Looks like ccp doesn't want it as it is now. They seem to what they want and compromise after.

I've only seen a Moros once off a Low Sec gate and we just about killed it. No serious Pirate is going to risk a capital off a gate with titan bridge's and the like around.

Sure, I'll make a note to have another look at this and get some more player feedback when we start finalizing the designs.

Officer smartbombing titans ahoy.

Looks like ccp doesn't want it as it is now. They seem to what they want and compromise after.

Look at the inventory window. I liked how it was before. Most said they didn't want change but ccp did it anyways. Its only after they change something that they make any compromise.

Alright I normally don't get involved in the gripe fests that surround game mechanics. Personally I've played Eve off and on since 2004 with a few breaks here and there and seen many changes come to New Eden. Some for the better some for worse, but overall I must hand it to CCP they've kept me coming back for more with new opportunities and changes.

Eve to me has always basically been be whatever you want. Want to fight for a faction? Done. Want to make billions or risk losing it all in a Wormhole? Done. Research? Done. Be part of some conglomerate of null sec knuckleheads (grin) Done.

Myself Piracy has always been a dark lust. Preying upon those fool enough to step into the depths of unlawful space has been one of the main reasons why I love this game. Low sec to me has always been home. It's also where I have made some very good friends and seen some of the brightest players in Eve come and go over the years.

Yet today the announcement by CCP Greyscale stating Sentry Gun changes has me more than worried. This move could potentially destroy what is left of any activity in Low Sec. We all know the saying: Low Sec is dead. Why do you ask? Much of the traffic that was coming into low sec was due profit that was still viable a few years back.

Now with the major null sec alliances keeping a vice grip on any and everything it has shown that low sec is nothing but old news except sadly for systems you pass through on your way to null or back into high sec. For those of us still around it's still home.

Here is what was quoted by CCP Greyscale in the minutes released yesterday:

CSM minutes wrote:
CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out.


What does this mean? Essentially it is led up to interpretation but anyone "suspect" hence anyone with negative sec status will essentially be fired upon in low sec. GCC no longer becomes applicable and fights on gates now will be reduced to under 5 minutes or until all aggressor's are destroyed.

This also means that while traveling through Low Sec even without GCC someone would potentially be fired upon. This also means that Sentries will simply be untankable even with different persons sharing the aggression during a fight.

It effectively stops any combat after 5 minutes for the aggressor and further kills any sort of decent fight that may be had off a gate except for a quick gank and run which really isn't a decent fight anyways,

I personally feel this is a tremendous mistake not only due to Sentry mechanics, but how such mechanics will force players OUT of Low Sec permanently to either high sec or for many of us the unappealing systems in Null.

I understand some here may only see this in terms of Gatecamps. However it not only effects camps but the very combat mechanics that will now have to be dealt with in Low Sec putting anyone with low security status at a dismal disadvantage during a fight which would eventually end in a loss after 4 to 5 minutes regardless.

With such mechanics in place it has already been discussed by myself and others in my alliance that if such changes were indeed implemented we'd have no desire to move out to Null to conform and would most likely unsubscribe.

Many of us who live in Low Sec have played this game for far too long to see the last bit of what makes this game fun to us essentially twisted and contorted into a region that will now truly be "dead".

I beseech CCP Greyscale and others to rethink these mechanics not only for the players who call Low Sec home, but also in regards to the future limited combat in Low Sec which would thus make it truly unfavorable and unwanted.

If these changes do go into effect I for one will be unsubscribing all three of my accounts and simply moving on. It's not worth my time and money to be forced into regions of Eve I feel are hardly fun or appealing.

Please sign below if you agree.

And a other QQ post about this USING your alt is a scaring act off a noob. Get over it. I can also say i played sinds orginal beta close beta and play the 2D game at start.... This is not trusting thats just ignoring like a troll.

And a other QQ post about this USING your alt is a scaring act off a noob. Get over it. I can also say i played sinds orginal beta close beta and play the 2D game at start.... This is not trusting thats just ignoring like a troll.

Still waiting to see the part that I apparently missed that says that a low sec status has anything at all to do with being "Suspect".

"Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise"

That do it for ya? Criminal flag as in outlaw or gcc is his problem to clear up which I think he did.

And now would come the part I asked for... source PLEASE!

And now would come the part I asked for... source PLEASE!

Edit: Never mind, I found it. Wow boys, you really need to learn to take things in context.

You actually think that what he is saying is that in Low Sec, if you have a bad sec status, the Sentries will fire on you?

It's already been quoted by CCP Greyscale in the CSM minutes.

Sigh.... Have you not read over fifteen pages worth of information? It could be put into that context however the MAIN concern is the gate guns being able to wipe even a Triage Carrier off the field within a mere five minutes of agression thus ending any prolonged engagements.

FYI that little tidbit was also in the minutes.

That's not the thrust of the original post... and frankly being able to tank the gate guns in any area indefinitely is a poor mechanic to begin with.

You will get little sympathy from any "pirate" worth his salt, or anyone else for that matter.

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No it'll make you think Sentries will hold your hand through each jump through low sec. "Livening up" low sec does not mean making it easier for you to pass through the system to your destination.

This quote highlights just how stupid some gate campers really are. Anyone that can actually think logically knows that if low sec is more accessible it will increase traffic.

More lazy, stupid EVE "pvper" tears please.

This quote highlights just how stupid some gate campers really are. Anyone that can actually think logically knows that if low sec is more accessible it will increase traffic.

More lazy, stupid EVE "pvper" tears please.

You really should try to use more than 5% of that grey matter rattling around inside your head. If you had read any of the points outlined and reiterated it has little to nothing to do with "camps." If anything it would be a detriment and would encourage even more cheap tactics for others to catch prey quickly then leave.

If all you desire is sniping fleets with fast interceptor tackle to snag targets and have zero true committed engagements be my guest. You clearly are talking out your ass.

An example of an activity this increased traffic will partake in now that the gates and stations are all magically cleared?

oh, i did read your incredibly one-side and narrow minded perspective. Listen to you, defending gatecamping and crying about cheap tactics emerging. LOL.

eve "pvpers" really are the dumbest of all mmorpg pvpers. Driven from games that require actual skill. About time CCP shat on you and took away your easymode kills. In other pvp games, players actually have to work for their kills, they dont just sit around waiting for victims and merely have to click 2-3 buttons with their mouse FTW.

An example of an activity this increased traffic will partake in now that the gates and stations are all magically cleared?

I won't even go through a gate if I know its camped. With this change, my chances of getting through are greatly improved. Sad that it even needs explaining. Yea, i know you derpish crytard theorycrafters are trying to say its a buff to gatecamping and claim its gonna be somehow easier now because its possible for you to catch me with your interceptor. Good luck with that.

eve "pvpers" really are the dumbest of all mmorpg pvpers. Driven from games that require actual skill. About time CCP shat on you and took away your easymode kills. In other pvp games, players actually have to work for their kills, they dont just sit around waiting for victims and merely have to click 2-3 buttons with their mouse FTW.

This quote highlights just how stupid some gate campers really are. Anyone that can actually think logically knows that if low sec is more accessible, it will increase traffic.

PVP in this game is skilless enough as it is. Oh-no, the game got a little bit harder, better cry on the forums.

Great job with this change CCP. More tears from the easymode pvp crowd please.