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Lord Zim
858
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:52:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:you seem to think that nerfing jump bridges would kill off large nullsec blocs, allow small alliances to settle in nullsec and magically fix the game At least we're settled on the fact that the mega-blocks are the problem. Unfortunately there's probably no real way around that as things stand. First of all, it's blocs, not blocks.
Second of all, it's not "the problem", "the problem" is that "the megablocs" have no proper casus belli to go to war against eachother. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1292
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:53:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Says the guy that just insults people when they don't agree with him?
ok, whatever floats your boat I guess. lols I dunno, irrefutable facts like how Pandemic Legion doesn't have a single jump bridge (or sov) yet controls as much of the tech supply as Goonswarm doesn't seem to get any response from you and your "jump bridges are OP only carebears disagree" screed, maybe insulting is the way to go. |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
160
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:53:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:you seem to think that nerfing jump bridges would kill off large nullsec blocs, allow small alliances to settle in nullsec and magically fix the game
fun fact: even if force projection was nerfed, the last thing we'd allow to happen is some small alliance setting up near our space - we'd purge them immediately considering that they'd collapse under the threat of an invasion by one of our enemies
Me? No, I have no interest in SOV.
I want more people TO have an interest in SOV so we have more people to hunt.
Killing the SOVee or SOVer makes no difference to me lol |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3543
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:53:00 -
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Riedle wrote: Says the guy that just insults people when they don't agree with him?
ok, whatever floats your boat I guess. lols
the only thing you've offered to support your ideas is placing your personal seal of approval on it
your ideas are bad therefore your personal seal of approval is bad
please stop using it |

Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
96
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:54:00 -
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Riedle wrote:It would make it harder to move around your BLOBS thus the only people who would be ok with fighting on the other side of New Eden at the drop of a hat would be capital ship owners.
*Puts **** in cap, puts bro's **** in cap*
*Jumps cap*
*Bro jump clones*
HEY WE'RE HERE!
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3543
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:55:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:you seem to think that nerfing jump bridges would kill off large nullsec blocs, allow small alliances to settle in nullsec and magically fix the game At least we're settled on the fact that the mega-blocks are the problem. Unfortunately there's probably no real way around that as things stand. Nullsec is about empires, worthless scum who complain about megablocks are nutjobs who believe they can cut it in 0.0 but are unable to make any friends and so they're left ranting that it's all ccp's fault that they're not king of a region
this is much the same as cheetos-stained libertarians are sure they will be lords once big government gets out of the way |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3544
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:56:00 -
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if you want to play sandcastle king by yourself go live in a wormhole, 0.0 is for people who can make friends |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:56:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Malphilos wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:you seem to think that nerfing jump bridges would kill off large nullsec blocs, allow small alliances to settle in nullsec and magically fix the game At least we're settled on the fact that the mega-blocks are the problem. Unfortunately there's probably no real way around that as things stand. Nullsec is about empires, worthless scum who complain about megablocks are nutjobs who believe they can cut it in 0.0 but are unable to make any friends and so they're left ranting that it's all ccp's fault that they're not king of a region this is much the same as cheetos-stained libertarians are sure they will be lords once big government gets out of the way
Time to get the thread locked, eh? 
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1078
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:56:00 -
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Riedle wrote:I want more people TO have an interest in SOV so we have more people to hunt.
good point! however, I'll counter that with the fact the removal of jump bridges and jump drives would cause alliances, regardless of size, to concentrate themselves into much smaller areas of space, effectively negating the point of nerfing them in the first place, because THE BIG BAD BLOB is still close by. eh |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
160
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:57:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Riedle wrote:Says the guy that just insults people when they don't agree with him?
ok, whatever floats your boat I guess. lols I dunno, irrefutable facts like how Pandemic Legion doesn't have a single jump bridge (or sov) yet controls as much of the tech supply as Goonswarm doesn't seem to get any response from you and your "jump bridges are OP only carebears disagree" screed, maybe insulting is the way to go.
Perhaps. I don't really think of PL as Blobbers. They are the anti Blobbers if anything. They are the one Anti-SOV Alliance that is still able to project power. I think we need more of them - not less.
Removing/Nerfing JB's wouldn't discourage a PL so what was your argument again? |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3544
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:59:00 -
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Riedle wrote: Perhaps. I don't really think of PL as Blobbers. They are the anti Blobbers if anything. They are the one Anti-SOV Alliance that is still able to project power. I think we need more of them - not less.
Removing/Nerfing JB's wouldn't discourage a PL so what was your argument again?
what you think is irrelevant because we all know it has no connection to reality |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1078
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:59:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Perhaps. I don't really think of PL as Blobbers. They are the anti Blobbers if anything.
You're aware that PL had to throw that fantastic notion away when they started taking tech moons, right? eh |

Wibla
Backwater Redux Tactical Narcotics Team
62
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:59:00 -
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It's funny to see how people who have never been in nullsec for longer than the time it took to get popped in EC- or HED talk about "nullbears" and how jump bridges destroy anything at all.
As Lord Zim mentioned above, the JB nerf didn't really change anything. Force projection can be done by many means, jump bridges just make it easier for the regular members to *live* in nullsec.
If CCP wants to "fix nullsec", they can start by making the rewards scale a bit better with the risk involved and make us less dependent on hisec for our supplies and ships.
Stuff like *gasp* allowing multiple outposts per system, and/or upping the number of offices and production slots in stations across the board would go a long way.
Oh and fixing the gaping wound that is SOV... |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1293
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:59:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:this is much the same as cheetos-stained libertarians are sure they will be lords once big government gets out of the way to use a walking dead analogy
Libertarian fantasy: Zombies take over and they become the shane walsh of their social group Libertarian reality: Zombies take over, they become that fat lazy redneck from season 1 that shane beats half to death for getting out of line with the women |

Lord Zim
859
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:00:00 -
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Riedle wrote:It would make it harder to move around your BLOBS thus the only people who would be ok with fighting on the other side of New Eden at the drop of a hat would be capital ship owners. The only reason you're talking about capital ships now is because I've told you they exist, isn't it?
Riedle wrote:When not all your neighbours are blue for 6 regions around you, it makes it riskier to use the other methods of moving around New Eden Null Sec. Nope. It really doesn't.
You haven't actually been in a proper war at all, have you? Have you even seen a jumpbridge with your own eyes?
Riedle wrote:Perhaps. I don't really think of PL as Blobbers. They are the anti Blobbers if anything. They are the one Anti-SOV Alliance that is still able to project power. I think we need more of them - not less. Heh, PL, "anti-blob". That's a good one.
Riedle wrote:Removing/Nerfing JB's wouldn't discourage a PL so what was your argument again? I'm going to make a wild assumption and assume that you can't connect the dots between "PL doesn't have JBs" and "PL controls just as many tech moons as goonswarm". |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3544
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:00:00 -
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you know nothing about 0.0 and can't make enough friends to hack it, lowsec and wormholes are the place for you
while you are not a highsec miner, and ought to be praised for that, you are equally unfit to discuss 0.0 as you don't know anything about it |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1078
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:02:00 -
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wibla, ceo of a p. cool nullsec alliance, joins the fray
and we already have weaselior, CFO of the alliance that is winning EVE, owning
how they will fare against forum alt nullsec experts is beyond me eh |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
160
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:02:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Riedle wrote:I want more people TO have an interest in SOV so we have more people to hunt. good point! however, I'll counter that with the fact the removal of jump bridges and jump drives would cause alliances, regardless of size, to concentrate themselves into much smaller areas of space, effectively negating the point of nerfing them in the first place, because THE BIG BAD BLOB is still close by.
That would be a good thing as it would make more space available for new entities to try and take SOV. Like I said, I have no interest in SOV. I just want more people to try and take it.
That's all. Having people want to be in NULL is a good thing. Jump Bridges need to go for more than a few reasons. |

TweedIe Dum
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:02:00 -
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Im no expert in eve not by a long shot and the closest to living in null i have been is living in providence the last 3 months on my main but the whole consept seems flawed just a little.
Null sec seems to be about building a empire so why is it ran by corporations surely their should be a whole different set up for this.
Look at high sec it has 4 major empires but has loads of corps under their banner. Look at our history on this planet their was countrys with empires but the resource wealth was made by Corporations/Companys (East India trading).
Surely a system should be set up to seperate the corporation from the Empire. Goons is no longer a corp it is now a empire and as much as people hate them you have to respect what they have achieved from their little start.
They need to seperate the system so Empire building groups do just that they build the empire and corporations work in their space and pay tax for them to build their military. Not everyone in the game is massively interested in PVP a lot are interested in the market and the economics.
This would help with a fix on the moon goo situation people complain about as the larger Empires need this stuff to keep everything running now
Just my 2 cents i may be wrong but its how i perceive the game at this moment.
(And yes i know people rent systems but its not quite what im talking about) |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1293
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:04:00 -
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Riedle wrote: Perhaps. I don't really think of PL as Blobbers. They are the anti Blobbers if anything. They are the one Anti-SOV Alliance that is still able to project power. I think we need more of them - not less.
So we went from "nerf power projection because it encourages blobbing" to "we need more alliances that can cross the entire universe in 30 minutes so they can hotdrop people with hundreds of supercaps"
wow |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1078
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:04:00 -
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Riedle wrote:That would be a good thing as it would make more space available for new entities to try and take SOV.
I've already pointed out why this fantasy of yours is wrong. eh |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
160
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:05:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Riedle wrote: Perhaps. I don't really think of PL as Blobbers. They are the anti Blobbers if anything. They are the one Anti-SOV Alliance that is still able to project power. I think we need more of them - not less.
Removing/Nerfing JB's wouldn't discourage a PL so what was your argument again?
what you think is irrelevant because we all know it has no connection to reality
Compelling argument
So much hate for the mere suggestion of removing/nerfing JB's. lol
Jeeze, from the anger in your reactions it's really kind of hard to believe that you guys don't need them or want them. lols
Poor null bears
Anyways, sorry Adelphie - didn't mean to hijack your thread.
As you were Goonies.
o/ Riedle |

Lord Zim
860
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:05:00 -
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Riedle wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Riedle wrote:I want more people TO have an interest in SOV so we have more people to hunt. good point! however, I'll counter that with the fact the removal of jump bridges and jump drives would cause alliances, regardless of size, to concentrate themselves into much smaller areas of space, effectively negating the point of nerfing them in the first place, because THE BIG BAD BLOB is still close by. That would be a good thing as it would make more space available for new entities to try and take SOV. Like I said, I have no interest in SOV. I just want more people to try and take it. That's all. Having people want to be in NULL is a good thing. Jump Bridges need to go for more than a few reasons. "I've got absolutely no idea how nullsec work, but I've been told other incompetent people that jumpbridges allow massive force projections so I'm going to keep repeating that JUMPBRIDGES MUST BE NERFED TO LIMIT FORCE PROJECTION time and time again, and the more people who actually live and fight out in nullsec tell me I'm wrong, the more I'm going to assume they're just saying that because they're afraid of me and my powerful ideas which I have thought out with my BRAIN." |

dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:06:00 -
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Uhhhh...I think I may have just had a flash of brilliance with the station issue...why not just remove them as sov roadbumps altogether? If the issue is stations just being thrown up to make a region more of a headache to take, why not just remove them as a separate timer from the ihub?
This completely neuters the contentious destructible stations issue, and decreases a lot of the dominion sov grind.
What am I missing here? |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1081
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:06:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:fun fact: even if force projection was nerfed, the last thing we'd allow to happen is some small alliance setting up near our space - we'd purge them immediately considering that they'd collapse under the threat of an invasion by one of our enemies
so yes, small alliances establishing themselves as sov-holding entities is a dumb fantasy eh |

Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
96
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:06:00 -
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We're getting irritated because you haven't provided a single example that hasn't already been refuted as to why JB's should be nerfed or removed.  |

Kieron VonDeux
38
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:08:00 -
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Wibla wrote:It's funny to see how people who have never been in nullsec for longer than the time it took to get popped in EC- or HED talk about "nullbears" and how jump bridges destroy anything at all.
Judging how much somebody had been in nullsec based upon the single character they happen to be posting with has always been folly.
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Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
160
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:10:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Riedle wrote: Perhaps. I don't really think of PL as Blobbers. They are the anti Blobbers if anything. They are the one Anti-SOV Alliance that is still able to project power. I think we need more of them - not less.
So we went from "nerf power projection because it encourages blobbing" to "we need more alliances that can cross the entire universe in 30 minutes so they can hotdrop people with hundreds of supercaps" wow
Like I said before - using SHIPS to project force seems like a good thing to me as you know, the game is about SPACE SHIPS.
But perhaps they should be looked at as well - not sure. I don't have any interest in CAPS personally. I also don't have issues with being hotdropped as at least the hot dropee has to risk something. A Jump bridger does not.
As well the hotdropee is at least usually interested in PVP where the JB user is often looking to avoid PVP or just using the jump bridge to go BLOB a POS 40 jumps away.
lol |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1081
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:11:00 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:Judging how much somebody had been in nullsec based upon the single character they happen to be posting with has always been folly.
I too can log in a forum alt and make up all sorts of dumb crap and use WELL THIS ISN'T MY MAIN as an excuse when people question my experience
but I don't eh |

Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
107
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:11:00 -
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Time to recruit more nullbears and meat shield corps |
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