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Victor Valka Caldari Endoxa Corporation	Posted - 2010.09.02 07:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Bhattran I'm going to become a cloaky griefer because they apparently are invulnerable. /cloaks in your system... Me 2 Room for one more? Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Lady Isabell Amarr Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.02 07:32:00 - [62] This was discussed at FanFest 2009. The idea was to have cloaking devices use an ice product, the amount per cycle used was up for debate and I believe it was suggested that it should be based upon the mass of the ship. I have no idea what the current status is or if this will ever be implemented.
Millur Minmatar Blue Sun Mining and Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.09.02 07:42:00 - [63] Can I haz your stuff? Cloaking annoyances signing out -------------------------------------------------- Meh... fock it
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.02 07:43:00 - [64] I suggest we boost cloaking. Every time someone cloaks in your system you get a message: "Booo! I am scary and I just cloaked. You do not know if I will kill you in my gimped ship with horrible lock time, or a fragile covops! Even though I am probably not here. Run! Scurry! Flee! You are not safe!" And then automatically set that persons autopilot to the nearest high sec system. _______________________ Drink Eau du Nichup«, the taste of heaven. Now available as Nichup Citrus« as well!
cheet sheet	Posted - 2010.09.02 07:55:00 - [65] This is all about YOU. cry cry one AFK cloaker get a mate and rat with hin and work as a team in this MMO. "Come on CCP, surely you can admit that almost everyone is sick and tired of being locked down" No im ok with it.
Ejit Amarr The Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 08:42:00 - [66] An afk cloaker fix would have repercussions throughout EVE. As invariably said cloaker is usually a Russian who drops and alt in system, cloaks then proceeds to farm lvl 4's all day on numerous other accounts for his RMT'ing mafia employer.
Aloe Cloveris The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2010.09.02 09:13:00 - [67] No.
Hauling Hal	Posted - 2010.09.02 09:20:00 - [68] Edited by: Hauling Hal on 02/09/2010 09:23:58 I think the OP has got confused. I don't see how a cloaked ship affects anything in the game at all. As for 'no defence' against it, I find 'ignoring them' to be pretty effective. A cloaked ship does not prevent you from undocking, I think you will find that the Undock button still works the same as it did before the cloaked ship came into system. If your actual issue is a cloaked ship uncloaking and attacking you, then please say so. If there is a single cloaked ship that you are afraid may uncloak and attack you, all you need is to put some defensive ships near his prospective targets. p.s. My Harbinger will lock a Nemesis in under 2 seconds and one-shot kill it from 28 Km. Out of interest, how does the effect of an AFK cloaker differ from the effect on your game of an non-aligned, AFK Inty pilot travelling at 4 km/s or faster? I think your issue may actually be that you want a visible AFK flag (or do you just like trolling?). So what is the actual issue please?
Onyc Noziroh Caldari Altless	Posted - 2010.09.02 09:30:00 - [69] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox I can smell your distaste at the thought of losing an easy income. You're the one complaining about losing your risk-free income. Aligned + local chat is just as unbeatable. Yet both ratters and AFK cloakers die all the time in 0.0
ZenSun Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.09.02 09:53:00 - [70] Originally by: Octavene Ares Edited by: Octavene Ares on 02/09/2010 03:53:48 /emote gets out the popcorn and beer P.S. in before the trolls get here *edit: Damnit! Eww, beer and popcorn?

Jareck Hunter Rubicon Legion	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:05:00 - [71] Edited by: Jareck Hunter on 02/09/2010 10:08:23 Edited by: Jareck Hunter on 02/09/2010 10:06:01 Originally by: Hauling Hal Edited by: Hauling Hal on 02/09/2010 09:23:58 I think the OP has got confused. I don't see how a cloaked ship affects anything in the game at all. As for 'no defence' against it, I find 'ignoring them' to be pretty effective. If there is a single cloaked ship that you are afraid may uncloak and attack you, all you need is to put some defensive ships near his prospective targets. p.s. My Harbinger will lock a Nemesis in under 2 seconds and one-shot kill it from 28 Km. Out of interest, how does the effect of an AFK cloaker differ from the effect on your game of an non-aligned, AFK Inty pilot travelling at 4 km/s or faster? I think your issue may actually be that you want a visible AFK flag (or do you just like trolling?). So what is the actual issue please? Ignoring them, good tip. When he decloaks next to you and warp scramles you, you can not ignore it and warp away^^. Or when he opens a cyno someday and a nice fleet hotdrops you. Oh i love those people that alsways say get some protection, i think those people just love to stand next to a carebear and sitting there doing nothing while the "hostile" is safe and afk. Sounds fun, right? The issue is that you can't kill a cloaked ship at a safespot, if i'm wrong please tell me how. And cause of the fact that they can sit there 23/7 afk and only get decloaked when they want, gives you no chance to kill them during that time. So the old meme of "if you undock you risk your ship" doesn't work for afk cloaked ships. You all like killing ships in space or? The Op only ask for a way to kill somebody who should be killable when he undocks and sits somewhere afk. Indus shouln't fly afk throug empire, why should somebody in 0.0 be safer? Maybe a special scanning array, that can be placed somewhere in the system, which finds cloaked ships could help. But it has to be destroyable and we would get a new target for small gang pvp.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:14:00 - [72] Originally by: Jareck Hunter Ignoring them, good tip. When he decloaks next to you and warp scramles youà àthen you blow him up. Oh andà Quote: i think those people just love to stand next to a carebear and sitting there doing nothing while the "hostile" is safe and afk. àhe's not AFK either. Quote: So the old meme of "if you undock you risk your ship" doesn't work for afk cloaked ships. Sure it does. He didn't just teleport there, and he can't do anything while he's there. The instant he's of any threat or use whatsoever, he's at risk.
Freyya Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:24:00 - [73] Edited by: Freyya on 02/09/2010 10:26:54 it's been said probably a bazillion times already but here goes nothing. If there's an AFK cloaker in your system here's what you do; 1: form up a fleet and start mining in numbers with combat ships around. Threat resolved since not a single cloaky griefer will grief when he has a 99% chance of getting popped. 2: form a fleet and start ratting with combat ships around. Same result as above. 2.1: Bait the hell out of him with a single hulk and combat ships ready to warp in. Don't forget those fast tacklers. 3: If you can't kill an AFK cloaker because he sits in your system 23/7 AFK then don't worry, he can't kill you either because HE'S AFK?! 4: If you're worried about getting hotdropped then don't worry. It usually takes a carrier longer to lock you than for you to initiate warp the second you see a cyno open up. You might even have the time to stick some med drones on the cyno cov ops and kill it before you actually enter warp. A cynoing ship can't do anything you know. 5: If you need to haul your ** then do it with a small fleet of battlecruisers fitted with ecm. You get out, the AFK cloaker gets killed. 6: It's called an MMO for a reason; BRING FRIENDS. Last resort; 7: Ragequit and give a random person your crap if you're not able to do any of the above because you're scared **less you might get ganked or griefed by an AFK griefer who's actually AFK. ___________ NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:25:00 - [74] Solution is simple and balanced. Cloaks should require a crystal that wears out like laser/mining crystals.
Jareck Hunter Rubicon Legion	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:27:00 - [75] I wanna see the killmail when a Hulk killes a Widow^^ Why is he not afk? You don't know. Ah you mean camping all gates leading into your system/space 23/7, yeah good solution... whats the difference to sitting next to your carebears again? Btw somebody will always slip throug. And what about wormholes?^^ The thing of having risk while being afk cloaked has to be explained more i think. And he has a use there and can do something, why can't he? ------------------------------------------------- Sorry for my bad english^^
Stitcher Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:29:00 - [76] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox The mechanic in the gameplay is undefeatable. Well actually it's kind of self-defeating, because if you're AFK then *you're NOT DOING ANYTHING.* Seriously, if they're AFK then it's not the cloaker who's the problem, it's your own cowardice and rampant lack of any kind of testicular or spinal fortitude. Harden. The. F**k. UP! - - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
heheheh Ecliptic Refuge	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:32:00 - [77] how does one guy actually manage to stop you doing anything. ? Its hilarious that these carebear corps have production and everything else they do halted, because of ONE GUY in a cloaked ship. Seriously, One person cannot do anything against a corp alone, you outnumber him so maybe do everything you do in teams instead of solo ? If he cynos people in you can see the cyno, plus you can see them arrive in local, i dont see the problem, if one cloaker scares you and you cant defend yourself you shouldnt even be there, your only paying to log on and do nothing because of your own stupidity.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:34:00 - [78] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox OK, here I am to ask CCP why they won't introduce a mechanism, a skillset that players can use to remove nuisance Cloakers who are only there to ruin the gameplay of other players who are trying to enjoy this game that they pay good money for? Come on CCP, surely you can admit that almost everyone is sick and tired of being locked down by some griefer in a system when in this game there are many ways available to give us skillsets that can make the balance a little more even. Cloaking griefers are not players in the whole sense of the word. They are spoiling the game's strategy because in itself afk cloaking is a strategy that cannot be beaten/defeated at all and that is unfair. You have balanced many other things in the game and for every armor or shield or power supply there is a way to defeat or enhance, but when it comes to cloaking and going afk nothing can be done and many players are throwing good money after bad on this game to log in and find yet again gametime wasted day after day by the same old cloaky-griefers. DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS!! PLEASE!!!! Raj. Stop being stupid. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Mike TheMiner	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:34:00 - [79] How does this one person stop entire corp production ? Only thing i can think of that a cloaker would stop me doing is solo ratting.
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:38:00 - [80] Originally by: Mike TheMiner How does this one person stop entire corp production ? Only thing i can think of that a cloaker would stop me doing is solo ratting. They might use macro ratters/miners with auto-dock functions triggered by unknown people popping up in system :-/ Recruiting.

Neddy Fox Gallente FireStar Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:39:00 - [81] There is no defence against a cloaker, as long as he stays cloked. TRUE. He isn't a threat either. Or didn't you know you can't activate modules when cloaked? There is no defence against a cloaker. FALSE. The moment he uncloaks you can kill him, and any single one of them are pretty paper thin. If you got ****d by a single red in a system full of blues YOU are doing it wrong, not CCP. It's balanced enough, if YOU are putting efford in it.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:54:00 - [82] Originally by: Jareck Hunter I wanna see the killmail when a Hulk killes a Widow^^ Considering the strength of the Widow, I wouldn't be surprisedà And still: that's not a problem with cloaking, but with the miner being alone and unsupported. In other words, it's his problem. Quote: Why is he not afk? You don't know. Yes I do: he uncloaked and turned on his scramblerà Quote: Ah you mean camping all gates leading into your system/space 23/7, yeah good solution... whats the difference to sitting next to your carebears again? Do they pull their weight? Are you actually defending your assets? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Freyya Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2010.09.02 10:56:00 - [83] Originally by: Jareck Hunter @Freya: Thats all nice, but these are only solutions if he attacks, there are no ways to find him and attack him and thats the problem. If somebody is in space he should be killable. If he is inside a pos you can kill the pos first and then the ship (Bubbles to catch him inside). C'mon, seriously? The only threat he poses is when he attacks. If he doesn't attack he's not a threat and you can go about your business. He might be a threat but only when he attacks. When he attacks he's a threat but you're also a threat since you can see and lock him and that makes him less of a threat. You don't need to go and find him, he'll find you and then you've found him. Here's a prime example of how you kill a cloaky afk'er; http://kb.redalliance.ru/index.php?op=kill&id=377333. Be your own cloaky afk'er in system. Ohh and the part of killing a POS and then the ship? You're reaching, srsly, reaching.. ___________ NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:20:00 - [84] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox OK, here I am to ask CCP why they won't introduce a mechanism, a skillset that players can use to remove nuisance Cloakers who are only there to ruin the gameplay of other players who are trying to enjoy this game that they pay good money for? Come on CCP, surely you can admit that almost everyone is sick and tired of being locked down by some griefer in a system when in this game there are many ways available to give us skillsets that can make the balance a little more even. Cloaking griefers are not players in the whole sense of the word. They are spoiling the game's strategy because in itself afk cloaking is a strategy that cannot be beaten/defeated at all and that is unfair. You have balanced many other things in the game and for every armor or shield or power supply there is a way to defeat or enhance, but when it comes to cloaking and going afk nothing can be done and many players are throwing good money after bad on this game to log in and find yet again gametime wasted day after day by the same old cloaky-griefers. DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS!! PLEASE!!!! Raj. Straight up... You're a whiny b*tch and posting this on public forums, the eve general forums none the less just shows how spineless and a waste of space you are. Don't like the cloaky guy in your system, get in a ship bait him with a fleet of your friends. From your US TZ FC.. GL HF.
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:25:00 - [85] Originally by: Rajheen Orlox Originally by: Mr SmartGuy Every time I see something from the troll/r and at the end, asking CCP to commit to excelence to cover anything else. It's a fair request.. But please your donations are attracting more reads per reply. I just want an unfair game mechanic balanced out. Why wouldn't you? (No, dont bore me...) Raj. It's not unfair dude. Do it back to them they have ratting systems they wish the cloaky guy wasn't in. Bait them... when they cov-ops bridge, mess em up (or get messed up). But try... coming to the forums and whining about it won't change anything. Getting in a combat ship and shooting another ship will.
d026 Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:27:00 - [86] i also dont like that afk cloaking is so damn easy. they should put autorepeat off the module.. so you have to manualy trigger a new cycle. cycle can be long tough 5-10mins
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:28:00 - [87] Edited by: Dr Sheepbringer on 02/09/2010 11:28:44 Keep a looksie on your directional scanner. When you see a probe or a ship. Get out. Simple. I imagine you are talking about missions, because if you are not...stop whining it's eve. Stop whining.
Omal Omal	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:33:00 - [88] Edited by: Omal Omal on 02/09/2010 11:34:52 wrong toon...
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:35:00 - [89] Edited by: Zagdul on 02/09/2010 11:35:22 Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Edited by: Dr Sheepbringer on 02/09/2010 11:28:44 Keep a looksie on your directional scanner. When you see a probe or a ship. Get out. Simple. I imagine you are talking about missions, because if you are not...stop whining it's eve. That doesn't work. Anomalies can be scanned with a system scanner, they don't require a probe. Some ships can warp cloaked... these ships can also light covert cynos which can't be jammed. The only defense to this is to amass a fleet large/powerful enough to counter the drop. Which isn't hard, if you try. There are some balancing issues I wouldn't mind addressing... 1. You cannot refuel a blops ship who's bridge is active. 2. You cannot warp cloaked when you have a cov ops generator equipped. These two things would be nice. This way you can try to predict what is coming through and at least make an attempt to counter it.
RandomYarrr	Posted - 2010.09.02 11:40:00 - [90] lulz? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6469216



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