Pretty funny how you can make a 6 page thread about and article and not a single post actually discussed the article.

Anyway, making this thread about your so called 'nullbears' instead of what the article is really about is pretty stupid, even for you, but I guess preventing newbies from doing PvP in a PvP-centric game is good game design, especially if the big bad goons are against it.

Learning implants are like ships. Everyone has to use them but there are reasonable choices as to which ones to use. Like ships, people can easily switch between them as their needs change.

Just as different ships come with different price tags (and levels of effectiveness) so do implants (learning or otherwise). If you are doing high-risk pvp, you can choose to use a cheap throw-away Rifter and leave your 2.5 BN Tengu at home. Likewise, if you are going to cruise hostile null space, you might hop into a clone with +3s in just a couple skills since the chance of you getting bubbled and podded is high.

The fact that you can get +3 implants with Cybernetics I means that the choice of implants for an early player is largely a factor of ISK, rather than training time. This is what separates Cybernetics and the implants from the learning skills of yore.

No one read it.
If they want to be read, they should first fix their font size, color and type.

Pretty funny how you can make a 6 page thread about and article and not a single post actually discussed the article.

Anyway, making this thread about your so called 'nullbears' instead of what the article is really about is pretty stupid, even for you, but I guess preventing newbies from doing PvP in a PvP-centric game is good game design, especially if the big bad goons are against it.

A few things, in no particular order:

1. Stop pretending like people are proposing this change for newbies. Everyone understands it's for nullsec guys.

6. Choices and risk are what make Eve the game it is. The people whining for total learning implant removal are no better than miners whining for mining barge changes (although in the end, the mining barge changes weren't all that bad).

Also, if you read the comments section on the article, it's pretty clear that the author is dumber than a box of rocks.

Are these groups mutually exclusive?



You're right, removing learning implants would remove all risk from the game. Losses would no longer matter and there would be no choices left.



As opposed to those angry about how somebody would ~dare~ suggest such an idea that would obviously threaten the very fabric of the game.

1. No, the groups aren't mutually exclusive, but it's perfectly valid to get annoyed when someone claims it's for one group when it's obviously for another (see: tax cuts and modern politics).

2. Straw man, and you obviously can't read.

3. I'm not angry, I just think you're hilariously wrong. Also, I wasn't referring to you as an idiot for coming up with/repeating the idea of learning implants, but your hilarious power trip and threats to ban people who disagree with you in the comments section of the article.

Try harder. Consider refuting some of the points that myself or others make in this thread.

So how does this benefit older players and not newbies?



You're assuming that those who regularly PvP with implants plugged in wouldn't just switch to hardwirings if they were removed. Learning implants are not the only implants in the game. Of course I used a straw man just to show how ridiculous it is to bring up "risk" and "choices" considering that you'd still have plenty of choices with how to go about buying implants.



If you disagree with me, that's fine. If you're just going to post dumb comments like "well the author should just go back to hisec lol!" I don't really care for you.

1. It benefits nullsec players (disproportionately) in that they are by far the most likely to lose implants (sidenote: I would support bubble changes that would make shooting pods require SOME effort rather than lolfishinabarrel). It benefits newbies (disproportionately) as they are the least likely to have the ISK required to buy +3s and up. It is not necessarily tied to age.

2. It's not ridiculous to bring up risk and choices.
3. I don't think you'd see a massive switch to hardwirings. The people who aren't pvping because they're afraid to risk a pod with implants that gain them a few extra days/weeks a year aren't suddenly going to start spending equal or greater amounts on hardwirings. In their mind, ISK cost defines the risk, and that wouldn't go away depending on implant type. I'm not really quite sure what you're getting at here unless you think that they will decide that a 3% damage boost is a much more significant reward or something.

Yeah, CCP would have to do something to address the massive number of learning implants in people's hangars. I suppose that they could be "cashed in" at a given LP store for LP and an "ISK credit" (i.e. redeemable only through that LP store) to get other crap. vOv

I heard in an ~unnamed news source~ that OP is an idiot.

Also I PvP in +4s because #YOLO

The problem is though, people could use this as a way to get around not having to grind a specific faction for lps, and just dump them all for loot that sells a lot better. Sure this seems fair to the marketeers whkio spent a lot of time on the implant market, but it seems kind of lke a lazy fix. Giving them in to Concord sounds more logical, and maybe for a brief while, up to conversion rate for lps from 2:1 to something like 1.5:1, just for breathing room.

I heard in an ~unnamed news source~ that OP is an idiot.

Sorry to ruin the suprise, but it was EveNews24


EVENEWS24

Ladies and Gentlemen,

This character has clearly drank the DekCo koolaid. EN24 did not post that article. Obviously this was a post to slander EN24 and make it look like EN24 was trying to help remove learning implants. But this is not the case, it was a GOON who wrote the article and its published on a GOON propaganda website.

1. Almost every change made in the game has benefited one group disproportionately. This isn't a terribly big deal.

2. As I've said, learning implants are not the only thing you ever put at risk in your clone.

3. I'm fairly sure that many of those who would otherwise have their +3s or what have you plugged in when flying about would decide that if they were able to afford that, they'd switch to using hardwirings. A Zor's hyperlink gives you a huge benefit in a fast ship, capacitor hardwirings are almost universally useful - these are more situational rewards, sure, but you're not going to see the end of pods with implants by any stretch.

1. It's not a big deal from a balance perspective, and I never said it was. I just said it was annoying that people kept claiming that it was for newbies when it's obviously nullsec powerblocs lobbying for it.

2/3. I disagree. Some would, but I think many would not replace the implants with hardwirings of a roughly equal ISK value. With the exception of some of the more basic ones (e.g. Zor's), I think most people who currently go without hardwirings would continue to do so. TL;DR I think we'll see a vast decrease in implants lost (using ISK value as a metric) which translates into more risk free PvP (regardless of whether this is a good or bad thing).

This is my last post for a while, but I'll be back ITT later.

well the thing is
CCP is trying to split the gamer population.. giving it a more defined definition.
High sec : Safe zone for the anti-social and timid nerds
Low sec : Low life that gets bullied in school and now is trying to make up for it, and incursion runners too.
Null sec : For the gladiators and intellectuals of the society , trying to make a name for themselves by exploring the riches of the unknown.

So... EVEN if people buys your argument, the very aim of it alone would make the chances of it actually being implemented VERY slim

I heard in an ~unnamed news source~ that OP is an idiot.

I still think that allowing people to clone jump within the same station without a timer would be a better way of taking care of the "risk averse PVPer" problem.

Another **** article by a **** website nonshocker. Nothing to see here, move along.

I will try to find it for you as I cannot remember the title at the moment. I read a lot of articles.

If you can't afford replacing two +4s, you will probably struggle replacing your ships as well.

A few things, in no particular order:

1. Stop pretending like people are proposing this change for newbies. Everyone understands it's for nullsec guys.