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Jacque Cruix Arrow Industries 1	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:08:00 - [271] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: You know the conversation is getting serious when two hooded guys go at it. My money is on the Goon. Safe bet. He has moar bro pubs to back him up.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1077	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:08:00 - [272] - Quote Riedle wrote: Unlike now where you could be back there no problem because of jump clones. Fixed your post! eh
Lord Zim 852	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:08:00 - [273] - Quote Riedle wrote: It's not the whole answer but its part of it. It will nerf the BLOB. And, you're wrong.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1077	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:08:00 - [274] - Quote Jacque Cruix wrote: Karl Hobb wrote: You know the conversation is getting serious when two hooded guys go at it. My money is on the Goon. Safe bet. He has moar bro pubs to back him up. no, just facts and actual experience in 0.0 eh
Marconus Orion Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies. 94	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:09:00 - [275] - Quote So you're going to make that thread discussing power projection to educate everyone?
Herr Hammer Draken Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:10:00 - [276] - Quote IMHO CCP made null sec and high sec the way they did on purpose so that the two areas would have to interact with each other. I believe the intention was to have a reason for frieght to travel to and from with pirates living in low to have a reason to intercept said frieght. The system was setup that way to get players to interact with each other. Not to make any one area of space independant of the other. High sec needs low sec minerals. Low sec needs high sec industry. And thus the interaction is set in place. Stuff has to flow back and forth for the economy to work. That said I suggest the players make the content of the game. If null is not viable and a dull place to be then look in the mirror. That is the solution to your problem. High sec is not your solution. Maybe players need more incentive to fight each other in null? If that is the case, then the players need to create the incentive I would think. The game is about player driven content. I will also say that most high sec players are rookies. The turn over is very high. Those that are not rookies are mostly industrialist. Again their is reason of interaction between high and null and that is why most industrialists are in high sec. Then you have the frieght haulers and they mostly live in high sec. Game is working as intended. Player driven content is lacking and that is the problem with null. The goons have some 9,000+ members in null, then how many other corps in null? I suggest there are plenty enough players in null to have meaningfull interaction. It is not high sec that is null's problem. Further many newbies join null sec corps. Red vs Blue or the goons or any other null corp that adverts for them. If null is loosing more players than they can keep then it is player driven content that is the problem.
Lord Zim 852	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:10:00 - [277] - Quote Marconus Orion wrote: So your going to make that thread discussing power projection to educate everyone? Nope.
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 20	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:10:00 - [278] - Quote Tenchi Sal wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Mirime Nolwe wrote: 0.0 dont have anything special to fight for, its a PVE festival. In my opinion CCP need to make some "resources" (moongoo, whatever) "random", and once they deplete (2/3 months) they should spawn in other systems, that way, the alliances will have more reasons to fight for space. In the current state i dont see why we should lose time with 0.0 warfare. Have you ever scanned a whole region for moons? Even once? god forbid a new profession should be introduced into the game: Moon Surveyor. lets keep the game stale. Lets make people do something that could very easily drive you to suicide out of frustration... more? Lets keep the playerbase alive. Another one with an opinion on something he knows nothing about.
Jacque Cruix Arrow Industries 1	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:11:00 - [279] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: no, just facts and actual experience in 0.0 You assume too much.
Rer Eirikr SniggWaffe 96	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:12:00 - [280] - Quote I think we can just chill in here for a bit, we seemed to have moved on from Null Sec Industry and we already have some discussion points.

Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 20	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:12:00 - [281] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: Red vs Blue or the goons or any other null corp that adverts for them. Red vs Blue live in null now?
dontbanmebro Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:13:00 - [282] - Quote Kuetlzelcoatl wrote: Trying to frame unwanted opinions as invalid is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Framing a discussion after you have already proven the invalidity of one side's arguments is perfectly valid. Just because I make fun of you for being wrong, doesn't make you right.
Riedle Paradox Collective Choke Point 159	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:13:00 - [283] - Quote Rer Eirikr wrote: What do Jump Bridges have to do with the fact that the CFC has a lot of allies in relatively close proximity to it? Rephrase, Jump Bridges do not create NAPfests, and vice-versa. Sov mechanics create NAPfests. SOV mechanics suck as well but I don't participate in SOV, just PVP so they don't concern me. JB's on the other hand.. Besides, making it more labourious to get around New Eden will make the game seem 'big' again. PS: With the amount of anger coming from some of the biggest users of JB's, I'd say we are on the right track with nerfing them.
Marconus Orion Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies. 94	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:14:00 - [284] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Marconus Orion wrote: So your going to make that thread discussing power projection to educate everyone? Nope. Why not? You want people to be informed right? You and others in this thread are constantly pointing out how others are wrong when it comes to power projection. Make the thread and educate.
dontbanmebro Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:14:00 - [285] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: If null is not viable and a dull place to be Oh, sweet then it isn't and these threads are just shadow whines about t2 prices by people who have no clue what they're talking about.
Rer Eirikr SniggWaffe 96	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:15:00 - [286] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: If null is loosing more players than they can keep then it is player driven content that is the problem. I'd suggest going to page 10 and reading about our conversation on Null Sec Industry. Farms & Fields and whatnot.
Riedle Paradox Collective Choke Point 160	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:15:00 - [287] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Riedle wrote: It's not the whole answer but its part of it. It will nerf the BLOB. And, you're wrong. Compelling argument good chap.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1077	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:17:00 - [288] - Quote Riedle wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Riedle wrote: It's not the whole answer but its part of it. It will nerf the BLOB. And, you're wrong. Compelling argument good chap. What's wrong with THE BIG BAD BLOB? People kinda hear about the huge fleet fights in EVE - nobody reads about 10 dudes going against all odds and conquering an incursion vanguard, nobody cares about skirmishes between nano gangs. Fleet fights with hundreds of individual players involved make for good publicity. eh
Herr Hammer Draken Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:18:00 - [289] - Quote dontbanmebro wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: If null is not viable and a dull place to be Oh, sweet then it isn't and these threads are just shadow whines about t2 prices by people who have no clue what they're talking about. Look in the mirror for your problems.
dontbanmebro Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:18:00 - [290] - Quote Riedle wrote: PS: With the amount of anger coming from some of the biggest users of JB's, I'd say we are on the right track with nerfing them. "We should deport all x people from our country because they're all actually subversive fifth columnists for martians. Look how mad all these x people are getting, we must be on the right track." Seriously, seriously, seriously dumb argument. Like 5th grade child level. Are you, by chance, ten years old? If so, I apologize.

Dragon Outlaw Rogue Fleet 116	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:20:00 - [291] - Quote Reading this thread makes me wonder if the lvl of "disagreement" in the Greek parliament is not has high has in here. But here is my two cents anyway on the matter. In order to "revive" Null, maybe CCP needs to : 1- Lower the ability of power projection in the game. (make the galaxy feel immense and not like a small board game) 2- Remove all the free intel that is currently available. 3- Allow the ability to fly between systems and at the same time find new and more dynamic ways of catching ships. 4- Do something about Tech moon concentration. (balance tech goo throughout the galaxy) 5- Remove AFK cloacking from the game. 6- Introduce the "Line Of Sight" factor. (no more firing through objects) I am sure a lot of people will disagree with the above. Some would probably even unsub if CCP would go ahead with only one of them. On the long run however, I have a feeling these changes would make 0.0 more fun to venture in.
Cameron Cahill GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 21	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:21:00 - [292] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: dontbanmebro wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: If null is not viable and a dull place to be Oh, sweet then it isn't and these threads are just shadow whines about t2 prices by people who have no clue what they're talking about. Look in the mirror for your problems. No we look in the mirror at you're problems.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1077	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:21:00 - [293] - Quote Dragon Outlaw wrote: Reading this thread makes me wonder if the lvl of "disagreement" in the Greek parliament is not has high has in here. But here is my two cents anyway on the matter. In order to "revive" Null, maybe CCP needs to : Kill it entirely this is closer to what you're trying to say eh
dontbanmebro Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:21:00 - [294] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: Look in the mirror for your problems. What problems? I know you love the big speech you have that you copy paste into anywhere you think you can shoehorn it, but what actual problems are you suggesting you're solving? I know this question will require you to make a self-reflective intellectual inventory that will weaken you conviction to copy paste your self-described posting masterpiece, but I suggest you need to look in the mirror to solve this problem. P.S. owned
Lord Zim 854	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:23:00 - [295] - Quote dontbanmebro wrote: Riedle wrote: PS: With the amount of anger coming from some of the biggest users of JB's, I'd say we are on the right track with nerfing them. "We should deport all x people from our country because they're all actually subversive fifth columnists for martians. Look how mad all these x people are getting, we must be on the right track." Seriously, seriously, seriously dumb argument. Like 5th grade child level. Are you, by chance, ten years old? If so, I apologize. Shh, he thinks we use jumpbridges to freighter ships all the way down from deklein to delve, and that we always take the jumpbridge while travelling from vfk to whatever system in delve when we go for our annual freeport session in delve.
Riedle Paradox Collective Choke Point 160	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:23:00 - [296] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Riedle wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Riedle wrote: It's not the whole answer but its part of it. It will nerf the BLOB. And, you're wrong. Compelling argument good chap. What's wrong with THE BIG BAD BLOB? People kinda hear about the huge fleet fights in EVE - nobody reads about 10 dudes going against all odds and conquering an incursion vanguard, nobody cares about skirmishes between nano gangs. Fleet fights with hundreds of individual players involved make for good publicity. So you're argument, essentially, is that Quote: BLOB PVP is the only PVP!!!oneone11!! Again, compelling argument good chap. lol What are the most popular PVP videos invloving EVE? Not BLOB fests, that's for sure. Anyways, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any BLOB warfare, so relax my little lemming friend - I'm just saying it should be a little harder to project the BLOBS power around the vast reaches of New Eden. So relax, you will still have your FC barking orders to you if we nerf jump bridges. there there
Tenchi Sal Dust Bunnies 514 101	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:24:00 - [297] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Tenchi Sal wrote: god forbid a new profession should be introduced into the game: Moon Surveyor. lets keep the game stale. Okay. How would this make scanning a whole region multiple times a year not suck dicks? I think you missed the idea of the whole new profession. You don't have to be the one doing it.
Riedle Paradox Collective Choke Point 160	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:24:00 - [298] - Quote dontbanmebro wrote: Riedle wrote: PS: With the amount of anger coming from some of the biggest users of JB's, I'd say we are on the right track with nerfing them. "We should deport all x people from our country because they're all actually subversive fifth columnists for martians. Look how mad all these x people are getting, we must be on the right track." Seriously, seriously, seriously dumb argument. Like 5th grade child level. Are you, by chance, ten years old? If so, I apologize. U MAD
Herr Hammer Draken Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:24:00 - [299] - Quote Rer Eirikr wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: If null is loosing more players than they can keep then it is player driven content that is the problem. I'd suggest going to page 10 and reading about our conversation on Null Sec Industry. Farms & Fields and whatnot. Null sec industry is not meant to be self sufficient. Working as intended. But then neither is high sec, as can not build capital ships, working as intended.
Marconus Orion Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies. 95	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:25:00 - [300] - Quote Let's assume moon probing not only must be done with the same exact mechanic we have now, but let us also assume an entire region has to be scanned by one lone guy while the rest of his alliance doesn't help... lol



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