Fortunately, they're smart enough to already starting to backpedal on this hugely counter-productive idea.

want to kill someone in lowsec? do it off a gate... now you will have to find the miners mining, the people running scan sites and missions ect.

want to kill someone in lowsec? do it off a gate... now you will have to find the miners mining, the people running scan sites and missions ect.

want to kill someone in lowsec? do it off a gate... now you will have to find the miners mining, the people running scan sites and missions ect.

I'm not signing this and I'm a pirate...Have been since a month into the game. I've flown with the original poster, and, frankly he's a skill-less gate camper (sorry Tara.) I actually think this should not only be implemented but taken further...The sooner the current low sec "play-style" of camping is changed, the better. It is utterly horrid, stale and boring. It's not "piracy" its just camping.

We need people into low sec to do other things, industry, exploration, missions, whatever tbh. Why? because we need to hunt them down properly and not just shoot their hauler in the face because the gate was camped for 3 hours. I'm not saying this will happen just by changing the way gate guns work, but it's a step in the right direction of pulling down that high sec player wall.

Oki

Oki's comment about no skill holds no water with me. I've only flown with Tara a handful of times and it was fun. I don't know about his skill in PvP, I haven't flown with him enough to. But then, WHO CARES? It's a GAME, it's MEANT to be FUN!

I don't mind losing ships due to my own mediocre PvP skills, but because CCP made it a PITA to have a good fight on a gate is just plain stupid.

Just had a big fight on a gate that would not have been possible if the gate gun changes happened.

Tons of fun, lasted for quite a while, and it's all because Pro Chimera's gate camping erryday .

Was actually a 3 way fight. We killed off Chimera's allies pretty quick, then were waiting around for backup to kill it when another gang jumped in on us to try to kill it. So we were fighting the other gang with the Chimera kill as the prize. At the end, we drove off the other fleet and killed the Chimera.

With the Gate Gun changes, none of this would have been possible.
First, the Chimera wouldn't be able to hang out on gate.
Second, we wouldn't have been able to kill his support (we're roaming, so we're all GCC).
Third, we wouldn't have been able to hang around holding the Chimera while waiting for backup.
Fourth, we wouldn't have been able to fight the other gang at all.
Finally, we wouldn't have been able to kill off the Chimera in the end.

This sort of thing happens maybe...once a month (That's pushing it.) My corp had a similar experience with a Revelation about 3 weeks ago where the guys forced it to self-destruct on a gate; Anyway, This isn't everyday gameplay now is it? And that's the issue.

I'm not signing this and I'm a pirate...Have been since a month into the game. I've flown with the original poster, and, frankly he's a skill-less gate camper (sorry Tara.) I actually think this should not only be implemented but taken further...The sooner the current low sec "play-style" of camping is changed, the better. It is utterly horrid, stale and boring. It's not "piracy" its just camping.

We need people into low sec to do other things, industry, exploration, missions, whatever tbh. Why? because we need to hunt them down properly and not just shoot their hauler in the face because the gate was camped for 3 hours. I'm not saying this will happen just by changing the way gate guns work, but it's a step in the right direction of pulling down that high sec player wall.

Oki

/ Signed

I say this is BS. Most my play time in Eve has been in low sec. Most that time I've also been a Pirate. I enjoy it. As for camping? It passes time and can gain some decent Isk, but that's all it is for me. However, I DO love targets of opportunity and a hauler coming through a gate should not be safe in Low Sec. It's fine the way it is, why screw it up?

Oki's comment about no skill holds no water with me. I've only flown with Tara a handful of times and it was fun. I don't know about his skill in PvP, I haven't flown with him enough to. But then, WHO CARES? It's a GAME, it's MEANT to be FUN!

I don't mind losing ships due to my own mediocre PvP skills, but because CCP made it a PITA to have a good fight on a gate is just plain stupid.

What are you sorry for? At least your opinion is an honest one just not valid. How many other irons in the fire did other people in FLASHY have besides Piracy? Quite a few to be honest. Whenever I'd log it would either be people doing something else thus can't roam or it was at odd times due to work. So why not snag a few easy things then head to sleep?

I'll admit my time in FLASHY although brief enlightened me to the plight of Low Sec. Unless you have dedicated people to bust some ass hardly anything will get done and people won't be motivated. Such was the issues with FLASHY. Well that and being on call 24/7 real life does come first right?

But I digress. I won't sit here and sling mud at you calling you unskilled (btw what is Eve now Call Of Duty?) and I won't bullshit my way out of anything. Yes camping was one of my main ways of racking up kills while in FLASHY but what did you expect?

Hell there were so few of us online at a given time it's about all people could do. Unless of course you wanted to run around in a solo frig or something of that nature. And if you asked others for a roam it was nothing but excuses or bad timing.

I will say though my time with Fusion has led to some GREAT ops, roams, etc and luckily showed me that low sec luckily isn't (quite) dead.

Now onto the issue at hand with why you think these changes good. Let me ask you how many decent fights have you had where such fights were off a gate? A random number perhaps? 35? 70?

My point being is that with these changes implemented that number will plummet to ZERO. Why? because no one can sustain 5 minutes of sentry aggression enough to kill a triaged carrier and no one would dare to risk it.

Instead you'll have more of these "skillless" gate camps with alpha Tornado's and Interceptor's catching anything that moves.

These changes Oki, will not only strangle any true fights to be had off gate they sure as hell do not provide an adequate solution to the traffic issues with Low Sec as a whole.

No. No one likes pirates. -1

You clearly failed to read a later post in which I described the two primary methods of travel in Eve. As far as the interpretation of "suspect" that has yet to be defined in black and white by any CCP Dev since it is in the "tweaking" and "speculation" phase. So for now we'll assume the worst possible scenario until Dev's step up and flatly put something in their next minutes or something more concrete.

Also I find it rather ironic you blame JD ships for the "reason" to bypass Low Sec. In actuality JD (jump drive) ships have created more flexibility and ease of travel throughout New Eden. So you'd assume that with less of a burden more people would set up shop.

That clearly is not the case and JD ships are not the problem. BTW my day wouldn't be ruined. It would just turn into "Hurry! shoot the fish in the barrel before we're shot ourselves!" Online.

I like pirates. In the game that is. They make it more fun and interesting. But if you don't like them they are much easier to deal with in highsec.

We need people into low sec to do other things, industry, exploration, missions, whatever tbh. Why? because we need to hunt them down properly and not just shoot their hauler in the face because the gate was camped for 3 hours. I'm not saying this will happen just by changing the way gate guns work, but it's a step in the right direction of pulling down that high sec player wall.

Oki

why are there still people chiming into this thread without using their brains, thinking this is a good thing? so clueless.


you don't need to sit on a gate to camp it. you only need to be there when someone comes through and you can get off the gate again after the mere seconds it takes to blow the thing up. if you don't like camps, this will only make it easier to catch things for petty ganks. all it allows is petty ganks.

no real fights will be able to happen on gates. this is where real fights happen too, believe it or not. telling people to get off the gate and fight is so ignorant and naive, i'm amazed. finding someone stupid enough to get caught with their pants down doing something off the gate in low sec is not common. those people are in high sec, or even null. i look for those kills, i don't like camping, but people are scared shitless of low sec and know the risks and their heads are full of tales from their noob corps about gate camps being EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME. you think more people will start coming here when they learn how much more at risk their transport ships and cloaky T3s are to being ganked?

if you are in a roaming gang and you scout another roaming gang, would you not want to hide your numbers so they don't get spooked [even if it's even numbers they get spooked] and catch them by surprise, while guaranteeing they'll be in point range all at the same time? well, guess what? the best place to do that is at a gate whether you're in a high sec war, low sec or null. do you think we should just sit at a planet like dumbasses, giving up a tactical advantage, letting people scout us, gather an overwhelming force and/or hot drop us? the only way to have any semblance of a 'fair fight' is for two groups to happen upon each other at a gate without any prior intel, otherwise one gang gets intel on the numbers of the other, they either bring a greater force to secure victory with minimal losses, or they'll avoid it and this isn't exclusive to low sec. tired of complaining about gate camps? get some bait, get some friends and stomp them. it's easy, but i guess it's hard to find reliable friends when you're a socially inept hermit, plinking away at level 4s in high sec.

anyone with experience in low sec should know these things already. i know the eve population is chock-full of ********, ignorant, misinformed grumpy old men, but damn, it's starting to get a little out of hand. you need to learn how this game works before you start thinking you know what's wrong with it. and that goes for greyscale too.