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Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:26:00 - [121] (>'o')>-(I snipe this, The Ops an Idiot!) -- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist
Doddy The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:32:00 - [122] Maybe they could do some sort of cloak nerf if they got rid of local and nerfed the directional scanner as well, otherwise you are just making the ridiculously safe ratting proffession even more so. As it is at the moment you have to be pretty fail to die ratting. I have to ask have you done anything to try and deal with these cloakers? Set a trap perhaps? Or simply rat in a cheap set up which you know can kill the cyno-ship (which will be immobile and horribly vulnerable) thereby winning the isk war? Do you align while ratting? A maneuverable ship will warp before a recon can lock (thanks to the cloaking device penalty) while bombers are paper thin and one volley will kill one that has activated cyno. Or fit a smartbomb boat with MWD and race to the cyno and blast anything which comes through. Or have your own cloaker sitting waiting for a cloaker to uncloak ad hot drop the hot drop. Really the possibilities are endless much like anything else in this game. If you are saying a gang of 6 or 7 people flying expensive fitted t2 cov-ops pvp ships spending a large amount of time waiting for a suitable target to ambush shouldn't be able to attack your cookie cutter npcer then you just don't get eve.
King Gore The Church of Sentcha	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:43:00 - [123] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox Edited by: Rajheen Orlox on 02/09/2010 04:52:03 Originally by: Vaal Erit AFK cloaking only works against noob fail alliances. These alliances are full of massively fail dolts that will not cooperate with their alliance or anyone else really. They don't get into intel channels, they don't use voice comms, they just go around 0.0 pve'ing solo in stupidly expensive fit ships and die while anyone with a couple of brain cells do not. You could easily have a few members get into recon ships or into a counter drop squad or god forbid actually gather in a group for safety and do PvE activities. But no, you are too greedy to do such things. You want to solo in your carrier in 0.0 and do sanctums risk-free. If a hostile ever comes into local, you dock up and/or log. AFK cloaking evolved as a tactic because it was the only method available to catch a lot of 0.0 residents. If you live in 0.0 you should have to fight for it. This is EVE, this is 0.0, this is conflict, this is pvp. If you cannot handle it then HTFU or GTFO. What a load of absolute rot. You would have that we have to play the game in your way and turn ourselves into little regiments that you insist will make us all better? It doesnt matter what plans you make or prepare against Cloaky-Griefers you cannot call it even when one player has the ability to destroy so much gameplay for so many people because an ommision in game play mechanichs balancing has given him an inestimable advantage. All your tough talk and spouting is no reason to have a mechanic that is totally utterly one sided in the game. If I were to bring several dozen ships in to reveal a Cloaky-Griefer who is to say that we could ever have him reveal himself? You talk B**ocks. Raj. runs a locator on Rajheen Orlox* See you soon!
DNSBLACK Gallente Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:51:00 - [124] Correct me if Iam wrong. AFK = Away From Keyboard. Unless an eve player has found a way to pvp away from their key board then I have a hard time understanding how a AFK person can kill you. About all he can do is disturb your sense of security. The other thing i dont understand is how you know he is AFK if the only time you see him is when he is killing you with his friends. Matter fact I cant remeber a time ever in this game that I died to a afk player. So what you are saying is you are dieing to a PVP macro. LOL. So now we have macro miners, macro ratters and macro pvpers. Iam fed up with AFK+ people in JITA, AFK MINERS, AFK RATTERS, AFK MARKET TRADERS, AFK MISSION RUNNERS, AFK GATE CAMPERS, AFK GRIEFERS, AFK NINJA SALVAGERS, ok lets just rap this up AFK PLAYERS IN EVE. LOL I hope you see your argument is not against cloakers but AFKERS. Now CCP give us game skills so we can detect AFKERS. Or better yet declare AFKING an exploit and band them. Challenge yourself and learn to play eve it is a hard game and that is what we enjoy.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 13:58:00 - [125] Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 02/09/2010 11:29:24 Don't like the cloaky guy in your system, get in a ship bait him with a fleet of your friends. From your US TZ FC.. GL HF. Thats Rich!! Because you cant and don't do anything either! I repeat there is NO way to defeat a Cloaky Greifer and I will pay any one a billion isk to PROVE there is a methed that works to reveal a random Cloaky Griefers position. Come on clever guys your so abundant in here. Now tell us all what your empty arguments are really worth I have 9 bil in my account and want to give a bil away. No silly stupid comments or ignorance that will never work just a proven method. Because there is none. You cannot defeat something as unbalanced as Cloaky griefing. Raj.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:06:00 - [126] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox I repeat there is NO way to defeat a Cloaky Greifer Yes there is: don't let him grief you. It's really that simple. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:10:00 - [127] this thread has griefed me more than an AFK Cloaker has griefed you. click here
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:10:00 - [128] Originally by: Scott Ryder Originally by: Kireiina It is poor game design that a cloaked ship can project force while AFK with no practical means of retaliation. Either there should be some way of tracking down a poor or AFK cloaker or the cloak effect needs some sort of maximum duration. But, eh, it's CCP so maybe they'll do something about it in a couple of years. Either that or people could stop whining about it and playing the game as it is? If we play the game as it is it will NEVER get better, thankfully, stooges like yourself have no say in the ongoing development of this game. Raj.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:12:00 - [129] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox Originally by: Scott Ryder Originally by: Kireiina It is poor game design that a cloaked ship can project force while AFK with no practical means of retaliation. Either there should be some way of tracking down a poor or AFK cloaker or the cloak effect needs some sort of maximum duration. But, eh, it's CCP so maybe they'll do something about it in a couple of years. Either that or people could stop whining about it and playing the game as it is? If we play the game as it is it will NEVER get better, thankfully, stooges like yourself have no say in the ongoing development of this game. Raj. Thankfully CCP doesn't make design decisions based on your need to play a single player game. Go back to high sec and whine about ninja salvagers. click here
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:13:00 - [130] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox Originally by: Scott Ryder Originally by: Kireiina It is poor game design that a cloaked ship can project force while AFK with no practical means of retaliation. Either there should be some way of tracking down a poor or AFK cloaker or the cloak effect needs some sort of maximum duration. But, eh, it's CCP so maybe they'll do something about it in a couple of years. Either that or people could stop whining about it and playing the game as it is? If we play the game as it is it will NEVER get better, thankfully, stooges like yourself have no say in the ongoing development of this game. Raj. And you think you do, when CCP looks at this there gonna see your tears, pat each other on the back and go back to work on important things! -- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:14:00 - [131] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Rajheen Orlox I repeat there is NO way to defeat a Cloaky Greifer Yes there is: don't let him grief you. It's really that simple. This is just a sound byte worthless in actual content and not applicable to the fact that Cloaks are utterly imbalanced and that they are the only tactic in the game other players can do NOTHING about. (Including yourself..) If you are never concerned about a Cloaked ship in 0.0 then you are a fool or a liar. Raj.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:15:00 - [132] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Rajheen Orlox I repeat there is NO way to defeat a Cloaky Greifer Yes there is: don't let him grief you. It's really that simple. This is just a sound byte worthless in actual content and not applicable to the fact that Cloaks are utterly imbalanced and that they are the only tactic in the game other players can do NOTHING about. (Including yourself..) If you are never concerned about a Cloaked ship in 0.0 then you are a fool or a liar. Raj. We are concerned, we just don't wet ourselves and cry on the forums. Has someone suggested wormholes for you yet? -- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:16:00 - [133] Originally by: Riedle this thread has griefed me more than an AFK Cloaker has griefed you. All the idiots defending the undefendable Grief me too. The idiots slinging abuse are a laugh though. hehe :) Raj.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:17:00 - [134] I, for one, am surprised that the OP, whining about a valid game mechanic and wants it changed just for him, seems unable to brook any criticism of his idea as it were. ego much? lol click here
Loki Sei	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:18:00 - [135] Edited by: Loki Sei on 02/09/2010 14:19:25 Want to talk about unbalanced, I spend all this Isk on a cloaky ship, invest the skills to be able to have you not see me, and CCP requires me to plug into every local channel in 0.0 where they dont even have any authority. I want a skill set, or maybe a team skill set, where we as a fleet can, despite the ships we are in, not have to plug into local. I mean there is no way to counter your omnipotent, intelligence gather device that CCP enforces with no authority. OP, stop trying to turn 0.0 into your personal sandbox and realize that the game does not revolve around you. Don't like the fact a Cloaky ship can ruin your Isk making potential, move back to high sec.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:18:00 - [136] Originally by: Alara IonStorm This is just a sound byte worthless in actual content and not applicable to the fact that Cloaks are utterly imbalanced and that they are the only tactic in the game other players can do NOTHING about. (Including yourself..) If you are never concerned about a Cloaked ship in 0.0 then you are a fool or a liar. Raj. We are concerned, we just don't wet ourselves and cry on the forums. Has someone suggested wormholes for you yet? Im neither wetting nor crying, but its good to see you living up to your unusually low heights :) Cant think of a reason to earn yourself a billion yet? Raj.
Destruct0	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:20:00 - [137] I think we should all bring 1 cloaky ship to the op's home system. Who's with me? :P
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:21:00 - [138] Originally by: Destruct0 I think we should all bring 1 cloaky ship to the op's home system. Who's with me? :P We need to create an alt corp for this purpose. Everytime someone creates a thread on this, boom 50 AFK stealthbombers in his home system! -- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:24:00 - [139] Originally by: Loki Sei Edited by: Loki Sei on 02/09/2010 14:19:25 Want to talk about unbalanced, I spend all this Isk on a cloaky ship, invest the skills to be able to have you not see me, and CCP requires me to plug into every local channel in 0.0 where they dont even have any authority. I want a skill set, or maybe a team skill set, where we as a fleet can, despite the ships we are in, not have to plug into local. I mean there is no way to counter your omnipotent, intelligence gather device that CCP enforces with no authority. OP, stop trying to turn 0.0 into your personal sandbox and realize that the game does not revolve around you. Don't like the fact a Cloaky ship can ruin your Isk making potential, move back to high sec. I see your point and have no problem with "intelligence gathering.." but you have some requirements first. You need actual intelligence. Why you should be allowed to flourish using the one thing in the game that is unbeatable by design and more likely ommission creating just plain imbalance. All I am asking for is balance. All you are asking for is status quo. So want a game advantage that should not be there. Raj.
Riverbane	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:25:00 - [140] Simple solution, require cloaking modules to require alot of cap to keep running. If those people are PVP fit then they will only be able to remained cloaked for 5-10mins at a time forcing them to what they fit their ship for and what they went out to do - PVP. If they stay in the system too long while cloaked they will be vulnerable and be able to be hunted down and killed. If they want to perma cloak in a system they still can but will be forced put a bunch mods on to become cap stable thus making them worthless pvp wise. It would force people to learn how to fly their cloaky ship vs thinking they are awsome at pvp because they sat afk in a system for 5hrs and killed a solo hulk
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:26:00 - [141] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Destruct0 I think we should all bring 1 cloaky ship to the op's home system. Who's with me? :P We need to create an alt corp for this purpose. Everytime someone creates a thread on this, boom 50 AFK stealthbombers in his home system! Do it! CCP would HAVE to start taking notice of that kind of crap wouldnt they! Your becoming lower than your proverbial sausage dog. Nice one! Raj.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:28:00 - [142] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 02/09/2010 14:29:39 Originally by: Riverbane Simple solution, require cloaking modules to require alot of cap to keep running. If those people are PVP fit then they will only be able to remained cloaked for 5-10mins at a time forcing them to what they fit their ship for and what they went out to do - PVP. If they stay in the system too long while cloaked they will be vulnerable and be able to be hunted down and killed. If they want to perma cloak in a system they still can but will be forced put a bunch mods on to become cap stable thus making them worthless pvp wise. It would force people to learn how to fly their cloaky ship vs thinking they are awsome at pvp because they sat afk in a system for 5hrs and killed a solo hulk It will make them to vunrible to Nuets. Especially the Pilgram, nuets are it's biggest weapon. Also the Falcon, it needs Cap to run ECM. Edit: Also for the post above me, CCP would definatly notice, just like they noticed Hulkageddon... Oh Wait! -- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:33:00 - [143] Wow Don't worry OP...it will all get balanced when local gets nerfed and then you won't have to worry about seeing those nasty little red minus types in nullsec local ever again. Until they decloak in your anom/belt and kill you some more. I love these threads. Maybe OP should take the billion he is offering and use it to pay for his alliance mates to protect him from the evil boogie woogie man
Loki Sei	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:35:00 - [144] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox Originally by: Loki Sei Edited by: Loki Sei on 02/09/2010 14:19:25 Want to talk about unbalanced, I spend all this Isk on a cloaky ship, invest the skills to be able to have you not see me, and CCP requires me to plug into every local channel in 0.0 where they dont even have any authority. I want a skill set, or maybe a team skill set, where we as a fleet can, despite the ships we are in, not have to plug into local. I mean there is no way to counter your omnipotent, intelligence gather device that CCP enforces with no authority. OP, stop trying to turn 0.0 into your personal sandbox and realize that the game does not revolve around you. Don't like the fact a Cloaky ship can ruin your Isk making potential, move back to high sec. I see your point and have no problem with "intelligence gathering.." but you have some requirements first. You need actual intelligence. Why you should be allowed to flourish using the one thing in the game that is unbeatable by design and more likely ommission creating just plain imbalance. All I am asking for is balance. All you are asking for is status quo. So want a game advantage that should not be there. Raj. Fixed your inabilty to not quote properly. I am not against change, but what are you willing to give up to make your change? You have offered no solution other then "fix it". This AFK cloaker tactic has arisen in response to the inordiante number of people lured to 0.0 by promise of 20 anomolies, 6/10 plexs, and ore belts loaded with ABC roids. Now said people want to be "left alone" to make their isk. Sorry, you aren't going to be left alone. The people employing this tactic are looking for stupid people with high sec habits that do things you should not do in 0.0 Want to be safe, forget it. So offer a solution that does not simply tilt the field in your favor with an unlimted ability to know the second anyone comes in your system (or neighboring systems if you have proper scouts in place), AND the ability to find anyone in a cloak. Otherwise my vote is to let you have a I-HUB improvement that lets you scan down cloaked ships with a 2 hours cycle time, and it causes local chat to fail.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:36:00 - [145] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox This is just a sound byte worthless in actual content and not applicable to the fact that Cloaks are utterly imbalanced and that they are the only tactic in the game other players can do NOTHING about. (Including yourself..) If you are never concerned about a Cloaked ship in 0.0 then you are a fool or a liar. There is ~~difference~~ a vast yawning chasm between being "concerned about" and being so paralysed by fear that you're actually being griefed by that presence. The latter is something you've chosen, and now you're complaining about your own choice. Not letting them grief you is exactly what you do to defeat them ù it kills their entire purpose dead. And all you have to do to make this happen is: nothing. Just go about your business. When they stop being AFK cloakers, you kill them. Just like you would with anyone else. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:36:00 - [146] "OK, here I am to ask CCP why they won't introduce a mechanism, a skillset that players can use to remove nuisance Cloakers who are only there to ruin the gameplay of other players who are trying to enjoy this game that they pay good money for?" You mean sort of like how gate campers, scammers, macroers, and suicide gankers ruin the gameplay of others who paid good money to play? Go figure. Cold harsh world remember? I agree that it's completely lame gameplay, but so are all those other things.
Myz Toyou APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:37:00 - [147] Edited by: Myz Toyou on 02/09/2010 14:37:24 So we have a 0.0 ex- Golem owner who is mad over his own fault ( his fault = ratting angels in a 1bil ship that could be done in a 50mil ship ) and we have MatrixSkye Mk2, the Robin Hood of all ******ed ppl on tranq, now we miss only Cat o'Ninetails and this thread is complete. @OP: -07/10 Cya in your ratting system
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:38:00 - [148] All those clever sh+ts and not ONE of them can actually come up with a way to defeat a Cloaking Griefer (Reveal his position, trap him, kill him..) because they all KNOW the REAL argument isnt about "Intelligence Gathering" or being a carebear.. It's about them having an exploit that pays them to sit in a system (Usually one without a station.. Maybe a POS or 2..) and put a stop to corp production such as mining and just be there for the unstoppable "Grief" factor. this ruins the game for the majority of players in that system. Why? Because Cloaky Griefing is the only tactic that has NO counter Tactic. They know this. They use this. They profit from it. the game is unalanced for those of us who can do nothing against them. they tell us all there's lots we can do. 1 Billion isk to the person who can reveal a determined Cloaky Griefer succesfully time after time.. As long as the game isn't modiified to fix it, the isk is safe. Raj.
Rajheen Orlox Gallente Vogon Construction Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:42:00 - [149] Originally by: Myz Toyou Edited by: Myz Toyou on 02/09/2010 14:37:24 So we have a 0.0 ex- Golem owner who is mad over his own fault ( his fault = ratting angels in a 1bil ship that could be done in a 50mil ship ) and we have MatrixSkye Mk2, the Robin Hood of all ******ed ppl on tranq, now we miss only Cat o'Ninetails and this thread is complete. @OP: -07/10 Cya in your ratting system Im not mad over the Golem that was nothing to do with Cloaking. I'm just mad at the regular use of Cloaky Griefing. It exploits a bad imbalance of the Cloaking mod. Namely that it runs forever and there is no way of eventually beating it. I'd love a shield or armor that has these same magical qualities. Raj.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.02 14:46:00 - [150] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox All those clever sh+ts and not ONE of them can actually come up with a way to defeat a Cloaking Griefer False. Quote: It's about them having an exploit False. Quote: that pays them to sit in a system [à] and put a stop to corp production such as mining and just be there for the unstoppable "Grief" factor. False. Quote: this ruins the game for the majority of players in that system. Their choice. Quote: Because Cloaky Griefing is the only tactic that has NO counter Tactic. False. Just because you ignore everything that has been said in this thread doesn't make any of your claims true. There are counters ù you just stubbornly refuse to make use of them. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

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