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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1076
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:37:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Why go to the trouble of setting up multiple "forward staging systems" on the edges of your territory when you can have one home system and if something goes down, grab the closest jump bridge/Titan bridge and be there in a few moments??
Jump bridges is a form of power projection. You can't dispute that Lord Zim.
clearly jump bridges allow an invasion 7 regions away to be staged from home eh |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1291
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:39:00 -
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jump bridges are the PL tech cartel backbone |

baltec1
1517
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:39:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Why go to the trouble of setting up multiple "forward staging systems" on the edges of your territory when you can have one home system and if something goes down, grab the closest jump bridge/Titan bridge and be there in a few moments??
Jump bridges is a form of power projection. You can't dispute that Lord Zim. clearly jump bridges allow an invasion 7 regions away to be staged from home
I know I never have to get my megathrons half way across known space to get to the staging point ever |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1291
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Why go to the trouble of setting up multiple "forward staging systems" on the edges of your territory when you can have one home system and if something goes down, grab the closest jump bridge/Titan bridge and be there in a few moments??
Jump bridges is a form of power projection. You can't dispute that Lord Zim. clearly jump bridges allow an invasion 7 regions away to be staged from home I know I never have to get my megathrons half way across known space to get to the staging point ever  I dunno how -A- and the SC could have based themselves in Stain and fought the DRF without their jump bridges |

dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:41:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Why go to the trouble of setting up multiple "forward staging systems" on the edges of your territory when you can have one home system and if something goes down, grab the closest jump bridge/Titan bridge and be there in a few moments??
...you're asking as if you know the answer, when the answer is that nullsec alliances do deploy and don't use JBs to "project power". Your suggestion is directly refutable by verifiable facts. You should stop posting about topics you know nothing about, especially when someone has already explained why you are wrong.
Marconus Orion wrote:Jump bridges is a form of power projection. You can't dispute that Lord Zim.
Yes he can. He already has. All you have done is suggest some fact that is directly refutable by verifiable facts. Again, if you don't know, don't talk.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1076
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:41:00 -
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greyscale saying that jump bridges are a significant factor in force projection made me lol irl (In Real Life) eh |

Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
93
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:41:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:http://i.imgur.com/uOTJ4.jpg
tell me more about how you can't find an open slot near jita, I found hundreds, 35 in just one station
that doesn't count the slots that will be free within hours
Seriously, did I not reply later in the thread about this?? |

Lord Zim
852
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:41:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Why go to the trouble of setting up multiple "forward staging systems" on the edges of your territory when you can have one home system and if something goes down, grab the closest jump bridge/Titan bridge and be there in a few moments?? Because it means I can wait for a ping, log in, sit in a POS while people mill about and sort themselves out, jump a few jumps, shoot faggots in the face, jump the few jumps back and be home in time for supper.
Instead of, you know, jumping from vfk to pf- and back again day out and day in and making the JB fuellers commit suicide and having the entire fleet stuck on multiple JBs because the fuellers commited suicide or forgot to fill up the JB properly so the fleet is now split in half or 3 pieces or more. And, let's not forget the fact it would take probably an hour each way in total.
No, I have no idea why we should go to the "trouble of" setting up a forward staging system. No idea at all, it's a complete mystery to me which has always eluded me.
Marconus Orion wrote:Jump bridges is a form of power projection. You can't dispute that Lord Zim. You want to talk about "power projection"? Have a look at all the capitals out there. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1076
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:44:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Seriously, did I not reply later in the thread about this??
i'm merely emphasizing the fact that manufacturing close to jita is easy as hell eh |

dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:47:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:You want to talk about "power projection"? Have a look at all the capitals out there.
Correct. Capital fleets and dominion sov timers are what allow groups to control enormous amounts of space.
Jump bridges are mostly an internal upgrade that allows people to make their day to day in their space better, and they actually incentivize laying a claim to something.
If you want to make nullsec "less vibrant", then nerf/remove jump bridges
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1077
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:48:00 -
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"nerf jump bridges that will teach those ~nullbears~ hell yeah small alliances"
*shoves a battleship, battlecruiser, logi, recon, dictor and interceptor into one carrier, hops to staging system with 2 midpoints* eh |

Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
93
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:50:00 -
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Yes, capitals are a form of power projection. Have I ever said they were not?
This thread is starting to be derailed so if you want to take 'power projection' to another thread, I'm game. You can list all the mechanics that fall under it and how much it contributes to power projection. Here is your chance to set everyone straight on what is what. |

Lord Zim
852
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:51:00 -
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Clearly, jumpbridges and jumpdrives must be removed from any and all ships.
And once that doesn't help, then clearly there must be a mass limitation pr day pr gate. LET'S LIMIT THAT FORCE PROJECTION SOMETHING FIERCE, GUYS AWW YEAH |

March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
201
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:51:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:0.0 is about empire building. That's why there's sov, that's why there's alliances, that's why you get your name on the map. Scrublord 'guudfitz' lowsec roamers, friendless highsec nobodies, and anyone who bleats about "blobbing" lacks any understanding of null. Null is about building empires, massive wars, and the like. A good null design includes a place for you - as serfs - because people with the will to power to create a nullsec empire need peasant villages to raze and plunder. But with your narrow-minded concerns over scraping isk from rocks, you lack the vision to have any meaningful input on the design of null, aside from suggesting what sort of salt lick would attract you. i feel really bad when i agree with goon....
Something is happens of the forums  |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1077
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:52:00 -
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oh no jump drives are nerfed
*looks for a wormhole* eh |

dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:53:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Yes, capitals are a form of power projection. Have I ever said they were not?
This thread is starting to be derailed so if you want to take 'power projection' to another thread, I'm game. You can list all the mechanics that fall under it and how much it contributes to power projection. Here is your chance to set everyone straight on what is what.
Hey, just admit you spoke without thinking, and learn a valuable life lesson in the meantime. Who sayd time spent in video games is wasted?
No need to run backwards so fast; you might fall over and hurt yourself.
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Lord Zim
852
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:53:00 -
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clearly wormholes need a mass limi...heeey wait a minute |

Jacque Cruix
Arrow Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:54:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:greyscale saying that jump bridges are a significant factor in force projection made me lol irl (In Real Life)
It certainly helped me get into the fight a region away with very low risk after showing up late in the fight. Help many others as well.
Besides, if they are not so important, they shouldn't be missed too much should they?
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Lord Zim
852
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:54:00 -
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dontbanmebro wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Yes, capitals are a form of power projection. Have I ever said they were not?
This thread is starting to be derailed so if you want to take 'power projection' to another thread, I'm game. You can list all the mechanics that fall under it and how much it contributes to power projection. Here is your chance to set everyone straight on what is what. Hey, just admit you spoke without thinking, and learn a valuable life lesson in the meantime. Who sayd time spent in video games is wasted? No need to run backwards so fast; you might fall over and hurt yourself. Marlona Sky? Speaking without thinking?
Aw shucks. |

Lord Zim
852
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:55:00 -
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Jacque Cruix wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:greyscale saying that jump bridges are a significant factor in force projection made me lol irl (In Real Life) It certainly helped me get into the fight a region away with very low risk after showing up late in the fight. Help many others as well. Besides, if they are not so important, they shouldn't be missed too much should they? Nah, people need to actually live in nullsec to miss jumpbridges. |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1077
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:55:00 -
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Jacque Cruix wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:greyscale saying that jump bridges are a significant factor in force projection made me lol irl (In Real Life) It certainly helped me get into the fight a region away with very low risk after showing up late in the fight. Help many others as well. Besides, if they are not so important, they shouldn't be missed too much should they?
catching stragglers is easy as hell
and I'm sure you've been in many fights contesting sovereignty for your one-man corp eh |

Jacque Cruix
Arrow Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:58:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Jacque Cruix wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:greyscale saying that jump bridges are a significant factor in force projection made me lol irl (In Real Life) It certainly helped me get into the fight a region away with very low risk after showing up late in the fight. Help many others as well. Besides, if they are not so important, they shouldn't be missed too much should they? catching stragglers is easy as hell and I'm sure you've been in many fights contesting sovereignty for your one-man corp
Lol, yes I know. I should get an alt and have him in an alliance somewhere. |

dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:59:00 -
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Is this is some kind of "they turk mah incursions so I'm gonna turk their JBs" or something?
All these people opining on things they clearly have no familiarity with or understanding of...it's just weird. |

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
362
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:02:00 -
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You know the conversation is getting serious when two hooded guys go at it.
My money is on the Goon. Nothing Found |

Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
100
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:02:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Mirime Nolwe wrote:0.0 dont have anything special to fight for, its a PVE festival. In my opinion CCP need to make some "resources" (moongoo, whatever) "random", and once they deplete (2/3 months) they should spawn in other systems, that way, the alliances will have more reasons to fight for space.
In the current state i dont see why we should lose time with 0.0 warfare. Have you ever scanned a whole region for moons? Even once?
god forbid a new profession should be introduced into the game: Moon Surveyor.
lets keep the game stale. |

Kuetlzelcoatl
Minmatar Marauders It's A Trap Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:02:00 -
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dontbanmebro wrote: All these people opining on things they clearly have no familiarity with or understanding of...it's just weird.
Trying to frame unwanted opinions as invalid is one of the oldest tricks in the book.
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Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
159
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:02:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Riedle wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Oh look, another incompetent "hurr nerf jumpbridges it will nerf power projection" post.
I'm going to assume that you have absolutely no idea how nullsec warfare actually works, and that you think this concept of "forward staging systems" is just something I made up right now. Sorry, maybe I am having trouble seeing your argument through the invective, but can you point out where your countered my proposal? Thanks When we conquered cloud ring, we used a staging system close to cloud ring. When we conquered fountain, we used a staging system close to cloud ring (and after a while, it was even inside fountain). When we freeported delve, we had a staging system close to/in delve. No jumpbridges were used out of necessity.
Pretty sure you used jump bridges to move your stuff as close to the staging system as possible...
In anycase, you are missing my point - if it weren't such a NAPfest around your owned space because you were able to project your power so easily using jump bridges - you would have to think twice about moving all of your PVP pilots around New Eden to a staging system as more likely you would have a neighbour close to you who would take advantage of your absense.
Unlike now where you could be back there no problem because of jump bridges.
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Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
159
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:05:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:Riedle wrote:Quote:These days when Alliances are serious about a war, they deploy. Whether that means setting up a a gajillion staging POSes or renting out your bro's couch (station) for awhile, they'll find a way to get where the action is. But without jump bridges the sales job that 'This is an essential OP to the Alliance will become that much harder to make once you have fleet members jump 40 jumps each way to attack a POS of a smaller alliance you have never heard of. True, but most Alliances really don't sound the Horn of War for some small corporation's POS, unless if they did something stupid like assault a Moon that they clearly can't hold onto. I'm not against small groups having a home in Null, I love me some small-scale PvP, but I'm still not convinced that nerfing Jump Bridges as a means of creating apathy within large coalitions is the right answer.
It's not the whole answer but its part of it. It will nerf the BLOB. Everyone wins when the BLOB is nerfed unless you are part of the BLOB |

Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
96
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:06:00 -
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What do Jump Bridges have to do with the fact that the CFC has a lot of allies in relatively close proximity to it?  |

Lord Zim
852
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:08:00 -
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Tenchi Sal wrote:god forbid a new profession should be introduced into the game: Moon Surveyor.
lets keep the game stale. Okay. How would this make scanning a whole region multiple times a year not suck dicks?
Riedle wrote:Pretty sure you used jump bridges to move your stuff as close to the staging system as possible... You're wrong.
Riedle wrote:In anycase, you are missing my point - if it weren't such a NAPfest around your owned space because you were able to project your power so easily using jump bridges You're wrong.
Riedle wrote:you would have to think twice about moving all of your PVP pilots around New Eden to a staging system as more likely you would have a neighbour close to you who would take advantage of your absense. You're wrong.
Riedle wrote:Unlike now where you could be back there no problem because of jump bridges. You're wrong. |
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