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Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:48:00 -
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Alright I normally don't get involved in the gripe fests that surround game mechanics. Personally I've played Eve off and on since 2004 with a few breaks here and there and seen many changes come to New Eden. Some for the better some for worse, but overall I must hand it to CCP they've kept me coming back for more with new opportunities and changes.
Eve to me has always basically been be whatever you want. Want to fight for a faction? Done. Want to make billions or risk losing it all in a Wormhole? Done. Research? Done. Be part of some conglomerate of null sec knuckleheads (grin) Done.
Myself Piracy has always been a dark lust. Preying upon those fool enough to step into the depths of unlawful space has been one of the main reasons why I love this game. Low sec to me has always been home. It's also where I have made some very good friends and seen some of the brightest players in Eve come and go over the years.
Yet today the announcement by CCP Greyscale stating Sentry Gun changes has me more than worried. This move could potentially destroy what is left of any activity in Low Sec. We all know the saying: Low Sec is dead. Why do you ask? Much of the traffic that was coming into low sec was due profit that was still viable a few years back.
Now with the major null sec alliances keeping a vice grip on any and everything it has shown that low sec is nothing but old news except sadly for systems you pass through on your way to null or back into high sec. For those of us still around it's still home.
Here is what was quoted by CCP Greyscale in the minutes released yesterday:
CSM minutes wrote: CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out.
What does this mean? Essentially it is led up to interpretation but anyone "suspect" hence anyone with negative sec status will essentially be fired upon in low sec. GCC no longer becomes applicable and fights on gates now will be reduced to under 5 minutes or until all aggressor's are destroyed.
This also means that while traveling through Low Sec even without GCC someone would potentially be fired upon. This also means that Sentries will simply be untankable even with different persons sharing the aggression during a fight.
It effectively stops any combat after 5 minutes for the aggressor and further kills any sort of decent fight that may be had off a gate except for a quick gank and run which really isn't a decent fight anyways,
I personally feel this is a tremendous mistake not only due to Sentry mechanics, but how such mechanics will force players OUT of Low Sec permanently to either high sec or for many of us the unappealing systems in Null.
I understand some here may only see this in terms of Gatecamps. However it not only effects camps but the very combat mechanics that will now have to be dealt with in Low Sec putting anyone with low security status at a dismal disadvantage during a fight which would eventually end in a loss after 4 to 5 minutes regardless.
With such mechanics in place it has already been discussed by myself and others in my alliance that if such changes were indeed implemented we'd have no desire to move out to Null to conform and would most likely unsubscribe.
Many of us who live in Low Sec have played this game for far too long to see the last bit of what makes this game fun to us essentially twisted and contorted into a region that will now truly be "dead".
I beseech CCP Greyscale and others to rethink these mechanics not only for the players who call Low Sec home, but also in regards to the future limited combat in Low Sec which would thus make it truly unfavorable and unwanted.
If these changes do go into effect I for one will be unsubscribing all three of my accounts and simply moving on. It's not worth my time and money to be forced into regions of Eve I feel are hardly fun or appealing.
Please sign below if you agree. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:54:00 -
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/Signed.
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Serena Serene
Selective Hearing Nearly Feared
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:57:00 -
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Is it sure "suspect" really means all people with a negative security status? Or could it have to do anything with changes to how "criminal flagging" works? I read about such a thing a while ago and now I'm not sure about the terminology here. |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:59:00 -
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Serena Serene wrote:Is it sure "suspect" really means all people with a negative security status? Or could it have to do anything with changes to how "criminal flagging" works? I read about such a thing a while ago and now I'm not sure about the terminology here.
It is up to interpretation and has such a grey area which is what worries me. There has been no in depth details on what "suspect" actually is which could very well mean security status.
The very fact that sentries would be able to break anything up to and including a triage carrier in 5 minutes makes this even more unacceptable. |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:00:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:/Signed.
Thanks. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:00:00 -
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Can my Domi, be allowed to fit a few of those into it? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Pipa Porto
618
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:07:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Serena Serene wrote:Is it sure "suspect" really means all people with a negative security status? Or could it have to do anything with changes to how "criminal flagging" works? I read about such a thing a while ago and now I'm not sure about the terminology here. It is up to interpretation and has such a grey area which is what worries me. There has been no in depth details on what "suspect" actually is which could very well mean security status. The very fact that sentries would be able to break anything up to and including a triage carrier in 5 minutes makes this even more unacceptable.
"Suspect" is their new, wide reaching Crimewatch replacement for aggression flags.
The "Suspect" flag is pretty terrible for other reasons, but having crazy-strong sentry guns shooting you for looting the field or helping your friend who's been attacked while looting the field is adding extra terrible on top of the terrible that it brings to HS combat. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:11:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Tara Read wrote:Serena Serene wrote:Is it sure "suspect" really means all people with a negative security status? Or could it have to do anything with changes to how "criminal flagging" works? I read about such a thing a while ago and now I'm not sure about the terminology here. It is up to interpretation and has such a grey area which is what worries me. There has been no in depth details on what "suspect" actually is which could very well mean security status. The very fact that sentries would be able to break anything up to and including a triage carrier in 5 minutes makes this even more unacceptable. "Suspect" is their new, wide reaching Crimewatch replacement for aggression flags. The "Suspect" flag is pretty terrible for other reasons, but having crazy-strong sentry guns shooting you for looting the field or helping your friend who's been attacked while looting the field is adding extra terrible on top of the terrible that it brings to HS combat.
So they essentially replaced aggression timers with a blanket reasoning to shoot you. Interesting how they thought this would bring more people to low sec. Missioners sure but combat wise? Hardly. |
Alice Saki
1253
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:13:00 -
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...I already get enough hassle from the Navy in Highsec, Do we really need this? Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, GINGER PRIDE xD Oh and PICKLES! |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
97
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:18:00 -
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/signed even though this doesn't really affect me
Pipa Porto wrote:
"Suspect" is their new, wide reaching Crimewatch replacement for aggression flags.
The "Suspect" flag is pretty terrible for other reasons, but having crazy-strong sentry guns shooting you for looting the field or helping your friend who's been attacked while looting the field is adding extra terrible on top of the terrible that it brings to HS combat.
This. Given his recent track record of proposed changes, I wouldn't count on CCP Greyscale formulating a reasonable reply. His posts in threads about the crimewatch changes were awful. |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:20:00 -
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/signed
Ps.: I have no problem spending my money on another Game CCP. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:20:00 -
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Tara Read wrote: So they essentially replaced aggression timers with a blanket reasoning to shoot you. Interesting how they thought this would bring more people to low sec. Missioners sure but combat wise? Hardly.
I don't know about bringing missioners. I mean since there is a ramp up that can't even off a Ceptor to start they will still be grabed at gates by positive sec tackle and have a bunch of guys just off grid warp in and gank them quick. Sides that the same probing mechanics and all still apply. I don't really see any extra safty to Missioners, Newbie Explorers and other easy ganks. They will still get the brunt of it in the 8 or so different ways I thought of to screw them over in the first 10secs after I read this.
I have seen a Triage Archon camping a gate before. We just finished offing their first Navy Geddon when it dropped in and our fleet could not break their tank so we warped out. We lost the fight because they had a Superior force which is what is supposed to happen. Nothing that could be thought of as anything but a fleet fight albeit lopsided (EVE) would be better off if that Archon wasn't there.
This seems to IMO just lessen real fights and play into the hands of swift gankers popping little guys. Perhaps this is CCP's replacement mechanic for the Barge Buff.
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Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:22:00 -
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A petition to CCP Greyscale on Sentry Mechanics .
Maybe better "A petition to CCP Greyscale STOP MAKING WOW OUT OF EVE ".
CCP Greyscale start playing game a bit?Your changes to any in EVE are just sign that you don't have clue what you are doing. You want to prevent blobing on gates and in same time you are killing solo pvp almost fully in low sec.
WTF is that CCP Greyscale?You want to make game so dumb that you get more subs or what ?Blizzard did that and guess what ,you have many player that couldn't play **** easy game migrated to EVE.And now you want to do same to EVE.
Go to Blizzard man and we wish you luck .Or if nothing try to play this game for moment and have some idea what you are doing.And that is safe heaven for all people in high sec and null to be as much stupid as they want.Why ? Cause both areas are carebear heavens nothing more nothing less.If you thing real pvp is get moon goo and make 1000 ships and put 999 mindless guys with one that "know" something ,than I am sad to say this was once nice game. |
Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:24:00 -
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If capitals on gates is a problem (personally I've never seen any capitals camping lowsec gates) then the most logical step would be to add citadel torpedo launchers that only target capitals. An analysis: fixing active tanking in a logical manner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693846 |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:28:00 -
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Takeshi Yamato wrote:If capitals on gates is a problem (personally I've never seen any capitals camping lowsec gates) then the most logical step would be to add citadel torpedo launchers that only target capitals.
I've only seen a Moros once off a Low Sec gate and we just about killed it. No serious Pirate is going to risk a capital off a gate with titan bridge's and the like around. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:29:00 -
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A statement from greyscale that may be to the detriment of the game
I am surprised! |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:34:00 -
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Ana Fox wrote:A petition to CCP Greyscale on Sentry Mechanics .
Maybe better "A petition to CCP Greyscale STOP MAKING WOW OUT OF EVE ".
CCP Greyscale start playing game a bit?Your changes to any in EVE are just sign that you don't have clue what you are doing. You want to prevent blobing on gates and in same time you are killing solo pvp almost fully in low sec.
WTF is that CCP Greyscale?You want to make game so dumb that you get more subs or what ?Blizzard did that and guess what ,you have many player that couldn't play **** easy game migrated to EVE.And now you want to do same to EVE.
Go to Blizzard man and we wish you luck .Or if nothing try to play this game for moment and have some idea what you are doing.And that is safe heaven for all people in high sec and null to be as much stupid as they want.Why ? Cause both areas are carebear heavens nothing more nothing less.If you thing real pvp is get moon goo and make 1000 ships and put 999 mindless guys with one that "know" something ,than I am sad to say this was once nice game.
Piracy is probably the last bastion of what one would call "pvp". I love the small gangs, the people you get to know personally and the role you play. It's not just hit F1 and alpha something with 300 other pilots to prop up your mistake. Sadly Null sec fights quickly turn into a war of attrition where these people think holding "sov" makes you somehow superior.
Small gang warfare and fights are the only thing that pretty much keep me coming back. Well that and the tremendous amount of tears. Oh lord those tears are so so sweet... |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:36:00 -
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Just when I thought CCP could not get more ********........
The ramping up sounds dumb, should have just changed tracking mechanics so that smaller ships would have a chance on the gate, as long as they kept transversal up. Hitting bigger targets harder is fine...but having the guns attack everyone with negative sec status at once...?? How does that make any sense?
Some of the other ideas are just as crazy, if it's true they are talking about removing POS shields, then Supers are dead, only as matter of time.
Nerf the game into Oblivion CCP, let us know how it works out...... "CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:37:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Tara Read wrote: So they essentially replaced aggression timers with a blanket reasoning to shoot you. Interesting how they thought this would bring more people to low sec. Missioners sure but combat wise? Hardly.
I don't know about bringing missioners. I mean since there is a ramp up that can't even off a Ceptor to start they will still be grabed at gates by positive sec tackle and have a bunch of guys just off grid warp in and gank them quick. Sides that the same probing mechanics and all still apply. I don't really see any extra safty to Missioners, Newbie Explorers and other easy ganks. They will still get the brunt of it in the 8 or so different ways I thought of to screw them over in the first 10secs after I read about this mechanic. I have seen a Triage Archon camping a gate before. We just finished offing their first Navy Geddon in a Faction BS Fleet they had when it dropped in and our fleet could not break their tank so we warped out. We lost the fight with casualties because they had a Superior force which is what is supposed to happen. Nothing that could be thought of as anything but a fleet fight albeit lopsided (EVE) would be better off if that Archon wasn't there. The lone Gank victem would have died to those ships anyway. This seems to IMO just lessen real fights and play into the hands of swift gankers popping little guys. Perhaps this is CCP's replacement mechanic for the gankers who lost out on the Barge Buff.
It will make good fights more and more scarce that is for certain. I could care less if I lose a ship if it's in one hell of a damned good fight.
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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
17
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:40:00 -
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Oh the Pirate tears, delicious :) |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
76
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:48:00 -
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Guess its just what Sony tells CCP: Make the Game more attractive for people that are used to WOW but grew out of it and make it a "hello kitty in space". It is pure greed. We do not even have to talk about the fact that epic gate fights will not happen anymore...You will not have the time to ransom other players anymore which will result in EVERYBODY catched by a camp just getting podded (until CCP breaks podding in low sec as well)... |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:50:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Guess its just what Sony tells CCP: Make the Game more attractive for people that are used to WOW but grew out of it and make it a "hello kitty in space". It is pure greed. We do not even have to talk about the fact that epic gate fights will not happen anymore...You will not have the time to ransom other players anymore which will result in EVERYBODY catched by a camp just getting podded (until CCP breaks podding in low sec as well)...
I never even thought about the inability to ransom someone. Well this actually DOES kill Piracy in it's truest form..... |
Pipa Porto
618
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:50:00 -
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Hazen Koraka wrote:Oh the Pirate tears, delicious :)
Let's compare situations.
When the changes in Crucible were announced, the miners cheered, proudly proclaiming that Suicide Ganking would end. And the Ice interdiction never repeated.
Then, when neither happened, they started crying big wet tears and entirely forgot that their ships were more expensive than ever to gank.
They got their tanks (cost to gank) effectively buffed by a good margin, and cried about the results.
The gate gun change eliminates the PvP equivalent to mining, that's often the only significant source of income for pirates who don't have income generating alts. The pirates have taken notice, and are pointing out the bad effects this will have.
If the changes do go into effect, pirates will keep camping, they'll just have to use different (and probably more effective) means to do it. They'll adapt (though the LS population will likely shrink again).
Basically, "Don't kill gate camping" != "Oh God, I'm helpless, please change the game so I don't have to learn to X" EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Lifewire
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:50:00 -
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CCP... |
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:52:00 -
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/signed
Also + fire this guy... these ideas should never have even been mentioned.
Ya the carrier dies at 4 and 1/2 min of what? gun fire ONLY? or being shot at too by the fleet on it?
HOW THICK CAN YOU BE?
o ya... so if NO ONE shoots the carrier it dies in 4 and 1/2 min... um and if they do? What are we down to? 1min? LAWL...
ALL this does... ganks = easier (remote sebo the **** out of a ceptor who won't insta die) ALL g/fs are GONE as you can not say on a gate... that's it... no gang jumps into another and dukes it out...
I can't wait to see fleets of like 50... sit on a gate and not aggro because of the guns ROFL.
They do this I'm out. Not even going to give a chance for them to fix it either... if this gets put on the table... eve's time is marked. IDC about "eve is dying" it will be if CCP takes this route. |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
48
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:55:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Hazen Koraka wrote:Oh the Pirate tears, delicious :) Let's compare situations. When the changes in Crucible were announced, the miners cheered, proudly proclaiming that Suicide Ganking would end. And the Ice interdiction never repeated. Then, when neither happened, they started crying big wet tears and entirely forgot that their ships were more expensive than ever to gank. They got their tanks (cost to gank) effectively buffed by a good margin, and cried about the results. The gate gun change eliminates the PvP equivalent to mining, that's often the only significant source of income for pirates who don't have income generating alts. The pirates have taken notice, and are pointing out the bad effects this will have. If the changes do go into effect, pirates will keep camping, they'll just have to use different (and probably more effective) means to do it. They'll adapt (though the LS population will likely shrink again). Basically, "Don't kill gate camping" != "Oh God, I'm helpless, please change the game so I don't have to learn to X"
There is no adapting here. All the decent fights will be moot due to a timer applied once aggression starts. All you will have is even cheaper means of snagging kills instead of people actually committing to a fight. Yeah there's no (pirate) honor in that.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
131
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:55:00 -
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MY CAMPING BACKBONE!
There are plenty of other ways/places to get a fight. HTFU. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
76
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:58:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Hazen Koraka wrote:Oh the Pirate tears, delicious :) Let's compare situations. When the changes in Crucible were announced, the miners cheered, proudly proclaiming that Suicide Ganking would end. And the Ice interdiction never repeated. Then, when neither happened, they started crying big wet tears and entirely forgot that their ships were more expensive than ever to gank. They got their tanks (cost to gank) effectively buffed by a good margin, and cried about the results. The gate gun change eliminates the PvP equivalent to mining, that's often the only significant source of income for pirates who don't have income generating alts. The pirates have taken notice, and are pointing out the bad effects this will have. If the changes do go into effect, pirates will keep camping, they'll just have to use different (and probably more effective) means to do it. They'll adapt (though the LS population will likely shrink again). Basically, "Don't kill gate camping" != "Oh God, I'm helpless, please change the game so I don't have to learn to X"
Sure we are going to adapt...no question about it. BUT if you cannot even loot the field you can not make money. If you can not ransom, you can not make money. Do not even dream of saving a cyno bait under this circumstances.... Additionally I am curious if station guns also shoot everyxthing upwards a suspect...try to dock with a frig under this circumstances...undocking with a warp out may work, but if docking is delayed just some seconds you can forget frigs in lowsec compleatly |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
48
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Posted - 2012.08.03 08:01:00 -
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Soi Mala wrote:MY CAMPING BACKBONE!
There are plenty of other ways/places to get a fight. HTFU.
Meet me in Nandeza at planet 1. I'd love to hear your contribution to this discussion
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
145
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Posted - 2012.08.03 08:10:00 -
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/signed
Does Greyscale think that this change will improve combat in low-sec? Wouldn't be the first time he made changes, the results of which were the exact opposite of his stated intentions. And coming back a year later and telling us all "oops" was kind of too late. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
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