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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
194
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:11:00 -
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Kyang Tia wrote:Signed. Prolonged engagements on lowsec gates should still be possible. Right now players with negative sec status have everything working against them while not getting any advantages at all. This needs to be reduced, not increased, so as to make piracy a viable profession. (You won't believe this, but a lot of pirates have highsec alts to make ISK.) The only way to really bring lowsec to life again is to introduce lowsec-only content, most importantly resources.
Move all ice to lowsec job done m i rite guys |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
195
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:11:00 -
[152] - Quote
I very much so doubt i will unsub but
/signed To all everyone concerned over the fairness involving the H/O disqualification https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113351&find=unread |
ElextriX
Latrunculi
23
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:17:00 -
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This proposed change is an awful idea. It will literally ruin low sec, the beauty of it in the past has been a different style of pvp (not necessarily piracy, some people might be shocked / ignorant that there is a difference) and the only reasoning behind thse changes is clearly to please the highest subs category (the carebears) and I guess thinking that low sec'ers will simply move into null sec, which also on a large scale, won't happen. But as usual I doubt CCP will care about the opinions of the more niche styles of game play.
Instead of coming up with literally terrible idea's how about fixing obvious issues like Orca's being used on high sec gates for 0% risk camps. Or fixing ecm drones so solo / small gang stuff is more viable. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
386
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:47:00 -
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Is lo-sec actually an abbreviation of Lonely-Sec?
Fact is , that just about everyone recognizes that lo-sec has some serious problems.
So, any attempt to fix it has to be better than doing nothing. You want fries with that? |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
912
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:52:00 -
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As a lowsec pirate, I'd like to say that I think the guy above is pretty much right. Anything they change is lowsec is better than nothing because right now lowsec is a wasteland of a few pirates, big alliances staging for this or that, and that's about all. lowsec is so screwed up right now that you couldn't do anything to make is more sparsely populated. Some kind of larger view and strategy plan would be nice, but if small changes are all CCP is capable of than I say anything beats nothing.
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Tyler Rainez
20
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Posted - 2012.08.03 16:19:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Alright I normally don't get involved in the gripe fests that surround game mechanics. Personally I've played Eve off and on since 2004 with a few breaks here and there and seen many changes come to New Eden. Some for the better some for worse, but overall I must hand it to CCP they've kept me coming back for more with new opportunities and changes.
Eve to me has always basically been be whatever you want. Want to fight for a faction? Done. Want to make billions or risk losing it all in a Wormhole? Done. Research? Done. Be part of some conglomerate of null sec knuckleheads (grin) Done.
Myself Piracy has always been a dark lust. Preying upon those fool enough to step into the depths of unlawful space has been one of the main reasons why I love this game. Low sec to me has always been home. It's also where I have made some very good friends and seen some of the brightest players in Eve come and go over the years.
Yet today the announcement by CCP Greyscale stating Sentry Gun changes has me more than worried. This move could potentially destroy what is left of any activity in Low Sec. We all know the saying: Low Sec is dead. Why do you ask? Much of the traffic that was coming into low sec was due profit that was still viable a few years back.
Now with the major null sec alliances keeping a vice grip on any and everything it has shown that low sec is nothing but old news except sadly for systems you pass through on your way to null or back into high sec. For those of us still around it's still home.
Here is what was quoted by CCP Greyscale in the minutes released yesterday:
CSM minutes wrote: CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out.
What does this mean? Essentially it is led up to interpretation but anyone "suspect" hence anyone with negative sec status will essentially be fired upon in low sec. GCC no longer becomes applicable and fights on gates now will be reduced to under 5 minutes or until all aggressor's are destroyed.
This also means that while traveling through Low Sec even without GCC someone would potentially be fired upon. This also means that Sentries will simply be untankable even with different persons sharing the aggression during a fight.
It effectively stops any combat after 5 minutes for the aggressor and further kills any sort of decent fight that may be had off a gate except for a quick gank and run which really isn't a decent fight anyways,
I personally feel this is a tremendous mistake not only due to Sentry mechanics, but how such mechanics will force players OUT of Low Sec permanently to either high sec or for many of us the unappealing systems in Null.
I understand some here may only see this in terms of Gatecamps. However it not only effects camps but the very combat mechanics that will now have to be dealt with in Low Sec putting anyone with low security status at a dismal disadvantage during a fight which would eventually end in a loss after 4 to 5 minutes regardless.
With such mechanics in place it has already been discussed by myself and others in my alliance that if such changes were indeed implemented we'd have no desire to move out to Null to conform and would most likely unsubscribe.
Many of us who live in Low Sec have played this game for far too long to see the last bit of what makes this game fun to us essentially twisted and contorted into a region that will now truly be "dead".
I beseech CCP Greyscale and others to rethink these mechanics not only for the players who call Low Sec home, but also in regards to the future limited combat in Low Sec which would thus make it truly unfavorable and unwanted.
If these changes do go into effect I for one will be unsubscribing all three of my accounts and simply moving on. It's not worth my time and money to be forced into regions of Eve I feel are hardly fun or appealing.
Please sign below if you agree.
/signed
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1591
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Posted - 2012.08.03 16:29:00 -
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I'm not a professional full time pirate by trade..... but I too enjoy blowing up smaller ships on gates/stations/belts/moons/planets/POCOs when the mood strikes me.
That having been said, I will not unsub if these changes are pushed, but these changes will be my barrier to pew pew.
/signed. |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
133
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:11:00 -
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If two parties are out looking for a fight, why does it have to be on a gate? If you both REALLY want the fight, it'l happen, if not, well then, it wouldn't have happened anyway, since people you know, scout and generally gather intel before a proper fight anyway...
There won't be people permacamping anymore, no more smartbombing lameness. This WILL get more people into lowsec. those claiming it'l just lead to more people being caught by ceptors etc aren't taking into account that those ceptor accounts will only have 2-3 tackles in them before they're considered "suspect" and will no longer be able to camp unless they fix their sec.
Basically it flips from "if you're a pirate, sit on a gate all day" to "if you're a pirate, don't get caught on a gate".
It's a big, drastic change, and will no doubt impact many peoples playstyles, but there is no telling what it will actually change. Give it a chance and see what new opportunities it brings, as a playerbase i'm pretty sure we'l come up with SOME way to have fun and shoot people. |
whaynethepain
52
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:26:00 -
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Yea, basically, eve is opening up a little.
Personally I would like a large warp mod, to warp 1 au forwards, but that's another thread. Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
362
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:27:00 -
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Soi Mala wrote:If two parties are out looking for a fight, why does it have to be on a gate? If you both REALLY want the fight, it'l happen, if not, well then, it wouldn't have happened anyway, since people you know, scout and generally gather intel before a proper fight anyway...
There won't be people permacamping anymore, no more smartbombing lameness. This WILL get more people into lowsec. those claiming it'l just lead to more people being caught by ceptors etc aren't taking into account that those ceptor accounts will only have 2-3 tackles in them before they're considered "suspect" and will no longer be able to camp unless they fix their sec.
Basically it flips from "if you're a pirate, sit on a gate all day" to "if you're a pirate, don't get caught on a gate".
It's a big, drastic change, and will no doubt impact many peoples playstyles, but there is no telling what it will actually change. Give it a chance and see what new opportunities it brings, as a playerbase i'm pretty sure we'l come up with SOME way to have fun and shoot people.
Thats not how fights work. They aren't fun because they are arranged beforehand. they are fun because you have only a vauge idea of what you are going to find when you jump through that gate. Having two fleets crash into eachother on a gate, only to have them work out in local terms for a fight (what planet? what ranges?) isn't fun. |
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Takazono Kogachi
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
0
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:29:00 -
[161] - Quote
/signed |
Vel'drinn
Tactical Warfare Assault Team Sublime Intrepid Crossing
3
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:02:00 -
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Just what low sec needs, adding complexity and penalties for fighting.
Remove sec status hits and let low sec run red with blood. It needs more explosions.
I chose null over low for this reason. Low pvp sucks unless you're willing to go pirate. Now it will just suck for everybody. |
XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
2
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:10:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Sure, I'll make a note to have another look at this and get some more player feedback when we start finalizing the designs.
Any possibiliy of making the sentry guns destructible by players? Have them respawn after DT. Not easily destroyed but make it more of a challenge to camp a gate with a reward for successfully destroying all sentries at a gate. I don't mean destroyed by one or two ships but more of a large scale type effort to claim that gate to be able to camp it. |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
86
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:12:00 -
[164] - Quote
To everyone who threatens to leave, we dun want you here. HKO is -----------------------------------> (and its pretty fun) |
Ms Kat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:16:00 -
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I for one am for the changes, anything to open up the game to more people is GOOD |
Tragedy
The Creepshow
14
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:26:00 -
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Plus 100. This is a kick in the balls that low sec doesn't need. Fu** the vocal minority. If anything remove gate guns completely they're just an annoyance. |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
148
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:08:00 -
[167] - Quote
What I still don't get is what is the point/ intention? Is it to lock criminals (-10) out of hi-sec? is it to encourge low-sec pvp, or discourage? Trying to fix low-sec? If your trying to fix low-sec, low-sec is dead because there is no reason to be there. Simples. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Holy8th
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:38:00 -
[168] - Quote
/signed.
This is by far one of the most terrible ideas to hit lowsec. This removes any chance of a good small gang vs small gang on a lowsec gate and only turns them into ganking devices. Seriously, the level of stupid in this idea is mind boggling. |
Malatha
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:51:00 -
[169] - Quote
/signed
If changes similar to this are implemented, I will be dropping all three of my accounts. If anything low sec should be MORE deadly.
Greyscale, you are an idiot. |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
75
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:52:00 -
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Gogela wrote:As a lowsec pirate, I'd like to say that I think the guy above is pretty much right. Anything they change is lowsec is better than nothing because right now lowsec is a wasteland of a few pirates, big alliances staging for this or that, and that's about all. lowsec is so screwed up right now that you couldn't do anything to make is more sparsely populated. Some kind of larger view and strategy plan would be nice, but if small changes are all CCP is capable of than I say anything beats nothing.
I disagree completely. Vying for ANY change instead of positive change is detrimental. The underlying issue is there is NO content to drive people to go to low sec compared to Null. Aside from pure small gang combat, give me reasons for mission runners, industrialists, miners, explorers, etc to come to low sec.
I'l give you a hint there is none. Aside from blitzing level 5's there is only a trickle of traffic that comes through low sec on a daily basis. So these people who cry that gates are camped 24/7 are simply talking out of their ass.
This would (in my eyes and in the eyes of many people here) be THE last nail in the coffin for Low Sec period. You limit the type of combat to be had? You take away the one shining example as to what used to make Low Sec glorious in the past then you effectively kill it off.
The fights is what keep me and others still around. We don't want to be in a lag fest of three to four hundred pilots in a giant bubble sitting and shooting in some of the most mundane and boring combat to be had.
Small gang fights are vibrant. There is such a dynamic to be had with how fights can evolve which is what makes it fun. YOUR role in the fight is that much more important. Knowing how to adapt and change tactics on the fly is one of the staples of what Low Sec pvp has always been.
It creates better fights and some of the best pilots to ever roam New Eden period. It's not about gate camps and personally I find them boring. Yet sadly let me ask you what else?
If there is no traffic or no population in Low Sec what's the point? CCP again needs to look at the underlying issue to Low Sec which has always been zero unique content outside of combat. |
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Augustine Kuvora
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.03 20:58:00 -
[171] - Quote
/signed |
Zed Jackelope
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
14
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Posted - 2012.08.03 21:34:00 -
[172] - Quote
Awesome moderator Zymurgist gets fired..... Greyscale is still employed.
CCP hates Brutors
Here's a lowsec sentry gun change... stop shooting drones, its ******** that your sentry guns can completely negate the gallente/amarr drone boats. Or better yet, stop shooting combat drones... shoot everything else, especially ECM and fighters. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
605
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Posted - 2012.08.03 21:42:00 -
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Tara Read wrote: 1. A cookie cutter fitting vomited out via alliance mail for a certain setup that even the most mundane player could grasp.
2. Bookmarks leading to a Titan for transport. How do we do DAT!? One may ask. Just right click and JUMP!
3. Said "skillful" pilot put's his mettle to the test (and his internet connection) as lag ensues creating an exciting experience only to be witnessed in glorious combat with 300 of his closest comrades at his back. How's that for individual performance eh?
4. Said pilot is now breathing hard as his finger twitches over his keyboard waiting for the FC to give that one glorious command. That one order to then unleash his fury and might against opponents that have not seen such finesse!
5. His bruised and beaten F1 key is suddenly pressed as his full potential is unleashed in a torrent of hellish destruction only seen in Null Sec!
6. As the dust clears and all said lemmings (cough) i mean pilots converge upon one another grinning with smeared Frito's on their fingers they reap the spoils and return glorious for no other pilots could match the SKILL and FURY of Null sec.
1- what's the point you're trying to make here? -personal bad idea of what really is null sec or players living there
2-again you have no clue about null sec
3-you put a smile in my face with this statement, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. And those hundreds/thousands players with solo/small gang kills in null sec (you can find with a little research) are laughing at this statement.
4-why do you keep arguing something you clearly don't have a clue about? -because someone told you or you saw a couple videos, maybe read a couple threads on GD about big wars? -again something you have no clue about)
5-yep because no one in low sec hits F1 at the first thing he can target, of course your F1 needs a middle finger skill very special, a low one
6- because this point is just another 4 and 5 bis
Then you ask something unique only low sec should have, lets see:
Excellent and rich ore/ice belts: they're empty, how did you do that, with skill? or just because it's easier to have an alt in NPC high sec corp doing it at some belt?
Anoms: some of the unique and most expensive B/C type mods, BPC's, industry items are easily found in low sec, but very few adventure over there, why? -what are you doing to make people love your low sec so much that actually you can ransom them?
Industry slots: manufacturing, invention, research slots very often with low to no delay to use, why there aren't more people going there?
You answer: *carebears don't like risk, they're risk averse* so actually you're saying it's their own fault if they don't take those risks for better rewards but what solutions are you proposing? The fact you shouldn't be able to sit your Drake and perma tank gate, sit a gang of battleships and smartbomb everything passing through while being rep by logistics doesn't even gets your attention about the fact you actually take NO RISK
Flash news: Low sec is still empire and there's no logical reason you should be able to sit there and poo over Empire facilities because they're dumb/weak enough to get you out of there. You should not be able to permatank sentry dmg with or without logistics, point blank.
Now the problem is about real roaming gangs and the fact they could no longer have fights at those gates. This is the only real problem that needs to find a decent solution.
brb |
Reiss Jovian
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
1
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Posted - 2012.08.03 21:45:00 -
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Any actual nerfing of lowsec, no matter the severity of the nerf, well result in me dropping all accounts. C'mon CCP, seriously? You should be doing the opposite. LET'S AVOID THE DEATH OF LOWSEC!!
./Signed |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
80
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Posted - 2012.08.03 21:58:00 -
[175] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tara Read wrote: 1. A cookie cutter fitting vomited out via alliance mail for a certain setup that even the most mundane player could grasp.
2. Bookmarks leading to a Titan for transport. How do we do DAT!? One may ask. Just right click and JUMP!
3. Said "skillful" pilot put's his mettle to the test (and his internet connection) as lag ensues creating an exciting experience only to be witnessed in glorious combat with 300 of his closest comrades at his back. How's that for individual performance eh?
4. Said pilot is now breathing hard as his finger twitches over his keyboard waiting for the FC to give that one glorious command. That one order to then unleash his fury and might against opponents that have not seen such finesse!
5. His bruised and beaten F1 key is suddenly pressed as his full potential is unleashed in a torrent of hellish destruction only seen in Null Sec!
6. As the dust clears and all said lemmings (cough) i mean pilots converge upon one another grinning with smeared Frito's on their fingers they reap the spoils and return glorious for no other pilots could match the SKILL and FURY of Null sec.
1- what's the point you're trying to make here? -personal bad idea of what really is null sec or players living there 2-again you have no clue about null sec 3-you put a smile in my face with this statement, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. And those hundreds/thousands players with solo/small gang kills in null sec (you can find with a little research) are laughing at this statement. 4-why do you keep arguing something you clearly don't have a clue about? -because someone told you or you saw a couple videos, maybe read a couple threads on GD about big wars? -again something you have no clue about) 5-yep because no one in low sec hits F1 at the first thing he can target, of course your F1 needs a middle finger skill very special, a low one 6- because this point is just another 4 and 5 bis Then you ask something unique only low sec should have, lets see: Excellent and rich ore/ice belts: they're empty, how did you do that, with skill? or just because it's easier to have an alt in NPC high sec corp doing it at some belt? Anoms: some of the unique and most expensive B/C type mods, BPC's, industry items are easily found in low sec, but very few adventure over there, why? -what are you doing to make people love your low sec so much that actually you can ransom them? Industry slots: manufacturing, invention, research slots very often with low to no delay to use, why there aren't more people going there? You answer: *carebears don't like risk, they're risk averse* so actually you're saying it's their own fault if they don't take those risks for better rewards but what solutions are you proposing? The fact you shouldn't be able to sit your Drake and perma tank gate, sit a gang of battleships and smartbomb everything passing through while being rep by logistics doesn't even gets your attention about the fact you actually take NO RISK Flash news: Low sec is still empire and there's no logical reason you should be able to sit there and poo over Empire facilities because they're dumb/weak enough to get you out of there. You should not be able to permatank sentry dmg with or without logistics, point blank. Now the problem is about real roaming gangs and the fact they could no longer have fights at those gates. This is the only real problem that needs to find a decent solution.
1. I'm an ******* and lived in Null. I've witnessed first hand the pants on head mentality that Null sec breeds.
2. Clearly I don't. Please enlighten us about what Null sec is "all" about.
3. Uhuh. Then why is any fight of any mention huge engagements? I'm not saying small gang pvp does not take place I am saying it quickly evolves into a war of attrition more than anything else.
4. Again please. Enlighten us all on the "positives" of Null sec combat. I'm listening. Or is your lack of response due to the lag?
5. I actually click. Well it's rather a hybrid of keybinds on my mouse and individual clicking. And I don't hit F1. But thanks for assuming!
6. You DO realize your response is just making me smile because you are clearly upset about someone taking a dump on your "glorious" null sec pvp's.
First I never stated anything about Ice or ore specifics. I stated Low Sec should have a REASON to drive said persons to the region. THAT is the issue. There's no profit to be had! The risk vs reward factor is clearly unbalanced which is why Low Sec is in the state it is in.
As far as Anoms, Industry, etc again I am waiting for CCP to give players a reason to return to Low Sec....
Now moving on to your bullshit excuse about "risk" and what was that? Drakes? First of all Low Sec is "low security" meaning CONCORD will not hold your hand nor will some big alliance pat your bottom and say it's okay to jump. If half the people who jumped in used their heads it wouldn't result in a loss.
This sounds to me again like some pissy kid who lost their Iteron to a gate. BTW the fact that we take Sentry fire is in fact RISK. Get your facts straight.
So now you want logistics to be mandatory on gates? You DO realize now that the dynamic of fights has now changed. You are now saying that players who wish to engage are already at a dismal disadvantage and MUST tank guns PLUS incoming targets be they hostile or not.
Just. Stop. Now.
P.S. You gave NO valid answers to any solution and instead bitched about how I'm "ignorant" of your godly null sec pvp and still provided ridiculous "solutions" or ideas to sentry mechanics.
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Scion Lex
Predator's Inc. Solid Foundation
8
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Posted - 2012.08.03 22:01:00 -
[176] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:Finally! Trade can finally come to lowsec. Players can enter in ship sizes larger than frigates. EVERY lowsec access point will no longer be permacamped. Corporations now have a legitimate reason to live in lowsec. Miners and explorers now have an acceptable margin of risk. The most unbalanced risk/reward area of space is finally seeing balance. PI can really take off now. Corporations are more inclined to moon mine lesser materials. There will be a massive influx of players for pirates to shoot at.
Finally! The most neglected aspect of this game is finally starting to receive love. You bitter vets who hate change of any kind, you're welcome to cancel all five million of your accounts. The game will be changing and your inability/unwillingness to adapt is your own fault. Good riddance.
Your an idiot, plan and simple. You don't know how to fly. PERIOD. Trade happens all the time. I fly an impel through lowsec and have never, ever lost it. What? You think the folks I shoot at wouldn't love to pop it? I live off of PI. That fact that ccp is favoring the likes of you is disgusting and repulsive. Learn to scout, learn to bookmark, learn to use the directional scanner. The reason why 90% of you losers die in lowsec is because you don't even try. You don't even give this game the respect wow raiders give warcraft. At least they go and look up how to do something rather than going in blind. Your an embarrassment to all of us and you dont even know it. Once upon a time this game was all about being CHALLENGED. Not having it handed to you. Thus, everything meant more. Hell, there was a time when there were no tutorials at all. You had to figure it out. YOU never would have made it out of the station.
CCP your job is not to protect anyone! SANDBOX hello!! Throw them in the fire and let god sort them. Thats the roots of EVE online. Now all the spoiled little brats are taking over including this CCP clown. Its lowsec, its lawless, THAT is the point. You want security go to null and make it yourself or stay your butt in highsec. You wanna fight, come to my hood.
...and you ..you sniveling little. keep you dirty little, short sighted, numb-skull 'ideas' off my game. Keep messing with it and you will loose money. I got years in this. And if you ban me or anyone eles for giving it to you straight then this game deserves to fail.
....oh and /signed! |
Zarian Uphius
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.08.03 22:05:00 -
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How is this change at all good for lowsec?
What happens when I undock as a pirate?
Why are you going to limit my targets in lowsec to only be faction warfare targets...since engaging anything that gives you GCC will result in death.
If this change is going to happen can you just add concord to lowsec so I can move my freighter through space faster? Although with how these changes sound a freighter will be safe from most things but the largest of gate camps.
Why do you want to make lowsec HARDER to pvp in? |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
606
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Posted - 2012.08.03 22:11:00 -
[178] - Quote
Tara Read wrote:same old bottle of *I don't want risk*
Nothing you argue from the beginning shows low sec will be worst, you keep complaining and talking about null and your glorious null sec experience yadayada, it's ok, so lets move on and try to stick to the real problem you're making: low sec will die !
Why? -because you rage quit with the few actually thinking like you just like the guy above?
Bah, let's admit for a second because of this change at least 15% of high sec population (many already lived in null/low/wh's) finds thins change finally the one that actually gives them the little plus for a try and actually accept the risk to go there for better rewards. It's far more players getting in to low sec than whatever number leaves because they can't tank gates more than a few seconds.
Serious pirates and good low sec players already stated this change will not change their way of low sec living, just change some tactics. The real problem will be something else: the roaming gangs and *gudfights* at gates (notice the difference) and the aggression system making so they can't loot the field and so make profits out of their activity.
What are you proposing? I have one of proposal but not sure you're going to like it, take gate guns away and let bombs+bubbles be used in low sec.
Is your problem solved now?
brb |
Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
36
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Posted - 2012.08.03 22:19:00 -
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Scion Lex wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:Finally! Trade can finally come to lowsec. Players can enter in ship sizes larger than frigates. EVERY lowsec access point will no longer be permacamped. Corporations now have a legitimate reason to live in lowsec. Miners and explorers now have an acceptable margin of risk. The most unbalanced risk/reward area of space is finally seeing balance. PI can really take off now. Corporations are more inclined to moon mine lesser materials. There will be a massive influx of players for pirates to shoot at.
Finally! The most neglected aspect of this game is finally starting to receive love. You bitter vets who hate change of any kind, you're welcome to cancel all five million of your accounts. The game will be changing and your inability/unwillingness to adapt is your own fault. Good riddance. Your an idiot, plan and simple. You don't know how to fly. PERIOD. Trade happens all the time. I fly an impel through lowsec and have never, ever lost it. What? You think the folks I shoot at wouldn't love to pop it? I live off of PI. That fact that ccp is favoring the likes of you is disgusting and repulsive. Learn to scout, learn to bookmark, learn to use the directional scanner. The reason why 90% of you losers die in lowsec is because you don't even try. You don't even give this game the respect wow raiders give warcraft. At least they go and look up how to do something rather than going in blind. Your an embarrassment to all of us and you dont even know it. Once upon a time this game was all about being CHALLENGED. Not having it handed to you. Thus, everything meant more. Hell, there was a time when there were no tutorials at all. You had to figure it out. YOU never would have made it out of the station. CCP your job is not to protect anyone! SANDBOX hello!! Throw them in the fire and let god sort them. Thats the roots of EVE online. Now all the spoiled little brats are taking over including this CCP clown. Its lowsec, its lawless, THAT is the point. You want security go to null and make it yourself or stay your butt in highsec. You wanna fight, come to my hood. ...and you ..you sniveling little. keep you dirty little, short sighted, numb-skull 'ideas' off my game. Keep messing with it and you will loose money. I got years in this. And if you ban me or anyone eles for giving it to you straight then this game deserves to fail. ....oh and /signed!
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Scion Lex
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tara Read wrote:same old bottle of *I don't want risk* Nothing you argue from the beginning shows low sec will be worst, you keep complaining and talking about null and your glorious null sec experience yadayada, it's ok, so lets move on and try to stick to the real problem you're making: low sec will die ! Why? -because you rage quit with the few actually thinking like you just like the guy above? Bah, let's admit for a second because of this change at least 15% of high sec population (many already lived in null/low/wh's) finds thins change finally the one that actually gives them the little plus for a try and actually accept the risk to go there for better rewards. It's far more players getting in to low sec than whatever number leaves because they can't tank gates more than a few seconds. Serious pirates and good low sec players already stated this change will not change their way of low sec living, just change some tactics. The real problem will be something else: the roaming gangs and *gudfights* at gates (notice the difference) and the aggression system making so they can't loot the field and so make profits out of their activity. What are you proposing? I have one of proposal but not sure you're going to like it, take gate guns away and let bombs+bubbles be used in low sec. Is your problem solved now?
no professor....scroll up. its not about just looting the fights. Its the fact that all of you are too lazy to figure it out. It is not that hard to survive and succeed in lowsec. People are lazy. This favors that laziness, which shouldn't be a core value of a 'sandbox'. YOU don't want to die....how sad for you. Most of the pirates you are so afraid of started as noobs to pvp and THEY figured it out. And what do we get for our hard work, nerfed into nothing. The reason there aren't a lot of fight off gate is people know better, not mechanics. There is nothing wrong with lowsec as it is. You kids slip through all the time...some of you don't. As it should be.
This change takes away our freedom as players and forces use to pvp in an arena like enviroment. The folks that compare this to a 'wow' like change are right on. leave the guns alone and learn to scout. Use Dotlan, use the ingame map and most of all understand there are risks. If you want to 'Improve' lowsec make the guns track like every other gun and increase the rewards.
As far as flagging....make the timers reflect who your flagged by, what for and give time seperate timers that don't overlay. They also should reset properly which they don't always do.
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