The cases of not losing something and instantly regaining the thing you lost are the same.

- player is overly concerned with training time differences of a few days

- player is spacepoor

- player is bad at EVE

Remove supercarriers and titans, yes.

Sounds like a newbie.


Sounds like a newbie.


Sounds like a newbie.

No. They aren't.

Uggh, I'm in my officer fitted Golem and can't PVP -> remove marauders?

Your rationale is lacking all rationale.

If the 'advantage' of living in high sec is having fancy implants then that is far outweighed by the fact you are playing in the most boring area of New Eden. High sec PVP is a joke and the PVE content outside of Incursions is just awful.

Reduce the cost of clones since it is quite a barrier to PVP, especially in null sec (aforementioned bubbles). No one cares about making Null sec safer, which the OP implies the article is about. What is really needed is a reduction in the costs of clones since at present you find 80m sp+ pilots languishing or even being sold off while players use lower skillpoint characters for higher risk pew pew.

This isn't about making Eve safer, it's about making PVP a little more accessible. I don't care what the ships, modules or implants cost you, but the base level pod itself shouldn't be as expensive as it is. The dynamics of Eve warfare have changed significantly since the games release and it is time clone costs were updated to reflect this.

Sure they are.

x-1+1=x

But that has nothing to do with clones as they do not take away SP then give SP back on death.

But that has nothing to do with clones as they do not take away SP then give SP back on death.

This is a very important topic and must be discussed vigorously and in great detail.

If the 'advantage' of living in high sec is having fancy implants then that is far outweighed by the fact you are playing in the most boring area of New Eden. High sec PVP is a joke and the PVE content outside of Incursions is just awful.

Reduce the cost of clones since it is quite a barrier to PVP, especially in null sec (aforementioned bubbles). No one cares about making Null sec safer, which the OP implies the article is about. What is really needed is a reduction in the costs of clones since at present you find 80m sp+ pilots languishing or even being sold off while players use lower skillpoint characters for higher risk pew pew.

This isn't about making Eve safer, it's about making PVP a little more accessible. I don't care what the ships, modules or implants cost you, but the base level pod itself shouldn't be as expensive as it is. The dynamics of Eve warfare have changed significantly since the games release and it is time clone costs were updated to reflect this.

I wasn't aware that there's a 24 hour cooldown timer in switching ships.

I wasn't aware that you have to switch clones before PVPing. Probably because nothing forces you.

1. No game mechanic forces you to have a separate clone with implants you can't afford to replace

2. No game mechanic prevents you from PVPing in whatever implants

Having an upgraded clone is not a necessity. Clones cost money, and there is the risk of losing your clone in PvP. By the logic of 'learning implants are a good risk/reward', upgraded medical clone costs are good risk/reward.

Remember that a clone represents solid SP while a set of implants represent potential SP. Both cost money. Therefore both are paying ISK for SP with the potential for losing it in combat.

Since SP is the only thing that cannot be directly bought and only earned through time, learning implants should be considered a necessity if you consider an upgraded clone to be a necessity.

If you support the removal of medical clone costs, you should support the removal of learning implants, I think

It is just an example of making Null, lo-sec and Wormholes safer.

Upgraded clone prevents you from losing SP, nobody neglects to upgrade their clone if possible.

Reducing clone costs, not removing them. Idk, maybe make them as cheap as learning implants, for example?

Most newbies want to get into new stuff quickly, and as such are highly encouraged to get implants to reach that goal faster. And once they have implants which cost multiple times what their ship costs, chances are they're also going to be encouraged to avoid PVP.

2. No game mechanic prevents you from PVPing in whatever implants

I support the lowering of the clone costs. They are an impediment to PvP that cannot be escaped. Learning implants can, I have jump clones some with implants some without. If I believe I will enter combat and don't wish to risk those implants I don't.

Unimproved Clone > X-1=x[1]
Improved Clone > X-1+1=X-0=x[2]

I don't know how to do subscripts, so the bracketed numbers are subscripts.

0 and -1+1 are mathematically equivalent. When you die normally, you lose SP. Not losing SP and Instantly gaining the SP you lost back are equivalent in the same way (call it gaining SP that you could have lost, if you like).

It's just a different way of looking at it. In the stock market, a Stop Loss order stops you from losing money when the stock price is falling. You can look at the order as not letting you lose money, or as gaining money that you could have lost. It's the same thing.

In the other direction, you lose money every time you miss an opportunity to gain money. Your balance stays the same, but you lost the opportunity to increase it. You can look at it as not gaining money or as losing money that you could have gained. It's the same thing.

Please try to understand that some people being stupid and bad at EVE is not a reason to change a game mechanic.