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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:Frying Doom wrote:"Oh, you're not fitting learning implants? You must be having a strong dislike to risk or an opposition to loosing them!" By your logic: your last pod loss didn't have a single implant and the ship you lost was cheaply fitted. You are clearly risk averse. Yes I am and I also use a skiff so that should say it all. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
672
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Posted - 2012.09.01 12:49:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Members of RvB seem to get along quite well with things as they are and with learning skills removed you can actually use your character for PvP or what ever you like straight off the bat. Just FYI: RvB don't podkill. Would you like to clarify that statement that is incomplete. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
78
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:09:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Din Chao wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Members of RvB seem to get along quite well with things as they are and with learning skills removed you can actually use your character for PvP or what ever you like straight off the bat. Just FYI: RvB don't podkill. Edit My apologies RvB don't pod people in Red or Blue just everyone else. Yes, but this is also true of any other corp. Just saying, they're a poor example to build an argument on.
And just to get my 2-ó in, it's already been said in this thread, but "only fly what you can afford to replace" also applies to what's in your head. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
674
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:14:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Din Chao wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Members of RvB seem to get along quite well with things as they are and with learning skills removed you can actually use your character for PvP or what ever you like straight off the bat. Just FYI: RvB don't podkill. Edit My apologies RvB don't pod people in Red or Blue just everyone else. Yes, but this is also true of any other corp. Just saying, they're a poor example to build an argument on. And just to get my 2-ó in, it's already been said in this thread, but "only fly what you can afford to replace" also applies to what's in your head. On that I completely agree Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
674
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:51:00 -
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I will admit I don't believe it was a coincidence this article appeared on themittens.com the day after the announcement that Dr Caymus has entered the 200.000.000 skillpoint club. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
313
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Posted - 2012.09.01 13:54:00 -
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You were beginning to make a little sense. Then you just lost it again.
I can't afford to keep fitting +5s in my clone because I'd become bankrupt from multiple pod losses. Does that make me risk averse or does that make me realistic? I usually use +3s and sometimes I have to fight in my +4 clone. I don't like it but I do it anyway. Does that make me risk averse? I'd do it in +5s if I had the bank roll.
Just because people are willing to put up with a system doesn't mean that the system isn't broken. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
675
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Posted - 2012.09.01 14:13:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:You were beginning to make a little sense. Then you just lost it again.
I can't afford to keep fitting +5s in my clone because I'd become bankrupt from multiple pod losses. Does that make me risk averse or does that make me realistic? I usually use +3s and sometimes I have to fight in my +4 clone. I don't like it but I do it anyway. Does that make me risk averse? I'd do it in +5s if I had the bank roll.
Just because people are willing to put up with a system doesn't mean that the system isn't broken. Just because you cannot afford to do it does not make it broken, it just means you are choosing not to risk it.
I cannot afford to buy a Dreads and lose them multiple times without becoming bankrupt, does that mean that system is broken? or instead of flying dreads in PvP I could fly brutix and then have to worry a lot less about the numbers I loose. Just like putting in +2 or +3 implants instead of +5s. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
1202
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:36:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I cannot afford to buy a Dreads and lose them multiple times without becoming bankrupt, does that mean that system is broken? Do your dreads blow up if you choose a smaller, cheaper ship to fly? |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4511
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:51:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I will admit I don't believe it was a coincidence this article appeared on themittens.com the day after the announcement that Dr Caymus has entered the 200.000.000 skillpoint club.
I will admit that you this makes zero sense because it's not the first time somebody brings up removing learning implants and it won't be the last. Feel free to keep making connections that don't exist, though, it's amusing. please leave |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
329
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:51:00 -
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I love how this argument was lost before it even left the ground (by ground, im referring to the horrid 3rd party site from which it sprang) and yet, here it is, still with no compelling argument as to why Nullsec should have this particular risk removed beyond "aderp, cuz it halps us peeveepee, aderp".
Here's a tip for all you risk averse cry babies in Nullsec: Move to highsec, or lowsec if you can hack it, and stop crying.
You're making fools of yourself, beyond how foolish you normally look. Learning implants too expensive to replace? Don't use them. How difficult is that? Stop asking CCP to hold your hands and nerf learning implants for the rest of EVE because you can't make the retardedly simple decision to use them if you can afford it and not use them if you can't.
"BAAAAAAAAH!!! But then ours noobs suffer from slow skill training. BAAAAAAAHH!!!"
Then instruct those noobs about the risk / reward scenarios you're so fond of trotting out. Teach them how easy it is to setup jump clones (it's really ******* easy; hai Estel Arador and others). You could even, gasp, spread some of that sickening amount of wealth you hoard and do something that even Eve ******* University has figured out and provide +3 implants at a discounted rate. If Eve University can figure out a way to subsidize implants for it's noobs, i'm sure the great minds you have squirreled away in Null can come up with something similar. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4511
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:52:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:I love how this argument was lost before it even left the ground (by ground, im referring to the horrid 3rd party site from which it sprang) and yet, here it is, still with no compelling argument as to why Nullsec should have this particular risk removed beyond "aderp, cuz it halps us peeveepee, aderp".
Here's a tip for all you risk averse cry babies in Nullsec: Move to highsec, or lowsec if you can hack it, and stop crying.
You're making fools of yourself, beyond how foolish you normally look. Learning implants too expensive to replace? Don't use them. How difficult is that? Stop asking CCP to hold your hands and nerf learning implants for the rest of EVE because you can't make the retardedly simple decision to use them if you can afford it and not use them if you can't.
"BAAAAAAAAH!!! But then ours noobs suffer from slow skill training. BAAAAAAAHH!!!"
Then instruct those noobs about the risk / reward scenarios you're so fond of trotting out. Teach them how easy it is to setup jump clones (it's really ******* easy; hai Estel Arador and others). You could even, gasp, spread some of that sickening amount of wealth you hoard and do something that even Eve ******* University has figured out and provide +3 implants at a discounted rate. If Eve University can figure out a way to subsidize implants for it's noobs, i'm sure the great minds you have squirreled away in Null can come up with something similar.
your opinion is totally irrelevant to me though
glad that my article made you so ******* angry though please leave |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
593
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:52:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I will admit I don't believe it was a coincidence this article appeared on themittens.com the day after the announcement that Dr Caymus has entered the 200.000.000 skillpoint club. Are you suggesting that any of us feel threatened by Caymus's skillpoints? L O L http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
690
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:58:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:I love how this argument was lost before it even left the ground (by ground, im referring to the horrid 3rd party site from which it sprang) and yet, here it is, still with no compelling argument as to why Nullsec should have this particular risk removed beyond "aderp, cuz it halps us peeveepee, aderp".
Here's a tip for all you risk averse cry babies in Nullsec: Move to highsec, or lowsec if you can hack it, and stop crying.
You're making fools of yourself, beyond how foolish you normally look. Learning implants too expensive to replace? Don't use them. How difficult is that? Stop asking CCP to hold your hands and nerf learning implants for the rest of EVE because you can't make the retardedly simple decision to use them if you can afford it and not use them if you can't.
"BAAAAAAAAH!!! But then ours noobs suffer from slow skill training. BAAAAAAAHH!!!"
Then instruct those noobs about the risk / reward scenarios you're so fond of trotting out. Teach them how easy it is to setup jump clones (it's really ******* easy; hai Estel Arador and others). You could even, gasp, spread some of that sickening amount of wealth you hoard and do something that even Eve ******* University has figured out and provide +3 implants at a discounted rate. If Eve University can figure out a way to subsidize implants for it's noobs, i'm sure the great minds you have squirreled away in Null can come up with something similar.
As much as I'm against the removal of learning implants and Goons seem to be the one's for it. It's hard to try and call out Goons ability to help out newbie goons. They really do have one of the better programs on getting newbies on their feet in Eve that I've seen.
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
313
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:01:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:You were beginning to make a little sense. Then you just lost it again.
I can't afford to keep fitting +5s in my clone because I'd become bankrupt from multiple pod losses. Does that make me risk averse or does that make me realistic? I usually use +3s and sometimes I have to fight in my +4 clone. I don't like it but I do it anyway. Does that make me risk averse? I'd do it in +5s if I had the bank roll.
Just because people are willing to put up with a system doesn't mean that the system isn't broken. Just because you cannot afford to do it does not make it broken, it just means you are choosing not to risk it. I cannot afford to buy a Dreads and lose them multiple times without becoming bankrupt, does that mean that system is broken? or instead of flying dreads in PvP I could fly brutix and then have to worry a lot less about the numbers I loose. Just like putting in +2 or +3 implants instead of +5s.
You can't use a dread in hisec, why should you be able use +5s? See I can draw really poor parallels too.
The main problem is that it's a system which rewards risk aversion. No one in their right mind would want to pvp with +5s in if they couldn't afford to replace them. So they don't risk losing them by not using them. Those who are risk averse and remain in the safety of hisec use them. They are rewarded for being risk averse.
You understand how this argument can work both ways, yes? That's because it's such a silly argument. It's a system that has a negative impact of the game. |

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
691
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:07:00 -
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It's all about progression. Newbies shouldn't be flying around in +4/+5s when they could barely afford them in the first place. Stick +1s up to +3s in depending on what you can afford to replace and move up to the higher level implants when you can afford to replace them. Change your mentality about implants, not the mechanic. |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
329
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:14:00 -
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Andski wrote:your opinion is totally irrelevant to me though
glad that my article made you so ******* angry in any case
also I don't give a flying **** what Eve University does because they're not funding a gigantic supercapital fleet, they're not running a massive campaign nor do they have space to upgrade and pay for
lol npc alts
LOL! Delicious tears. Thank you for that.
Keep crying about how expensive it is to fund your supercapital fleet and how unworthy your noobs are to see any of that ISK in their pockets and how hard it is for you and them to fund PVPing with learning implants and also how hard it is to setup jump clones.
Keep pretending you dont care waht Eve University does while you troll their channels day in and day out recruiting from their ranks and giving their noobs awful, terrible advice. And dont stop responding to me despite how irrelevant I am.
And, lastly, keep coming up with the terrible ******* ideas that even the people on your own terrible mouthpiece propaganda website will downvote into oblivion even before it reaches the masses of the Eve Forums. Come on, really, how pathetic do you feel when even the goons and testicls on that awful site wont back up your awful idea. You should be ashamed of yourself. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4511
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:16:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:LOL! Delicious tears. Thank you for that.
Keep crying about how expensive it is to fund your supercapital fleet and how unworthy your noobs are to see any of that ISK in their pockets and how hard it is for you and them to fund PVPing with learning implants and also how hard it is to setup jump clones.
Keep pretending you dont care waht Eve University does while you troll their channels day in and day out recruiting from their ranks and giving their noobs awful, terrible advice. And dont stop responding to me despite how irrelevant I am.
And, lastly, keep coming up with the terrible ******* ideas that even the people on your own terrible mouthpiece propaganda website will downvote into oblivion even before it reaches the masses of the Eve Forums. Come on, really, how pathetic do you feel when even the goons and testicls on that awful site wont back up your awful idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
keep crying about our site, it's hilarious! please leave |

Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
285
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:17:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:still with no compelling argument as to why Nullsec should have this particular risk removed beyond "aderp, cuz it halps us peeveepee, aderp". this is actually a valid argument and the phrasing of your sentence indicates that you believe it is a 'compelling argument'
thankyou for your support |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
329
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:18:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:I dont care so much about skill training times now as I usually just use +3s. I worry more about it presenting a problem to newer players who think that you need to have +5s to be level with everyone else.
If the noobs you hang around with think they need +5s then you're doing a terrible job of educating them. A pair of +3 implants costs, at most, 20 million ISK. If they can't afford that or can't figure out how to install a jump clone they don't deserve implants. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
595
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:19:00 -
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I love it when highsec/lowsec chars say "I PVP in +5s/5% hardwirings all the time, maybe you just suck at PVP".
Yeah, let me know when that becomes relevant to the discussion. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
329
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:21:00 -
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Andski wrote:keep crying about our site, it's hilarious!
But i thought it wasnt your site? I thought it was a bastion of unbiased and balanced "news reporting" unlike the ebil bad men who neber tell the truth about goons and test and everybody else who they arent affiliated with.
Thanks for lifting the veil off that bunch of obvious lies and propaganda.
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
313
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:21:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:I dont care so much about skill training times now as I usually just use +3s. I worry more about it presenting a problem to newer players who think that you need to have +5s to be level with everyone else. If the noobs you hang around with think they need +5s then you're doing a terrible job of educating them. A pair of +3 implants costs, at most, 20 million ISK. If they can't afford that or can't figure out how to install a jump clone they don't deserve implants.
What do you think is the first thing I tell noobies who complain about the price of +5s? |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
329
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I love it when highsec/lowsec chars say "I PVP in +5s/5% hardwirings all the time, maybe you just suck at PVP".
Yeah, let me know when that becomes relevant to the discussion.
Nobody said that.
Let us know when you're done being an idiot. |

Lord Zim
1202
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:22:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:I dont care so much about skill training times now as I usually just use +3s. I worry more about it presenting a problem to newer players who think that you need to have +5s to be level with everyone else. If the noobs you hang around with think they need +5s then you're doing a terrible job of educating them. A pair of +3 implants costs, at most, 20 million ISK. If they can't afford that or can't figure out how to install a jump clone they don't deserve implants. So in other words, what you're saying is that people who PVP where they can be podded should be punished for it by either having to buy new +5s all the time, train SP slower than people who sit in hisec and do nothing but grind missions or rocks, or have to forego the occasional PVP because their jumpclone is still on cooldown. |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
329
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:23:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:I dont care so much about skill training times now as I usually just use +3s. I worry more about it presenting a problem to newer players who think that you need to have +5s to be level with everyone else. If the noobs you hang around with think they need +5s then you're doing a terrible job of educating them. A pair of +3 implants costs, at most, 20 million ISK. If they can't afford that or can't figure out how to install a jump clone they don't deserve implants. What do you think is the first thing I tell noobies who complain about the price of +5s?
I dont know Aruken? What do you tell them? HTFU? Stop crying? Go back to highsec? Steal mommy's credit card and buy some PLEX? How should I know what terrible advice you're offering to the idiots you hang around with? |

Lord Zim
1202
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:24:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Andski wrote:keep crying about our site, it's hilarious! But i thought it wasnt your site? I thought it was a bastion of unbiased and balanced "news reporting" unlike the ebil bad men who neber tell the truth about goons and test and everybody else who they arent affiliated with. Thanks for lifting the veil off that bunch of obvious lies and propaganda. ITT: The guys who run the site can't claim it's their site, because then all the content which people in the SoCo has written suddenly turns into obvious lies and propaganda.
The more you know. |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
329
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:24:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:I dont care so much about skill training times now as I usually just use +3s. I worry more about it presenting a problem to newer players who think that you need to have +5s to be level with everyone else. If the noobs you hang around with think they need +5s then you're doing a terrible job of educating them. A pair of +3 implants costs, at most, 20 million ISK. If they can't afford that or can't figure out how to install a jump clone they don't deserve implants. So in other words, what you're saying is that people who PVP where they can be podded should be punished for it by either having to buy new +5s all the time, train SP slower than people who sit in hisec and do nothing but grind missions or rocks, or have to forego the occasional PVP because their jumpclone is still on cooldown.
So, what you're saying is, people who intentionally PVP where they put their pods in greater danger than the rest of EVE should have the mechanics of the entire game changed to suit their playstyle and diminish the risks they take every time they undock or waddle out of range of the POS shields?
COOOoooool. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4511
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:26:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Andski wrote:keep crying about our site, it's hilarious! But i thought it wasnt your site? I thought it was a bastion of unbiased and balanced "news reporting" unlike the ebil bad men who neber tell the truth about goons and test and everybody else who they arent affiliated with. Thanks for lifting the veil off that bunch of obvious lies and propaganda.
oh no, we might not retain the readership of the sockpuppet eve-o poster demographic
we are screwed please leave |

Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
132
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:27:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:I dont care so much about skill training times now as I usually just use +3s. I worry more about it presenting a problem to newer players who think that you need to have +5s to be level with everyone else. If the noobs you hang around with think they need +5s then you're doing a terrible job of educating them. A pair of +3 implants costs, at most, 20 million ISK. If they can't afford that or can't figure out how to install a jump clone they don't deserve implants. So in other words, what you're saying is that people who PVP where they can be podded should be punished for it by either having to buy new +5s all the time, train SP slower than people who sit in hisec and do nothing but grind missions or rocks, or have to forego the occasional PVP because their jumpclone is still on cooldown. Yes.
This argument is extraordinarily similar to the "AFK cloakers stop me from ratting" argument. AFK cloakers aren't stopping anything from happening, you are choosing not to rat due to the risk of the AFK cloaker killing you. Learning implants aren't stopping pvp from happening, you are choosing not to pvp due to the total cost of your clone/potential losses. It is no different from choosing not to pvp because you don't have a cheap enough ship, you don't like your corp/alliance's reimbursement policy, etc. If you want pvp where pretty much nothing will stop you from pvping, play on the test server. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
595
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:27:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I love it when highsec/lowsec chars say "I PVP in +5s/5% hardwirings all the time, maybe you just suck at PVP".
Yeah, let me know when that becomes relevant to the discussion. Nobody said that. Let us know when you're done being an idiot. Someone probably has - they have in other threads. If not, they were bound to. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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