. You know all those can flippers that aren't looking for "real" pvp and are going to be terribly furious about a "flag" that acts as though you just can flipped all of EvE. Yep, no holes in that one look at all the threads from the flippers about how bad that will be. Let's rename him CCP Clueless and the winter update Arson.

mm ganker tears, so delicious.

Oh-no! poor greifers will have to take a risk when flipping a can of a solo miner? Better bawl all over the forums now about how EVE pvp is ruined forever.

mm ganker tears, so delicious.

Oh-no! poor greifers will have to take a risk when flipping a can of a solo miner? Better bawl all over the forums now about how EVE pvp is ruined forever.

HS PVP is available in 4 forms.
Can Flipping.
Wardecs.
Suicide Ganks.
AWOXing.

Wardecs are broken.
This will break Can Flipping.
So all that's left is Suicide Ganks. And since Ganking Freighters will be effectively impossible to make profitable (your looting freighter will be globally flagged, thus dead), Guess what's gonna increase in frequency.

Somehow, I think the Solo miner (why isn't he using a Mack?) would prefer to be can-flipped over being Suicide Ganked.

And I think Corp miners would prefer to be can flipped than Awoxed.

How are wardecs broken? Also, how can anyone take you seriously when you post 48 times a day on average and most of it is nonsense? Break Can flipping? WTF?

Quit Corp > Disband Corp > Create New Corp > Wardec Disappears.

Can Flipping currently exposes you to the owner of the can and the Owner's allies (at least those Allies the owner has bothered to formalize his relationship with). Globally flagging the thief for stealing from you is ridiculous.

so how is it breaking can flipping if there is just more risk involved? Why is a global flag ridiculous for stealing from someone? That seems like it should have always been the case. the only thing that is ridiculous is your posts per day.

Because further discouraging PVP is not a good thing in a PVP centric game.

they aren't discouraging pvp, they are making can flipping involve some actual risk, something that has been missing for years. And what is the point if "high sec" if griefers can have their way with you with zero risk? To say adding more risk to can flipping is going to "Break can flipping" is completely moronic.

There's only no risk if the victim isn't willing to impose any harm on their flipper.

If you are not willing to impose harm on people who do you harm, whose fault is that?

How stupid are you, really, to blame the victim of not incurring risk on a can flipper? The can flipper is the one who gets to choose whose can he flips. Some people do not have the capacity to retaliate against a can fliipper, especially new players who just want to do a little mining to start off. Did you ever think of that? high sec is high sec for a reason. So how would adding more risk "break" can flipping again?

Why would Bob, the uninvolved 3rd party, get to retaliate against the person who stole from you?

umm, because you commited a crime? same as any crime. Why am I even bothering to argue with stupid no-lifers. Still waiting to hear how additional risk "breaks" can flipping.

You committed a tort against an individual. If it were a crime, you'd lose Sec Status and be CONCORDed.

A Tort in EVE means that the wronged individual has the option to cause harm to to the offender as recompense for the offense.

A specific example, 1v1s are done.

Sorry, having your own personal definitions does not mean you are right. Stealing is a crime and apparently CCP agrees with me. In what backwards universe of yours is stealing not considered a crime and can only be punished by the person who they stole from? LOL.

So how does this "break" can flipping again?

You committed a tort against an individual. If it were a crime, you'd lose Sec Status and be CONCORDed.

A Tort in EVE means that the wronged individual has the option to cause harm to to the offender as recompense for the offense.

A specific example, 1v1s are done.

(filled with more sarcasm than Rodney Dangerfield on the strip) riiiiiiight, can flipper is ALWAYS looking for 1v1 fights.

I stopped trying to "punish" those can flippers after the 3rd attempt to take em on 1v1 with my pvp ship. the last 3 times I did that, it turned into 3-4-5 v 1. I sure showed em didn't i?

You got it pipa, the victim should punish the offender. Look, in a perfect world the can flipper would actually fight the victim when he/she (the victim) is willing to fight. But this is not a perfect society, not in the least. Honor means nothing, in EvE it's a figment of the imagination just like the game itself. Honor by the games definition is " HAY BRO'S! I"M GONNA NEED ANOTHER JAR TO COLLECT THESE TEARS! AND POST IT ON THE IT'NETS!"

Stealing is not a crime in EVE.

A crime isn't how you chose to define it, sorry.

Can flippers are theives and theives are people who commit crimes.Stealing has always been considered a crime though the history of humanity. That is why you are flagged to everyone once you steal, just like a criminal would be punishable by anyone if they stole. To think only the person who you stole from should be retaliate against you is both stupid and unrealistic. I advise you to learn the definitions of "crime" and "broken" and come back when you have a better argument.

Still waiting to hear how increased risk to can flippers "breaks" can flipping.

In the Real World, a Crime is something that the Police (well, Criminal Justice System) punish you for. A tort is a private matter that the involved parties settle (often, but not always with help from the courts).
In EVE, CONCORD doesn't intervene in any way with theft, it allows the two involved parties to settle the matter. CONCORD is the Criminal Justice System in EVE, so it looks like in EVE, theft is a Tort.


I already showed you an example of what gets broken by Crimewatch. Other examples are available in the Crimewatch thread.

And allowing everyone to shoot at can flippers means that there is no reason for Miners to form Corps for protection, as they can simply let random bystanders do their work for them.

Thievery is a crime whether you can understand that or not.

Yes, so more than just the victim punishes the criminal. Thievery is a crime whether you can understand that or not. Sorry, having your own personal definitions for words is a pretty shakey platform for argument.

There is now a thread about whether this "breaks" can flipping or not. We can discuss it there where people can explain to you how this actually fixes can flipping.