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MaximvS
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Posted - 2004.12.07 09:41:00 -
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I agree it would be nice to see some examples for something like a Moa and also a Ferox if possible please. 
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MaximvS
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Posted - 2004.12.07 09:41:00 -
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I agree it would be nice to see some examples for something like a Moa and also a Ferox if possible please.
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.12.07 09:55:00 -
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the magic value is 2.5
but 2.4 is pretty close so it works 
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.12.07 09:55:00 -
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the magic value is 2.5
but 2.4 is pretty close so it works
Greetings Grim |
qrac
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Posted - 2004.12.07 10:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Grim Vandal
the magic value is 2.5
but 2.4 is pretty close so it works
the magic value explained by dust puppy.
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qrac
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Posted - 2004.12.07 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
the magic value is 2.5
but 2.4 is pretty close so it works
the magic value explained by dust puppy.
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Jonas Bane
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Posted - 2004.12.07 12:30:00 -
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With this "no MWD" thing in deadspace missions, I tried on a whim playing around with passive shield setups on my Thorax. Pretty amazed at how well it worked. I could run an oversided AB all day now that cap wasn't an issue. I wouldn't trust it yet in PvP or a tough agent mission, but it has made me change over to shield improving skills for the time being. =)
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Jonas Bane
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Posted - 2004.12.07 12:30:00 -
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With this "no MWD" thing in deadspace missions, I tried on a whim playing around with passive shield setups on my Thorax. Pretty amazed at how well it worked. I could run an oversided AB all day now that cap wasn't an issue. I wouldn't trust it yet in PvP or a tough agent mission, but it has made me change over to shield improving skills for the time being. =)
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.12.07 17:41:00 -
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ö Did anybody do some testing on the assault ships (frigs and especially cruisers)?ö
Sorry not got the skill to fly those so I cannot test.
ôthe magic value explained by dust puppy.ö
But that post by Dust Puppy was about reactor cap. We are assuming shield rechargeÆs in the same way as reactor cap. But no one has ever done a detailed test as far as I now. There is always the chance shield cap recharges slower or faster then the reactor cap.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.12.07 17:41:00 -
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ö Did anybody do some testing on the assault ships (frigs and especially cruisers)?ö
Sorry not got the skill to fly those so I cannot test.
ôthe magic value explained by dust puppy.ö
But that post by Dust Puppy was about reactor cap. We are assuming shield rechargeÆs in the same way as reactor cap. But no one has ever done a detailed test as far as I now. There is always the chance shield cap recharges slower or faster then the reactor cap.
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starfox2004
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:28:00 -
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Hi Pottsey !
Quick question if possible ? im absolutely naff at maths so i would like to take this opportunity to ask your advice and see if you could reccomend the best passive results for a tempest !
Thanx for your time =)
p.s i would really appreciate it and be your minmatar slave for life 
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starfox2004
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:28:00 -
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Hi Pottsey !
Quick question if possible ? im absolutely naff at maths so i would like to take this opportunity to ask your advice and see if you could reccomend the best passive results for a tempest !
Thanx for your time =)
p.s i would really appreciate it and be your minmatar slave for life
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:20:00 -
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Being a Gallente pilot I cannot fly and test the Tempest. I have been told it makes a good ship but donÆt know for sure. If I had one I would be tempted to try 6 shield relays in the low slots. 3 large shield extender in the mid slot. 1 shield recharger mid slot. For the last mid slot either a passive EM shield hardener or another shield extender. I might even scarp the shield recharger and fit in a 2nd hardener.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:20:00 -
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Being a Gallente pilot I cannot fly and test the Tempest. I have been told it makes a good ship but donÆt know for sure. If I had one I would be tempted to try 6 shield relays in the low slots. 3 large shield extender in the mid slot. 1 shield recharger mid slot. For the last mid slot either a passive EM shield hardener or another shield extender. I might even scarp the shield recharger and fit in a 2nd hardener.
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:28:00 -
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I hadn't messed with it but looks as tho if cap issues were a concern that this type of setup would be ideal for a battery or more likely a cap booster if one had or used cap draining items or worried about defending against full cap drain by nos attack.
but then again that's what the passive setup seems to be built to defend against in the first place.
nice, very interesting. scary but interesting.
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:28:00 -
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I hadn't messed with it but looks as tho if cap issues were a concern that this type of setup would be ideal for a battery or more likely a cap booster if one had or used cap draining items or worried about defending against full cap drain by nos attack.
but then again that's what the passive setup seems to be built to defend against in the first place.
nice, very interesting. scary but interesting.
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Terradoct on 09/12/2004 16:10:44
Pottsey, how big number you got in formula (cap capascity)/(cap recharge)*2,4 on your Domenyx using passive shielding?
How big this number must be?
Have you tryed it in PvP?
Also I'm intrested in geting T2 Shield recharges and Shield Power Relays. Anyone have info on where or from whom I cang et thous items?
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.12.09 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Terradoct on 09/12/2004 16:10:44
Pottsey, how big number you got in formula (cap capascity)/(cap recharge)*2,4 on your Domenyx using passive shielding?
How big this number must be?
Have you tryed it in PvP?
Also I'm intrested in geting T2 Shield recharges and Shield Power Relays. Anyone have info on where or from whom I cang et thous items?
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.12.09 17:15:00 -
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"Pottsey, how big number you got in formula (cap capascity)/(cap recharge)*2,4 on your Domenyx using passive shielding?"
The best I pulled off is 108 a second while in a group. Without a group 102.
My favourite setup is lower and I forgot the details. It was 2 hardeners which lowered the total shield recharge down to 80 or 90ish but due to the hardeners I could take more EM and Thermal damage.
"How big this number must be?"
ThatÆs hard to say and it depends on what you do. If you want to have the same shield recharge as a T1 large shield booster then you need have 40 per second. If you want to have the same shield recharge as a T2 large shield booster you need to get 60 per second. An Extra large shield booster T1 is 80 per second.
öHave you tryed it in PvP?ö
Yes I had friendly PvP matchÆs against corp mates in Scorp Battleships. None of them managed to take my shields down even when they used EM and I had no EM hardeners on. Only ever gone against Scorp battleships so I have no idea how it holds out against other Battleships.
öAlso I'm intrested in geting T2 Shield recharges and Shield Power Relays. Anyone have info on where or from whom I cang et thous items?ö
Good luck, it took me months to find T2 shield recharges. I ended up placing buy orders and asking on market between 2 to 4million one I bought at 20 million but 4 is the normal price. I never did find anyone who could build them, only people who had them laying around for sale. As for the T2 shield relays I donÆt think anyone can build them yet, as I have not found any to buy.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.12.09 17:15:00 -
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"Pottsey, how big number you got in formula (cap capascity)/(cap recharge)*2,4 on your Domenyx using passive shielding?"
The best I pulled off is 108 a second while in a group. Without a group 102.
My favourite setup is lower and I forgot the details. It was 2 hardeners which lowered the total shield recharge down to 80 or 90ish but due to the hardeners I could take more EM and Thermal damage.
"How big this number must be?"
ThatÆs hard to say and it depends on what you do. If you want to have the same shield recharge as a T1 large shield booster then you need have 40 per second. If you want to have the same shield recharge as a T2 large shield booster you need to get 60 per second. An Extra large shield booster T1 is 80 per second.
öHave you tryed it in PvP?ö
Yes I had friendly PvP matchÆs against corp mates in Scorp Battleships. None of them managed to take my shields down even when they used EM and I had no EM hardeners on. Only ever gone against Scorp battleships so I have no idea how it holds out against other Battleships.
öAlso I'm intrested in geting T2 Shield recharges and Shield Power Relays. Anyone have info on where or from whom I cang et thous items?ö
Good luck, it took me months to find T2 shield recharges. I ended up placing buy orders and asking on market between 2 to 4million one I bought at 20 million but 4 is the normal price. I never did find anyone who could build them, only people who had them laying around for sale. As for the T2 shield relays I donÆt think anyone can build them yet, as I have not found any to buy.
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.12.09 17:50:00 -
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thank you, I'll keep trying on geting my hand on thous T2 recharges.
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2004.12.09 17:50:00 -
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thank you, I'll keep trying on geting my hand on thous T2 recharges.
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Workdawg
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Posted - 2004.12.09 18:57:00 -
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this sounds like a very interesting topic, i never knew that i could work so well. i fly a tempest and have a very good armor tank going on right now, so i dont really intend to switch to shield, but i was wondering one thing.
you mention cap recharge curve being very similar, if not the same as the shield curve. could i use the same method you use to calculate shield tanking, for my own cap recharge?
(max capacity/recharge time)* 2.4
also, if you know the answer to this, at what point is the 2.4 multiplier in effect, 20-30% cap?
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Workdawg
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Posted - 2004.12.09 18:57:00 -
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this sounds like a very interesting topic, i never knew that i could work so well. i fly a tempest and have a very good armor tank going on right now, so i dont really intend to switch to shield, but i was wondering one thing.
you mention cap recharge curve being very similar, if not the same as the shield curve. could i use the same method you use to calculate shield tanking, for my own cap recharge?
(max capacity/recharge time)* 2.4
also, if you know the answer to this, at what point is the 2.4 multiplier in effect, 20-30% cap?
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:19:00 -
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ôcould i use the same method you use to calculate shield tanking, for my own cap recharge?
(max capacity/recharge time)* 2.4
also, if you know the answer to this, at what point is the 2.4 multiplier in effect, 20-30% cap?ö
Yes you can use (max capacity/recharge time)* 2.4. In fact I borrowed the reactor cap math and used in on the shields so its more accurate/correct for the reactor cap. 2.4 multiplier is in effect at 30%cap give or take 2%. Shields donÆt seem to be the same which is why I say 20-30 for shields.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:19:00 -
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ôcould i use the same method you use to calculate shield tanking, for my own cap recharge?
(max capacity/recharge time)* 2.4
also, if you know the answer to this, at what point is the 2.4 multiplier in effect, 20-30% cap?ö
Yes you can use (max capacity/recharge time)* 2.4. In fact I borrowed the reactor cap math and used in on the shields so its more accurate/correct for the reactor cap. 2.4 multiplier is in effect at 30%cap give or take 2%. Shields donÆt seem to be the same which is why I say 20-30 for shields.
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Workdawg
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôcould i use the same method you use to calculate shield tanking, for my own cap recharge?
(max capacity/recharge time)* 2.4
also, if you know the answer to this, at what point is the 2.4 multiplier in effect, 20-30% cap?ö
Yes you can use (max capacity/recharge time)* 2.4. In fact I borrowed the reactor cap math and used in on the shields so its more accurate/correct for the reactor cap. 2.4 multiplier is in effect at 30%cap give or take 2%. Shields donÆt seem to be the same which is why I say 20-30 for shields.
thanks for your quick reply, when you say the multiplier is in effect at 30%, does that mean that below 30%, i will actually get faster recharge?
also, in follow up to my first post, would using a combonation of cap batteries and rechargers yield a potentially better figure as far as cap recharged per second? as opposed to just going with straight rechargers
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Workdawg
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôcould i use the same method you use to calculate shield tanking, for my own cap recharge?
(max capacity/recharge time)* 2.4
also, if you know the answer to this, at what point is the 2.4 multiplier in effect, 20-30% cap?ö
Yes you can use (max capacity/recharge time)* 2.4. In fact I borrowed the reactor cap math and used in on the shields so its more accurate/correct for the reactor cap. 2.4 multiplier is in effect at 30%cap give or take 2%. Shields donÆt seem to be the same which is why I say 20-30 for shields.
thanks for your quick reply, when you say the multiplier is in effect at 30%, does that mean that below 30%, i will actually get faster recharge?
also, in follow up to my first post, would using a combonation of cap batteries and rechargers yield a potentially better figure as far as cap recharged per second? as opposed to just going with straight rechargers
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:54:00 -
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öThanks for your quick reply, when you say the multiplier is in effect at 30%, does that mean that below 30%, i will actually get faster recharge?ô
It gets slower under 30% the lower it gets the slower it gets.
öalso, in follow up to my first post, would using a combonation of cap batteries and rechargers yield a potentially better figure as far as cap recharged per second? as opposed to just going with straight rechargersô
Cap batteries and recharges are better then pure recharges. The same is for shields. Shield extenders and shield recharges are better then pure shield recharges.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.12.09 19:54:00 -
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öThanks for your quick reply, when you say the multiplier is in effect at 30%, does that mean that below 30%, i will actually get faster recharge?ô
It gets slower under 30% the lower it gets the slower it gets.
öalso, in follow up to my first post, would using a combonation of cap batteries and rechargers yield a potentially better figure as far as cap recharged per second? as opposed to just going with straight rechargersô
Cap batteries and recharges are better then pure recharges. The same is for shields. Shield extenders and shield recharges are better then pure shield recharges.
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