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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:45:00 -
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So a site that shall remain unnamed due to its title, just posted an article on "The Case for Removing Learning Implants"
The best quote from this article was, "Empire players tend to have a huge advantage in this regard - they can do virtually everything with a full +5s and hardwirings since pods can warp out almost instantly in the event that they lose a ship, and NPCs never shoot pods in any case. Players in nullsec generally find themselves with implants that speed up the skills they may be training at that time and inexpensive hardwirings, simply because losing a pod is nearly inevitable after losing a ship when bubbled."
So in reality the whole thread was another "Make Null even safer" thread.
Being that you can still get ganked in Hi-sec and podded, hi sec dwellers still have the ability to have their implants destroyed. The null sec residence how ever has chosen a more PvP based life style with the risks attached.
Removing implants would just be a step in dumbing down EvE and making the Nullbears less risk exposed.
They go on and on about how easy Hi-sec is while fighting to have Null made even safer.
So all in all don't bother reading it, its just more covert Null tears.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
688
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:46:00 -
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Sorry to ruin the suprise, but it was EveNews24
EVENEWS24
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1111
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:47:00 -
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NPCs should pod.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
688
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:49:00 -
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^ Wouldn't that mostly affect new players, or incursion runners, or not incursion runners.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:50:00 -
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Roime wrote:NPCs should pod.
Personally I would just like them to be smarter than they are.
The whole "This guy is tanking our damage, so we will just ignore the rest of the people shooting us" is a bit daft.
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
Elysian Empire
324
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:51:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:So a site that shall remain unnamed due to its title, just posted an article on "The Case for Removing Learning Implants"
The best quote from this article was, "Empire players tend to have a huge advantage in this regard - they can do virtually everything with a full +5s and hardwirings since pods can warp out almost instantly in the event that they lose a ship, and NPCs never shoot pods in any case. Players in nullsec generally find themselves with implants that speed up the skills they may be training at that time and inexpensive hardwirings, simply because losing a pod is nearly inevitable after losing a ship when bubbled."
So in reality the whole thread was another "Make Null even safer" thread.
Being that you can still get ganked in Hi-sec and podded, hi sec dwellers still have the ability to have their implants destroyed. The null sec residence how ever has chosen a more PvP based life style with the risks attached.
Removing implants would just be a step in dumbing down EvE and making the Nullbears less risk exposed.
They go on and on about how easy Hi-sec is while fighting to have Null made even safer.
So all in all don't bother reading it, its just more covert Null tears.
Will the terribad null players ever stop crying? Wah wah there's a cloaked neutral in my system, change game mechanics. Wah wah I want my pod to be as safe as hisec player pods. Wah wah whatever.
Man up, nullbears. |
Riot Girl
State War Academy
Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:56:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Roime wrote:NPCs should pod. Personally I would just like them to be smarter than they are. The whole "This guy is tanking our damage, so we will just ignore the rest of the people shooting us" is a bit daft.
Maybe you should try some sleeper sites.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:57:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Roime wrote:NPCs should pod. Personally I would just like them to be smarter than they are. The whole "This guy is tanking our damage, so we will just ignore the rest of the people shooting us" is a bit daft. Maybe you should try some sleeper sites.
I do
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:57:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Roime wrote:NPCs should pod. Personally I would just like them to be smarter than they are. The whole "This guy is tanking our damage, so we will just ignore the rest of the people shooting us" is a bit daft.
I think the reason for it is, that even NPCs find the normal PvE boring in this game, so they have resorted to botting it. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:58:00 -
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rodyas wrote:^ Wouldn't that mostly affect new players, or incursion runners, or not incursion runners.
NPCs that new players meet should probably not pod, I'm mostly thinking about faction navies and CONCORD podding criminals, and high-end PVE.
Also what Frying Doom said, it really is time fix the broken empire rat AI and make PVE more realistic.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:58:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:So in reality the whole thread was another "Make Null even safer" thread.
That's horseshit from start to finish. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
684
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:59:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Sorry to ruin the suprise, but it was EveNews24
EVENEWS24
Yep that guy didn't realised yet sebo'd arty Thrashers can perfectly shoot high sec pods too. But as you just said it's EveNews24... nothing interesting to read over there.
brb |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
102
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:02:00 -
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well the thing is
CCP is trying to split the gamer population.. giving it a more defined definition.
High sec : Safe zone for the anti-social and timid nerds
Low sec : Low life that gets bullied in school and now is trying to make up for it, and incursion runners too.
Null sec : For the gladiators and intellectuals of the society , trying to make a name for themselves by exploring the riches of the unknown.
So... EVEN if people buys your argument, the very aim of it alone would make the chances of it actually being implemented VERY slim
Life is complicated. When the war came I did bad things; after the war I thought nothing of doing bad things. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people. Maybe here things will be different.. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
684
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:02:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:So a site that shall remain unnamed due to its title, just posted an article on "The Case for Removing Learning Implants"
The best quote from this article was, "Empire players tend to have a huge advantage in this regard - they can do virtually everything with a full +5s and hardwirings since pods can warp out almost instantly in the event that they lose a ship, and NPCs never shoot pods in any case. Players in nullsec generally find themselves with implants that speed up the skills they may be training at that time and inexpensive hardwirings, simply because losing a pod is nearly inevitable after losing a ship when bubbled."
So in reality the whole thread was another "Make Null even safer" thread.
Being that you can still get ganked in Hi-sec and podded, hi sec dwellers still have the ability to have their implants destroyed. The null sec residence how ever has chosen a more PvP based life style with the risks attached.
Removing implants would just be a step in dumbing down EvE and making the Nullbears less risk exposed.
They go on and on about how easy Hi-sec is while fighting to have Null made even safer.
So all in all don't bother reading it, its just more covert Null tears. Will the terribad null players ever stop crying? Wah wah there's a cloaked neutral in my system, change game mechanics. Wah wah I want my pod to be as safe as hisec player pods. Wah wah whatever. Man up, nullbears.
Please don't put all null sec players in the same box than EveNews whatever dudes. They're a shame for null sec players.
brb |
Aranial
Empyrean Warriors
The Obsidian Front
7
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:06:00 -
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Article isn't on EVENEWS24.
Regardless, the amount of time I've said or corpies or others have said 'cant go null sec cause of implants...' true its not always learning implants 50% of the time its pirate implants. So yes getting rid of learning implants would be great, especially for all the new players and the benefit of improved training times they would receive I'm sure would go down well. If anything removing learning implants would make the gap between old and new players even smaller due to the reduced training times for new players. So overall I think it would be a good idea to certainly consider. |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
Axiom Solaris
149
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:07:00 -
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Learning implants serve a purpose. Players willing to train Cybernetics V will gain an advantage over time. Players not willing to train Cybernetics V will not notice much of a difference. Learning skills needed to go. Learning implants are perfectly fine.
Maybe the nullsec players should HTFU and jump clone into a fresh clone if there is a risk of them losing their capsule? |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
688
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:08:00 -
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But to defend EveNews24 for writing this article, what about sec loss of shooting pods? Seems to high to do that and still gain entry to hi sec for more pod shooting.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4496
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:12:00 -
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Roime wrote:rodyas wrote:^ Wouldn't that mostly affect new players, or incursion runners, or not incursion runners. NPCs that new players meet should probably not pod, I'm mostly thinking about faction navies and CONCORD podding criminals, and high-end PVE. Also what Frying Doom said, it really is time fix the broken empire rat AI and make PVE more realistic.
If the space guards shoot pods, all NPCs should shoot pods as well. At least L4/incursion NPCs.
please leave |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:12:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:
That's horseshit from start to finish.
I agree completely the article was horseshit from start to finish.
The Null bears really should stop calling hi-sec dwellers risk adverse when they are more risk adverse than the Null sec dwellers.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:13:00 -
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It's not on evenews24, it's on http://themittani.com/features/case-removing-learning-implants |
Aranial
Empyrean Warriors
The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:14:00 -
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Link to article just so people actually read before they make a judgement:
http://themittani.com/features/case-removing-learning-implants
Edit: Damn ninja'd  |
Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:15:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:
That's horseshit from start to finish.
I agree completely the article was horseshit from start to finish. The Null bears really should stop calling hi-sec dwellers risk adverse when they are more risk adverse than the Null sec dwellers.
I don't use +3, +4 or +5 implants for one simple reason: I can't be ******* arsed to replace them all the time. I see absolutely no problem with them going away. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4498
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:16:00 -
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it's funny how you post a thread discussing the article without a link to the article
please leave |
Arec Bardwin
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:16:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Will the terribad null players ever stop crying? Wah wah there's a cloaked neutral in my system, change game mechanics. Wah wah I want my pod to be as safe as hisec player pods. Wah wah whatever.
Man up, nullbears.
Please don't put all null sec players in the same box than EveNews whatever dudes. They're a shame for null sec players. To be fair, the article was posted on the Goon news site, named after a piece of hand garment.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:17:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:
That's horseshit from start to finish.
I agree completely the article was horseshit from start to finish. The Null bears really should stop calling hi-sec dwellers risk adverse when they are more risk adverse than the Null sec dwellers. I don't use +3, +4 or +5 implants for one simple reason: I can't be ******* arsed to replace them all the time. I see absolutely no problem with them going away.
So because you choose Null sec PvP everyone should have to be on par with what you choose to do?
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4498
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:18:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:
That's horseshit from start to finish.
I agree completely the article was horseshit from start to finish. The Null bears really should stop calling hi-sec dwellers risk adverse when they are more risk adverse than the Null sec dwellers.
the "nullbears" risk expensive ships far more often than anybody else
please leave |
Lord Zim
1186
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:18:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:So because you choose Null sec PvP everyone should have to be on par with what you choose to do?
Frying Doom, meet strawman. Strawman, meet Frying Doom.
Shake hands, now. |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
282
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:18:00 -
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Andski wrote:it's funny how you post a thread discussing the article without a link to the article
But he can only refute one paragraph |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:18:00 -
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Andski wrote:it's funny how you post a thread discussing the article without a link to the article
I deliberately chose not to reference that site.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
609
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:18:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Will the terribad null players ever stop crying? Wah wah there's a cloaked neutral in my system, change game mechanics.
Eh? More like change systems. Problem solved. Of course if you're a stupid renter with only one system then yeah, you're pretty much forked.
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