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CCP Fallout
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.22 19:58:00 -
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The latest dev blog from CCP Zulu gives us a heads up on some exciting things coming to EVE Online.
CCP Fallout
Associate Community Manager
EVE Online
@ccp_fallout |
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Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
58
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:00:00 -
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Yay, show those naysayers so that the "CCP Loyalists" don't look stupid :3
inbc
+1 CCP :P
edit: lol 2 seconds again...I'm a quick lil' f*cker XD
The Drake is a Lie |
Highfield
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:00:00 -
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Epic, sounds very hopeful for the future!
Also IBC ;) |
Phantom Slave
Cryogenic Creations
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:00:00 -
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While there's no actual information, this announcement made me giddy as all get out! |
Jack Paladin
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:04:00 -
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Dear Sir,
Just cause CCP says it, means they will do it.
Regards,
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
16
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:04:00 -
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nice!
IBC |
Minsc
Alpha Empire
39
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:04:00 -
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Awesome, can't wait to hear the details. |
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CCP Zulu
C C P
C C P Alliance
40
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:05:00 -
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Watch this space. |
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David Magnus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:06:00 -
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Thank you for your commitment to a game that I love so much.
I am rooting for CCP and for EVE, and I want you all to be rich and happy and making great games. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Sane Industries Inc.
111
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:10:00 -
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Begun, the Feature War has.
CCP's announcement that EVE development will be refocused, is, of course, reason for celebration.
But don't get cocky, bittervet. This is not victory, it's just the opening shot in the war -- the Feature War.
The real battle in the Feature War will be fought over how the ammo -- the newly available development resources made available by this "refocusing" -- will be used.
Right now in a sinister conference room, arguments are being made that it should be spent on :awesome: flashiness and exploding planets.
Meanwhile, a plucky band of rebel developers champions a radical proposition -- that development should be refocused on fixing existing problems in the game. Stuff like POS's, the user interface, mining and manufacturing, Sov, and a host of other annoyances that plague the current community.
The Feature War is raging now... the decisions will be made soon... and your voice in this thread provides ammo to one side or the other.
Make your voice heard. This threadnaught can be the ultimate power in the EVE universe. I suggest you use it.
Victory? Victory you say? Master Bittervet, not victory. The shroud of the :awesome: side has fallen. Begun the Feature War has.
PS to Zulu: "This is not the blog we're looking for."
CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!
CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
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Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
30
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:10:00 -
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wait that's all ?
the super dev blog promised for this week is only that and now we have to wait weeks to have the info we were hoping to get on this one ?
and everyone is pleased by this ?! o_O |
Phantom Slave
Cryogenic Creations
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:11:00 -
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CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
I really, REALLY, want to know what this means. |
Pseudo Ucksth
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:17:00 -
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Raid'En wrote:wait that's all ?
the super dev blog promised for this week is only that and now we have to wait weeks to have the info we were hoping to get on this one ?
and everyone is pleased by this ?! o_O
SSHSHHHHHH HSHHHH SHHHH
Dang man, did you not get the memo? We're supposed to eat whatever we're spoonfed while our fingers hover over the OH GOD UNSUB button in case they mess up again...
I for one welcome any revitalizing changes that will take place in game. Removing local in nullsec completely? Yes? Please? Changing lowsec to delayed? Maybe? No?
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
32
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:17:00 -
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CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
That space there ^ ? Or the devblog itself? Or this thread as a whole? Or just space in EVE in general?
I'm so confused - and yet my interest is piqued.
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Tyrnaeg en Varche
31
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:17:00 -
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Phantom Slave wrote:CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space. I really, REALLY, want to know what this means.
there is more space between atoms than there are atoms in the universe. |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
54
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:18:00 -
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I'm just hoping that this is a shift of direction and a trend that will last rather than being some reactionary PR stunt to make it look like CCP really care all of a sudden.
Historically, CCP have made some minor concessions to the player base when they've bungled something REALLY badly and been called on it, particularly if it's from the gaming press. We get veiled promises and assurances - often worded in "legalese" that indemnifies CCP even if they don't follow through - some immediate action to prove good will, and quickly everything returns to the way it was before the backlash. That is, management / marketing know best and screw what the customer base wants. It seems in the last couple of years, those decisions have backfired often, and had they followed the advice of customers and CSM, many of the disasters would have been averted.
The recent decline in players logging in, coupled with the recent blasts of bad press has left CCP with some serious egg on their face, and I'm sure is raising some serious concerns in the financial department who are counting on INCREASED income from Eve subscriptions / MT in order to fund their 2 other projects. Any decline in income is enough to set up in panic mode I'm sure.
I'm hoping that this is a change. I would like to see CCP more responsive to the people that fund their company - the customers. I see this as positive change - FOR NOW - and I applaud it. Please continue down this path. You'll find it will make for far better customer relations, retention, and getting new players. |
Dasquirrel715
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:19:00 -
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It's good to see CCP at least attempting to refocus on what actually made them great. Hopefully, in time, you will be successful enough to work on multiple projects at the same time. |
Celebris Nexterra
Firm Handed Logistics
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:19:00 -
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I approve of this new direction. However...
pics or it didn't happen!!
IBC  |
Morphius Reales
Apolitical
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:20:00 -
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Confirming that the hyped devblog gives no information while attempting to increase hype. |
Lazarus Wilde
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:20:00 -
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Who are you? And what have you done with the real CCP?
This seems pretty good, please dont let us down when you put out more information. |
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:21:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:PS to Zulu: "This is not the blog we're looking for."
Trebor is a badposter but that part was p good.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Efraya
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:21:00 -
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Dem der sum beg wurds Zulu.
WSpace; Best space. |
Versuvius Marii
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:22:00 -
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Inb4 Chribba, and empty devblog is pretty empty. All you're saying really is stuff you've already posted all over GD, just paraphrased nicely to get everybody's hopes up. And the last time you did that, you gave us a font... see where I'm going with this? |
Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
9
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:22:00 -
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"Watch this space" means "do NOT adjust your televison sets, do NOT adjust your subscription plans." |
Akara Ito
Kriegsmarinewerft
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:22:00 -
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So you're going to do something, sometime.
What do you expect?
Are we now meant to go "WHOA REALLY????" |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
23
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:24:00 -
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That was an awful lot of words just to say:
THE ITERATIONS ARE COMING!, THE ITERATIONS ARE COMING! |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
58
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:27:00 -
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Versuvius Marii wrote:Inb4 Chribba, and empty devblog is pretty empty. All you're saying really is stuff you've already posted all over GD, just paraphrased nicely to get everybody's hopes up. And the last time you did that, you gave us a font... see where I'm going with this?
So this is an indication that this is going to be the best thing in the history of EVE?
Cause we've been asking for that font as long as a skill queue....
What's next? FW?!!
The Drake is a Lie |
Bring Stabity
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:29:00 -
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You should be ashamed of yourself, please resign. |
J Kunjeh
76
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:29:00 -
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It's official, CCP Management has finally pulled their collective heads out of their arses.
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)"
(The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
beor oranes
The Capitalist Protectorate
Mad Scientists
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:29:00 -
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I for one am happy but I just hope that they go at it completely committed and not do a half job just to quieten us down for a few months.
Quietly excited. I'll be full excited when I see some more Dev Blogs with some concrete proposals. |
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Orakkus
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:29:00 -
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+1 in favor of redirecting resources to the rebel developers who want to fix the spaceship part of the game. |
J Kunjeh
76
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:29:00 -
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Jack Paladin wrote:Dear Sir,
Just cause CCP says it, means they will do it.
Regards,
Oh look...u so clever!
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)"
(The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Vic Tenrach
Shooting Red Crosses
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:30:00 -
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I'm skeptical. I'm expecting to see some minor changes that don't mean much in the long run. The general outcry tends to be either completely against micro transactions or that prices are way too high. What are the chances that CCP will actually do something about this? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
237
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:30:00 -
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Sounds encouraging. Looking forward to the meat.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Vic Tenrach
Shooting Red Crosses
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:30:00 -
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Double post is fail |
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
195
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:30:00 -
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Thanks for the devblog Zulu.
If these words are true, and I have seen nothing so far that makes me think they're not, this is indeed the direction CCP needs to go.
Hope the next blog will have more substance but the same direction.
And to random observers, the CSM has yet to hear the substance too, but be assured the requests and recommendations made are in line with what I'm reading here so far.
Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:31:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Looking forward to the meat.
The meat will be getting to choose between TWO fonts.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Karbowiak
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
19
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:31:00 -
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honestly, just fix sov (maybe just go back to the pos warfare?), give us outposts we can destroy and bring back nano.. Then everything is perfect.  |
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
262
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:34:00 -
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I am filled with feelings of cautious optimism, as well as a bit of intrigue
also my nose is stuffed up, but i don't think that has anything to do with the blog |
Ro'Kera
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:35:00 -
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I'm optimistic, certainly. But so far we've mostly just seen a lot of fancy talkin'.
I still haven't resubbed my accounts. I'm down to my main at this point, and he's got about 2 months left on a six-month sub.
I really hope we see enough actual progress in that two months -- not just :words: about "hey things will totally be better" but actual plans, commitments, stuff like that -- to convince me to resub.
The font work and the ship spinning revival are a step in the right direction. Keep it up, PLEASE, keep it up. |
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Mar Drakar
LDK
Test Friends Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:37:00 -
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CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
there I hope I fixed that for you k? |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
5
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:38:00 -
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We will watch what you do, not what you say.
Tread carefully, mates, and most of all, tread openly, because you are being very closely watched indeed. |
Vardec Crom
Skyforger
Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:39:00 -
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CCP Fallout wrote:The latest dev blog from CCP Zulu gives us a heads up on some exciting things coming to EVE Online.
They're promising to promise changes that they promise to follow through with in a devblog that says nothing. |
Roh Voleto
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:39:00 -
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This is not going to end well. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
59
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:40:00 -
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btw can you guys PLEASE go back to the "all at once" expansion releases? The chunked up ones are horrible for player reception cause 70% of the player base doesn't understand that the tiny first piece that comes out isnt the whole expansion.
That and chopping them up doesn't really any longer justify them as expansions any more, just big patches.
The Drake is a Lie |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
154
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:42:00 -
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While the basic message of this dev blog is a good thing, I am extremely worried by the lack of details that have been communicated to the CSM previously. It would seem to me that the only reason to leave them out is to change direction. We all want more time and energy on spaceships, but we *need* the critical game breaking issues resolved, not just a pile of new things.
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
My Blog
What does CSM 6 do? |
Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:44:00 -
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This may well be the least informative most useless devblog ever posted. And given your history of atrocious devblogs that's a bold statement.
Does no one read this stuff for you who dares to tell you when you are saying nothing? |
David Magnus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:45:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:btw can you guys PLEASE go back to the "all at once" expansion releases? The chunked up ones are horrible for player reception cause 70% of the player base doesn't understand that the tiny first piece that comes out isnt the whole expansion.
That and chopping them up doesn't really any longer justify them as expansions any more, just big patches.
The problem is that CCP took the idea of staged releases too far. What players wanted was small fixes and balance changes to come out when they were ready instead of waiting for the next full expansion.
Instead, CCP took the opportunity to release an expansion that wasn't finished and use the small updates to keep trying to complete it. |
The Groundskeeper
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:47:00 -
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A worthless devblog that says "we promise that we'll implement the minor and cosmetic changes we have already blogged about". And this was hyped on twitter for several days. I'm actually offended that CCP think we'd fall for this. |
Vio Geraci
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:47:00 -
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CCP's normal mistake is to tell us some things then not follow through on them. Somehow you have compounded this with a bigger mistake of not even telling us anything. A blank page has more information than that blog. |
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Katsura Kotonoha
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:48:00 -
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This is great news. I'm glad to hear that you are finally doing something about all of the. |
Wibla
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:48:00 -
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So many words, so little content.
You can do better than this, CCP. |
Skaarl
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:49:00 -
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same ****, different dev blog.
seriously, after all the BS CCP fed us over the last 2-3 YEARS do you really expect them to follow through on any of this? we will get what we always get, a lot of "were gonna do a,b,c,d,e,f,g...,x,y,z" and we will get "a" then some more beta test crap for other games. |
Darirol
Cold Steel Evolution
Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:49:00 -
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Vardec Crom wrote:
They're promising to promise changes that they promise to follow through with in a devblog that says nothing.
that is what i thought after reading the dev blog. *heard it all befor* |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:50:00 -
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GUYS! GUYS! A WOLF! A WOLF!
Jesus ****, guys, can't you guys get it through your head that we don't want hints, hints and more hints. That devblog is more or less the same as the previous devblog, where it's all "GUYS WE HAVE THE BESTEST NEWS EVAR!!!!!!!11111" ... and it's a font. And shipspinning. And the cyno effect.
GIVE US MEAT FOR THE MEAT THRONE! |
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:50:00 -
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CCP Fallout wrote:The latest dev blog from CCP Zulu gives us a heads up on some exciting things coming to EVE Online.
Er, did you guys link to the wrong blog? That... says nothing at all?
No, I mean, literally, if you remove the platitudes, you get:
"Hi, reminder, there was a blog about CQ (cause you all love CQ, right???) and ship spinning, which will still require you load CQ (cause we get a bigger Christmas bonus every time we say CQ. CQ CQ CQ). We have decided to focus our efforts, but can't say where.
We'll reveal more over the coming weeks. Maybe.
Quote:YouGÇÖve often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, and this time we want to be certain that doesnGÇÖt happen. We are listening to you, we have heard you, and plans are already in motion.
I was promised a "heads up on some exciting things coming to EVE Online" and I got something that could be created by a bot program that doesn't pass the Turing test. What the heck?
Everyone check your wallets, I think we just got rolled.
(CQ CQ CQ)
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P3ROXIDE
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:50:00 -
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I don't get it....
Did I **** in your car trunk or something? Why would you give us so much grade-AAA bullshit if we didn't do anything to you?
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
129
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:50:00 -
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This blog is a content-less pile of crap.
CSM is once again being ignored in favor of some lofty vacuous corporate goal.
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Azzurian
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:50:00 -
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Man, look at all this lovely information ccp was able to provide on the things they planned to tell us about.
~~~ BIG WORDS future BIG WORDS tell you stuff BIG WORDS dilz BIG WORDS in BIG WORDS ur BIG WORDS mouf BIG WORDS ~~~ |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:50:00 -
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Where is the substance?
What is the point of a 'dev blog' if it is all marketing and no actual content? And then it points to another dev blog that it is literally pushing out of the way to show you?
Why not just put a splash screen on the front of eve with 'EVE IS RADICALLY CHANGING ... but we can't tell you anything'. It's the same net effect, other than reinforcing the opinion that eve is only about the Captains Quarters and NeX for you.
PS. what happened to our 'new interface that was almost ready'. Or that Gallente fix that is so badly needed? Where is anything regarding any iteration at all? |
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Dubez
LEGION OF DEATHADDERS
Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:51:00 -
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Quote:YouGÇÖve often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, and this time we want to be certain that doesnGÇÖt happen.
You kind of just did that, again...
You just made an announcement of an announcement, in a Dev Blog. Take a step back for a minute and think how silly that sounds. |
Skaarl
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:51:00 -
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i wonder if zulu feels like colin powell did when bush sent him to lie to the united nations.... |
Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
10
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:51:00 -
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We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get hairy they instinctively stall for time. That, they certainly have done this week. First of we have the fallout over Incarna, an amazing example of company resource allocation gone wrong. A vision from years ago that has been re-purposed to serve as a prototype for CCP's other MMO project. It rolls out a midst massive controversy, in some cases larger than what has been seen before, this is the pinnacle of community insults. For all the hurf blurf and :promises: we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But CCP have done more, not only have they redefined their level of customer disconnect with Incarna but they have also defined what it really means to fail at communication, both internally a la resource allocation and externally a la CSM.
Naturally, they have caught the attention of the world. Only a few months ago they averted catastrophe over Monoclegate and now they have done it again by committing to their core purpose as a company by managing expectations.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having played this game for six years, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP do and less of what they say. Common sense takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
All that said, I couldn't be prouder of what we have accomplished as a community, knocking sense into Icelandic alpha males is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before. |
Chia Mulholland
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:51:00 -
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I am going to post my thoughts on this latest development soon. They're going to be super-exciting thoughts that I know you're all going to love.
Watch this space. |
Skeith Oumis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:51:00 -
[65] - Quote
Honestly I would have rather seen no blog at all than seen that.
It's not confidence inspiring when all you say is "We're doing stuff because you asked us to!". The complete lack of even the lightest shred of details removes any credibility from your claim, and if anything it looks like a last minute stall post.
Look CCP, I don't claim to be the bittervet many other posters are, with only a few months of EVE under my belt (and a previous trial experience 2 years ago) I don't really qualify as the most jaded EVE player in the world.
But even I'm not so blind to see how hollow that post was. Most of us were expecting a "Big Update" this week. If this is that post, then, welp. |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
31
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:52:00 -
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"You've often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, so we're going to promise something and deliver nothing." |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:52:00 -
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CCP's new release schedule is fine. It's what they've been releasing (and not releasing) that has been the issue.
As a former CSM and follower of this sort of thing, I've seen the "We hear you!" line used but not evidenced in later action. I will say this though, the TONE and SCALE of "We hear you!" is new.
CCP Zulu wrote:Over the past days and weeks, CCP has been doing extensive and intense introspection and revitalization. The result of this is a refocusing and reprioritization on a scale unheard of within our company.
That's new. It's long overdue (and always surprising it hasnt happened earlier each time i think about it) but if true and it's happening that's a very good sign.
I wont say I'm optimistic, but I WILL say I'm interested. |
thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction
Snatch Victory
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:52:00 -
[68] - Quote
I'm pretty sure there can be a brilliant way to combine your prior visions of a future with great WiS elements and a new dawn to the old FiS and Spinning System. Just always ask yourself how would you like to experience the universe if you would be in space for real.
See your Ship approaching a large station, docking, a hughe hangar filled with ships and finally the experiience of being a small fly in a hughe station.
make everything just a smart adventure to expirience.
The solution always is a middle way of fixing, adding new things and making these new parts fitting perfectly within the already existing world. Smooth transition is the key. Constant change within the world. Enabling players to constantly change the world (sov) . The economist would say "stagnation is bad" as a player experience and as a process of development. |
Reyona
Nordic Innovations
BLACK-MARK
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:53:00 -
[69] - Quote
Well this is awesome. CCP really proves time and time again how amazing they are.
IBC, rly |
L1m9n1663r
The Treehugger Corp
None Of The Above
4
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:53:00 -
[70] - Quote
Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? |
|
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Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:53:00 -
[71] - Quote
the link to the dev blog must be broken, as i don't find the shiny |
Taita Rama
Lightspeed Enterprises
Tactical Narcotics Team
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
[72] - Quote
Jovan Geldon wrote:"You've often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, so we're going to promise something and deliver nothing."
This. |
ADMlNlSTRATOR
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
[73] - Quote
Here is me making a forum post after 4 pages of forum posts on a forum post about a dev blog post that announces some future dev log posts.
:words: |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
[74] - Quote
Came expecting information, left disappointed. About par for the course.  |
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
65
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
[75] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:This blog is a content-less pile of crap.
CSM is once again being ignored in favor of some lofty vacuous corporate goal.
The funny thing is, it's so lofty we can't even see what it is.
Heck, at this point, I don't even think CCP knows what it is.
Care to give us a hint, guys? Please tell us it's not "keep them distracted until we can fix the CSM7 election and release DUST." |
Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
[76] - Quote
What the hell was the point of posting this vacuous dribble? I've seen Tea Party announcements with more intellectual basis.
Is there some sort of genetic defect in Icelandians that makes you allergic to Public Relations? Go hire some Americans to tell you how to post BS and make it look good.
Yeesh. |
ShadowFire15
BOAE INC
BricK sQuAD.
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:54:00 -
[77] - Quote
/me feels real good about this.
I'm pro faction spawn |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
17
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:55:00 -
[78] - Quote
Two step wrote:While the basic message of this dev blog is a good thing, I am extremely worried by the lack of details that have been communicated to the CSM previously. It would seem to me that the only reason to leave them out is to change direction. We all want more time and energy on spaceships, but we *need* the critical game breaking issues resolved, not just a pile of new things.
I have to say it would be prudent to learn from past mistakes and not decide on the details of this new direction wtihout running it by the CSM first.
I don't doubt that you have the best intentions, but there "has" been a tendency in the past to get enthused about something you are sure the player base will be behind 100%... but after the original good idea has been kicked around internally for a while the final proposition ends up missing the mark completely.
Just sayin' (in a hopefully tactful way).
I think that most will be pretty happy with a more equitable distribution of dev resources between projects old and new, internal and external to EVE. Especially if the resources devoted to iteration come up with a really well thought out way to solve major issues we have been dealing with forever. New shiney's have their place, and so does actually making Incarna interesting... but little things like making FW or PI or mining or SOV warfare worthwhile, interesting, and FUN should be the main focus.
We know you have committments elsewhere, but here is hoping that the heavy lifting on those other projects is done (18 months) and this refocus can happen without kicking them in the teeth.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
S0ulR3ap3r
Synergy Holdings Inc
Cascade Associates
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:55:00 -
[79] - Quote
(3:47:00 PM) dedddddddd *** directorbot: CCP have give us their bold vision for the future! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=91434 Absolutely not full of grade A bullXXXX (screw you solo filter). This is the result of months of negotiation and hard work. They took what we gave, gave us lofty words, then shat in our mouths. The time for negotiation is over, the time for anger has arrived. Express your feelings about their "meat filled
(3:47:00 PM) dedddddddd *** This was a broadcast from vile_rat to all, replies are not monitored ***
get them bas t ards |
Bring Stabity
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
10
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:55:00 -
[80] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
not emptyquoting |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
237
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
[81] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
We've been watching it since H1 2009.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
mkint
35
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
[82] - Quote
Katsura Kotonoha wrote:This is great news. I'm glad to hear that you are finally doing something about all of the.
You and I must have read different dev blogs... WHAT are they doing? |
FalconX Blast
Fly Drunk
Fatal Ascension
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
[83] - Quote
Stuff we had before is coming back. Maybe it should not have been taken away in the first place?
So, for those that never dock and live out of a POS and only care about the In Space Experience (as in outer space, among the stars, flying in a spaceship) when can we expect an update?
|
EI Digin
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
133
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
[84] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
11
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
[85] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Alina Wize
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:56:00 -
[86] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
azurisk
Space Tech Innovations
S.T.C.
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
[87] - Quote
Only one thing came to mind...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHfOejlvVsY
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Trevor Nokkon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
[88] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
60
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
[89] - Quote
Quite frankly, outside of the crowd of mouthbreathers that subscribe for a few months before burning out of boredom with level 4 missions in highsec, nobody cares about the fucking abortion that is Incarna. Bringing back ship spinning? Great, that's worthy of a footnote in the changelog, but we want to know what you're doing about iterative ship balancing. We want to know if you're reworking POS mechanics. We want to know if you're taking any serious look into nullsec. |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
[90] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Verar Valdis
RennTech
Fatal Ascension
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
[91] - Quote
 |
shas Ellecon
The Riot Formation
Get Off My Lawn
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
[92] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
[93] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Taita Rama
Lightspeed Enterprises
Tactical Narcotics Team
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
[94] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
!Emptyqoute |
R76983
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
[95] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Dirk Action
Broski Federation
Elite Space Guild
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:57:00 -
[96] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
blkbyrd
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[97] - Quote
Tanaka Aiko wrote:the link to the dev blog must be broken, as i don't find the shiny
t +1
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Xayder
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[98] - Quote
Tanaka Aiko wrote:the link to the dev blog must be broken, as i don't find the shiny
|
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[99] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
Not emptyquoting. |
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[100] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
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Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[101] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
AMMARPARI
Padded Bras
Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[102] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
2
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[103] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
 |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[104] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Verlai
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[105] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? |
Jathan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[106] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
UncleSam83
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[107] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
67
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[108] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[109] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
i doubt it.. |
Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[110] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
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sbeaulieu
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
10
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[111] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[112] - Quote
dangit missed the snipe |
Vashan Tar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[113] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Hisshou
Lets Get Rocked
Important Internet Spaceship League
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[114] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Kate sh'Eli
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[115] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Crazy Ferret
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:58:00 -
[116] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? |
BekStorm
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[117] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Tamar Kaiz
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[118] - Quote
Tanaka Aiko wrote:the link to the dev blog must be broken, as i don't find the shiny
This |
koekjee
Dutch Exploration And Industry
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[119] - Quote
EI Digin wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[120] - Quote
I find it hilarious that their "moment that defines history" is them saying absolutely NOTHING. Again. And then acting like we should all be struck blind by the awesome.
It certainly defines something. |
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Major Spag
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[121] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
munahaukka
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[122] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[123] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Bring Stabity
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[124] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Psycho Lordling
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[125] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
IceCold89
Kriegsmarinewerft
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[126] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Realyst
Free Space Tech
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[127] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Azzurian
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 20:59:00 -
[128] - Quote
koekjee wrote:EI Digin wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[129] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Wibla
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[130] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? |
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Tomisun
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[131] - Quote
Quote:L1m9n1663r wrote:
Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? |
SincII
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[132] - Quote
Andski wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Mareck001
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[133] - Quote
Azzurian wrote:koekjee wrote:EI Digin wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Raptor217
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[134] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? |
Proats
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[135] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Elicetian
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[136] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Dubez
LEGION OF DEATHADDERS
Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[137] - Quote
Quote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? |
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
262
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[138] - Quote
Two step wrote:While the basic message of this dev blog is a good thing, I am extremely worried by the lack of details that have been communicated to the CSM previously. It would seem to me that the only reason to leave them out is to change direction. We all want more time and energy on spaceships, but we *need* the critical game breaking issues resolved, not just a pile of new things.
I am concerned by this post and the implications therein |
Tomato Tomato
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[139] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
please stop sending aurem. |
Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
13
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:00:00 -
[140] - Quote
I was thinking more along the lines of this. |
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Natalie Cerulean
Ixion Defence Systems
Tactical Narcotics Team
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[141] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
isioisi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[142] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Decadence
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[143] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Zinterax Egdald
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[144] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
6
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[145] - Quote
It lacks details... but on the heels of a "we're fixing the font" dev blog, I'm starting to have hope again. |
red3rdgenrx7
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[146] - Quote
"best" post ever, air quoting best. |
Hratli Smirks
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[147] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
31
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[148] - Quote
inb4 CFC emptyquoting some pointless bullsh-
GOD DAMM IT |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[149] - Quote
Where's the content? |
The Medusa
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[150] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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Reyona
Nordic Innovations
BLACK-MARK
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:01:00 -
[151] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
bloodknight2
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:02:00 -
[152] - Quote
]L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
o/
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Formosus Funus
Infusion.
Tactical Narcotics Team
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:02:00 -
[153] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:02:00 -
[154] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
13
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:02:00 -
[155] - Quote
Reyona wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Gorram ZhuTou
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:02:00 -
[156] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Veranius
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:02:00 -
[157] - Quote
I am pretty sure the big announcement will be an advert for the open beta of WoD |
Alexis Strutt
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[158] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
[/quote]
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Aracturus
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[159] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Zenk Faswell
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[160] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[161] - Quote
These are indeed defining times~ |
Bryan Dunning
Capital Industries Research And Development
Fidelas Constans
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[162] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? Not emptyquoting.
|
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
67
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[163] - Quote
Ydnari wrote:Where's the content?
Its coming in a later patch. But you won't like it, it'll be World of Darkness and DUST devblog updates, with the words WoD and Dust find/replaced with EVE. Poorly. But it will guarantee the devblog updates for WoD and DUST will be of the highest quality. |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
141
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[164] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ethanole
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[165] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Piuro
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[166] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
RockyID
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:03:00 -
[167] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:04:00 -
[168] - Quote
Zulu, the fact that you're still keeping the CSM in the dark and that you don't even mention what it is you think the players want has me very concerned.
"We're re-allocating resources the way the players want us to" doesn't mean much unless we can be sure that management isn't labouring under the assumption that what the players want is some new $2000 pants to replace our $1000 ones.
If you want us to believe that you're listening, start by asking the CSM for their opinion before you announce major game changes. You don't always have to follow their advice, but if you talk to them you will rarely get blindsided because you completely misread the player's desires. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
60
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:04:00 -
[169] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Kozmic
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:06:00 -
[170] - Quote
CCP Fallout wrote:The latest dev blog from CCP Zulu gives us a heads up on some exciting things coming to EVE Online.
"Prepare to publish a dev blog!"
"Preparing to publish a dev blog, sir!"
"Prepare to announce changes!"
"Preparing to announce changes, sir!"
"Prepare to post the actual dev blog!"
"Preparing to post the actual dev blog, sir!"
.. and so on. Wake me up when we're talking features and timetables. |
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Win Sui
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:06:00 -
[171] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Tamar Kaiz
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:06:00 -
[172] - Quote
Hisshou wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Master Gotama
Black Sky Hipsters
2
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:07:00 -
[173] - Quote
no news is better than faux news. nothing to see here, keep moving... |
Arkon Hjallian
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:07:00 -
[174] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Minaithnir Zhou
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:07:00 -
[175] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Mujahada Shah
Duragon Pioneer Group
Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:07:00 -
[176] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? |
UbaH
Regional Park Services
Tactical Narcotics Team
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:07:00 -
[177] - Quote
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Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:07:00 -
[178] - Quote
Kozmic wrote:CCP Fallout wrote:The latest dev blog from CCP Zulu gives us a heads up on some exciting things coming to EVE Online. "Prepare to publish a dev blog!" "Preparing to publish a dev blog, sir!" "Prepare to announce changes!" "Preparing to announce changes, sir!" "Prepare to post the actual dev blog!" "Preparing to post the actual dev blog, sir!" .. and so on. Wake me up when we're talking features and timetables.
I just got the mental image of CCP being ran by the guys in Spaceballs.
EXPLAINSSOMUCH.JPG |
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:08:00 -
[179] - Quote
:royofca: |
Naya Kas
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:08:00 -
[180] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
23
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:08:00 -
[181] - Quote
Paging CCP Navigator to this thread!
Dev Blog Locked, No Content! |
gargars
Cohesion Inc
Beyond-Repair
9
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:09:00 -
[182] - Quote
Chia Mulholland wrote:I am going to post my thoughts on this latest development soon. They're going to be super-exciting thoughts that I know you're all going to love.
Watch this space.
HAHAHAHAHA brilliant!
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NUXI7
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
63
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:09:00 -
[183] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Scarboro Seric
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:09:00 -
[184] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Richard Desturned
SemitistOps
5
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:10:00 -
[185] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
57
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:10:00 -
[186] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
I don't even know what this quote means but it seems like its good to do so. |
Largo Usagi
SregginWaffe
Elite Space Guild
6
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:10:00 -
[187] - Quote
Mareck001 wrote:Azzurian wrote:koekjee wrote:EI Digin wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Offenhauser
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:10:00 -
[188] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Kugutsumen Dot Com
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:11:00 -
[189] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
RankOutsider
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:11:00 -
[190] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
541
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:11:00 -
[191] - Quote
I'm going to hold my tongue on this one for now. However, I admit I did expect more substance from this 'announcement'. Hopefully, the positive steps that CCP had discussed with the CSM in our recent meetings are still on track.
That said, I entirely respect and understand the reactions of the rest of the CSM. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:12:00 -
[192] - Quote
I have a boner. Please watch this space. |
UbaH
Regional Park Services
Tactical Narcotics Team
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:13:00 -
[193] - Quote
When I hear "moments that define history" I think new ships, not shinier captains quarters. |
Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
17
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:13:00 -
[194] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Paging CCP Navigator to this thread!
Dev Blog Locked, No Content!
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Taita Rama
Lightspeed Enterprises
Tactical Narcotics Team
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:14:00 -
[195] - Quote
Karadion wrote:I have a boner. Please watch this space.
Left dissapointed. Its about as hard as ccps promises |
Decadence
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:14:00 -
[196] - Quote
UbaH wrote:When I hear "moments that define history" I think new ships, not shinier captains quarters.
Apparently "moments that define history" means "we'll fix the stuff we broke" |
Sjinta
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:14:00 -
[197] - Quote
well, at least they are fixing the incorrect specular behavior! this game is going places! |
GimpCad Win
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:14:00 -
[198] - Quote
Woo Glin wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Bob Random
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:15:00 -
[199] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction
Snatch Victory
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:15:00 -
[200] - Quote
First, i do find this quote about someone who comitted suizide inapropriate.
Second, yes i am not happy with your PR. This is mainly because i loved this game for ages and i get the feeling that CCP is more and more a ship without a pilot and i get anxious that there will be no more eve at some point.
Don't be rude people, get constructive. There are more ways to show your disagreement. |
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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:16:00 -
[201] - Quote
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/69125 Google is hard. |
Sharon Tate
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:16:00 -
[202] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:17:00 -
[203] - Quote
What are you mad at? It's a crystal clear message from the high-honcho that we'll get precisely nothing. And that somewhen soon.
So exciting!
Seriously, get a press person or something on your payroll. If you already do, feed him or her to the fishes and get someone competent.
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Varesk
Maelstrom Crew
11
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:17:00 -
[204] - Quote
Less than two months out from the new patch and nothing is decided yet. Sounds like a plan! |
Starter Belleren
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:17:00 -
[205] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Aracturus
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:17:00 -
[206] - Quote
thoth rothschild wrote:First, i do find this quote about someone who comitted suizide inapropriate.
Second, yes i am not happy with your PR. This is mainly because i loved this game for ages and i get the feeling that CCP is more and more a ship without a pilot and i get anxious that there will be no more eve at some point.
Don't be rude people, get constructive. There are more ways to show your disagreement.
RoyOfCa had the guts...
Do you?
incoming read-only of the entire GSF in three.... two....o- |
Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
22
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:18:00 -
[207] - Quote
Steph Wing wrote:Orkasm wrote:Paging CCP Navigator to this thread!
Dev Blog Locked, No Content!
|
Byshop Kayl
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
11
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:19:00 -
[208] - Quote
More empty words.
Not even words about content, just words about words that they might utter to us in the future.
Please CCP, stop telling us that you're going to tell us stuff someday.
Just tell us what's going on, and more importantly show us.
Bitter Vet Syndrome: It's like Battered Wife Syndrome, except with spaceships.
"No matter how much CCP keeps hurting us, we keep coming back for more."
-á"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive."-á-- Anonymous
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over-áagain expecting different results."-á-- A. Einstein |
Piuro
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:19:00 -
[209] - Quote
Karadion wrote:I have a boner. Please watch this space.
The first post to live up to the disappointing standard set by the devblog tbqh |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
36
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:19:00 -
[210] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
" Lord Vader, our ships have completed their scan of the area and found nothing."
C.
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Narawen Blake
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:19:00 -
[211] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:20:00 -
[212] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
80
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:20:00 -
[213] - Quote
Well, this certainly could have been played better. Hopefully we'll see some real details go public soon. Personally, I think we're seeing a play for more time when it would be better to just say some very simple things. The fact that those things are not being said is disappointing.
Just a data point for you all: none of this week's devblogs were shown to the CSM in advance.
Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
9
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:21:00 -
[214] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
Reporting violations of rules #7, 17, 20.
7. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.
17. All posts must be about or related to Eve Online.
Posts about other games or game companies, products or services not related to Eve are not permitted.
20. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful, provided that it is presented in a civil, factual manner. Tell us what you don't like and why and how you feel it could be improved. Posts that are not constructive, insulting or rude may be deleted, no matter how valid the ideas behind them may be.
MDD |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:22:00 -
[215] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Well, this certainly could have been played better. Hopefully we'll see some real details go public soon. Personally, I think we're seeing a play for more time when it would be better to just say some very simple things. The fact that those things are not being said is disappointing.
Just a data point for you all: none of this week's devblogs were shown to the CSM in advance.
CCP sucks at PR, news at 11 |
Kyoko Sakoda
Veto.
Veto Corp
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:23:00 -
[216] - Quote
ITT, big fat nothing from devs or even the customers themselves. |
Ripard Teg
Whitestone Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:23:00 -
[217] - Quote
I'll be happy when more details emerge. Apparently, there were supposed to be some. 
In the meantime, a short cautionary tale, written a few days ago:
Triumph of the will |
Isonda
The Candiru
None Of The Above
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:23:00 -
[218] - Quote
thoth rothschild wrote:First, i do find this quote about someone who comitted suizide inapropriate.
Second, yes i am not happy with your PR. This is mainly because i loved this game for ages and i get the feeling that CCP is more and more a ship without a pilot and i get anxious that there will be no more eve at some point.
Don't be rude people, get constructive. There are more ways to show your disagreement.
http://www.**********.com/showthread.php?1577-PEOPLE-OF-RISE!-YOU-ARE-BEING-MISLED
You are the one speaking down about the dead here Thoth Rothschild. It is not a bad thing to remember war heroes that has passed.
Also, I find my alliance pilot to be quite solution oriented.
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Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
6
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:24:00 -
[219] - Quote
While superficially positive, and encouraging cautious optimism, I am considering this to be a place holder message while CCP nails down their short-mid term term plans. I heartily endorse the notion of promising what you can actually deliver.
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Begun, the Feature War has.
Right now in a sinister conference room, arguments are being made that it should be spent on :awesome: flashiness and exploding planets.
Meanwhile, a plucky band of rebel developers champions a radical proposition -- that development should be refocused on fixing existing problems in the game. Stuff like POS's, the user interface, mining and manufacturing, Sov, and a host of other annoyances that plague the current community.
I would argue that UI overhauling can be both flashy AND address existing problems. Particularly if it involves tearing the existing corp/alliance management tools out of the code base and building a new system from the ground up.
Same goes for POS; a major revamp delivering better content AND slick visuals to go on the marketing. POS could look better and more impressive than they do atm. |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:24:00 -
[220] - Quote
horrible, bad, bad blog!
This inability to communicate of some CCPs blows my mind!
oh yes, I almost forgot: FIX WHAT IS BROKEN, THEN do new stuff
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Jr Instructorcon
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:25:00 -
[221] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
6
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:25:00 -
[222] - Quote
Our logs show nothing.
Really.....
No I don't see a devblog. I see a promise of a devblog and a promise to review past promises and fix broken ones.
This is not the blog we are looking for.
The words show promise so let's now see some substance.
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Sonoy
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:26:00 -
[223] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
This |
Andrew Cornwallis
Ixion Defence Systems
Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:26:00 -
[224] - Quote
"We are listening to you"
11 pages of eve crew here, loud and clear. |
Harold Tuphlos
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
8
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:26:00 -
[225] - Quote
This post has more content in fewer words than that 'devblog.' |
Adam Reed
Seniors Clan
Get Off My Lawn
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:27:00 -
[226] - Quote
Scientists reckon they may have made neutrinos go faster than the speed of light at CERN. In the light of the suddenly very weird and frightening world of mystery physics we now find ourselves in, your devblog disappoints me. |
Hypnagogia Ichinumi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:27:00 -
[227] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
Crazy Ferret
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:28:00 -
[228] - Quote
Our logs show you playing LoL.... |
Zarnak Wulf
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:28:00 -
[229] - Quote
KAAAAAAAHHHHHHHNNNNN!!!!!! |
Rave Orbit
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2011.09.22 21:28:00 -
[230] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
What a handful of nothing this blog. |
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Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
40
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:30:00 -
[231] - Quote
Did the forum bug eat your post too CCP Zulu? |
Aizen RIfter
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:31:00 -
[232] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
|
the SNEEP
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:32:00 -
[233] - Quote
ground floor |
Smoking Blunts
30
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:34:00 -
[234] - Quote
so i just read the blog, but i think it must have linked through to basicly nothing.
more crap about you listerning, more crap about better communication. blar blar blar. where is the substance?
what a waste of ******* time
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Louis deGuerre
Malevolence.
17
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:35:00 -
[235] - Quote
Another minute of my life wasted.
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
36
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:35:00 -
[236] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Well, this certainly could have been played better. Hopefully we'll see some real details go public soon. Personally, I think we're seeing a play for more time when it would be better to just say some very simple things. The fact that those things are not being said is disappointing.
Just a data point for you all: none of this week's devblogs were shown to the CSM in advance.
Not encouraging news.
C.
|
Death Begins
The New Era
C0NVICTED
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:36:00 -
[237] - Quote
Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? |
Skaarl
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
4
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:37:00 -
[238] - Quote
talk about a dev blog which says absolutely nothing new, on the 19th CCP released another dev post to link to THE EXACT SAME DEV BLOG that zulu links to and talks about here....
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12200&find=unread |
Jonah Gravenstein
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:38:00 -
[239] - Quote
Content, this blog has none.
I've seen less hot air and empty promises in Jita local at the weekend |
Dodgy Past
Digital Fury Corporation
Northern Coalition.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:39:00 -
[240] - Quote
More devblogs that havn't been run by the CSM
How about putting your head together with them and deciding on some decent iterations that the game desperately needs. For example an announcement on a reworking of something gritty and nasty like POS mechanics might actually capture my attention. |
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Ohmnee
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:39:00 -
[241] - Quote
As far as "Defining Moments' go, this is a bit of a non-starter
:RoyOfCA: |
Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
25
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:41:00 -
[242] - Quote
Steph Wing wrote:Orkasm wrote:Paging CCP Navigator to this thread!
Dev Blog Locked, No Content!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
238
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:43:00 -
[243] - Quote
I think the best thing I can do is to pretend that this "blog" never happened and to wait for the actual information. After all, I have 18 days left on this, my last account. That's plenty of time for some actual information to appear.
No need to advise poor Zulu, who has quite clearly had a gun to his head when he wrote this blog, to kill himself.
Plenty of time to run the real blog past the CSM.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:43:00 -
[244] - Quote
"We have been listening to the players" and in the end they tell us no matter what gosa we give them most will stick around while we play with the new shiny of vampires and game consoles!
What a bizzare dev blog! Yet another content free promise of the "right" awesomeness of which detalis will be shared "soon" that can only end up dissappointing the community.
So some reality checks, since CCP hasn't been working on anything related to what the player base has been calling for and have let themselves focus on the new shiny nothing can happen good for us any time soon, Why, serious development takes time. So we are either going to be promised awesomeness "soon", never to come if history is any indication or we will get slapped together crap to try and placate us.
If there really was something interesting coming from this awakening at CCP we could at least now have gotten a 30K foot view of what is on the table, not a link to another older dev blog with some teasy "wait for it!" happy words. Clearly something was shared with the CSM and even if not everything was final we could have at least been given an overview of the stuff under consideration.
CCP, there is no "soon", there is do or do not.
Crap expansion me once, shame on you, crap expansion me twice, shame on me!
Issler
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Denidil
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
94
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:44:00 -
[245] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Paging CCP Navigator to this thread!
Dev Blog Locked, No Content!
you bastage, that was the joke i was going to make.
Anyone who is blue to DRF are cowards and have failed Eve.
MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
Jita Alt666
230
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:45:00 -
[246] - Quote
This is how I read the blog:
Quote:Hi guys.
Since you got angry with us we have been thinking about what we did wrong.
We normally don't that.
See look at this other blog, it shows we have been listening to you.
We have lots more I swear, but we are scared that if we can't deliver what we say we will you might get angry again.
Please guys we really are trying.
Battered wife syndrome. |
Khagah Mishi
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:47:00 -
[247] - Quote
This is one of the defining moments where we look at what you do and less of what you say. (Of course, you said very little and did even less.) |
Mechael
Helhest 1st Prospectors' Collective
13
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:52:00 -
[248] - Quote
Unless you've got your head stuck in the sand (evidence suggests this is very probable) then you know what you have to do, CCP. Stop blowing snow up our asses and do it.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:52:00 -
[249] - Quote
Why should this have been run by the CSM? There is nothing. Nothing to discuss.
I for one, applaud the new stance to apply the formerly presented Responsible Disclosure approach for security bugs to the Dev Blog and News items. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
112
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:54:00 -
[250] - Quote
"Watch this space" tagline is getting old fast
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[img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img]
[yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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Byshop Kayl
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
12
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:58:00 -
[251] - Quote
Can we really call it a "Dev Blog"?
It's more like a quick note to let us know that some time in the future they may or may not tell us something of substance. Then, they may or may not act on the things, that they may or may not have told us.
-á"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive."-á-- Anonymous
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over-áagain expecting different results."-á-- A. Einstein |
Smoking Blunts
32
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:59:00 -
[252] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:"Watch this space" tagline is getting old fast
watch this space, soon. awesomsause. all bullshite delaying tactics when they have nothing planned.
you could have said we are working on these 4-5 things and were hoping to get at least 2 of them done it time. at least you would be telling the truth for once.
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
24
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:02:00 -
[253] - Quote
You need to fix and improve the UNIVERSE of EVE - people have to want to have fun and play in the game - in Null Sec exploring and redefining what it means to be in this SCI FI universe.
The issue right now is that we're facing a game that can be amazing, modern and exquisite. The challenge is to make EVE feel big, and fun - redefining how things like Starbases work, what they're for, improving our ability to mold our galaxy beyond some resources and some annoying starbases to manage.
Time to make EVE excellent - including the WiS elements. I don't think the challenges are that difficult to face down - or the resources that overwhelming to accomplish what EVE currently needs. If Art is the major bottleneck, that isn't what is being asked for - taking the wealth of art already existing can make it possible.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
totalamd5
OEG
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:03:00 -
[254] - Quote
Quote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
36
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:04:00 -
[255] - Quote
There are certainly "moments that define history"
This wasn't one of them.
C. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army
BricK sQuAD.
8
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:05:00 -
[256] - Quote
Sadly I am not suprised by this devblog.
I guess in another three months we will have another "special sumit" where CCP promise to listen and proceed to do whatever they want. |
Byshop Kayl
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
12
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:08:00 -
[257] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Sadly I am not suprised by this devblog.
I guess in another three months we will have another "special sumit" where CCP promise to listen and proceed to do NOTHING.
Fixed your post.
-á"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive."-á-- Anonymous
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over-áagain expecting different results."-á-- A. Einstein |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:09:00 -
[258] - Quote
For the first time since.......quite along time actually, I am actually feeling a little excited about Eve again.
I will watch this with interest.... |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:10:00 -
[259] - Quote
reported by CCP Zulu | 2011.09.22 19:57:18
Intrepid pilots of New Eden!
WeGÇÖre no strangers to love,
You know the rules and so do I.
A full commitmentGÇÖs what IGÇÖm thinking of,
You wouldnt get this from any other guy.
I just wanna tell you how IGÇÖm feeling,
Gotta make you understandGǪ
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
WeGÇÖve known each other for so long
Your heartGÇÖs been aching
But youGÇÖre too shy to say it.
Inside we both know whatGÇÖs been going on,
We know the game and weGÇÖre gonna play it.
Annnnnd if you ask me how IGÇÖm feeling,
DonGÇÖt tell me youGÇÖre too blind to seeGǪ
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
Give you up. give you up.
Give you up, give you up.
Never gonna give
Never gonna give, give you up.
Never gonna give
Never gonna give, give you up.
WeGÇÖve known each other for so long
Your heartGÇÖs been aching
But youGÇÖre too shy to say it.
Inside we both know whatGÇÖs been going on,
We know the game and weGÇÖre gonna play it.
I just wanna tell you how IGÇÖm feeling,
Gotta make you understandGǪ
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
Watch this space.
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
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Silent Bruce
Kadavr Black Guard
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:11:00 -
[260] - Quote
Dear CCP,
No new shinies. Please polish FiS until it gleams.
Watching what you *do* |
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David Carel
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:11:00 -
[261] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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Largo Usagi
SregginWaffe
Elite Space Guild
8
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:12:00 -
[262] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
isn't a reserved post normally the second one. |
Jonathan Priest
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:13:00 -
[263] - Quote
I was excited when I read the title.
I don't understand why you'd post this. You had a couple decent blogs this week, if you don't have anything more to say, why not wait until you do. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:13:00 -
[264] - Quote
I am now flaccid. Please watch this space. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
130
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:16:00 -
[265] - Quote
Short devblog with 99% information and facts is better than long blog with 99% of junk pagaged to beautiful box :)
Good going, keep it up :)
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Get working images and colored text
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Edna Sputum
Blueprint Haus
Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:16:00 -
[266] - Quote
Could have been worse.
At least they didn't announce that the new Eve font will cost Aurum.
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Byshop Kayl
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
12
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:17:00 -
[267] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Short devblog with 99% information and facts is better than long blog with 99% of junk pagaged to beautiful box :)
Good going, keep it up :)
There was NO information in that devblog at all.
-á"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive."-á-- Anonymous
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over-áagain expecting different results."-á-- A. Einstein |
Mechael
Helhest 1st Prospectors' Collective
14
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:18:00 -
[268] - Quote
Steph Wing wrote:We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get hairy they instinctively stall for time. That, they certainly have done this week. First of we have the fallout over Incarna, an amazing example of company resource allocation gone wrong. A vision from years ago that has been re-purposed to serve as a prototype for CCP's other MMO project. It rolls out a midst massive controversy, in some cases larger than what has been seen before, this is the pinnacle of community insults. For all the hurf blurf and :promises: we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But CCP have done more, not only have they redefined their level of customer disconnect with Incarna but they have also defined what it really means to fail at communication, both internally a la resource allocation and externally a la CSM.
Naturally, they have caught the attention of the world. Only a few months ago they averted catastrophe over Monoclegate and now they have done it again by committing to their core purpose as a company by managing expectations.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having played this game for six years, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP do and less of what they say. Common sense takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
All that said, I couldn't be prouder of what we have accomplished as a community, knocking sense into Icelandic alpha males is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
Bravo, sir. I tip my monocle to you.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:19:00 -
[269] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Short devblog with 99% information and facts is better than long blog with 99% of junk pagaged to beautiful box :)
Good going, keep it up :)
Tell me, good sir, what information was there? Are you trying to fellate that ego of CCP's for no good reason? |
Zanark Reniadil
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:19:00 -
[270] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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Myxx
Atropos Group
55
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:22:00 -
[271] - Quote
Things i want done in no particular order:
implement establishments
implement the rest of the captains quarters, and their larger versions
expand on wormhole space
ship balance
give soundwave more resources, full stop. give him whatever he needs
fix 'crimewatch' and highsec security mechanics to be less stupid.
put torfifrans back in the director's seat
put oveur back in the director's seat
get rid of CCP Zulu - he has pissed people off too many times
cancel resources for WoD until EVE shines like it needs to
get rid of the nex store
make those faction warfare people stop crying, throw them a bone or two ffs
nuke nullsec powerblocs to hell and back, i wont fly out there because its seriously owned by one or two major powerblocs by and large
implement BFF's 'smallholdings' idea
add another 10,000 star systems
give the live events team a hell of a lot more resources
fire ccp zulu and whoever else thought of the microtransactions idea, they're terrible. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
114
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:23:00 -
[272] - Quote
Perramas wrote:reported by CCP Zulu | 2011.09.22 19:57:18
Intrepid pilots of New Eden!
WeGÇÖre no strangers to love,
You know the rules and so do I.
A full commitmentGÇÖs what IGÇÖm thinking of,
You wouldnt get this from any other guy.
I just wanna tell you how IGÇÖm feeling,
Gotta make you understandGǪ
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
WeGÇÖve known each other for so long
Your heartGÇÖs been aching
But youGÇÖre too shy to say it.
Inside we both know whatGÇÖs been going on,
We know the game and weGÇÖre gonna play it.
Annnnnd if you ask me how IGÇÖm feeling,
DonGÇÖt tell me youGÇÖre too blind to seeGǪ
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
Give you up. give you up.
Give you up, give you up.
Never gonna give
Never gonna give, give you up.
Never gonna give
Never gonna give, give you up.
WeGÇÖve known each other for so long
Your heartGÇÖs been aching
But youGÇÖre too shy to say it.
Inside we both know whatGÇÖs been going on,
We know the game and weGÇÖre gonna play it.
I just wanna tell you how IGÇÖm feeling,
Gotta make you understandGǪ
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna run around and desert you.
Never gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye,
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.
Watch this space.
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
WIN
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[yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:25:00 -
[273] - Quote
Crazy Ferret wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
can someone tell the goons to stop posting...
i get it you are unhappy with the dev blog but telling someone to kill themselves is beyond reproach even for the goons...
to ccp zulu...
perhaps you can get ccp tallest to update his thread about ideas...
i know that would be enough for me for now...
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
130
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:27:00 -
[274] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Short devblog with 99% information and facts is better than long blog with 99% of junk pagaged to beautiful box :) Good going, keep it up :)
Karadion wrote:Tell me, good sir, what information was there? Are you trying to fellate that ego of CCP's for no good reason?
Byshop Kayl wrote:There was NO information in that devblog at all.
There was plenty of information, but apparently not the lines you were expecting to find.
Info> Over the past days and weeks, CCP has been doing extensive and intense introspection and revitalization.
Info> The result of this is a refocusing and reprioritization on a scale unheard of within our company.
Statement> These are indeed defining times.
Info recap> TorfiGÇÖs most recent dev blog provides some indication of whatGÇÖs to come.
Info> We have decided, to focus our collective efforts on the areas you have asked us to focus on.
Info> We will reveal more over the coming weeks.
Statement> As certain details are prone to change, we want to make sure we have absolutely concrete information to give you.
Statement> YouGÇÖve often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, and this time we want to be certain that doesnGÇÖt happen.
Info> We are listening to you, we have heard you, and plans are already in motion.
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Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:29:00 -
[275] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
Watching the paint dry..
I would say 'we will watch what you do not what you say' but I was beaten to it.
Keep up the good work more Soon(tm) and empty wordbytes, they really do make our day and fill us with a warm feeling. It is good to know when you click on a dev blog that the content is worth the time taken to click... |
nails
Ota Corps
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:31:00 -
[276] - Quote
GET READY (TM) for CCP's Promise of a Promise of a Promise to be delivered Soon (TM). Soon to announce an expansion of EPIC scale.
Surprise Announcement of expantion:
"secret contact" wrote:We are adding a bathroom to your captains quarters! Enjoy the next 3 months of debugging your toilet. |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:35:00 -
[277] - Quote
Where's the meat? |
Productioner
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:35:00 -
[278] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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Toshio Skywall
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:36:00 -
[279] - Quote
Alekseyev Karrde wrote: ... As a former CSM and follower of this sort of thing, I've seen the "We hear you!" line used but not evidenced in later action. I will say this though, the TONE and SCALE of "We hear you!" is new.
... I wont say I'm optimistic, but I WILL say I'm interested.
Wait, you aren't following the Goonswarm meme of whining and temper tantrums.
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:36:00 -
[280] - Quote
Productioner wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
hey l1 do you have the guts? to stop posting? |
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RiotGrrrrrl
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:38:00 -
[281] - Quote
Is the space to be watched better viewed through a $70 virtual monocle while wearing $1000 jeans? |
bloodknight2
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:39:00 -
[282] - Quote
I want moar disco abaddon in the next patch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlKedQg5O8&feature=related |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
50
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:40:00 -
[283] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Productioner wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? hey l1 do you have the guts? to stop posting?
would RoyOfCA have stopped posting before the job was done? |
Byshop Kayl
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
12
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:41:00 -
[284] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Short devblog with 99% information and facts is better than long blog with 99% of junk pagaged to beautiful box :) Good going, keep it up :) Karadion wrote:Tell me, good sir, what information was there? Are you trying to fellate that ego of CCP's for no good reason? Byshop Kayl wrote:There was NO information in that devblog at all. There was plenty of information, but apparently not the lines you were expecting to find. Info> Over the past days and weeks, CCP has been doing extensive and intense introspection and revitalization. Info> The result of this is a refocusing and reprioritization on a scale unheard of within our company. Statement> These are indeed defining times. Info recap> TorfiGÇÖs most recent dev blog provides some indication of whatGÇÖs to come. Info> We have decided, to focus our collective efforts on the areas you have asked us to focus on. Info> We will reveal more over the coming weeks. Statement> As certain details are prone to change, we want to make sure we have absolutely concrete information to give you. Statement> YouGÇÖve often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, and this time we want to be certain that doesnGÇÖt happen. Info> We are listening to you, we have heard you, and plans are already in motion.
If you choose to deem this information.
However, it is information devoid of an value, substance, or verifiable fact.
We have heard a lot of words from CCP over the last few weeks. It's all pixelated hot air right now.
CCP needs to act. And some unidentifiable time in the future labeled "Soon" does not cut it.
We've been waiting for weeks and months for actions, not for more words.
It is frustrating to have it confirmed that they haven't even STARTED acting yet.
They should have made decisions months ago and the actions should be showing fruition by now.
-á"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive."-á-- Anonymous
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over-áagain expecting different results."-á-- A. Einstein |
Karadion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:41:00 -
[285] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Short devblog with 99% information and facts is better than long blog with 99% of junk pagaged to beautiful box :) Good going, keep it up :) Karadion wrote:Tell me, good sir, what information was there? Are you trying to fellate that ego of CCP's for no good reason? Byshop Kayl wrote:There was NO information in that devblog at all. There was plenty of information, but apparently not the lines you were expecting to find. Info> Over the past days and weeks, CCP has been doing extensive and intense introspection and revitalization. Info> The result of this is a refocusing and reprioritization on a scale unheard of within our company. Statement> These are indeed defining times. Info recap> TorfiGÇÖs most recent dev blog provides some indication of whatGÇÖs to come. Info> We have decided, to focus our collective efforts on the areas you have asked us to focus on. Info> We will reveal more over the coming weeks. Statement> As certain details are prone to change, we want to make sure we have absolutely concrete information to give you. Statement> YouGÇÖve often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, and this time we want to be certain that doesnGÇÖt happen. Info> We are listening to you, we have heard you, and plans are already in motion.
We can sum this up as a bunch of HOT AIR easily. Incarna is a failure and they don't want to admit that. |
Philip Jones
Thundercats
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:43:00 -
[286] - Quote
Lets hope they fix the game by just rolling it back to the pre-battelship era |
Mechael
Helhest 1st Prospectors' Collective
14
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:43:00 -
[287] - Quote
Myxx wrote:Things i want done in no particular order:
implement establishments
implement the rest of the captains quarters, and their larger versions
expand on wormhole space
ship balance
give soundwave more resources, full stop. give him whatever he needs
fix 'crimewatch' and highsec security mechanics to be less stupid.
put torfifrans back in the director's seat
put oveur back in the director's seat
get rid of CCP Zulu - he has pissed people off too many times
cancel resources for WoD until EVE shines like it needs to
get rid of the nex store
make those faction warfare people stop crying, throw them a bone or two ffs
nuke nullsec powerblocs to hell and back, i wont fly out there because its seriously owned by one or two major powerblocs by and large
implement BFF's 'smallholdings' idea
add another 10,000 star systems
give the live events team a hell of a lot more resources
fire ccp zulu and whoever else thought of the microtransactions idea, they're terrible.
I like the way you think. CCP, hire this person as a consultant or something.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Mechael
Helhest 1st Prospectors' Collective
14
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:46:00 -
[288] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:
i get it you are unhappy with the dev blog but telling someone to kill themselves is beyond reproach even for the goons...
Eh ... it's just death. Everyone does it eventually.
EDIT: And it is technically incorrect to say that they are telling anyone to kill themselves. They are merely asking CCP if they have the "guts" (courage) to do it. It's a question, not a command.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Jita Alt666
233
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:47:00 -
[289] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Short devblog with 99% information and facts is better than long blog with 99% of junk pagaged to beautiful box :) Good going, keep it up :) Karadion wrote:Tell me, good sir, what information was there? Are you trying to fellate that ego of CCP's for no good reason? Byshop Kayl wrote:There was NO information in that devblog at all. There was plenty of information, but apparently not the lines you were expecting to find. Unverified Claim> Over the past days and weeks, CCP has been doing extensive and intense introspection and revitalization. Unverified Claim> The result of this is a refocusing and reprioritization on a scale unheard of within our company. Statement> These are indeed defining times. Information Direction> TorfiGÇÖs most recent dev blog provides some indication of whatGÇÖs to come. Unverified Claim> We have decided, to focus our collective efforts on the areas you have asked us to focus on. Validation of Previous Unverified Claim> We will reveal more over the coming weeks. Statement> As certain details are prone to change, we want to make sure we have absolutely concrete information to give you. Statement> YouGÇÖve often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, and this time we want to be certain that doesnGÇÖt happen. Unverified Propaganda > We are listening to you, we have heard you, and plans are already in motion.
Fixed it for You. The only concrete definitive things about that blog are:
1. It confirms the blog from Torfi is real
2. It came from Zulu.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
130
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:48:00 -
[290] - Quote
Yea well...
It would be easier for them to promise somethingTM to make people happy and (maybe) deal with it later when same people think that soonTM time has passed.
I believe that zulu is really trying here, so lets at least give him fair change. I would be more worried if he had posted awesome blog with full of junk and tried to push it with impossible development timetable again... We all know where that road leads.
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Byshop Kayl
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
12
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:50:00 -
[291] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Yea well...
It would be easier for them to promise somethingTM to make people happy and (maybe) deal with it later when same people think that soonTM time has passed.
I believe that zulu is really trying here, so lets at least give him fair change. I would be more worried if he had posted awesome blog with full of junk and tried to push it with impossible development timetable again... We all know where that road leads.
The right response would have been for them to have actually done something by now, other than talk.
-á"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive."-á-- Anonymous
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over-áagain expecting different results."-á-- A. Einstein |
Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
186
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:57:00 -
[292] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Yay, show those naysayers so that the "CCP Loyalists" don't look stupid :3
Sometimes, the most loyal thing to do is to dissent.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
130
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:01:00 -
[293] - Quote
Byshop Kayl wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Yea well...
It would be easier for them to promise somethingTM to make people happy and (maybe) deal with it later when same people think that soonTM time has passed.
I believe that zulu is really trying here, so lets at least give him fair change. I would be more worried if he had posted awesome blog with full of junk and tried to push it with impossible development timetable again... We all know where that road leads. The right response would have been for them to have actually done something by now, other than talk.
People with plenty of ideas do things without planning or thinking and hope for the best.
People with research skills won't do anything without solid facts and planning but often need little pushing to get started.
People in charge want turn ideas to products as fast and efficiently as possible, sometimes by cutting some corners.
People with lots of opinnions and friends have plenty to say about things but are often unable to take responsibility about any actions.
"Done something by now" is day for some, year for someone else... In companies with different kind of workers it is usually something from between (thankfully).
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Kaaletram Lothyrawir
Ignus Astrum
The Veyr Collective
3
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:01:00 -
[294] - Quote
Quote:Sometimes, the most loyal thing to do is to dissent.
I would have to agree, to a point. When it turns into bashing I think that is a bit much. Declaring your opinion on things you like or don't like is fine but bashing well not so helpful in getting things accomplished. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
70
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:04:00 -
[295] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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SARPIDON
Malum.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:04:00 -
[296] - Quote
Team :awesome: , you're time is up. Thanks for literally nothing. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:04:00 -
[297] - Quote
@CCP Zulu, CSM is right here, remember, watching what you do and not what you say, your past history doesn't allow me to trust anything you say, specially witholding information to CSM, and, discussing planets blowing up as in new features instead of actually fixing what we really need right now, I don't give a damn about dust/eve connection features, I give a damn about issues we have right now that affect me and other players directly.
So, I'll be reading the next blog with said announced goodieswith a quite scrutiny eye, but in the end, the only thing that matters is what you do, not what you say, do remember that.
Oh and this:
isioisi wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:11:00 -
[298] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
CCP, if you really want to make a change in your company, fire Zulu.
You guys are in dire need of a new project manager. |
S0ulR3ap3r
Synergy Holdings Inc
Cascade Associates
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:13:00 -
[299] - Quote
I see good things in the works for ccp.
fck wai.........
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S0ulR3ap3r
Synergy Holdings Inc
Cascade Associates
1
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:14:00 -
[300] - Quote
I see good things in the works for ccp.
fck wai.........
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Resivan
Driftglass Development
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:23:00 -
[301] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0
CCP has a long way to go to become the Wendy's of the MMO world. |
Crazy Ferret
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:24:00 -
[302] - Quote
CCP can i have more tattoos options, it means alot to me
thanks |
HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:28:00 -
[303] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
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London
8
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:31:00 -
[304] - Quote
Keep up the great work on the best MMO ever made! And thanks for listening to your player-base this time.
I've been around since 03', and all this recent activity has rekindled my love for the game.
Fly safe.
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PinkKnife
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
2
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:40:00 -
[305] - Quote
"Watch this space"
Ahhh epic pun. + 5 pun points to CCP.
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paritybit
Rote Kapelle
19
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:42:00 -
[306] - Quote
Because nobody else is saying it, I'll say it. I want Incarna. The real Incarna. The Incarna with player interaction. I love to fly my space ship and shoot people with my autocannons, but you can't do that all the time. Sometimes you just need to get out of all that pod goo and feel week and mortal for a while. So while I don't want you to stop working on flying in space, I don't want you to stop working on Incarna either.
There are other players who want Incarna too. Some of them won't say it because the bittervets will deem them unworthy. Some of them don't post on the forums. Some of them quit long ago. Some of them haven't even started playing yet. But there are others. |
Silence 133
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:42:00 -
[307] - Quote
I took a good 5 minutes to decide whether I wanted to click on the comments link from the devblog. I'm still not sure I made the right decision.
/Saying nothing about people saying nothing in response to someone saying nothing. |
Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:43:00 -
[308] - Quote
I agree 100% there could have been more actual content in this dev blog. But many of the posters in this thread should be ashamed of themselves if I understand this Rofofca thing correctly.
You people worse than spolied children.
Allocate resources to FiS |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
34
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:46:00 -
[309] - Quote
what's is very funny here is to see than on page one everyone say that the dev blog is godly, then after everyone say it's ****.
i wonder how many time the "ccp alt" memo have been said here... |
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
16
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:46:00 -
[310] - Quote
They were doing better and then... that...
Watch this space, it's gonna be :awesome: |
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Nopsa
Lithium Flower.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:46:00 -
[311] - Quote
Too Good To Be True.
Hope I'm wrong though. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:58:00 -
[312] - Quote
paritybit wrote:Because nobody else is saying it, I'll say it. I want Incarna. The real Incarna. The Incarna with player interaction. I love to fly my space ship and shoot people with my autocannons, but you can't do that all the time. Sometimes you just need to get out of all that pod goo and feel weak and mortal for a while. So while I don't want you to stop working on flying in space, I don't want you to stop working on Incarna either.
There are other players who want Incarna too. Some of them won't say it because the bittervets will deem them unworthy. Some of them don't post on the forums. Some of them quit long ago. Some of them haven't even started playing yet. But there are others.
Don't get me wrong, I want incarna also... but the one they released a video about a few years ago where they had a dude walking around in a ***** bar and a pretty cool game that the devs were messing around with that you could challenge others to in one of the "establishments".
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoOyvRTA2Ps&feature=related
I also want incarna dude.
However, I also want the game we currently play to work. As it stands, it does not. The game is horribly broken and CCP are entirely focused on new projects leaving the game we play right now in shambles.
This is quite literally the most mismanaged game in terms of development I have ever played. So much over promising and so much under delivering.
Hence the outrage with this dev blog. It's more :words:. |
Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
0
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Posted - 2011.09.22 23:58:00 -
[313] - Quote
WTF is wrong with CCP and blogs these days ? In the last couple of ones, it's been empty blogs or half empty (half full if you like) content ? Is this becoming the new style or the new thing ? Please stop it. it's a waste of my bandwith...and time for me to read it. When you announce something, you actually announce... something. I feel a big DUHH is coming lol.
I'm getting sick and tired of this. Just swinging candy in my face and saying : "just wait a couple of days and you'll get one" makes me want to punch you in the face, kick your balls, smash them while your on the ground and steal the candy. Yes, I do see a therapist for my anger. Problem is he said not to approach him withing 100 meters.
Big companies are doing this as well and you know what, they don't get more votes, more reputation, more money or more whatever you want. so just quit it and go back to your old "good" style. Writing good blogs on content and eve online. Stop posting about "we got an announcement...but you'll have to wait later for that" kind of thing. |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:13:00 -
[314] - Quote
paritybit wrote:Because nobody else is saying it, I'll say it. I want Incarna.
There's a reason nobody else is saying it. Stop being dumb.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
buck herrick
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:15:00 -
[315] - Quote
i hope the wait is worth it.
you have my patience and attention.
make it good ! make it better! bring back awesome!!11 |
Flamespar
Woof Club
30
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:16:00 -
[316] - Quote
I also want Incarna. Personally I've been looking forward to it for years and I'm not alone.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
RavenNyx
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:22:00 -
[317] - Quote
If I wanted WoW, I would've opened a WoW account - never did, never will. I play EvE, you know the game about spaceships, in space? Not dolls, not SimCity, not Poker, not a bad copy of StreetFighter and certainly not another Halo - SPACESHIPS! I cannot get much clearer than that - sorry...
Drop Incarna, give me my spaceships! That's why I signed up for my accounts, that's why I'm playing this game - why don't you understand that? I didn't open an EvE account to play with dolls, or play a horribly cribbled SimCity, I want raw "action / re-action" in space, not "total immersion", I get that from the game called "Real Life", the one set "Away From the Computer: Another Life".
Fix the freekin' spaceships, and THEN do the pretties - then I can fly my ships, wreck mayhem among the stars, and not care about the other stuff. Then I'll be happy. Then I'll stop complaining. But filling my already sore eyes with hot air and stalling like this? A sincerely "[bad word] you". Tell me something new, or STFU...
PS:
Bring back the old forums - I think I broke my mouse scrolling this flashy eye-poop... |
Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:26:00 -
[318] - Quote
RavenNyx wrote:
PS:
Bring back the old forums - I think I broke my mouse scrolling this flashy eye-poop...
Should'nt we have an option to choose the theme we want. I WANT THAT TOO |
Written Word
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:29:00 -
[319] - Quote
That is some T3 Damage Control there.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
281
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:42:00 -
[320] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
CCP trolling CCP best Trolling.
84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
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Decus Daga
45th TIGERS
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:45:00 -
[321] - Quote
Personally im loving whats been happening lately. Keep up the good work CCP! |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
130
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Posted - 2011.09.23 00:50:00 -
[322] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:paritybit wrote:Because nobody else is saying it, I'll say it. I want Incarna. The real Incarna. The Incarna with player interaction. I love to fly my space ship and shoot people with my autocannons, but you can't do that all the time. Sometimes you just need to get out of all that pod goo and feel weak and mortal for a while. So while I don't want you to stop working on flying in space, I don't want you to stop working on Incarna either.
There are other players who want Incarna too. Some of them won't say it because the bittervets will deem them unworthy. Some of them don't post on the forums. Some of them quit long ago. Some of them haven't even started playing yet. But there are others. Don't get me wrong, I want incarna also... but the one they released a video about a few years ago where they had a dude walking around in a ***** bar and a pretty cool game that the devs were messing around with that you could challenge others to in one of the "establishments". Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoOyvRTA2Ps&feature=relatedI also want incarna dude.
Yea... ^^ is what I was expecting. I was kinda amused when I found out that all this code was "binned" and all we got was graphical showdown without any content worth mentioning. I still think that the original design was better than the current one.
Think graphics after content is finished. People play content, not graphics.
Graphics can be upgraded - content is more difficult to change.
Graphics sell, render videos. People do not play videos - fake it.
Future vision is there - you already know howto.
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Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
28
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:07:00 -
[323] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Paging CCP Navigator to this thread!
Dev Blog Locked, No Content!
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
45
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:16:00 -
[324] - Quote
:actions: not :words:
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
Kno Bodeesbitch
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:18:00 -
[325] - Quote
Holy shi...!!!
This thread is growing so fast that before i get to through reading the last page there is a new one.
CCP Zulu you have a way of bringing out the "best" in us these days... 
Good luck we are all counting on you.... |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
281
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:22:00 -
[326] - Quote
Grimpak wrote::actions: not :words:
These aren't even :words:...
84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
29
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:31:00 -
[327] - Quote
Basically...
Ex CSM member and Designer of the Tornado. -á
Pilot satisfaction --áNew Ships |
Lord Helghast
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Secunda
30
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:33:00 -
[328] - Quote
sounds good, but honestly let me repeat something CCP said in the past "We'll wait to see what you do not what you say" ... honestly so far all you guys have said is the smallest of things... and some obscure wide spanning "ideas" |
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Iure Divino
36
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:34:00 -
[329] - Quote
EVE to LOTR Analogy.
Bear with me:
In the scene, the following characters represent things in the issues of the past month. They are as follows:
Gandalf & Pippin = EVE the game itself
Witch-King = Incarna
Theoden = John Turbefield (Diagoras)
Riders of Rohan = People who prefer the old vision of EVE (no MTs, no forced Incarna)
Orcs = Proponents of the new vision of EVE (pro MT, Incarna, etc.)
Orc Captain (Gothmog) = CCP Soundwave ()
It works. I think. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
281
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:36:00 -
[330] - Quote
CCP should install webcams all over their HQ, and make The Office, Reykjavik Edition.
84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
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WenD'l
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:00:00 -
[331] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you?
Not empty quoting this, I can even get you a deal at a car rental place. |
WenD'l
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:18:00 -
[332] - Quote
Mr LaForge wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? I don't even know what this quote means but it seems like its good to do so.
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/69125 or for the nervous types scared of keyloggers and such chase down the story with google... Sins of a Solar Spymaster #14
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Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:28:00 -
[333] - Quote
WenD'l wrote:Mr LaForge wrote:L1m9n1663r wrote:Dear CCP Dev:
RoyOfCA had the guts...
Do you? I don't even know what this quote means but it seems like its good to do so. http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/69125 or for the nervous types scared of keyloggers and such chase down the story with google... Sins of a Solar Spymaster #14
Thank you Wen. |
WenD'l
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:36:00 -
[334] - Quote
Mechael wrote:MeBiatch wrote:
i get it you are unhappy with the dev blog but telling someone to kill themselves is beyond reproach even for the goons...
Eh ... it's just death. Everyone does it eventually. EDIT: And it is technically incorrect to say that they are telling anyone to kill themselves. They are merely asking CCP if they have the "guts" (courage) to do it. It's a question, not a command.
I actually saw it as a message that RoyofCa had the guts to stick with -whatever- he was doing with or without any outside support.
Whether that be acting as the solo voice of truth to the people of Rise, or seeking to end his life on his own terms. His determination to accomplish whatever he set out to do is a model CCP developers could learn from...
If the DEV's should be feeling suicidal over accomplishing nothing useful for FiS, I suggest they seek proper mental help -and-/-or- get their heads out of WoD/CQ and actually do something useful...
YMMV |
Philderbeast
M.I.M.M.S
The Watchmen.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 02:45:00 -
[335] - Quote
no path notes = no fixes = nothing to see here...
give me a set of patch notes full of things players have asked for (like say from the CSM backlog) then i might give you a thumbs up, till then this is a fail dev blog. |
Rada Ionesco
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 03:13:00 -
[336] - Quote
I'd love to be optimistic about this but it's all a bit silly now. Lag is still a problem, CCP is selling avatar pants for a billion isk, I mean how much can they revitalize the game? One billion isk for a pair of pants and you cant' even get in large fleet fights with out node crashes. They want you to pre-plan fleet fights, and file a flight plan. They are so flushing this game down the toilet. CCP should really just make it Free 2 Play so they can sell you ships already. navy Issue Raven- ten trillion isk please. Clown central. |
Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
11
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Posted - 2011.09.23 03:16:00 -
[337] - Quote
Seleene wrote:... a play for more time
...
none of this week's devblogs were shown to the CSM in advance.
Yes, it would be totally consistent if that is the case / the game they are playing.
I'm watching what they do, not what they say.
(Watching until the paid annual subs run out in Spring 2012, anyway)
CCP clearly stated the value they place on what we say.
I'm happy to give their :words: the same level of respect. |
Peralandra
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 03:20:00 -
[338] - Quote
Sounds like good news to me, keep it up CCP!!!
Looking forward to what's on the horizon |
Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
11
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Posted - 2011.09.23 03:39:00 -
[339] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:...
So some reality checks, since CCP hasn't been working on anything related to what the player base has been calling for and have let themselves focus on the new shiny nothing can happen good for us any time soon, Why[?], serious development takes time.
...
Yes, they have pretty much screwed the pooch.
They took over two months after the Riots to decide that "Gee, those players are actually doing something. This is costing us real money. We better do something they like.".
Now, a lot of players are looking for the 'Winter Expansion' to show that substantial effort/resources are again being applied to Eve Online (AKA, Flying in Space by some). However, there isn't enough time left to design, develop and deliver much of anything this year.
The best we can realistically hope for is some wide spread bug-stomping and minor feature tweaks.
Quality software development is hard and takes time. It can't just be pulled out of your rear-end when needed. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
78
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Posted - 2011.09.23 03:42:00 -
[340] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:YouGÇÖve often told us that we promise too much and deliver too little, and this time we want to be certain that doesnGÇÖt happen.
Translation: "We're promising nothing, so everything we actually deliver will be much more than you expected!"
Is CCP trying to take a play out of Apple's book? Which will be most awesome: iCloud or cyno field? |
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2011.09.23 04:03:00 -
[341] - Quote
CCP, RoyofCA died for your sins. Don't let his sacrifice go to waste.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Dalton Vanadis
Miranda United
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
405
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Posted - 2011.09.23 04:15:00 -
[342] - Quote
At Trebor's urging:
I vote go for fixing up and iterating on existing features, at least initially. Fix a lot of broken systems, work a little bit within the already massively complex universe you already have before trying to add in more content.
Get POS's fixed up, that dead horse thread has been around for a long-ass time and really should probably get checked off at some point soon.
Sov definitely could use a revamp.
FW, WH's, Incursions, capitals, super capitals, T3, art assets, PI, Dust Link, etc. They all have room for iterative improvement, and should at least be gotten to something slightly more useful before trying to jump onto new and shiny FiS features. Though I'd say a balance would be the best approach in the long run.
Initially I would say make a gigantic push to fix the old **** and get it in tip top shape, make this game unilaterally awesome and new instead of having bits from 2003 that are slowing down or inhibiting your 2011 bits. Then keep a team or three tasked with continued iteration and updates on that content while moving the rest of the workforce into new content again.
Additionally, I would say deliver on the development promises you have stated for the short term, get Incarna out from being a useless one person barbie show at least, get the nebulae in, finish upgrading ship textures, etc. |
Erik Finnegan
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
3
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Posted - 2011.09.23 04:15:00 -
[343] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Victory? Victory you say? Master Bittervet, not victory. The shroud of the :awesome: side has fallen. Begun the Feature War has.
PS to Zulu: "This is not the blog we're looking for."
QFT
Watch this space; it fixes EVE. |
Molsan
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 04:21:00 -
[344] - Quote
Dang forums deleated a huge long post.
TLDR
EvE is boring
Not a lot of worthwhile content in a 2h play period.
PvP takes to long because huge form up then combat is 30 jumps away.
PvE is mind numbing and solo.
Incursions and WH are great but take more time due to travel or scanning time required.
Give me something to do that is fun and worth while to do.
Small scale PvP that means something and helps my alliance or hurts the other that does not require me going 30 jumps there and then 30 back.
PvE content that takes a group and is always there...close by so in between ops we can have some fun isking up.
Just make it worth logging in if I only have an hour to play.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
78
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Posted - 2011.09.23 04:32:00 -
[345] - Quote
Indeed :)
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lceman
FinFleet
Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 04:42:00 -
[346] - Quote
maybe this year you will fix the issue with r.a.m's its so redicules you guys broke this and have not fixed it yet.
its so annoying you have to have the ammount of r.a.m equal the build amount and not the actual usage amount like in the old days if you need 20 you only had to have 20, now when you need 20 you have to have 2000 cause thats how many you are building.
7uck1ng get you **** together ccp, it aint rocket science. |
T'Laar Bok
24
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Posted - 2011.09.23 04:44:00 -
[347] - Quote
I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what they say.
hmmmm.... cant help thinking that sounds somehow familiar .
Amphetimines are your friend. |
Officer Spawn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.09.23 05:33:00 -
[348] - Quote
Thanks for this CCP Zulu, for confirming CCP still has nothing but contempt for its playerbase and still believes contentless picoblogs are actual communication.
The only thing of any substance in your 'blog' was a reference to the Torfi blog which did have some real content. It was about making Space Barbies prettier and rolling back some of the dumber changes made to that minor feature, EVE Online.
With the additional announcement of rolling back to a pre-Cold War text font I would predict the next years will be spent slowly rolling back EVE to 2003. First supercaps are removed, then the wormholes, the Drone Regions, normal caps, POSes, constructed outposts and T2 ships. It will be bold, Fearless and hilarious to watch. |
Cedric deBouilard
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2011.09.23 05:39:00 -
[349] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Right now in a sinister conference room, arguments are being made that it should be spent on :awesome: flashiness and exploding planets.
^^ Definitely not this, people won't buy any new awesomeness if the base game is broken and its been that way for years.
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Meanwhile, a plucky band of rebel developers champions a radical proposition -- that development should be refocused on fixing existing problems in the game. Stuff like POS's, the user interface, mining and manufacturing, Sov, and a host of other annoyances that plague the current community.
^^ This and only this. Fix your foundations before building on top of it.
and again, watch what they do, not what they say.
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Jussa Tetas
Terminal Innervations
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 05:47:00 -
[350] - Quote
Very nice words being said over the past week or so. I really do enjoy a bit of feature foreplay, but at some point I just want to "do the dirty". Show me the meat. plz. |
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Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
31
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Posted - 2011.09.23 05:49:00 -
[351] - Quote
Decadence wrote:UbaH wrote:When I hear "moments that define history" I think new ships, not shinier captains quarters. Apparently "moments that define history" means "we'll fix the stuff we broke"
It's not even "We'll fix stuff we broke."
It's "We promise we'll tell you something about fixing stuff we broke. But not right now." |
Xtraneous
Sam's Space Guys
5
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:00:00 -
[352] - Quote
They stil let Zulu do dev blogs? |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:01:00 -
[353] - Quote
How can I comment on a blog with no content?
OK...well it does say CCP are worried (maybe even a little panic is rolling around the corridors of their offices)...they may even be shitting themselves when they look at subscription numbers and the recent press.
This blog speaks volumes about what is happening inside CCP at this present time...unfortunately, it says very little about saving/bringing back the game we love.
Patience is wearing thin.
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Bratwurst0r
Austrian Industrial Corporation
Universal Constant Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:03:00 -
[354] - Quote
Vergy good, love it.
Now, there doesn't have to be a war between "flashy features" and "redoing 0.0/sov/ect".
Combine the two. Implement 1 flashy thingy for your marketing departement, and the rest is reworking the mechanics so that the gameplay gets better in general.
But, we watch what you do, not what you say, right? |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
281
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:18:00 -
[355] - Quote
Steph Wing wrote:Decadence wrote:UbaH wrote:When I hear "moments that define history" I think new ships, not shinier captains quarters. Apparently "moments that define history" means "we'll fix the stuff we broke" It's not even "We'll fix stuff we broke." It's "We promise we'll tell you something about fixing stuff we broke. But not right now."
Seriously, are you guys that blind to reading between the lines?
It is obvious the moments in history refer to the struggle for resources between the good FiS devs and the :awesome: upper management retards.
84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
2
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:38:00 -
[356] - Quote
Thank you CCP for wasting another 5 minutes of my time. Where I read your dev blog, re-read it to see if I was missing the joke. Then highlighted the entire page to see if you hid something in there.
Since I am at work and you wasted 5 minutes of my time I will be sending you a bill at my current rate. I expect the 15$ to be paid in full and on time.
Thank You
Riggs
I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees |
Muul Udonii
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 06:55:00 -
[357] - Quote
Interesting (sarcasm).
So either:
A) The expansion due out in 2 months will not contain further itertations World of Eveness and Macrotransactions, and you are lying that direction has just now been refocussed.
OR
B) The expansion due out in 2 months contain very little as you have just thrown away all the work put in so far to refocus on what the player base told you to refocus on 2 years ago.
OR
C) There is no refocus, the expansion due out in 2 months is further iterations to World of Eveness and Macrotransactions, other cosmetic changes that should have been done half a decade ago, and what is really happening is the end of the '18 months of no Eve Dev' we were told about 16 months ago.
Either way, I call bullshit. I've yet to see this 'exciting' dev blog you were going on about earlier this week, is that going to come out later today? |
DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Void Wraiths
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:18:00 -
[358] - Quote
-puts down torch and pitchfork- I'll be patient... but if the ships don't get some lovin Imma put a pitchfork on my pitchfork so I can fork while I fork you with it. |
ChromeStriker
7
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:20:00 -
[359] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Begun, the Feature War has.
:awesome: flashiness and exploding planets.
Out of contex quote!!!!
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Nulla Curas |
Solstice Project
Freedom Inc.
4
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:26:00 -
[360] - Quote
Haters gonna hate.
Btw, suicide is definitly the most cowardly act one man can make.
But asking somebody to commit suicide, over the internet ...
... is even more cowardly.
*shakeshead*
sheep.
Also, plenty of information in that short message from Zulu!
Looking forward to what's coming up in the future !
Keep it up, CCP ! :D
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Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:32:00 -
[361] - Quote
What a bad devblog, if anything this is one of the worst ever dev blogs ever.
And to the CSM , lol at bitching you didnt receive any information, for me CSM would have been scrapped because it doesnt serve its purpose. |
Gridreign741
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:48:00 -
[362] - Quote
Zulu, good man, willing to stick your neck out with precious little armour, I take it you're happy that the bulk of Incarna work is complete and CCP are cautiously ready to move on to -other- ?
If -other- is undecided may I suggest you force the player base to chose, force us to take a survey/poll similar to character customization, a pop-up when players log in, not a poll on the forums, in game that cannot be skipped after a week (to save players getting stuck with it when trying to log in for ops)
it will show the players their collective wishes in direction rather than the back and forth between CCP and the community of recent times. Don't make it a half hour borefest of a survey, make it an easy 3-click poll, e.g.
would you like:
a) new ships
b) fixes
c) new features
then the following week, publish the results and ask a new easy poll, dumb it down, make it easy to hear what the players are saying as a whole rather than the cacophony after every CCP post, then at the end of the day it is what the players want, nullsec PvPers will have to put up with the wishes of highsec economists, pirates will have to put up with the wishes of miners, let the playerbase thrash it out please. |
Floydd Heywood
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 07:52:00 -
[363] - Quote
The blog makes me optimistic.
However, I'm wondering why it was released, instead of waiting another week or two and then release a dev blog that contains the specifics this blog only promises. Why put yourself in this position where everyone can and will say that it's just empty words again?
I can think of one rather unsettling reason: Activity and subscriptions are in free fall and the blog is intended to change the mood and stop or at least slow the decline until you're ready to announce the real stuff. After all, world markets work in this fashion, psychology.
Be that as it may, the blog clearly indicates that the 'refocussing' will change direction along the lines of the well-received previous blog by Torfi, and that can't be bad. And if the CSM was not involved in this blog, shouldn't that indicate that what was previously communicated to the CSM still holds? I mean, there isn't much in this blog that the CSM could disagree with, since there really isn't anything specific... |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
53
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:04:00 -
[364] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Btw, suicide is definitly the most cowardly act one man can make.
But asking somebody to commit suicide, over the internet ...
... is even more cowardly.
*shakeshead*
sheep.
not only do you fail at reading comprehension (there is this thing called "context"), you also feel the need to besmirch the memorial of a decorated serviceman and fellow EVE player.
What have you done that puts you into a position to judge the dead?
wish there was a way to negrep... |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
47
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:11:00 -
[365] - Quote
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Grimpak wrote::actions: not :words: These aren't even :words:...
ok let me correct this:
:actions: not :hotair:
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
Masters of Flying Objects
29
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:15:00 -
[366] - Quote
Good job now bring on the meat. give us something to bug report like the font.
The sooner it gets on Sisi the better or lay out what is holding up some of the features we the players want. Like that the Carbon OI needs to be bug free before you can add stuff on top of it.
Allot of the info that is put on the forums is not getting out to the main stream players. Hope we get a new build on sisi today so bittervets have something to do this weekend |
Solstice Project
Freedom Inc.
4
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:22:00 -
[367] - Quote
The one who kills himself is running away,
independent of what he accomplished in his life.
There's no bismerch about his life,
only complain about his "chosen" way of ending it. |
Katrina Bekers
Fighters Squadron
10
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:25:00 -
[368] - Quote
This is what I got from translate.google.com setting languages "biztalk" and "english":
"Yes, we miscommunicated when we made vague, unreasonbale announcements with a set deadline, before consulting the CSM.
Now, let me introduce you vague, unreasonable announcements WITHOUT a set deadline, before consulting the CSM."
I hoped for a learned lesson.
I got this.
Uhm, ok.
You know what's CCP's worst problem? That the playerbase loves this game just too much. They built an hardcore game, and now they have to cope with hardcore gamers. They wish they could face more casual gamers. But they can't.
~~ I pity that poor floating statue in Jita. ~~
{{ Inject code here }} |
Solstice Project
Freedom Inc.
4
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:30:00 -
[369] - Quote
Katrina Bekers wrote:
You know what's CCP's worst problem? That the playerbase loves this game just too much. They built an hardcore game, and now they have to cope with hardcore gamers. They wish they could face more casual gamers. But they can't.
~~ I pity that poor floating statue in Jita. ~~
<3 |
Teirna
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:30:00 -
[370] - Quote
Really hope you guys (CCP) go for it
Lots of us vet MMO players have watched the market both saturate with cookie cutter games and become watered down with bland safe game play or blatant profiteering.
For a lot of us you guys are our only hope.
CCP always had something special, always felt like they were one of us, not one of them. Please show you've still got it!
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Xue Slick
The Damned Legion
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:32:00 -
[371] - Quote
Nice Dev blog... tells us a whole lot of nothing :S
Give us a proper dev blog asap... |
Mallikanth
Awakened Brotherhood
The Brotherhood Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:47:00 -
[372] - Quote
After everything that just happened even vague promises like this must have been foreseen as a bad move?
Obviously not, but I'm amazed these blogs weren't run past the CSM after recent events and I hope CCP are not surprised at the player reaction to this *as*good*as*blank*page "Dev blog".
Me continues to be disappoint.
I have no decent Signature because..
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=24223#post24223 |
Phil MacMannon
Fantastic Gymnastics
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:47:00 -
[373] - Quote
For me, it's simple. Make the world believable again.
It always made sense to me, a consistent, persistent world with cast iron rules that were never broken. The result of never breaking those unbreakable laws meant that we BELIEVED in the world of EVE far more than any other virtual world.
The very serious business of internet spaceships is just that, serious business. That is the bed you have made for us all, you cannot unmake it because as soon you attempt to do that it becomes something else, and that something else is not EVE.
EVE. IS. SERIOUS. BUSINESS.
That fact is unmoveable, unshakeable, the very core of why *most* of us are here. Any decision that you make in changing this world has to obey that first simple principle.
For me, most of the recent changes have broken those unbreakable rules and changed the world into something that i do not believe in, it does not feel like serious business anymore.
It has been said many times before but i will go over it again:
1. Put the standings tab back, people worked their guts out to showcase their standings and it is an invaluable intel tool, put it back.
2. Remove the NEX. Integrate the clothing items into the normal market interface only.
a. Clothing that makes sense in the EVE world. Bland and mindless goggles have nothing to do with EVE lore. If you had many types of googles and some were "amarr slave trader" goggles or something that actually looked like they might be "amarr slave trader" goggles than i would believe in it a lot more.
b. Make the clothing createable by players ONLY. Having them appear out of THIN AIR breaks all the rules, you know, those unbreakable ones. Unbreakable rules that have a rather important job, they are the rules that are responsible for ensuring you remain immersed in the world of EVE, to make it BELEIVEABLE.
c. Massive amounts of clothing, including reducing the prices of the most basic clothes by about 99% from what they are currently at. There is no reason you cannot have basic "amarrian slave rags" that cost next to nothing and can be designed in an hour by a graphics artist.
d. INDESTRUCTIBLE CLOTHING? REALLY?. The single worst decision in EVE history in my opinion. For me, the things i have in EVE are important only because they are fragile and if i do not take of them they can be lost. Those are the rules of EVE, break them at your peril.
On top of all of that there is still a lingering sense of betrayal by CCP. You can most certainly class me as a "bitter vet" but i do not think that i am alone in this feeling.
The damage that has been done is massive, and even if all of those things were changed tomorrow i still would struggle to believe in CCP like i used too.
I was playing 12 hours a day, almost every day, on and off, since 2004. (Yes i know, pathetic, but it is what it is). Now i play 15mins a day, mostly less. I have ten accounts paid up until january, i am currently planning to reduce those down to three.
I have been the most dedicated eve player you can imagine, it has been my life, for better or for worse. For me to step away like this, the most dedicated of them all, surely you have to see that something is desperately wrong with your game for this to have happened. |
The Snowman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:51:00 -
[374] - Quote
As someone who has been looking forward to WiS for 5 years.... and actually likes the direction Eve is going, this Dev Blog has me worried.
Another thing that concerns me is that, this dev blog is basically saying that they have crumbled to the pressure of the CSM and the pressure of what feedback there is on the forums.
I mean, the CSM and the few disgruntled forum posters do not represent anywhere near a large majority of the customer base. I'd says that 90% of players never post on the forums, never vote for CSM and certainly dont care for giving feedback, filing bug reports or anything like that.
Seems to me a few people have made a loud noise and CCP dont have the balls or determination to continue with their objective. Which to me, is worse that making a sucky expansion.
Everyone now knows that if they are slightly displeased with something, all they have to do is get a few people together, make some stink.. and things get changed.
Setting a very bad precedent here. |
Stilyan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:56:00 -
[375] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:
We are listening to you, we have heard you, and plans are already in motion.
Hell, it's about time -¼_-¼
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Begun, the Feature War has.
Stuff like POS's, the user interface, mining and manufacturing, Sov, and a host of other annoyances that plague the current community.
PS to Zulu: "This is not the blog we're looking for."
THIS is soooo manly, wub you Trebor ! wink wink
CCP Zulu wrote:
Watch this space.
Is this the same as "HEY GUYS WATCH THAT" just before some guy faceplant in front of his mates ?
Curious to know 
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Stilyan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 08:59:00 -
[376] - Quote
The Snowman wrote:As someone who has been looking forward to WiS for 5 years.... and actually likes the direction Eve is going, this Dev Blog has me worried.
Another thing that concerns me is that, this dev blog is basically saying that they have crumbled to the pressure of the CSM and the pressure of what feedback there is on the forums.
I mean, the CSM and the few disgruntled forum posters do not represent anywhere near a large majority of the customer base. I'd says that 90% of players never post on the forums, never vote for CSM and certainly dont care for giving feedback, filing bug reports or anything like that.
Seems to me a few people have made a loud noise and CCP dont have the balls or determination to continue with their objective. Which to me, is worse that making a sucky expansion.
Everyone now knows that if they are slightly displeased with something, all they have to do is get a few people together, make some stink.. and things get changed.
Setting a very bad precedent here.
1/10 because it's well-written |
Raneru
Combat and Recon
The Last Chancers.
3
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:06:00 -
[377] - Quote
CCP, you may hate all the noise the customers generated, but in the long term I think you'll thank them 
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SwissChris1
Battlestars
S E D I T I O N
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:10:00 -
[378] - Quote
Thanks CCP, sounds good :)
I don't know why you guys lost your marbles over the last few months (it's been a rough summer) but I am glad to see you are back on track!
+1 |
El 1974
Bendebeukers
Green Rhino
6
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:13:00 -
[379] - Quote
Anouncing a change of course like this means they recognize that they have made poor choices in the past. Recognizing mistakes is a major step on the road to wisdom. And it's something that takes courage. For that I must applaud.
Now I just would like to know what they think they have learnt from it.
The road ahead contains some difficult choices. I have no idea what should happen with Incarna now. Some people have been looking forward to it. But its development seems to take up too much resources. Will it be just another half-finished expansion?
And what about the integration with Dust? It could lead to an interesting expansion of Eve gameplay as well. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
308
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:20:00 -
[380] - Quote
OMG THE HYPE!
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AMirrorDarkly
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:26:00 -
[381] - Quote
I feel for you CCP. However you were clearly screwed the second you mentioned having a dev blog coming out.
Post up information that turns out to be false your in trouble.
Post up a blog that says great news we are working on it, no one believes you.
Better not to have put the expectation out there at all then either of these options, no?
On the other hand, I choose to give you the benefit of the doubt. (I am unsure why, but there we are  )
I will give some feed back for you.
I've tried to become involved in as many facete's of EVE as I can, and I have been part of all the communities here is what I hear. (bare in mind its only a small chunk of what there is to hear though)
Null Sec community, they want it fixed, SOV/POS warfare that works, and by works no one really knows how it should work, they just know this isn't it.
The Null Sec community that isn't the massive power blocs would like Supers to be reduced in capabilities and make it so that holding Sov is open to more people not just alliances with the biggest bank roll or the most shiny ships.
Fix the damn lag already, more fights are determined by lag then tatics, this is bad. Also why rely on people fill out forms for when a battle is expected? You have the sov timers you know when and where most big fights are likely to take place, put in re-enforced nodes in anticipation. Yes if a genuine fleet fight is expected off of timer I get it, but not otherwise.
The High-sec community would like more features and more opportunities then running Lvl 4's in boredom, and more paths to choose, be it via more content, a diferent direction entirely or more profit. A lot more of this community are soloer's so maybe somethings that can be done alone, but are better as a team would be good.
Also fix mining but be careful how you do it, it is long overdue, mining profession may as well not exist, however the market is fragile ships can't really be much more expensive then they already are.
This aside, the learning curve to bring in new players was huge, I tried to get a friend into EVE, he struggled even with my support, you are relying on your customer base to bring in more customers, fine, better make good word of mouth priority one then huh. Maybe you need to have live GM's running lvl 1 missioning fleets, get players involved in team play early on and sink some resources into helping the new guy.
Low-Sec dwellers want to be involved in PVP I'm sure most would like to be in Null-Sec but the current mechanic prohibit this so they stay in low-sec and get by how they can. Other Low-sec citizens are there for the ISK/POS construction etc.
Lvl 5's fine, but considering that generally these are run in fleets you need to distribute rewards to everyone in the fleet not just the person who took the mission and if you want more of these run the rewards need to be increased as the risk is too high for what you get.
From Pirates point of view, make more low-sec useful so that more prey come into the area.
Covert Ops, they need some love, this is a great gurellia warfare feature to allow smaller groups to tangle with large fleets without being squashed by the blob, but the black ops is useless in it's current form, I understand you have angled as a non-combat ship, that's cool, make it able to warp cloaked, increase it's range slightly, so that it can make a jump between two region gate distances and lessen the portalling fuel requirements by a factor of 10. Or alternatively actually make them useful in combat. Or make them cheaper (rather not this option).
Local provides a huge intel bonuses, delaying local in Null sec even so it updates once every 5 mins unpredictably on a cycle will provide interesting mechanics and mean many more fleet engagements occur and at least force better scouting from fleets.
Just a few ideas, we all beg you to follow through on your word this time CCP.  |
mkint
39
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:28:00 -
[382] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:The one who kills himself is running away,
independent of what he accomplished in his life.
There's no bismerch about his life,
only complain about his "chosen" way of ending it.
Gawd I hope I don't die of old age (or age related disease.) What gives you the right to judge ANYONE's character without knowing their story? I don't know the dude that's being referenced, but maybe that was the right decision for him. You calling him a coward makes it sound like it was a decision you envy, but are too big a coward to make for yourself.
In any case, attempting to create a meme about suicide is pretty tasteless, but nobody ever accused Goons of having souls.
And to be on-topic... still "watching this space." |
Xerxes Ceasar
Lone Gunmen
2
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:37:00 -
[383] - Quote
"Watch this space." is the new "SoonGäó" |
Sessym
Superstructure Exposure Service
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:50:00 -
[384] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Begun, the Feature War has.
Make your voice heard. This threadnaught can be the ultimate power in the EVE universe. I suggest you use it.
You sure this was a good idea? You made me rant. Again.
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Mr Truc
1 Liberte 2 Egalite 3 Fraternite 4 Sexualite
Factions Francophones Unies
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:59:00 -
[385] - Quote
Hi, as many said on thoose posts, this could be a great idea to fix some problems which are existing for a while now.
But i want to take your attention on the french spoken community. i know you CCP think we are too few players to translate the game, but in fact, if the game is not translated then no more frenchies will come.
Not making the game available in different languages is a disrespect, even smaller MMO's had their missions or else translated in all languages of all communities playing the game.
Regards.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
23
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Posted - 2011.09.23 09:59:00 -
[386] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:...the CSM has yet to hear the substance too, but be assured the requests and recommendations made are in line with what I'm reading here so far.
This is why MMO's need a healthy number of women .. they are just much better at nagging!
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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
200
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Posted - 2011.09.23 10:16:00 -
[387] - Quote
To people who are angry about lack of "meat" in this devblog, let me just say a few things.
As a player, I want to know what's being worked on, and not just a "it's going to be ok" kind of statement (like I trust CCP to do things right ).
As a member of the CSM, I want to know what's going to be worked on as soon as it is talked about so I can give feedback before considerable effort is spent on something that's not going to solve our issues.
Those two things are what I'm unsatisfied about in this blog.
However, that being said...
CCP has had several problems in the past, the most notable of which has been a severe issue with direction of development. Planetary Interactions? InCarna? Both decent ideas too many resources have been put into without any satisfying roadmap or expectation of positive result. It's been mostly wishful thinking and the product of what we refer to as "team awesome".
CCP is currently taking a big step back from the crap and forward in the right direction. Following the forum rage, the dismal reception of incarna, the subscriber loss, they're effectively saying "let's refocus on what our customer want". That's quite big, and I can't fault CCP for taking a bit of time to figure out exactly in which direction that step should be taken. Which leads me to the 2nd point.
Having seen the way plans are made, I know CCP usually plans for more things that eventually make it to the release. Some of it is bad evaluation of resources needed to complete a task, some of it is the result of too high standards (lol art department), some of it makes sense as you want to overplan so if something goes faster than expected, you know what to spend your resources on.
Historically, whenever CCP has published a plan, instead of taking things with a grain of salt and being happy for the part that eventually made it in, people have reacted negatively to the things that *didn't* make it in. In that sense CCP Zulu's stance to underpromise and overdeliver makes a lot of sense.
The scope of the change is really huge, he said it, I say it. And CCP better be darn sure that what they're telling us is coming will actually be delivered (*wink* *wink*). If anything, this blog ensures that the next ones, the ones with the meat, have to show something we care about, because if it doesn't not only will we be facepalming at the content, we'll be raging at CCP's inability to comprehend what it is we want, despite the amount of feedback provided on the forums and through the CSM. So I'll be repeating what I said in the other thread. If they have to take 2 more weeks to figure out how to do things right, they should do just that, because at this stage promising something and failing to deliver it would be the worst move for this game.
We have another meeting with Zulu today, and what I'll be saying in essence is this:
- don't bring us shiny worthless **** that won't fix anything
- if you want to introduce new shiny, do it in a way that fixes existing problems (new shiny modular POSes, engaging sov mechanics, bounty/sec system revamp, use lowsec improvements to fix the "Crimewatch" system, etc.)
So, is this blog a missed opportunity for positive announcement, yes.
Do we need more information than vague statements, absolutely.
Is CCP's changing direction to go towards what we want a bad thing? Hell no!
That change is happening, we'll just focus on making sure it happens in the right direction.
Rage about the right things.
Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Royaldo
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
3
|
Posted - 2011.09.23 10:26:00 -
[388] - Quote
20 pages to this dev blog? |
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.09.23 10:27:00 -
[389] - Quote
someone tl;dr that |
CrossedSwords
The Unreliables
1
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Posted - 2011.09.24 10:20:00 -
[390] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Update: The CSM has posted a statement regarding CCP's refocusing. We encourage you to read it. Begun, the Feature War has.CCP's announcement that EVE development will be refocused, is, of course, reason for celebration. But don't get cocky, bittervet. This is not victory, it's just the opening shot in the war -- the Feature War. The real battle in the Feature War will be fought over how the ammo -- the newly available development resources made available by this "refocusing" -- will be used. Right now in a sinister conference room, arguments are being made that it should be spent on :awesome: flashiness and exploding planets. Meanwhile, a plucky band of rebel developers champions a radical proposition -- that development should be refocused on fixing existing problems in the game. Stuff like POS's, the user interface, mining and manufacturing, Sov, and a host of other annoyances that plague the current community. The Feature War is raging now... the decisions will be made soon... and your voice in this thread provides ammo to one side or the other. Make your voice heard. This threadnaught can be the ultimate power in the EVE universe. I suggest you use it. Victory? Victory you say? Master Bittervet, not victory. The shroud of the :awesome: side has fallen. Begun the Feature War has.PS to Zulu: " This is not the blog we're looking for."
id do anything for exploding planets
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Potensa Aquiana
All Your Trit Are Belongs To Us
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 10:24:00 -
[391] - Quote
id just have to say even with all the "rabble"(polite way of saying bitching) going on they have still been quite friendly in most cases note they havent called the pilots of eve "stupid hate mongering idiots" or anything of that nature.....yet!! ;) |
Krall Hoar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2
|
Posted - 2011.09.24 10:29:00 -
[392] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:To people who are angry about lack of "meat" in this devblog, let me just say a few things. As a player, I want to know what's being worked on, and not just a "it's going to be ok" kind of statement (like I trust CCP to do things right ). As a member of the CSM, I want to know what's going to be worked on as soon as it is talked about so I can give feedback before considerable effort is spent on something that's not going to solve our issues. Those two things are what I'm unsatisfied about in this blog. However, that being said... CCP has had several problems in the past, the most notable of which has been a severe issue with direction of development. Planetary Interactions? InCarna? Both decent ideas too many resources have been put into without any satisfying roadmap or expectation of positive result. It's been mostly wishful thinking and the product of what we refer to as "team awesome". CCP is currently taking a big step back from the crap and forward in the right direction. Following the forum rage, the dismal reception of incarna, the subscriber loss, they're effectively saying "let's refocus on what our customer want". That's quite big, and I can't fault CCP for taking a bit of time to figure out exactly in which direction that step should be taken. Which leads me to the 2nd point. Having seen the way plans are made, I know CCP usually plans for more things that eventually make it to the release. Some of it is bad evaluation of resources needed to complete a task, some of it is the result of too high standards (lol art department), some of it makes sense as you want to overplan so if something goes faster than expected, you know what to spend your resources on. Historically, whenever CCP has published a plan, instead of taking things with a grain of salt and being happy for the part that eventually made it in, people have reacted negatively to the things that *didn't* make it in. In that sense CCP Zulu's stance to underpromise and overdeliver makes a lot of sense. The scope of the change is really huge, he said it, I say it. And CCP better be darn sure that what they're telling us is coming will actually be delivered (*wink* *wink*). If anything, this blog ensures that the next ones, the ones with the meat, have to show something we care about, because if it doesn't not only will we be facepalming at the content, we'll be raging at CCP's inability to comprehend what it is we want, despite the amount of feedback provided on the forums and through the CSM. So I'll be repeating what I said in the other thread. If they have to take 2 more weeks to figure out how to do things right, they should do just that, because at this stage promising something and failing to deliver it would be the worst move for this game. We have another meeting with Zulu today, and what I'll be saying in essence is this: - don't bring us shiny worthless **** that won't fix anything - if you want to introduce new shiny, do it in a way that fixes existing problems (new shiny modular POSes, engaging sov mechanics, bounty/sec system revamp, use lowsec improvements to fix the "Crimewatch" system, etc.) So, is this blog a missed opportunity for positive announcement, yes. Do we need more information than vague statements, absolutely. Is CCP's changing direction to go towards what we want a bad thing? Hell no! That change is happening, we'll just focus on making sure it happens in the right direction. Rage about the right things.
Well spoken, absolutely true, totally agree!
You got my voice on next election.
+ I read something about space enlargement, wow best idea I ever heared, would bring us back some of the feeling in 2003-2006. Space is to crowded these days |
black cree
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 10:44:00 -
[393] - Quote
Wait and see.
We are put in a position of weakness where we are the one expecting when the magical anticrap patch will be deployed.
If his claims are genuine, will he have enough ressources allocated by the very responsible of this mess?
If ressources are allocated, how long until the patch is deployed? Soon tm again?
I canceled accounts and stop paying with real money.
October is near and it is interesting financial times indeed.
Now this blog, sorry i pay for features, not promises.
Only when the patch is deployed AND is not crippled by bugs I will pay 3 accounts with real money.
If enough people do the same it will multiply the pressure.
Hurry up the clock is ticking but the pressure is not on my side. |
Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
38
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:03:00 -
[394] - Quote
black cree wrote:We are put in a position of weakness where we are the one expecting when the magical anticrap patch will be deployed.
I disagree; the EVE community is in a position of strength.
I say this because if CCP fails to convince the community, then we know where the unsub button is. Mittens called it a blunt instrument, and that it is, but that blunt instrument wields the ultimate authority here. |
Wolff Larsen
GNADE Inc.
Bruderschaft der Pilger
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:39:00 -
[395] - Quote
CCP, just remember that all the negative talk will vanish if and when you deliver what you vaguely promised. Just look at the reactions to the recent "fixing some things and moving forward" blog.So don't be sad because so many people don't trust your words right now, but rather just do the work and then reap the earned praise |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
7
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:46:00 -
[396] - Quote
We the community are doing a great job of trying to change CCP. Here is a newsletter to help keep our spirits up and keep us on track.
We live in interesting times; in fact we are the kind of subscribers that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this past summer. First off we have Incarna, an egregious technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago turned to piffle that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolled out without content, and in some cases crappier than what CCP had before, this is the pinnacle of professional balderdash. For all the trolling and whining in the forums we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the trolling and whining quality one can apply to mmorpg companies with the beautiful Incarna riots but we have also defined what it really means to bring virtual reality creators to their knees .
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few months ago we stopped the gold scorpion and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as subscribers by redefining assumptions. After one summer we have canceled tens of thousands of accounts, generating more fear and stained underwear than any of the other riots/threadnaughts in EVE.
This we have done after months of canceling accounts by a group of highly angry subscribers. We have communicated our intention here, failheap, IRC and other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this since EverQuest, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what they say. Breaking through to rancid ram ball munching drug addicted alcoholics takes time and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on trolling and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through trolling and canceling accounts.
All that said, I couldn+óGé¼Gäót be prouder of what we have accomplished as a community, changing CCP is hard and we are doing it! Stay the course, we have done this many times before. |
Officer Spawn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.09.24 12:36:00 -
[397] - Quote
Quote: The result of this is a refocusing and reprioritization on a scale unheard of within our company.
This is a statement that is almost certainly a lie, the amount of resources you are reallocating to back spaceships cannot be larger then the amount you allocated away from it or brought in to work purely on non-FiS stuff.
In your infamous 18 months blog the totals were as follows:
FiS: 22 developers
Incarna: 70 developers
DUST: 7 developers
EVE Gate: 10 developers
Misc.: 15 developers of which I'll consider 10 to be working on FiS
So that comes to 32 FiS/ 92 non-FiS or 26%/74%
I look forward to the next overview with hard numbers where more then 74% of developers are working on FiS in which case I'll gracefully apologize for calling your statement a lie.
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
53
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Posted - 2011.09.24 13:30:00 -
[398] - Quote
there is an expression taht suits this situation
'shite or get off the pot'
so do somthing other than talk, or **** off
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.09.24 13:39:00 -
[399] - Quote
Zulu, reading over your posts over the years, I have to ask a quick question about the interview you took to get this job:
Did you swallow?
(As for those praising him, I'd ask the same question but the answer is obvious.) |
Hakuja
White Snake Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:09:00 -
[400] - Quote
Watch this space.
Btw, if "rabble brigade" means "players who don't want to see EVE ruined", I'm proud of being part of it. |
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Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:30:00 -
[401] - Quote
I'm so happy to know that we've been classed as a "rabble brigade" - if you'd like us to **** off, just say so and we can stop wasting time with this boneheaded excuse of a company. As for this devblog, to paraphrase your own CEO...
Quote:I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what it says. |
Darth Sith
Genbuku.
Nulli Secunda
3
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:33:00 -
[402] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
Who ever taught this guy PR .. FAIL!
Seriously, this guy screws up time after time and has the social skills of a cockroach. Why does he still have his job?
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Darth Sith
Genbuku.
Nulli Secunda
3
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:36:00 -
[403] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:CCP Zulu does not need me having his back but I thought I would like to chime in on behalf of Community. We know how passionate you all are about EVE and I promise that we are working towards delivering top notch FiS content over the coming months. Spaceships are all the rage right now, seriously, watch this space. Fake edit - No, this is not the next '18 months' but a promise to you that we are going to deliver cool stuff
OK, in one post, Navigator has said more, and shown more respect to the community then has oozed from Zulu since I can remember.
I vote that Navigator get Zulu's job.... In an instant, CCP would gain a lot of credibility back in my eyes.
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
53
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Posted - 2011.09.24 15:19:00 -
[404] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
you should try saying that then. your blog was poor and tbqh thats giving it too much credit.
what ever you plan to do next, please do not do a half arsed rush job like teh last 2 years worth of crap you have pumped out.
i have 7 accounts and i reserve the the right to call you out on delivering shite while they are still active.
rabble rabble
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Dodgy Past
Digital Fury Corporation
Northern Coalition.
4
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Posted - 2011.09.24 16:46:00 -
[405] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
So we can take this as a commitment that there will be more people working on FiS than worked on Apocrypha, otherwise the so called rabble brigade would have some justification in their opinions and you wouldn't have the gumption to follow up lying to them with an insult. |
xxxak
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Secunda
9
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:00:00 -
[406] - Quote
Captain Hindsite wrote:CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus. So you're basically just a man-child, is that it? Grow up. Do your job. And take a class in customer service, ffs. Here's a hint - being a douche to your customers is counter-productive. Plain-speaking is what is required at this point in time. Not your childish attempts at being an internet coolguy.
Also, this. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:06:00 -
[407] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
Where's the beef?
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Bilboz
Hetzer-Leopard Ltd
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:51:00 -
[408] - Quote
None of it matters much or deals with the major complaints we have had.As for a new focus from CCP? Excuse me while i step around that new pile of bullcookies. When i see new t3 ships and see the aur system along will all the space babrie clothing removed then i will believe that CCP has gotten back to business.Otherwise this is all nothing but CCP trying to figure out how they are going to inject the rest of the crap into the game without losing another 30% if its player base before christmass. |
Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:54:00 -
[409] - Quote
I for one am pretty pleased with the devblog
Yes there are no definitive plans or announcements made and its sparse in detail, but for me that's not as important as the overall change of tone and fact that CCP is saying they are listening to feedback and are refocusing their efforts to try and give us what we want. That surely has to be a good thing.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:55:00 -
[410] - Quote
Rabble brigade checkin in. |
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Hratli Smirks
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:17:00 -
[411] - Quote
sup rabble buddy |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:38:00 -
[412] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus. Excellent PR and communication skills. Congrats.
CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
11
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:47:00 -
[413] - Quote
Rabble rabble rabble.
Rabble rabble?
RABBLE! |
oematoema
The Muppet Show
20
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:47:00 -
[414] - Quote
Mag's wrote:CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus. Excellent PR and communication skills. Congrats.
[Signature]
Statement on behalf of CCP from Arnar Hrafn Gylfason, Senior Producer for EVE Online.
Good communication and trust between CCP and the EVE community has always been a fundamental priority for CCP and will continue to be so. |
Narawen Blake
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:50:00 -
[415] - Quote
Err; day I'm Rabblin'! |
Bahn Sidhe
Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate
H E L I C O N
1
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Posted - 2011.09.24 20:07:00 -
[416] - Quote
I am hopeful that CCP will get things straight. They SHOULD continue with the plans for Incarna but put at least 75% of resources into improving and correcting existing game play. less big new shiny and improvements on existing content. |
Darirol
Cold Steel Evolution
Against ALL Authorities
3
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Posted - 2011.09.24 20:28:00 -
[417] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:...I promise....
... a promise...
you guys should consider to not use this word the next few month/years.
that is just like when a new mmo comes out and everyone who plays the beta says "it has potential". if someone says a new mmo has potential that usually means the idea behind this game sounds nice but atm its a unfinished, buged piece software and will fail if it is released in this state.
if ccp say something that is somehow linked with the word "promise", that can usually translated in to "blablabla". |
Six Strangelove
FinFleet
Raiden.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.24 20:46:00 -
[418] - Quote
EVE has some of the most cynical, scheming and suspicious players in all of gamerdom.
EVE - and occasionally CCP - made them that way. (or certainly helped, in any event)
And yet it appears CCP is continually surprised by the biteback from vague, buzzwordy and desperately optimistic announcements...
Look, everyone wants action over words, but words will always have to come first because that's just the nature of how things work. Why are you guys so naively bad at it?
CCP really needs to hire some PR people to help manage their messaging.
Perhaps those monocle sales can help pay for them? |
Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
2
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Posted - 2011.09.24 21:11:00 -
[419] - Quote
Hello,
since I'm still subscribed on account of foolishly long subscription choices, I'll take a liberty of coming here and letting you know my opinion:
I do not trust your words any more.
Convince me with your actions, or I'm out.
Thank you.
Fly far,
Smagd |
Susitna
The Tuskers
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 21:19:00 -
[420] - Quote
Just a suggestion for CCP Z. Please do not post or blog again until you have something to say with substance about what you are doing. I was expecting a lot more detail.
I would like you to spend resources primarily on fixing current FIS features and not on new exploding planets or flashy graphics. Balance (Hybrid guns), UE improvements, industry all need attention. Exploding planets sounds like you are thinking about DUST and not EVE.
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Crusa Alearf
Avon Cosmetics
1
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Posted - 2011.09.24 21:40:00 -
[421] - Quote
I'm very much of a believer in the idea that the forums are "the vocal minority and rabble brigade" but anyhow, just have to let this out.
CCP Zulu, even if you believe that there's too much rabble, you really shouldn't say anything like that to any customers... that's customer service 101.
Customer is always right, it's the companys job to find out what people really want statistically, then make an educated decision on how to deliver best value and then move forward with production and implementation.
Of course you need to communicate with the customers but please do so professionally (The customer community can't be expected to do that, because well... it's internet spaceships, everyone is an individual).
To finish off, I liked the blog and I still trust you CCP! Just remember the devil is in the small things like this thread. If any of my fellow capsuleers agree, please sound off! |
Maiquel Gallente
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 21:54:00 -
[422] - Quote
+1 |
EmanRetne
The Iceslave
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 22:40:00 -
[423] - Quote
"First off, ship spinning... ...you will simply be able to board and unboard your ship, toggling between CaptainGÇÿs Quarters and Ship Spinning mode"
+1 internet for you sir |
VolkenCDiskenth
Atlantide corp
Ares Protectiva
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 22:42:00 -
[424] - Quote
"Watch this space"
Talking about new procedural nebuale?
Would be cool
*Waits for fixes and t3 frigs* |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
1
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Posted - 2011.09.25 00:16:00 -
[425] - Quote
I haven't read the responses yet, I will when I get home, but I just wanted to stop by and say that this sounds pretty sweet. My excitement is tempered a bit by CCP's track record, and the lack of information as to what exactly these changes are and what they will mean for the future. However, if that dev blog is evidence of what is to come, then I'm very hopeful.
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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 00:54:00 -
[426] - Quote
I'm going with either A) DUST 514 going into Beta, or B) DUST 514 getting ganked. |
Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
41
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Posted - 2011.09.25 02:00:00 -
[427] - Quote
Six Strangelove wrote:CCP really needs to hire some PR people to help manage their messaging.
Perhaps those monocle sales can help pay for them?
+1 internet for you good sir |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
104
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Posted - 2011.09.25 02:18:00 -
[428] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
As much as I appreciate free advertisement (RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE ftw), I'm quite baffled you seriously an insult to the people who a) care about the game b) probably are longterm customers. Paying your salary means you get the right to insult me too? Why you don't spit on me too while you're at it.
Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
104
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Posted - 2011.09.25 02:31:00 -
[429] - Quote
Darth Sith wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:CCP Zulu does not need me having his back but I thought I would like to chime in on behalf of Community. We know how passionate you all are about EVE and I promise that we are working towards delivering top notch FiS content over the coming months. Spaceships are all the rage right now, seriously, watch this space. Fake edit - No, this is not the next '18 months' but a promise to you that we are going to deliver cool stuff OK, in one post, Navigator has said more, and shown more respect to the community then has oozed from Zulu since I can remember. I vote that Navigator get Zulu's job.... In an instant, CCP would gain a lot of credibility back in my eyes.
Yup.
It's irony he posted that after what I posted previously:
Misanth wrote:Hey Zulu, if you want to build up expectations, you should work for another company.
A brief blog that is supposed to leave the mouth watering only works for companies you trust, and big titles. Like, if Blizzard would've done this pre-Star Craft 2, Diablo 3, or we'd get our hopes up for another Deus Ex, etc. Unfortunately, CCP has wasted all player trust they once had, and all so-called mouth watering content you talk abut (like WiS, 2006) etc, just turns out to take you 5year+ to release and leave a bitter taste of something incomplete and far from cutting edge.
I love this game, but for the last five years I have consistently told you guys to hire a communications director. Someone that know how to communicate with players, press, and know how to release your vital information. You guys are horrible at this, and as good a game platform you have built, as bad are you with dialogue with your players.
Quite possible the worst blog you guys have released in years.
Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Imawuss
First Encounter Action Response Pilots
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 02:56:00 -
[430] - Quote
So we can expect the rest of the CQ's? Walking in stations? that smuggling mechanic you talked about giving purpose to walking in stations (i think they said they were doing that)? Oh plus the myriad of other things you should have done FIRST like Super cap balancing, Gallente/hybrid Balancing, work on 0.0, getting those new ship models in-game (you know from that create an eve ship event you apparently wasted all those artist times on) Theres more but there also lots of threads on it.
Incarna could have been a great expansion if you involved some of the major player concerns with it. But besides bug fixes (that you introduced) and a market API functionality what have you been doing for the last 4-6 months? |
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Alcolin
Hudson Walker Incorperated
3
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Posted - 2011.09.25 03:45:00 -
[431] - Quote
Like the NGE ... !
I hope you make some good choices CCP ... my sub expires in 9 days ... "I will be waiting to see what you DO and not what you SAY before i renew!"
But according to http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility EVE-Online is on a slippery slope and they keep slipping ... So much for $70 virtual items... 
EPIC |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
3
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Posted - 2011.09.25 04:13:00 -
[432] - Quote
Six Strangelove wrote:
CCP really needs to hire some PR people to help manage their messaging.
Perhaps those monocle sales can help pay for them?
There is more chance of CCP hiring some gaye fashion designer from a Paris fashion house, to seed the NEX store, than hire a pro PR person!
One of the "rabble brigade".
Rabble of the World UNITE! |
Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.09.25 05:05:00 -
[433] - Quote
Susitna wrote:Just a suggestion for CCP Z. Please do not post or blog again Fixed that for you...
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Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
12
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Posted - 2011.09.25 07:46:00 -
[434] - Quote
Smagd wrote:Hello,
since I'm still subscribed on account of foolishly long subscription choices, I'll take a liberty of coming here and letting you know my opinion:
I do not trust your words any more.
Convince me with your actions, or I'm out.
Thank you.
Fly far,
Smagd
"I do not trust your words any more."
It is far harder to restore a reputation, a trust relationship, than it is to build and maintain one.
Look here for the many issues which must be addressed:
"You no longer have the confidence of the community."
:rabble: |
Auric Aurumfinger
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.09.25 07:49:00 -
[435] - Quote
Quote:On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Jamie Lokier wrote:
>
> Well well. I think it's possible to over the best of user-space "fake"
> threads plus the advantages of "true" kernel threads in one blindingly
> fast combination, in less than 8kB per thread.
Talk is cheap. Show me the code.
Linus
You see, the thing is, since Apocrypha, this game has gone sideways, not forward. Show us code, don't even waste time posting blogs or even reading the forums. I would be disappointed at being read.
Focus on what matters. You guys seem to want to hug the world and it's just not clever. Remember the 20/80 rule: deliver 20% of the top requests players want and you have 80% of customers satisfied.
Go code, go!
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
12
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Posted - 2011.09.25 10:00:00 -
[436] - Quote
Show us your best, CCP. You damn well need to.
No Gods. No Kings. No Senators. No Directors. No Men. Only me.
Only me. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army
BricK sQuAD.
9
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Posted - 2011.09.25 11:02:00 -
[437] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
Oh that is really delicious, I dont think I have seen such a perfect example of the arrogance and hubris that has put CCP in the position they find themselves.
Your company is going down the tubes as your customer base is leaving in droves, you fail to address their concerns with yet another non blog and then proceed to insult them further in just one thread. Are you secretly working for Blizzard?
I do hope the CSM is taking you to task over comments like this to the community you dismiss as rabble(a folorn hope probably).
You may think that was kewl internet humour, yet I wonder if you will find it funny when the banks start forclosing on your mortgage and your asking people if they want fries with that burger? |
Calistai Huranu
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.09.25 11:18:00 -
[438] - Quote
Watching what CCP does, not what they say now. Winter need's to be better than good.
And how in the hell does Zulu still have a job? PR disaster after disaster, you'd think by now CCP would of at least barred him from ever posting on the forums. |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
42
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Posted - 2011.09.25 11:28:00 -
[439] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
rab-+ble 1 (rbl)
n.
1. A tumultuous crowd; a mob.
2. The lowest or coarsest class of people. Often used with the.
3. A group of persons regarded with contempt
It's generally not a good move to describe your customers with contempt; but no doubt you were looking to be ironic?
Personally I'm not affronted. I regard EVEs current development with a good degree of sadness and disappointment at the potential lost and how far CCP chose to move away from its fan base.
Perhaps you guys at CCP can recover but you should recognise that you face a near insurmountable challenge.
C.
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Chris Cochrane
The Knights Templar
Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 11:59:00 -
[440] - Quote
I find a lot of people including myself are bored with eve. This is due to the fact that some ships are stronger then others, or more to the point UNBALANCED.
An example:
My alliance like many others, have been forced to move to npc space, as the NC. and its buddies continue to drop 100's of super caps/titans every chance they get.
I believe that all the races in eve need to be rebalanced, a few good examples:
I find that gallente ewar is a joke (the long point is the only thing going for them)
The armor tanking races need a armor rep booster of some kind, as 1 capital shield booster fit with 2 amps fit properly can repair 50-100% more then 3 capital armor repairers on a armor tanked capital.
The dps from caldari sub caps do not compare with the other races, this should be fixed, possibly by either increasing overall damage, or returning the splash damage feature to them.
Blasters though an interesting and unique feature, need a option for longer optimal/falloffs as they cannot be used effectively in every day engagements, and the railguns need a better dps/ tracking comparable to the amarr.
Another change I would like to see is how sovereignty is taken. It would be very interesting if the only cap that could shoot Sov structures effectively, were dreads. At this point, dreads are sitting around collecting dust, due to the over powered supercarriers replacing them.
At this time it takes a sub cap fleet 2+ hours with 100 strong, to re-enforce/knock down 1 ihub, it takes 3-4 moms 10 mins to cut though sov structures, This is unacceptable.
Mothers ships on one hand need to be nerfed because the only counter at this point to a blob (30+) of moms would be another blob of moms, as sub cap fleets take forever to kill them.
On another hand, Moms are expensive and should play a crucial role in fleets, there ability to use projected ECM and immunity to ewar however, are the very reason they are considered overpowered.
Besides rebalancing, improving the interface by changing the local/corp/allaince/fleet/overview windows so they don't take up half the screen would be incredible, i find there are too many windows.
filtering the local chat windows so you can see only neuts/reds would be useful as well.
Changing the the corp roles checkmarks into BIG buttons that turn green/blue or red when clicked would be awesome, also simplifying the way roles work would be great.
Being able to assemble/anchor pos structures with more then 1 person to speed up the time would be awesome.
Its the little things that make or break people, if you want people to start logging in every day, playing the game and having fun, give them what they need. Give them ships that are strong no matter what race they fly, give them ships that are effective against regular ships & super caps. If you give them hope, they will play.
if not...people will stop paying...and eventually playing altogether. |
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Chris Cochrane
The Knights Templar
Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 12:03:00 -
[441] - Quote
Sorry to double post, i find the forums are VERY flaky atm, it took 4 tries to post this message, i think that's a bug that could be added to my list as well... |
CaldeteisX
Aurora Polaris
The Babylon Consortium
6
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Posted - 2011.09.25 12:30:00 -
[442] - Quote
believe it when I see it, been all talk for a long time. |
Mercy Crow
Black Legion Projects
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:26:00 -
[443] - Quote
3 Things comes to my mind when thinking about CCP publicly posted decisions of late, this without any company insight what so ever.
1. Fix What you got and improve on that, fixing bugs, adding new features, rebalancing, designs, performance, unbalance stuff.
(yes unbalancing stuff is a great tool used properly and moderately for revigorating gameplay)
2. Flashyness only works once after that its only decor. Granted most people prefer a good decor, but they will probably choose depth and content over decor any day of the week.
3. The PR and Economy departments are tools, same as Development and Quality Assurance, unbalance them at your own peril. |
Tommy Laughingface
Shoestring Operations
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 14:44:00 -
[444] - Quote
I don't understand why there are so many negative comments on this thread.
From the point of view of a carebear:
Personally I wanted more Walk in Station updates, sure, its only decor for now, but it will be part of our experience if it allows us to meet eachother in our 3D figures, that itself will be a good player motivation.
If they didn't put in their best effort to finish this part of the EVE Online, I'd call that half arsed and quit.
To me EVE world and space feels too dry harsh to keep staying unless you are a bunch of PvP barbarians.
Also, look at all the other MMO in the market, EVE online and CCP is the only one besides WoW that actually listens to the community, so stop beating them with a baseball bat. |
Chris Cochrane
The Knights Templar
Cascade Imminent
1
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Posted - 2011.09.25 15:13:00 -
[445] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:I don't understand why there are so many negative comments on this thread.
From the point of view of a carebear:
Personally I wanted more Walk in Station updates, sure, its only decor for now, but it will be part of our experience if it allows us to meet eachother in our 3D figures, that itself will be a good player motivation.
If they didn't put in their best effort to finish this part of the EVE Online, I'd call that half arsed and quit.
To me EVE world and space feels too dry harsh to keep staying unless you are a bunch of PvP barbarians.
Also, look at all the other MMO in the market, EVE online and CCP is the only one besides WoW that actually listens to the community, so stop beating them with a baseball bat.
The main reason people are giving CCP a bad rap, would be due to the reason that this thread did not mention what changes they were going to make.
Also some are a little upset that there forum posts regarding needed changes have gone unanswered by the devs, some might feel that CCP DEVs do not care what is posted in the forums, or what people think, so if you were wondering why the hostility, that is why. |
Eli Strange
Gravity Mining and Manufacturing Inc
The Company LLC
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 15:33:00 -
[446] - Quote
I love this game. Thank you for reaffirming my belief in CCP and EVE Online.
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Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.09.25 16:12:00 -
[447] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:I don't understand why there are so many negative comments on this thread.
You should go find a job with CCP then. |
Lars Erlkonig
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.09.25 16:36:00 -
[448] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:
Spaceships are all the rage right now, seriously, watch this space.
Call me unimpressed. Been watching this space and seen jack **** as far as information or any thing besides an attempt to build hype.
We have a dev blog that claims to be one of "The moments that define history" and it only refers to a previously published blog where CCP undoes a change that negatively affected game functionality and lets players know that they are thinking of changing the font that people have complained about as illegible for over 7 years. That isn't a definition of the history of EVE or the history of CCP as a company that I would want to highlight. Especially when players are displeased and have stopped playing.
I used to be able to log into my corporation and see more than 20 people in corp chat. I couldn't recall ever being the only person in corp chat. Now that routinely happens. I'm trying a few things in EVE that I hadn't before, like COSMOS, etc. that might rekindle my own interest to log into this game, but I keep hitting things that were left unfixed, broken, or unexciting.
I have found that if I take the graduation certificate missions to the end, the last mission will tell me to speak with an agent that doesn't even exist outside of the database dump. This agent followup has not been finished for 5 years apparently.
I have come across level 3 COSMOS missions that don't give a standings increase or a reward greater than a few thousand isk. Joy.
I get to see people in an NPC corp that put a rattlesnake in a high sec plex with their sentries 50 km out, and walk away to milk the ISK all day long as the enemy battleships keep respawning and providing them with Risk free $ all day long.
Speaking of which, the fact that people get 3 strikes before they are banned for running bots still leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. If you warn them once and they knowingly do so a second time, do they really deserve a third attempt? Is CCP really that willing to put the desire for $15/month that far ahead of the stability of the much vaunted player driven market?
When you say "Ships" are you planning on balancing motherships or black ops? finding ways to get people to fly them into low sec? making t3 frigates? looking at e-war frigs? looking at the 4th bonus for assault ships? making a ship for gas harvesting? or just trolling?
This game is dying the death of a thousand little cuts. Nothing is so horrible by itself that players can't ignore or brush it off. People are always willing to forgive a few minor things: we don't expect perfection, but we do expect to see improvement. However, as of late, there hasn't been much improvement and the little cuts have begun to drain away this game's vitality. Tell us what you are going to fix, stop rephrasing that trademark "Big things are happening Soon," and maybe people might want to play. |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
55
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Posted - 2011.09.25 16:45:00 -
[449] - Quote
HaydenJD wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:well im feeling good about eve now. logged into steam got 3 games for less than the price of most nex crap and ill go play them for a month or so.
when you remeber to fix your game, drop us an email pls. will save me the time logging in and checking You will not have any space left when you log back in
lol blar blar npc is where its at. beats being a pet now dosnt it?
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Keata Ren
Universal Discovery
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 17:00:00 -
[450] - Quote
Dear CCP,
Please include a dev blog in your next dev blog. |
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Kormara
Dreams Unlimited
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:06:00 -
[451] - Quote
Quote:...this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and not what they say
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Kormara
Dreams Unlimited
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:13:00 -
[452] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
Hey moron, the "rabble brigade" keep you employed.
Prove that you actually know where the undock button is.
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Lirael Dyrim
In Bacon We Trust
2
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:34:00 -
[453] - Quote
I'm gonna side with my cynicism on this and believe it when I see it. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
114
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:35:00 -
[454] - Quote
Hey Zulu, I been watching this space for days. Am I missing something?
Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Zarnak Wulf
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:40:00 -
[455] - Quote
Meh. CCP took out massive loans to build WoD and Dust. They probably made delivery promises to go along with those loans. It's not as simple as snapping your fingers and moving devs back to where we all want them. They probably have to negotiate later delivery times and possible financial incentives with their investors. There are many reasons why they may not be ready to 'go public'. Legal departments have a great way of slowing everything up.
Anyone who's had to work in a customer service business realizes that when a customer walks in and you can't get to them right then and there - at the very least you should make eye contact, acknowledge their presence, and promise to be right with them. That's customer service 101 and that's all this dev blog was. It's the anger and resentment that goes along with 18 months of neglect that make it insufficient. 
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Reten Kip
Everset Dropbears
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 18:53:00 -
[456] - Quote
More empty promises in flashy dev blogs. CCP has to get cracking on some actions fast or it's going to be too little, too late. Stop talking and do it. I don't think you will. |
Sethose Olderon
Gryphon Chancellery
Gryphon League
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 19:51:00 -
[457] - Quote
I certainly hope for your sake CCP, that you are sincere about this, and I hope your planning on removing microtransactions. Your actions and behavior the last couple of years (especially in the last few months) have pushed a large portion of your subscribers and a lot of external media to the extremes of cynicism.
Personally, I'm not going to hold my breath. I've waited 3 1/2 years for the ever-promised industry expansion to no avail. Nullsec obviously needs to be fixed, but after that please do something about industry. |
Steph Wing
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
42
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Posted - 2011.09.25 21:41:00 -
[458] - Quote
Keep the threadnaught chugging, rabble brigade! |
Iluminat
Sharp Dressed Man
3
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Posted - 2011.09.25 22:31:00 -
[459] - Quote
I installed Freelancer a couple of weeks ago and it was refreshing after 6 years of eve.
Fast action
Fast learning curve
Fast high action short missions
Enough trading routes
Nice to find some Nomad guns
Eve just gets boring after 6 years. It's becomming a slow bohemoth.
I suggest ccp play more of these games to get some inspiration. |
Dodgy Past
Digital Fury Corporation
Northern Coalition.
5
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Posted - 2011.09.25 23:19:00 -
[460] - Quote
Lars Erlkonig wrote:Speaking of which, the fact that people get 3 strikes before they are banned for running bots still leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. If you warn them once and they knowingly do so a second time, do they really deserve a third attempt? Is CCP really that willing to put the desire for $15/month that far ahead of the stability of the much vaunted player driven market?
Good point, we were promised that botting would be heavily attacked.
Infact it seems to be the only area of growth in the entire game. Also there's been zero follow up on this after all the fanfare in the past.
Yet another broken promise. |
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Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
11
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Posted - 2011.09.26 00:23:00 -
[461] - Quote
CCP Zulu tries to play the community like a cheap piano. Shoots self in foot. More at the top of the hour as the story develops.
Keep at it, and pretty soon daddy is gonna take the t-bird away. |
Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
11
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Posted - 2011.09.26 00:25:00 -
[462] - Quote
Also, two cheers for promises and the bucket of warm spit they are worth! |
Junky Juke
Delta Division.
5
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Posted - 2011.09.26 00:43:00 -
[463] - Quote
Encouraging...
how long will you leave us in limbo? |
Inepsa1987
Strategic Terror
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 01:04:00 -
[464] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space.
The situation you've created here is kinda disgusting. Zulu is the best troll machine in all the internet. |
Jonah Gravenstein
7
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Posted - 2011.09.26 01:19:00 -
[465] - Quote
meh at buggy forums eating my wall of text :(
I'm rapidly realising that CCP are better trolls than we are
CCP killed the dream, "excellence, deliver & soonGäó" are now bywords for CCP incompetence and mismanagement.
CCP Zulu needs to take a class in Public Relations and learn how to talk to people that pay his employer money every month. We're not rabble, we're paying customers and as such deserve a little respect.
Dev blogs without content are not worth publishing, "we're working on spaceships" would have got a much more positive reaction than the vapid effort that started this threadnaught. Buzz words just don't cut it when your products biggest fans have lost faith in the games direction.
The gameplay itself encourages us to be evil, backstabbing, dishonest, manipulative and downright nasty. Player driven propaganda, content, advertising & media far outweighs anything that CCP put out. When Eve hits the headlines 90% of the time it does so because of player driven events, could be a massive ponzi scheme, a huge corp theft or burning down the trade hubs because the NEX store is priced stupidly  (and it is stupid, micro means small not the cost of a damn plex).
Alienating the fan base by releasing content that is either unfinished, poorly executed or just plain unwanted, and insulting them is not a good way to gain new players, especially when the fans are the ones that do most of the advertising by word of mouth. |
HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2011.09.26 02:40:00 -
[466] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:meh at buggy forums eating my wall of text :( I'm rapidly realising that CCP are better trolls than we are CCP killed the dream, "excellence, deliver & soonGäó" are now bywords for CCP incompetence and mismanagement. CCP Zulu needs to take a class in Public Relations and learn how to talk to people that pay his employer money every month. We're not rabble, we're paying customers and as such deserve a little respect. Dev blogs without content are not worth publishing, "we're working on spaceships" would have got a much more positive reaction than the vapid effort that started this threadnaught. Buzz words just don't cut it when your products biggest fans have lost faith in the games direction. The gameplay itself encourages us to be evil, backstabbing, dishonest, manipulative and downright nasty. Player driven propaganda, content, advertising & media far outweighs anything that CCP put out. When Eve hits the headlines 90% of the time it does so because of player driven events, could be a massive ponzi scheme, a huge corp theft or burning down the trade hubs because the NEX store is priced stupidly (and it is stupid, micro means small not the cost of a damn plex). The evil backstabbing part comes out when CCP screw stuff up and the players have to resort to the gaming media to air their concerns because CCP have their lalalala earplugs in where the "rabble" concerned, they only listen when it becomes known outside the game and their income and image could be affected. Alienating the fan base by releasing content that is either unfinished, poorly executed or just plain unwanted, and insulting them is not a good way to gain new players, especially when the fans are the ones that do most of the advertising by word of mouth. Crowd Control Productions? recently it's been more like Comedy Central Productions. The cats are now out of the bags, good luck with herding cats CCP
Exactly this, word for word. I could not say it better myself.
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HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2011.09.26 02:50:00 -
[467] - Quote
Zarnak Wulf wrote:Meh. CCP took out massive loans to build WoD and Dust. They probably made delivery promises to go along with those loans. It's not as simple as snapping your fingers and moving devs back to where we all want them. They probably have to negotiate later delivery times and possible financial incentives with their investors. There are many reasons why they may not be ready to 'go public'. Legal departments have a great way of slowing everything up. Anyone who's had to work in a customer service business realizes that when a customer walks in and you can't get to them right then and there - at the very least you should make eye contact, acknowledge their presence, and promise to be right with them. That's customer service 101 and that's all this dev blog was. It's the anger and resentment that goes along with 18 months of neglect that make it insufficient.
They should have taken it one step at a time, keep working on EVE and maybe start some development on a second game but not dropped EVE almost entirely for two other game developments. Using EVE as live testing for features of your new games is completely unacceptable and we will not tolerate it.
This is our stand as both players of EVE and paying customers against neglect of the game we love and we will not backdown, we will see that this is all corrected or we shall witness the fall of CCP. |
Gridwalker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 03:39:00 -
[468] - Quote
To paraphrase CCP's intrepid CEO, I think I'm going to "ignore what you say and make up my mind based on what you actually do."
I will be happy when I see the "ship spinning" issue resolved; being able to choose whether we want to exit our ships or not makes sense, not only from a usability perspective, but also from an immersion perspective.
The bigger question, however, is how are you going to balance adding new features with fixing existing ones? I don't think anyone wants to see EVE become stagnant, but neither do we want to see nearly every aspect of EVE in a state of perpetual pre-beta!
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Damarn Price
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 03:41:00 -
[469] - Quote
Wow, There are so many opinions floating around about what should be done, its a wonder anything gets done. Some say CCP promises too much and deliver too little, and when they respond to that by holding back on forecasting future direction others pipe up and say they don't say enough. The CSM members seem to express just as diverse views. It will take me a year to sort this all out to understand what do we want. But I know we're now Walking in station now, Or more like "Pacing in Room" we're working on populating the planets; Something is happening in 0.0 to Sovereignty. Changes are being made to the UI; the game looks damn good; and for its complexity it works damn good; and, we've got a new Forum that hopefully will help me make sense of all this. I have been around a little more than a year now, and it is all so complex, I need another year to figure out what's been going on from last year to this year. I guess its just a good job around, the player-base blast CCP so hard and from so many directions, CCP actually performs well above my expectations in rising to the occasion to meet player demands, therefore excelling in this game production. And by the way, when my wife asks, "Are you still playing that GAME?. I seriously reply, "It's not a game. It's a simulator. A life simulator." But she walks away mumbling, "It's a game." A damn good game it is. |
Reten Kip
Everset Dropbears
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 04:08:00 -
[470] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
There was a chance that I would renew my subscription before it runs out next month, but that response just terminated it. Obviously you don't want any paying customers, so this one is done. You blew your last chance. |
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Auric Aurumfinger
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.09.26 04:52:00 -
[471] - Quote
CCP HQ, a few hours after the blog post:
The intern runs and abrupty interrupts The CEO. He hates when people enter his office during tea.
- Hilmar, Hilmar, we have a problem.
- What is it, intern?
- People are complaining and bitching again in the forums!!!
- AGAIN? Release the Zulu!
- A-a-re you sure?
- Enough! Release the Zulu!
CCP is becoming a pretty good case on how not to run PR in the game industry.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
118
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Posted - 2011.09.26 06:48:00 -
[472] - Quote
Inepsa1987 wrote:CCP Zulu wrote:Watch this space. The situation you've created here is kinda disgusting. Zulu is the best troll machine in all the internet.
*watches space*
*rabbles*
(not at all predictable)
Yup, troll. Time to report Zulu to the mods.
Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
118
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Posted - 2011.09.26 06:51:00 -
[473] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
Reported your post.
"trolling
no content
insulting players"
Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Ender Sai
Foetus Mart
1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 07:49:00 -
[474] - Quote
Okay, enough trolling of CCP trolling players and player trolling CCP.
When can we expect the devblog we have been expecting?
If this was the devblog, then I feel trolled. I mean, I'm happy you're moving towards a newer brighter future and all that, but you know, curious parties (me) want to know what you're actually planning. And I like devblogs, that is blogs with dev in them.
If you guys are still coming up with the devblog we have been waiting for (tm) you could have just said something like "we're still working on something give us another week" or something like that. 'cause at the moment it's like you're saying we're going to get coca cola and then you're like POW PEPSI. PWNT. Which is a bit like. :-\ |
mkint
60
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:32:00 -
[475] - Quote
soonGäó
iterateGäó
watch this spaceGäó
dev blogGäó
excellenceGäó
deliverGäó
Am I missing any other CCP-speak for "nothing's gonna happen"? Please don't let refocusGäó become a thing. |
Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:38:00 -
[476] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
How can you be so dumb.
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Niko Takahashi
Percone Outcasts
5
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:03:00 -
[477] - Quote
Sister Bliss wrote:Did the forum bug eat your post too CCP Zulu?
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RavenNyx
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:04:00 -
[478] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
Funny, real funny. You think being passive-aggressive with the angry mob (you know, the rabble?) is the best way you can represent CCP? You do NOT have any goodwill left Zulu - you've lost that away some time ago. We are not your equals, we're your bread and butter. Now, act mature and speak to us in a manner becomming a normal customer / customer-service relationship.
We care about this game, it's why we where ever "rabbling" in the first place. I'm starting to doubt CCP cares since the one of the only public CCP voices is Zulu and the others are backing him. I can only take that as CCPs official attitude towards me and other customers. Rabble, was that the word? Funny...
/raven
PS:
Give us back the old forums - a beta such as this is pretty lame. If you quote something, you can't even see the freekin' source? Heh... It's what, 5-6 years since I last saw a forum with that feature missing.... |
Niko Takahashi
Percone Outcasts
5
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:08:00 -
[479] - Quote
To be honest.
I am pissed as anyone at CCP but please some bloddy patience.
If the new ship spin option. and the other stuff gets implemented it ia good first step.
And if I think what they doing is actually what they doing now it is totally undestandable that it is going to take some time.
CCP please do NOT disapoint again because IF you do I am pretty sure that is going to be the end of this game.
which would be a shame.
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Duatha Hanann
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:15:00 -
[480] - Quote
That-¦s it!
my 3-yearold account is cancelled.
Never wanted to play GÇPspace-barbie-onlineGÇ£.
Keep going CCP and improve your shiny GÇ£shopping-in-stationGÇ¥
Keep going CCP dev-blog-proposing GǪGǪ nothing GǪGǪfor real spacepilots.
X3 will be reborn soon!
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RavenNyx
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:38:00 -
[481] - Quote
Niko Takahashi wrote:To be honest.
I am pissed as anyone at CCP but please some bloddy patience.
If the new ship spin option. and the other stuff gets implemented it ia good first step.
[...]
No, I don't have any patience left. CCP focus on shaders for hello capsuleer online, and not spaceships? They have chosen this path for development since their last "hick"up, where the CSM was flown to Iceland? They knew what we, the "rabble", wanted and they didn't care. Now, patience? No, simple as that. They choose a freekin' font over spaceships?! Now, if I actually cared for this game I might take offence...
The ship spin was TAKEN OUT, it's not a new feature by any means. The code exists already. It's a good, "bring the game back on track" step - they will however *NOT* get, nor do they deserve, credit for re-implementing something they never should have removed in the first place. They effed up, big time, and now they pay the price. It's the very least they can do.
/raven |
Niko Takahashi
Percone Outcasts
5
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Posted - 2011.09.26 09:52:00 -
[482] - Quote
Pesadel0 wrote:CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus. How can you be so dumb.
To be honest this gave me a giggle.
To be honest laughed at the Zuku's comment.
See while we the player base have been and rightly so throwing ***** on CCP like monkeys in the ZOO. It is natural.
Correct or professional ? No but funny and understandable.
Just deliver something that is not a steaming pile of garbage CCP and we will shut up.
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kapie nogg
U.K. Bulldogs
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 10:10:00 -
[483] - Quote
Watch this space?! space is an area of emptyness muchlike the info in this latest blog, I'de like to use this opertunity to thank players who bought the plexes with real money i use to play this crap for free............THANKS! |
kapie nogg
U.K. Bulldogs
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 10:11:00 -
[484] - Quote
Watch this space?! space is an area of emptyness muchlike the info in this latest blog, I'de like to use this opertunity to thank players who bought the plexes with real money i use to play this crap for free............THANKYOU VERY MUCH |
Dray
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
2
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Posted - 2011.09.26 11:28:00 -
[485] - Quote
We just got the "cheques in the post" reply.
Personally this is how I see CCP.
Pretty sure this is how CCP sees us.
Hoping to be proved wrong but not too confident until we get some more details. |
Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
4
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Posted - 2011.09.26 12:52:00 -
[486] - Quote
I'm watching this space and wondering: Will we rabblers get more promises?
I'd like more promises.
For some reason they makes rabbling easier. |
Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security
Stella Stargate Security
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 13:06:00 -
[487] - Quote
Too little,. too late
on the upside tho World of tanks is comming along nicely
each new patchs brings us new tanks and new maps,.. in a word, exactly what the players want
No secrets,. no surpirze updates, no withholding information about features liek a trailer for a crap movie, just full disclosure and a happy community.
see it can be done,.. just not by ccp. |
Chris Cochrane
The Knights Templar
Cascade Imminent
2
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Posted - 2011.09.26 13:20:00 -
[488] - Quote
I believe the people on this thread want to hear some kind of confirmation, putting aside the trolls (lol) we want to know if you are listening CCP Devs, not to the whining as much, but rather we really want to know if you are listening to what we want to see changed in eve.
if you are reading this, a simple reply to all this would probably get people focused, and maybe a little serious. |
Janos Saal
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
12
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Posted - 2011.09.26 14:18:00 -
[489] - Quote
Zulu you're just dumb as hell.
EVE is dead |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
69
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:22:00 -
[490] - Quote
Capacity gear wrote:
on the upside tho World of tanks is comming along nicely
each new patchs brings us new tanks and new maps,.. in a word, exactly what the players want
And it makes players go like this.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits
GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits
\Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½
GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
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electroretard
Tecnicos Investigacion Aeroterraquea
1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 15:25:00 -
[491] - Quote
"Ok, we are going to do what you have been requesting for 1.5 years and we kept ignoring in our own arrogance. Please stop unsubscribing and start logging in again".
Too late, sorry. |
Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 18:50:00 -
[492] - Quote
The moments that define history
It can be just a date:
20/12/2011
Before this date CCP better get their collective **** together for balance, fixes and real game content 'cause they are going to have some serious competition for any new or casual players.
That's how long you have to make a real stir. |
Crymrea
The Red Circle Inc.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 18:57:00 -
[493] - Quote
2 dev blogs.
The first says that we are giving you back functionality we broke and the second says just give us more time, we've changed.
Seriously? |
Alcolin
Hudson Walker Incorperated
3
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:17:00 -
[494] - Quote
CCP Zulu wrote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
WoW ... i feel so special ... this is Epic. This attitude always ends in the same result... !
Bets on when EvE -online announces its ground breaking Free To Play expansion! |
SexxxSlave
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:27:00 -
[495] - Quote
how long you gunna milk the golden goose before you release another empty devblog? |
DeliciousHamBeast
The Concilium Enterprises
Spectrum Alliance
80
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:30:00 -
[496] - Quote
I'm sure you have something more productive you could be doing with your time?
--
Pity me not, but lend thy serious hearing to what I shall unfold. |
SexxxSlave
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 19:34:00 -
[497] - Quote
DeliciousHamBeast wrote:I'm sure you have something more productive you could be doing with your time?
because taking 15 seconds of my time to type the OP is detrimental to the progress of my day...
also, CCP is literally a hair away from incarna-esque riots, and mass unsubs. |
Hudson Mohawk
Kanienkehaka Tribe
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 20:47:00 -
[498] - Quote
CCP, if you had delivered on all the promises you've made you probably would have a lot more subscribers and would'nt have to rip us off with your NEX store. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army
BricK sQuAD.
10
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Posted - 2011.09.26 20:54:00 -
[499] - Quote
SexxxSlave wrote:how long you gunna milk the golden goose before you release another empty devblog?
Ive said it before and I will say it again, I am not a golden goose to be milked. |
Chris Cochrane
The Knights Templar
Cascade Imminent
2
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Posted - 2011.09.27 02:47:00 -
[500] - Quote
Ahh, it has come to my attention that some of the people in this thread are a bit down about Eve Online, so after thinking long and hard, I've decided to post a video that WILL brighten (or darken) your moods ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqR_SwwByMM
Enjoy ^^ |
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Yasumoto
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
11
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Posted - 2011.09.27 04:33:00 -
[501] - Quote
Crymrea wrote:2 dev blogs.
The first says that we are giving you back functionality we broke and the second says just give us more time, we've changed.
Seriously?
Don't forget about the blog sanctioning player-provided video content to the CQ TV.
p.s. *rage* at forgetting to select-all and copy my post before previewing. Fuckin forum ate my post. Again. |
RavenNyx
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
2
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Posted - 2011.09.27 10:44:00 -
[502] - Quote
I just remebered this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS0TDmInsxk - sums everything up pretty good :)
Ps: Beta forums are beta... |
Juil
Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
17
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:52:00 -
[503] - Quote
OK so some legit questions:
If you changing focus what does this mean that:
1. Incarna is going to be once more yet another unifinished expansion?
2. We are never going to get the rest of the C.Q and the Establishments that where promised?
3. It will end up like FW and PI all over again?
Those are my BIGGEST concerns, I'm tired of CCP launching crap and not FINISHING it.. I'm tired of half assed expansions and ten billion bugs because of them.. i'm tired of unbalanced game play....
If you go back to when this character as made even the little guys stood a chance, these days forget it..
But the big one is.. CCP if Blizzard the worlds largest MMO provider can take a risk and redo their ENTIRE main gaming world.. (Cataclysm) to update and reiterate and make it new.. what is stopping you?
Eve is meant to be a sand box a living breathing world.. but it's not any longer, Empire space is static, there has been no expansion to the Low and Null sec space and to top all of this off.. new technology and updates keep taking place and yet nothing ever seems to change over all in eve itself.
So rather then Dev Blogs that are empty.. how abotu giving us some thing to at least lift the spirits.. a 'roadmap' as you like to call them to winning back our hearts.. and NOT just your FIS and NULL sec people either.. but ALL of your player base, remember a large Chunk of your play base is in High Sec.
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Talaan Stardrifter
Universal Exports
0
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Posted - 2011.09.27 12:27:00 -
[504] - Quote
Why waste our time with an empty blogpost?
All you've said is, "Torfi said something."
Why post a blog if it has no content? |
Niko Takahashi
Percone Outcasts
6
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Posted - 2011.09.27 15:10:00 -
[505] - Quote
Crymrea wrote:2 dev blogs.
The first says that we are giving you back functionality we broke and the second says just give us more time, we've changed.
Seriously?
Actually that pretty much sums this up rather nicely.
On the other hand this makes me to cancel the accounts.
Quite frankly looking at the player count graphs I would be very nervous CCP.
Online shooters last 6 months maybe a year. And by the time withe the speed you work the WoD wampire fab is going to die.
Yes yes blah blah it is older but it is still just bloodsucking barbie world :)
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Orakkus
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
6
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:04:00 -
[506] - Quote
Quote:Over the past days and weeks, CCP has been doing extensive and intense introspection and revitalization. The result of this is a refocusing and reprioritization on a scale unheard of within our company.
Five days.. for a dev blog that CSM Member Seleene says CCP has already written up... and that we still haven't got yet..
I don't know what you all are thinking. Let me tell you what I am thinking..
A.) I want to enjoy a Space Based MMO game.
B.) I have played Eve Online for about four years. I wish to continue to play this game.
C.) Eve Online, however, is not all that much fun anymore.. though I am trying new things in-game.
D.) CCP pulling my leg and issuing Dev Blogs that essentially say, "Oh, just wait.. we're really going to improve this time, though we can't tell you or promise anything, or even actually saying anything tangible" is not new to CCP. Therefore, either "the extensive and intense introspection and revitalization" has failed at this point or they never took place with any seriousness to begin with.
E.) I worked out at the gym last night and had more fun than I have had in Eve Online for a long, long time. Plus, it's healthier.
F.) I only have $15-20 US dollars to spend on gaming entertainment.
G.) Why are they making World of Darkness.. the "Vampire" fad is almost done and maybe has two years left on it. If they add zombies as a player character.. maybe five more years tops?
So, let me sum up..
Why am I paying $15 dollars a month, for a game that isn't fun, to a company who actually seems RESISTANT to improving the game, and quite possibly is upset that players are mad about them ignoring their cash-cow game?
CCP, PLEASE GIVE ME A REASON TO STAY! |
Crusa Alearf
Avon Cosmetics
4
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Posted - 2011.09.27 21:30:00 -
[507] - Quote
Well I'm not CCP, but I would encourage everyone to bear the storm by trying something new (some of you have) with an open mind! Just a few more days and we'll know what their stance is for sure.
I just came back from a break and possibly I've never had so much fun in EVE before, than I'm now having with Incursions. I meet new people everyday, I'm not agonizing about losing my ship all the time like in Alliance PvP and I'm making decent ISK.
So for a few days, let's break the form. This is not the first crisis for EVE and reading these forums all the time with a lot of negative posting isn't going to make anyone feel better about the game. I for one think EVE is still a great game and as I've said before it just needs to get back on track. I'm sure CCP can do that. |
RavenNyx
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
2
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Posted - 2011.09.27 22:56:00 -
[508] - Quote
Crusa Alearf wrote:Well I'm not CCP, but I would encourage everyone to bear the storm by trying something new (some of you have) with an open mind! Just a few more days and we'll know what their stance is for sure.
[...]
NO! And this and this is why not. We have been waiting for a response, and the response was a total communications failure, again, as the 24th of June when Zulu made alot of players angry with his wording in a blog. That's about 3 months ago... Now he's at it again, and this time he has NO goodwill to back him.
So, I'm gonna' accept CCPs hype, after waiting 3 months? I'm going to accept another string of promises from CCP, that they'll never make good on? I'm gonna' accept this, with the knowledge of CCP "watching what I do, not what I say"? NO! CCP has to act, CCP has to DO, not just blurt out another string of promises...
This is NOT ok, this is yet ANOTHER communications failure. CCP did not listen last time, they did not learn. And you believe them THIS time? Why? Was has changed? They made more shiny-stuff and announced it - they did not fix spaceships, as the CSM crowdsourcing attempt suggested - you know, the players' opinions? How is that listening to the players?
tl;dr - I waited 3 months for CCP to do something. They released a TV-set for the CQ instead of fixing stuff they left broken and told me to keep my eyes peeled? No... *sigh* - stop talking CCP, DO something!
Edit:
Yeah - had to rewrite that because of the forums discarding it the first time around... Beta forums are beta... |
DONMEN SOLO
Royal One Piece Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 00:23:00 -
[509] - Quote
It would not surprise me if CCP Zulu turned out to be a giant icelandic troll who just tried to trolloll the entire eve community.
But seriously bring back previous functionality.
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Mercof Mercy
Creampie Surprise
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 03:15:00 -
[510] - Quote
When are they actually going to get a clue that the same "Oh, it's coming, trust us" does nothing but aggravate everybody who knows just how good CCP is at keeping promises?
CCP? Keeping promises? Lol. |
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Dalton Vanadis
Miranda United
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
407
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Posted - 2011.09.28 06:12:00 -
[511] - Quote
RavenNyx wrote:Crusa Alearf wrote:Well I'm not CCP, but I would encourage everyone to bear the storm by trying something new (some of you have) with an open mind! Just a few more days and we'll know what their stance is for sure.
[...]
NO! And this and this is why not. We have been waiting for a response, and the response was a total communications failure, again, as the 24th of June when Zulu made alot of players angry with his wording in a blog. That's about 3 months ago... Now he's at it again, and this time he has NO goodwill to back him. So, I'm gonna' accept CCPs hype, after waiting 3 months? I'm going to accept another string of promises from CCP, that they'll never make good on? I'm gonna' accept this, with the knowledge of CCP "watching what I do, not what I say"? NO! CCP has to act, CCP has to DO, not just blurt out another string of promises... This is NOT ok, this is yet ANOTHER communications failure. CCP did not listen last time, they did not learn. And you believe them THIS time? Why? Was has changed? They made more shiny-stuff and announced it - they did not fix spaceships, as the CSM crowdsourcing attempt suggested - you know, the players' opinions? How is that listening to the players? tl;dr - I waited 3 months for CCP to do something. They released a TV-set for the CQ instead of fixing stuff they left broken and told me to keep my eyes peeled? No... *sigh* - stop talking CCP, DO something! Edit: Yeah - had to rewrite that because of the forums discarding it the first time around... Beta forums are beta...
1. Never say never
2. It was three months ago, for a game as complex with as many interlocking systems as EVE, you can't just suddenly go shboowoop, wambobambo, here's brand new **** you wanted right here right now. You have two options: A. Completely kill all projects and refocus all employees (and lose all the development time you've put into those things, leaving features rotting because of the refocus) or B. Finish up the immediate projects that were on the table, release them, and then continue the focus already planned (FiS, 0.0 expansion this winter) forward with a larger commitment of resources than originally planned.
CCP is taking route B, which is a smart, not ******** move, and will provide a more streamlined experience for players with as smooth of a transition for the company as possible.
Also, would you rather they stay completely silent instead of at least saying, "hey guys, we're working on it."
Furthermore, the CQ screen wasn't a new feature, they're just telling everyone how to use an exploit discovered by players correctly. Which smacks of the CCP of old which would help players do awesome stuff, as opposed to the CCP of the past year or two which would have plugged that hole without so much as a hop skip and a doo da.
Yeah, EVE has had some trials and tribulations the last few months, and I admit, I wasn't particularly impressed with the released CQ/Incarna for the summer, I was also amongst those pretty pissed off about those dev blogs and the pants-on-head ******** NEX pricing. But I'd like to think that CCP did go, "f*ck, this is bad, we should reorient and make our customers happy," and are going about this with at least half a brain.
As such, I can hope that there will be some mindblowingly nice fixes and iterations and improvements and maybe a new feature or two. But really, I'm more excited for the crowdsourced list of fixes *cough POS update cough* than new content. But that's just me.
Tl;dr - Change takes time when you're programming for the most complex MMO on the market, give 'em the benefit of the doubt, I didn't like Incarna/blogs either, please make my spaceship game moar awesomer soonish. |
Katrina Bekers
Fighters Squadron
17
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Posted - 2011.09.28 06:50:00 -
[512] - Quote
Dalton Vanadis wrote:Completely kill all projects and refocus all employees (and lose all the development time you've put into those things, leaving features rotting because of the refocus)
Wait and see? Like... Uhmmm...
- Factional Warfare. Released, and abandoned rotting when iteration would have prevented loss of dev time.
- PI. Released, iterated once and abandoned rotting when further iteration would have prevented loss of dev time.
- POSes. Released, and abandoned rotting when iteration would have prevented loss of dev time.
- Dominion sov mechanics. Released, and abandoned rotting when iteration would have prevented loss of dev time.
- Bounty system. Released, and abandoned rotting when iteration would have prevented loss of dev time.
I'm sure you get the drift.
And guess what? Incarna is a great candidate to continue the winning streak. Released, and probably going the way of all other half-finished features. Which is a shame per se, but even more considering how much development time ("18 months", do you remember?) was poured into it.
Wait and see?
CCP, after past year Summer of Rage and this year Summer Riots was ALREADY on parole.
When you're on parole, you already ran out of trust and goodwill, and need to show if you got what it takes. The last thing that would benefit your case is asking for more trust and goodwill.
CCP is the guy in probation that pisses on cop's feet with snickering and derogatory comments.
...Wait and see?
Rabble rabble
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RavenNyx
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
2
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Posted - 2011.09.28 09:01:00 -
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Katrina Bekers wrote:Dalton Vanadis wrote:Completely kill all projects and refocus all employees (and lose all the development time you've put into those things, leaving features rotting because of the refocus) Wait and see? Like... Uhmmm...
- Factional Warfare. Released, and abandoned rotting when iteration would have prevented loss of dev time.
- PI. Released, iterated once and abandoned rotting when further iteration would have prevented loss of dev time.
- POSes. Released, and abandoned rotting when iteration would have prevented loss of dev time.
- Dominion sov mechanics. Released, and abandoned rotting when iteration would have prevented loss of dev time.
- Bounty system. Released, and abandoned rotting when iteration would have prevented loss of dev time.
I'm sure you get the drift. And guess what? Incarna is a great candidate to continue the winning streak. Released, and probably going the way of all other half-finished features. Which is a shame per se, but even more considering how much development time ("18 months", do you remember?) was poured into it. Wait and see? CCP, after past year Summer of Rage and this year Summer Riots was ALREADY on parole. When you're on parole, you already ran out of trust and goodwill, and need to show if you got what it takes. The last thing that would benefit your case is asking for more trust and goodwill. CCP is the guy in probation that pi sses on cop's feet with snickering and derogatory comments. ...Wait and see? Rabble rabble
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Dray
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
2
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Posted - 2011.09.28 10:22:00 -
[514] - Quote
Alternatively we could take off, nuke the site from orbit and roll back to castor, only way to be sure. |
Dray
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
2
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Posted - 2011.09.28 10:29:00 -
[515] - Quote
Katrina Bekers wrote:CCP is the guy in probation that pi sses on cop's feet with snickering and derogatory comments. ...Wait and see? Rabble rabble
Actually they are more like a guy who will piss on your leg and try and tell you it's raining.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
42
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Posted - 2011.09.28 12:19:00 -
[516] - Quote
This space...
I am still watching it...
It is still empty...
???
Profit?
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Yasumoto
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
12
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Posted - 2011.09.28 12:44:00 -
[517] - Quote
Dray wrote:Katrina Bekers wrote:CCP is the guy in probation that pi sses on cop's feet with snickering and derogatory comments. ...Wait and see? Rabble rabble Actually they are more like a guy who will pi ss on your leg and try and tell you it's raining. If they say that it is "raining men," then they might have a fairly loyal audience. Just saying.
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Martyr 01
FinFleet
Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 14:36:00 -
[518] - Quote
Reporting for duty; got vaseline?
Also: Bring back Oveur blogs!
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Lunce
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
0
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Posted - 2011.09.29 08:25:00 -
[519] - Quote
Myself? When I read:
'Over the past days and weeks, CCP has been doing extensive and intense introspection and revitalization. The result of this is a refocusing and reprioritization on a scale unheard of within our company.'
And:
'We have decided, to focus our collective efforts on the areas you have asked us to focus on.'
I almost cried with relief. Really. Why? In all honesty, I have not logged into the game in almost a month now. The fact is that for me, the game's lost a lot of it's fun. 0.0 which has been my home almost since I started playing is totally ****ed now. Supers killed it. It is broken and now needs a complete makeover to become fun again for the average Pod Pilot. In order to play in 0.0 now, there is simply no valid option other than to be some alliance's ***** (pardon the language.)
For over a year there has mostly been negativity in the forums, largely because CCP has chosen to focus it's energies on other games and on a patch (Incarna) that simply feels to me like a band aid solution, something to point to as new and wonderful in hopes of drawing huge numbers of players to the game.
The simple fact is that EVE will always be a niche game. It will never compete for subscription numbers with the WOWs out there that cater to simplicity and mediocrity. EVE is too different, too complex, and too challenging to learn for most people. That's fine. Simply focus on improving the core game, the UI, and player satisfaction, and the game will continue to grow and remain healthy.
Keep EVE's players always looking forward with excitement and expectation and they will be your best recruiting tool.
Sadly, however, the core of EVE has suffered from inattention to broken and/or incomplete game mechanics/features for a painfully long time now. I was starting to get the strong feeling that CCP was going to let EVE simply die out through inattention while it focused it's energies on new games.
For months and months I looked to the forums for any breath of hope that the many issues in EVE that need attention were being worked on. In vain. For the longest time it's been painful watching the hate posts from irate players and the (hurt?) silence from CCP. Unhealthy.
A game simply cannot last long term with this level of animosity between it's players and Owners. Not only that, but the Devs are caught in the middle here. They are not the policy makers, and they can hardly do their best work when they don't feel appreciated.
When Arnar posts that 'CCP has been doing extensive and intense introspection', I believe it. They have been forced due to the events of the last few months to realize that what the players have been repeating over and over, that the game mechanics/features NEED to be worked on, is actually critical to the long term health of the game.
So yes, this time I do believe CCP when they say they are going to work on these issues. It also gives me hope that I will again be able to look forward to playing EVE with excitement and expectation. |
mkint
84
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Posted - 2011.09.29 09:18:00 -
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Hmm... I'm thinking I'm gonna call it...
SoonGäó
IterateGäó
Watch This SpaceGäó
And now: RefocusGäó
Yup... "refocus" is now a cliche meaning fuckall is happening. |
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Anvil44
Independent Traders and Builders
MPA
6
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Posted - 2011.09.29 15:42:00 -
[521] - Quote
The original blog for this thread is now one week old. Watching this space shows lots of comments, many well thought out, many passionate, all about how we feel CCP is going to perform.
However, nothing from CCP themselves. C'mon guys, throw us a bone here. We're starving for something, something to show us where you are headed now, what your newly focused chi is being directed at. I admit that changing focus can mean that having something 'working' to give to us can take a while but you should be able to say something. Besides calling us rabble...some of us happen to be waiting without giving a knee-jerk reaction. Perhaps you could come out with something to whet our appetites?
The longer the silence continues, the more you sound like so many salesmen and politicians...make some promises that sound great but then go strangely silent when we want a little more. Then you hear they are making different promises to different people and have forgotten all about you. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
Masters of Flying Objects
34
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Posted - 2011.09.29 15:47:00 -
[522] - Quote
The devs are waiting on the Carbon IO fix for the mac.
Until that gets fixed we will not see any new features on TQ. Must be as frustrating for them as for us. There is a masstest to battle test this issue to night all you Mac heads come out and help. And send your crash reports in so they can track down the issue. |
Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.29 17:52:00 -
[523] - Quote
One week. Still watching this space.
Hm. Maybe (being positive here) CCP is actually trying to hold true to their promise, and that is why we haven't heard any news. They don't want to say anything until it's set in stone?
Or they're just scared to say anything because they know no matter what it is, people will nitpick it to death and shoot it down.
Or... they just don't give a frack anymore, and they'll come out in a week or two with "Look! We changed the coding on station container icons!"
Frankly I don't care what they fix, as long as the fix something significant (and not some minor bug fixed touted as the best thing since sliced bread), because it'd show they actually are committed.
Imagine if they went back to all the past features they've abandoned (As Katrina Beckers listed; Faction Warfare, PI, POS, Sov, bounties... and the terrible drone UI and UI usability in general...)and fixed them with the winter expansion. People would be ecstatic. Faith would be restored.
But at this point, whatever the winter expansion is, I'm sure it's already set in stone. While it would be cool to see stations opened up instead of just CQ, I think we'd all much rather see resources devoted to fixing what we already have. But hell, I'm just beating a dead horse here. 
Anyway. One week down. How much longer to go before we hear something? |
Orakkus
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
6
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Posted - 2011.09.29 21:07:00 -
[524] - Quote
Seleene's blog here: http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com/2011/09/lack-of-communication.html
has an update this. The CSM had a conference call with CCP yesterday and in the comments Seleene indicates that CCP should have a new, more concrete devblog by the weekend. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
125
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Posted - 2011.09.30 09:30:00 -
[525] - Quote
8 days, still watching this space.
Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
RavenNyx
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
3
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Posted - 2011.09.30 10:30:00 -
[526] - Quote
Well - who expected that CCP actually did change anything? Sure, we all hoped, but to annonunce stuff, call the player-base "rabble" and then keep silent for 8 days? 24 hours was too long, 192 hours is way-way too long...
CCP; Winter is comming... What's it gonna' be? You gonna' stick to it and pull through, or just throw down? Let me know what to expect from you please; failed attempts to hype, followed by contempt and silence does NOT win the hearts of your player-base, and I would really like to know if I should start to look around for a new hobby...
CCP; Winter is comming... |
Elrianmk2
Dead Space Alpha
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2011.09.30 14:48:00 -
[527] - Quote
bittervet is bitter...
Still waiting to see what is going to happen with this, heck i have been waiting what 6 years for planetary flight, population management and something to keep the pain that is Industry worthwhile without having to resort to pvp to have fun (Yes this includes market pvp, bored of all of that now) lets have some good stuff please, you know stop listening to NEW FEATURE == AWESOME and more listening to the "Er that's not good lets fix it" camp please? |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
32
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Posted - 2011.09.30 15:36:00 -
[528] - Quote
Who's still watching?
It's not Rocket Surgery |
HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2011.09.30 15:42:00 -
[529] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Who's still watching?
Most of the people who have posted and the many others who don't even feel like it's worth their time to comment as the rest of us don't seem to be getting answers anyway. |
Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.30 16:47:00 -
[530] - Quote
Quote:We will reveal more over the coming weeks.
Hmm. I assumed that meant "Bits and pieces throughout the following weeks" and not "Bits and pieces in a few weeks"
But maybe I misunderstood. Or maybe this thing is so big that things are still happening too fast for anything concrete to be devblogged about.
If that's the case, I'd understand why you would be hesitant to post another "Hold on, we're working on it but can't give any details yet." after the fallout this devblog has received.
We want you to succeed, CCP. We really do. I know it seems like we bash you a lot, but thats because we care about this game a lot and hate it when you frack things up.
As for this-
Quote:Oh, and to the rabble brigade:
It's spaceships.
Spaceships is what I'm referring to as focus.
Not going reiterate what others have said about the 'rabble' business, but...
Does this mean new space ships, or fixing existing ones?
Because, if it wasn't fairly obvious, we're not looking for new. Nothing's wrong with new.... except when it takes priority over.. well... everything else in the game to the point of the core game ending up where it is now. I rather thought that the idea of new content in a winter expansion, and improving existing content in the summer, was a great idea.
CCP sort of screwed themselves from the start when they began to promise two free expansions a year. It's awesome that they tried, but I believe that's part of the reason EVE is in the state it is now. So, CCP, we applaud your efforts, however, you've overreached your resources.
One expansions a year is fine, really! Just as long as it's actually finished. You guys have all these great ideas, and then screw them up by releasing them in an unfinished state, and worse, abandoning them for some other new project just to do the same thing.
Finished, quality content, delivered as promised. Quality over quantity. Quit promising us hot fudge sundae's and then only giving a scoop of vanilla ice cream. We want the toppings; hot fudge, peanuts, and whipped cream with a cherry on top. Even if that means it takes longer to make ;)
Anyway... CCP, this is your one chance to really show us players you guys are competent after all. You've set yourselves up in an all or nothing situation here; deliver and redeem your company in the eyes of your customers, or fail and prove once and for all that you're beyond salvation.
Personally... when that winter expansion comes out, I would love to be able to smile smugly and say "CCP delivers."
Just don't an hero on us. |
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HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2011.09.30 18:03:00 -
[531] - Quote
Just going to make a post about what I think CCP should do:
1. Tell us what you are planning to do and the reasons behind it, we can then give our opinions and tell you if it's a good idea or what needs added/removed.
2. Don't promise something you don't intend to deliver 100% complete before jumping to something new.
3. Love the game like we do, treat it with the respect that you should be doing and don't use it as a testing ground for things making up your two other games in development. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
126
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Posted - 2011.10.02 15:51:00 -
[532] - Quote
Misanth wrote:8 days, still watching this space.
10 days. Seems increasingly more likely that Zulu was trolling. Quite a good one too, wasting ten days and counting.
Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
60
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Posted - 2011.10.03 13:58:00 -
[533] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:This blog is a content-less pile of crap.
CSM is once again being ignored in favor of some lofty vacuous corporate goal.
Seleene wrote:Just a data point for you all: none of this week's devblogs were shown to the CSM in advance.
ROFL! Yah I agree on the content-less crap part. "Trust us we are going to do *something* promise" isn't much info.
On the other hand I think your delusions of grandeur are hilarious. The CSM is ridiculous. It's more redonkulous than monocles. Your clown tears amuse me.
ALL GëívGëí Ships | Odd-áGëívGëí Items | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
mkint
103
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Posted - 2011.10.03 16:55:00 -
[534] - Quote
This dev blog is making me want to cancel my last account. |
RavenNyx
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
8
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Posted - 2011.10.04 07:26:00 -
[535] - Quote
12 days...
Still watching that space... Awfully empty still...
Defining times? RE-introducing ship-spinning? More bling for the doll-people? Finally get to see some of Gridlocks work? 2 fixes of what's already broken (or limiting), and futher expansion of my doll-house in space... Not bashing anybody's work - Team Gridlock have done an awesome job, and you made the right choice of re-enabling us to spin ships. Doll-house in space? Yeah, it looks good, but...
Man, I hope you got something better in store for us FiS-people... |
Htrag
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
0
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Posted - 2011.10.04 12:25:00 -
[536] - Quote
Which moment would that be? |
Di Mulle
9
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Posted - 2011.10.04 19:51:00 -
[537] - Quote
Htrag wrote:Which moment would that be?
Not sure what it will be.
Have some guess when.
It will be Friday late afternoon.
Not sure about week though, not even sure about month.
CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
397
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Posted - 2011.10.04 21:16:00 -
[538] - Quote
It's been 2 weeks, CCP Zulu.
If we have to "watch this space" much longer, there'll be nothing to watch but space.
It might be that you don't have as much time as you think you have; just to hammer the point home: the unsub rate is non-linear. The players are the major source of game content. Every person that unsubs (or just stops logging in) makes it x% more likely that all his n subbed friends will do the same, and y% more likely that his m unsubbed friends won't come back.
For someone like a :foreveralone: empire missionrunner, that xn.ym value is pretty tiny. For someone like the main FC of a large alliance, or Chribba, or Estel Arador, that xn.ym value will be hundreds or even thousands of times higher. In a situation like that you don't have to be a mathematical genius to realise that this means there's an unstable, unpredictable tipping point after which EVE will failcascade no matter what CCP do.
I don't pretend to know where the tipping point is exactly, but given that so many of the most visible players in EVE, the content creators, the motivators, the ones who have the largest values of xn.ym are either unsubbed, in skill maintenance mode, so just spinning their wheels in game... yeah.
Deliver. Quickly.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Tilbak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.04 22:11:00 -
[539] - Quote
I think so far it has been a anti climax so far.There seem to be just throwing us small bones and we have yet to have a big juicy bone yet. |
KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
125
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Posted - 2011.10.06 22:13:00 -
[540] - Quote
This is what we want to see. Now if you follow through all will be well.
The biggest issue with EVE today is it's lost the one thing that truly separates it from other MMOs; a compelling player-driven story. EVE is more than a game; it's an interactive space opera. A few years ago the game was full of epic-scale conflicts, fraught with stories about espionage, betrayal, massive wars, alliances crumbling, constant power-shifts. No other game offers this experience; EVE is so grand in scope on the social level that's it's actually breathtaking. No other game has such high-level player interaction. No other game can generate such a huge amount of player-driven news, tales of bravery, intuition, foolishness and luck.
And then suddenly, it all stopped. The ridiculous imbalance of super capitals turned nullsec into a cold war, and made an alliance's power based on who had more, rather than who could come up with sound strategies, well FC'd fleets. The most notable example of this is the DRF moving into the north. They're famed for their incompetence in subcap fleets, but the DRF had more supers and the NC was powerless to resist them. Losing a fight because you were out-manoeuvred, out-played or out-strategized is fun. Losing a fight because of a broken game mechanic or imbalance is not.
The same is echoed everywhere else. PvP is becoming stagnant in lowsec because there's just no-one around. FW used to be fun but there's less and less active pilots everyday. FiS has had so little love recently that it's become stagnant and even PvP has lost its touch. Fighting always used to get my heart racing; that edge-of-the-seat feeling when you know you could easily die but you still had a chance of winning - going into a fight completely unsure of the outcome used to be such a rush. But now I'm becoming desensitized to it and it just doesn't produce the same feelings.
EVE is the only game that's ever had the ability to bring me to the extremes of emotions - the joy of first entering nullsec, getting my first Raven, my first PvP fleet back in the glory days of IAC, my first solokill in lowsec. The frustration of losing my first battleship, losing my first pirate implant close, every time I lose a fight that I was so close to winning... no other game can create such compelling experiences. But lately EVE has just stopped being as fun as it used to be. These experiences are few and far between, and it's slowly making me want to stop playing. I don't log in nearly as much as I used to because the tedium is completely unbearable.
EVE is a game that has always had unrealised potential, but it only really set in with Incarna. The expansion offered nothing in terms of gameplay, and it doesn't add nearly enough value to the game for the resources that have gone into it. If that time had been spent on spaceships then the game could be so much more and it's frustrating to think about.
Basically CCP, this is a sincere request from a long-term fan for you to not **** this up. For lack of a better word I love this explosion simulator/spreadsheet/epic space opera and I want to play it. I want the old tales that players would spend hours telling. I want to be enthralled, frustrated, angered, excited, scared, all the emotions EVE used to be able to produce, because the apathy that's replaced it just isn't fun.
- KFenn
P.S. Sorry for wall of text, kinda got a little caught up.
Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade
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