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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.03 11:03:00 -
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Wait for it!
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.03 11:06:00 -
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(>'o')>-(I snipe this the OP is still an Idiot)
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.03 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 03/09/2010 12:47:13
Ok. Would anyone care to explain how this thread got 11 pages in one day? It's not like the idea is new or original.
BTW, I'm against the change of cloaking OP suggested, but that's my personal preference.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.03 12:57:00 -
[304]
 Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 03/09/2010 12:47:13
Ok. Would anyone care to explain how this thread got 11 pages in one day? It's not like the idea is new or original.
BTW, I'm against the change of cloaking OP suggested, but that's my personal preference.
Because the OP would not shut up, everyone started calling his alliance fail, there soverenty was made public.
The OP continued bein an idiot till one of his Directors came on and skull F*cked him publicly. It was pretty funny, it's on page 8.
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Darth Annihilator
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Posted - 2010.09.03 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Annihilator on 03/09/2010 13:35:41
just skimmed this, obvious more than a few here don't know what a cov-ops hotdrop is so:
* get in a cov-ops alt with covert cyno gen, cloak up in enemy system, go to work/bed/on holiday...
* scan for ratters/miners whenever you can be bothered, 24 hours is usually enough for at least someone to start ignoring you.
* if you find one get close, tackle, light cyno, drop however many black ops you need (x2 for safety) on his ass, gank him and jump out/cloak up again.
eg. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7456192
not many players will rat/mine in a system after a couple of those (unless there's a dozen or more active allies in system, in which case just choose another system.) so you can cripple a system even when you're afk (evil chuckle)
it's a no lose - if there's more reds than you can handle you just stay cloaked, or get a bigger gank squad.
it's eve remember - if you end up in a fair fight something's gone wrong.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.09.03 13:55:00 -
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no mwd
no neut
no ecm drones
yes he deserved to die. he could have survived with being a bit smarter.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.09.03 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rhadia
Well, sorry, but this really isn't "part of the game". Followed by personal stuff.
Sorry, but it really is. As far as the rest of that post is concerned, meh.
Don't take this place too seriously or personally. 
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
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wiersma
Caldari
Exo corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.03 17:20:00 -
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Why, Because OP cant catch a cloacked ship ?
cloaking is fine as it is. griefers use any game mechanics at their disposal.
for example. canflipping. and the biggest of all Hulkageddon.
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.09.03 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Rhadia
Well, sorry, but this really isn't "part of the game". Followed by personal stuff.
Sorry, but it really is. As far as the rest of that post is concerned, meh.
Don't take this place too seriously or personally.
Not that I expect a response but I would really love to see a moderator tell you otherwise. Though I doubt the existence of them.
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Xorv
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Posted - 2010.09.03 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rajheen Orlox
Come on CCP, surely you can admit that almost everyone is sick and tired of being locked down by some griefer in a system when in this game there are many ways available to give us skillsets that can make the balance a little more even.
you mean "almost everyone" who lives in Nullsec but wants it to be like High Sec, only safer.
Here's my alternate fixes:
* Remove Local Chat from Nullsec.
* Add more gates into Nullsec, less choke points.
* Tripple the range on Black Ops Cyno Jumps.
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.09.03 21:47:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Xorv
Originally by: Rajheen Orlox
Come on CCP, surely you can admit that almost everyone is sick and tired of being locked down by some griefer in a system when in this game there are many ways available to give us skillsets that can make the balance a little more even.
you mean "almost everyone" who lives in Nullsec but wants it to be like High Sec, only safer.
Here's my alternate fixes:
* Remove Local Chat from Nullsec.
* Add more gates into Nullsec, less choke points.
* Tripple the range on Black Ops Cyno Jumps.
While you're at it, why don't you ask for every field command ship in the game to also be able to use CovOps Cloaks, field fighters, and give them the ability to use CovOps Jump Bridges without using fuel locking onto a cyno. Also, they can kill people in Empire without getting concorded.
Sorry, but there's a lot of people who want to see Local removed, but idiots like you are going to be the ones keeping it from happening.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente
The Executives
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.05 06:40:00 -
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It's threads like this that make me want to warp up the ol' Stealth Bomber for a special trip to OP's space.
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w0rmy
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2010.09.05 07:02:00 -
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I see dumb people! 
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.09.05 11:14:00 -
[314]
Edited by: Torothanax on 05/09/2010 11:15:30
Originally by: Darth Annihilator
Edited by: Darth Annihilator on 03/09/2010 13:35:41
just skimmed this, obvious more than a few here don't know what a cov-ops hotdrop is so:
* get in a cov-ops alt with covert cyno gen, cloak up in enemy system, go to work/bed/on holiday...
* scan for ratters/miners whenever you can be bothered, 24 hours is usually enough for at least someone to start ignoring you.
* if you find one get close, tackle, light cyno, drop however many black ops you need (x2 for safety) on his ass, gank him and jump out/cloak up again.
eg. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7456192
not many players will rat/mine in a system after a couple of those (unless there's a dozen or more active allies in system, in which case just choose another system.) so you can cripple a system even when you're afk (evil chuckle)
it's a no lose - if there's more reds than you can handle you just stay cloaked, or get a bigger gank squad.
it's eve remember - if you end up in a fair fight something's gone wrong.
Originally by: darius mclever
no mwd
no neut
no ecm drones
yes he deserved to die. he could have survived with being a bit smarter.
So these are required pvp fittings again? I though we were moving away from cookie cutter setups. This isn't eve 2004.
It was 7 on one, he got hotdropped. His setup didn't matter. Yup, the invincibility provided by cloaking didn't help set that gank up at all. No sir. He was perfectly safe ignoring that afk cloaker.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.09.05 11:43:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Torothanax
Edited by: Torothanax on 05/09/2010 11:15:30
Originally by: Darth Annihilator
Edited by: Darth Annihilator on 03/09/2010 13:35:41
just skimmed this, obvious more than a few here don't know what a cov-ops hotdrop is so:
* get in a cov-ops alt with covert cyno gen, cloak up in enemy system, go to work/bed/on holiday...
* scan for ratters/miners whenever you can be bothered, 24 hours is usually enough for at least someone to start ignoring you.
* if you find one get close, tackle, light cyno, drop however many black ops you need (x2 for safety) on his ass, gank him and jump out/cloak up again.
eg. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7456192
not many players will rat/mine in a system after a couple of those (unless there's a dozen or more active allies in system, in which case just choose another system.) so you can cripple a system even when you're afk (evil chuckle)
it's a no lose - if there's more reds than you can handle you just stay cloaked, or get a bigger gank squad.
it's eve remember - if you end up in a fair fight something's gone wrong.
Originally by: darius mclever
no mwd
no neut
no ecm drones
yes he deserved to die. he could have survived with being a bit smarter.
So these are required pvp fittings again? I though we were moving away from cookie cutter setups. This isn't eve 2004.
It was 7 on one, he got hotdropped. His setup didn't matter. Yup, the invincibility provided by cloaking didn't help set that gank up at all. No sir. He was perfectly safe ignoring that afk cloaker.
you are really that stupid ... the cyno ship isnt exactly fast ... so he could have easily burned out of point range and get a chance to get out. if he neuted it while burning away, he might have gotten rid of the point even before being 20-24k away. same if he had put some ec-300s on the pilgrim. using those he might have gotten out, with his fit he is dead meat. but thank you for your valuable contribution!
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.09.05 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
you are really that stupid ... the cyno ship isnt exactly fast ... so he could have easily burned out of point range and get a chance to get out. if he neuted it while burning away, he might have gotten rid of the point even before being 20-24k away. same if he had put some ec-300s on the pilgrim. using those he might have gotten out, with his fit he is dead meat. but thank you for your valuable contribution!
Personal attacks already? You really did miss me didn't you? Aw, that's sweet.
It's not possible for a recon to fit a scramber is it? Even a large neut takes an apreciable amount of time to drain a recon's cap; and it's just absolutely not possible to time a cap injector to inject right before the scram cycles, is it? We all know tacklers never ever fit a web right? Yeah sure ecm drones would have given him a chance to jam the tackler, but it's a small one. If a hot drop is done right, the target has almost no time to react. He could have fit multi spec ecm as well for a "chance". Are you really going to base your arguement on ecm? That's the trump card that makes afk cloaking useless? How much does he have to gimp his set for a chance to survive a losing battle?
The problem wasn't his set up. Sure it was pure pve, but a pvp set up wouldn't have saved him. The problem is there is no viable counter to cloaks. Complete safety. This enables anyone to post a threat in any system they want 23/7, with no effort.
Most of the trolls in this thread are left overs from the nano crowd behind a new cause.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.09.05 14:08:00 -
[317]
loool this crap thread got 11 pages within 3 days???
LMAO
@OP: cloaks are fine, afk cloakers are fine, nothing to fix.
I understand, failpets dont like afk cloakers since they HAVE only a limited number of solar systems but... its the way the game is played. if you dont like it go back to empire.
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Mr Digs
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.06 13:20:00 -
[318]
epic thread is epic.
EVE time codes 60 Days EvE Game Time |
Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:11:00 -
[319]
I like epic stuff
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Allestin Villimar
Zebra Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:31:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Robert Caldera
@OP: cloaks are fine, afk cloakers are fine, nothing to fix.
That's why there's a million threads about this subject in the forum. Clearly everything is fine. 
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0ne
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.07 10:03:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Originally by: Robert Caldera
@OP: cloaks are fine, afk cloakers are fine, nothing to fix.
That's why there's a million threads about this subject in the forum. Clearly everything is fine.
There are millions of threads about ninja salvaging too. Clearl....oh wait
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Nuts Nougat
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.09.07 10:14:00 -
[322]
Originally by: 0ne
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Originally by: Robert Caldera
@OP: cloaks are fine, afk cloakers are fine, nothing to fix.
That's why there's a million threads about this subject in the forum. Clearly everything is fine.
There are millions of threads about ninja salvaging too. Clearl....oh wait
Didn't want to bump these threads till now but ****ing this people. Give it a break already.
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gsdlfkjasdlfjsadf
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Posted - 2010.09.07 15:16:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Robert Caldera
loool this crap thread got 11 pages within 3 days???
LMAO
@OP: cloaks are fine, afk cloakers are fine, nothing to fix.
I understand, failpets dont like afk cloakers since they HAVE only a limited number of solar systems but... its the way the game is played. if you dont like it go back to empire.
It isn't about weak alliances with limited systems, the OP's alliance has plenty of non-camped system. It is a simple MMO gaming principle that no AFK technique should be very effective and without risk. This one is very effective at shutting down efficient use of an entire system, and carries almost no risk (meaning there is almost zero chance of getting decloaked and killed while AFK).
If CCP chooses not to act I think it will only be because there probably isn't all that much AFK cloaky camping going on in the game because the tactic requires a player to tie up an entire account for days, and requires a decent blackops squad. You're right too that it probably isn't very effective at all against alliances with lots of systems. But just because it is a small problem doesn't mean it is balanced. It is crippling against certain kinds of operations, such as trying to maintain an industry 5 system.
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Creepy CousinRoger
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Posted - 2010.09.07 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: gsdlfkjasdlfjsadf
Originally by: Robert Caldera
loool this crap thread got 11 pages within 3 days???
LMAO
@OP: cloaks are fine, afk cloakers are fine, nothing to fix.
I understand, failpets dont like afk cloakers since they HAVE only a limited number of solar systems but... its the way the game is played. if you dont like it go back to empire.
It isn't about weak alliances with limited systems, the OP's alliance has plenty of non-camped system. It is a simple MMO gaming principle that no AFK technique should be very effective and without risk. This one is very effective at shutting down efficient use of an entire system, and carries almost no risk (meaning there is almost zero chance of getting decloaked and killed while AFK).
If CCP chooses not to act I think it will only be because there probably isn't all that much AFK cloaky camping going on in the game because the tactic requires a player to tie up an entire account for days, and requires a decent blackops squad. You're right too that it probably isn't very effective at all against alliances with lots of systems. But just because it is a small problem doesn't mean it is balanced. It is crippling against certain kinds of operations, such as trying to maintain an industry 5 system.
Make it a little for obvious you are an alt of the OP why don't ya 
The real problem isn't 'AFK' cloakers, it's the people who are too lazy to pay attention all the time. Admit it.
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Nuts Nougat
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.09.07 16:08:00 -
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Remove local. Problem gone.
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Tigobitty
Caldari
Australian Mining and industry Corp
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.09.07 19:24:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 02/09/2010 13:11:59
a red-nosed clown ship is entirely irrelevant.
oh what I would give to have a Cloaky Red-Nosed Clown Ship.
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.09.07 21:10:00 -
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a 2 hour timer is waaay to easy to circumvent with a keyboard macro/timer.
Cloak harassment should be a valid tactic, but AFK'ing 95% of the time is BS.
One way this could be defended is to have a pos module (like a system scanning array), that can decloak everything system-wide. You can make it have certain requirements so you cant have one at any pos, and have a high refresh time so it could be cycled every 15-mins, 1 hr, etc... That way an alliance can defend certain systems from AFK cloaking, but not active at the keyboard cloaking..
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.09.07 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rastigan
a 2 hour timer is waaay to easy to circumvent with a keyboard macro/timer.
Cloak harassment should be a valid tactic, but AFK'ing 95% of the time is BS.
One way this could be defended is to have a pos module (like a system scanning array), that can decloak everything system-wide. You can make it have certain requirements so you cant have one at any pos, and have a high refresh time so it could be cycled every 15-mins, 1 hr, etc... That way an alliance can defend certain systems from AFK cloaking, but not active at the keyboard cloaking..
sov holder definitely need more advantages.
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.07 21:29:00 -
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I once agreed with the OP, even started a thread about it just like this one. But there will be no change to cloaking mechanics just because you are afraid of one silent red in system. Sorry, but its just not gonna happen.
My first corp was given a station just 3 jumps from the last Red Alliance system way back in the times when they were almost destroyed. We were 0.0 noobs and thought we could mine and rat forever. RA kept a cloaky in system 23/7, and anytime we organized any activity a fleet would form up, travel the 3 jumps to us and kill us. It was quite annoying and 'undefeatable'.
CCP urged us to use 'in game mechanics' to solve our problem. We emo-raged and argued but to no avail. Now, years later, I realize that they were correct.
Here's what you do:
- Use the mining op as bait and kill the incomming attackers. Beat them well and often and they stop comming.
- Kill the Alliance the cloaky belongs to.
- Negoatiate with Terrorists and make a deal with the red cloaky Alliance.
- Go back to WoW.
Any of the above will permanently solve your cloaky problem. Man up and use one.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2010.09.07 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Gibbo3771 on 07/09/2010 23:20:02
AFK Cloaker in system?.....
Move 1 system along, problem solved. Stupid ****
Whats so hard about leaving your little carebear hub, I would hate to see you people when the sun comes through the window
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