/facepalm, and here I thought we were making progress with the whole "even if we bring Null-Bears to Null Sec right now there's no point"

oh I forgot to mention you can't mission-run in conquerable nullsec in my list of disadvantages before.

One outpost per system is apparently a technical limitation that was never fixed (this is also why 0.0 stations cannot have agents). The upgrades were designed a long time ago and most are hilariously bad. There are a handful of upgrades that allow you to do things better in null than highsec (e.g. a 60% time reduction on ME, for 10 slots of ME research) but at enormous cost. Factories cannot be upgraded to perfect refines (top out at 30%), refineries cannot be upgraded with significant slots (19 max, when I said 17 before I misremembered). Since you are limited in the amount of upgrades you install you cannot do some basic things (like get a refinery to 50% AND max out its factory slots). Caldari stations (research stations) are laughably bad compared to pos labs so they're rarely dropped. You pretty much drop one to help out your newbies researching frigate prints.

Just for good measure, all stations besides Gallente, have hideously low numbers of offices (6 or less). This is so severely problematic we drop gallente outposts all the time, which are utterly useless as anything but a block of 20 offices.

leave hs alone, you don't LIVE there

First things first - leave hs alone, you don't LIVE there, leave it. Second, so it seems that real problem is not us carebears making easy isk but all those restrictions to your null industry!? Well, nice to know THE REASON why you're so envious and angry

Well, seems to me, this is the biggest reason for null sec not growing. How does CCP expect any sort of market place developing in this region without the stations and low level resources needed to support it?

Is this related to the work to be done on POSs?

Have fun installing a job when the queue is a month long before it even starts your job. .

its easier manufacturing in a POS Than an Outpost.

Have fun installing a job when the queue is a month long before it even starts your job.

Ok. Clearly, I confused POS and Outpost. Off to read more about it. Thanks!

Of course that doesn't stop the legions of uninformed having an opinion on things they know nothing about.

there is always a station within three jumps of jita with either no queue or less than a day

always

First things first - leave hs alone, you don't LIVE there

Yes high sec has a gazzilion more industry slots to work with, but also has a gazzilion more people using them. Have fun installing a job when the queue is a month long before it even starts your job.

Given all of the above, is it any wonder why many industrials choose to stay out of null sec? And I haven't even mentioned the Alliance politics that we had to deal with.

First and foremost - need to severely nerf or get rid of altogether 0 jump bridges.
Why?

Glad you asked. This makes is relatively easy for some players to dominate a relatively large section of space out of whack with the numbers of people in their alliance/coalition. If we severely nerf jump bridges what we are doing is nerfing power projections and therefore we are encouraging more small/mid size sov owning alliances which encourages more people to set up shop in null. No matter how large and powerful an alliance in null is, it will be hard to convince 400 pilots to jump 50 jumps to shoot a POS. lol Therefore, less will and coalitions/large alliances become more localized and are unable to vast swaths of empty space like they do today.

Oh look, another incompetent "hurr nerf jumpbridges it will nerf power projection" post.

I'm going to assume that you have absolutely no idea how nullsec warfare actually works, and that you think this concept of "forward staging systems" is just something I made up right now.

Nerfing JFs or Jump Bridges does nothing to solve the massive issue of Null Sec Industry, nor does it "fix power projection", it just gives gate campers more targets while making large Null Sec Empires even more of a huge pain in the ass to maintain, not to mention lowering the availability of ships for PvP.

These days when Alliances are serious about a war, they deploy. Whether that means setting up a a gajillion staging POSes or renting out your bro's couch (station) for awhile, they'll find a way to get where the action is.

Sorry, maybe I am having trouble seeing your argument through the invective, but can you point out where your countered my proposal?

Thanks

But without jump bridges the sales job that 'This is an essential OP to the Alliance will become that much harder to make once you have fleet members jump 40 jumps each way to attack a POS of a smaller alliance you have never heard of.

Oh look, another incompetent "hurr nerf jumpbridges it will nerf power projection" post.

I'm going to assume that you have absolutely no idea how nullsec warfare actually works, and that you think this concept of "forward staging systems" is just something I made up right now.

First and foremost - need to severely nerf or get rid of altogether 0 jump bridges.
Why?

Glad you asked. This makes is relatively easy for some players to dominate a relatively large section of space out of whack with the numbers of people in their alliance/coalition.