 - [837] Originally by: Muadd Dibb JUst cos a few pilots moan and whine that somthing they have will be nerfed you get all worried and change it Damm CCP there are 50000 plus players in EvE NOT 450. Because there was some thing wrong with speed and it did need looking at, this on the otherhand is something totaly different. ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ ---------------------------------------------- Pro BOB????? I fail At forums
Serena Ku Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:16:00 - [838] Ok so what exactly happened here CCP? Can you please explain why Abathur's tweaked supercapital design and feedback were disregarded and leave these majestic ships so utterly useless? If you simply kept Abathur's designs you'll have so many happy customers and CCP as a business will get more money out of that move. What happened? I think the EVE community deserves at least an answer to that question.
Sepheir Sepheron Caldari	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:17:00 - [839] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 20/11/2009 01:03:43 Target Painters *Do NOT Work* on Supercaps, Structures, or Sieged Caps lol CCP probably feels pretty dumb about this.
Vashan Tar GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:19:00 - [840] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 20/11/2009 01:03:43 Target Painters *Do NOT Work* on Supercaps, Structures, or Sieged Caps You do realise that with the constant contradicting statements that you have been releasing (two goddamn weeks before dominion is released), that you have completely lost any confidence people may have had that this expansion is not going to be a complete and utter abortion. You then appear to have assigned a dev who has NO CLUE about capital warfare and what actually happens in nullsec (docking motherships? Target painting towers? I don't even fly a cap and know that this is up there with the charge of the light brigade in DUMB THINGS TO DO), who then completely invalidates all the previous testing and feedback that has been given on sisi on what appeared to be well thought out propsals for the long overdue capital rebalance that has been sorely needed. Please take CCP Nozh off the capital team and put him on something where he's not going to (1) Expose his complete lack of knowledge about INTERNET SPACESHIPS (loltargetpainters) and (2) Won't cause icelands economy to tank (the second time) when you lose the only thing thats keeping it afloat, i.e your subscribers............... Put him somewhere where he won't completely sabotage the hard work done by dev's that actually appear to know what they're talking about. World of Darkness would be a good choice.

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