From my understanding, the expectation is you will die and will lose your pod in a fleet encounter. Not having learning implants is wasting subscription time (SP is the most valuable thing in eve) and you need (because you will lose the pod) to switch out to pvp if there is any chance of a fleet fight of even middling size.

If the expectation of the loss (losing the implants) is approaching one hundred percent there's no reason to take the risk at all. If there's no reason to take the risk, no-one will take it. If no-one in their right mind takes the risk, why include it in the game when it stops people, especially newbies, having fun?

It should be the expectation that your going to die, you should also have that expectation when installing implants. With anything else you factor in what you can afford and what you can afford to lose and replace. That's the whole premise behind it. Expensive implants aren't for newbies nor should it be promoted as that. Most newbies can get the lower end implants and replace them if they lose them. Its when you get into the higher tiered ones that should be for those who are willing to take that chance or who can afford them.

The issue with removing them I already covered, you are just asking for an endless cycle of bumping up attributes,

It should be the expectation that your going to die, you should also have that expectation when installing implants. With anything else you factor in what you can afford and what you can afford to lose and replace. That's the whole premise behind it.

Its when you get into the higher tiered ones that should be for those who are willing to take that chance or who can afford them.

So you're saying that the character you post with isn't an posting NPC sockpuppet alt?

That sure is strange, since it's pretty obvious given the name, content of your posts and your NPC corp "affiliation."

Now, tell me who this proposal would punish.

You're totally right, high end learning implants should only be for highsec carebears.

If that's how you feel then sure. However it could also be for those who have the disposable income to factor in 150m extra onto the ships they fly in order to get that boost. Its all about how you perceive wealth.

There is literally no benefit gained from flying with +5s versus parking them in a skillbook station clone.

Of course there is benefit. The benefit is that you can play the game. Flying in space is the benefit, and what greater benefit could there be?

Of course there is benefit. The benefit is that you can play the game while simultaneously skilling up at the fastest possible rate. Flying in space is the benefit, and what greater benefit could there be?

What kind of an argument is that? No wonder you post with an NPC alt; you're too lazy to make arguments you can actually get behind.

As I stated in the 2nd part. Implants allow those who wish to spend the money to get a advantage over the norm, and since this is Eve there is risk attached to said advantage. You remove that and people who want that advantage and those who like to min/max **** will be asking for it again. Having implants the way it is, is a good balance for those who want a advantage and those who want to destroy that advantage.

Edit: Guess I should have quoted who I was talking too.

As for who this proposal would punish, it doesn't really appear that it's intended to punish anybody, to be honest. To me, it simply seems like a plea to diminish the risks you (read: nullsec pvpers) take anytime you engage in the primary activity you moved to nullsec for. You signed up for nullsec knowing full well that it increased your risk of losing your pod and the implants you have plugged into that pod. You, I assume, were also aware of the mechanics of nullsec that were in place, specifically bubbles, that increased that risk and were willing to move to nullsec despite that increased risk. And yet, now you're pleading for CCP to remove that risk, in essence to make nullsec safer. You want the benefits of flying in Highsec or Lowsec with a head full of +5 learning implants while living in Nullsec. That, to me, is the most obvious flaw in your logic and the very reason that CCP will never, ever listen to this idea.

No.

Are you saying that flying with +5 implants DOESN'T give you the benefit of both flying in space while skilling up at the fastest possible rate? Don't tell me that's what you're saying.

But then we get back to the another point. Fair enough if you dont mind risking your +5s then fair play. But then why are players in hisec exempt from nearly all risk of losing those +5s but still get all of the reward. It just doesn't scale right in my opinion. There's no upside than what you'd already get if you didnt want to yourself at risk in the first place.

First, nobody is exempt from the risk of losing their implants. People get podded in highsec all the time. That was a terrible choice of an argument on your part. Second, of course the risk of losing your pod IS and SHOULD be higher in nullsec. That's one of the great things about nullsec is the increased risk.

But please keep thinking that this has anything to do with reducing the risk of living in nullsec.

First, nobody is exempt from the risk of losing their implants. People get podded in highsec all the time. That was a terrible choice of an argument on your part. Second, of course the risk of losing your pod IS and SHOULD be higher in nullsec. That's one of the great things about nullsec is the increased risk.

First, nobody is exempt from the risk of losing their implants. People get podded in highsec all the time. That was a terrible choice of an argument on your part. Second, of course the risk of losing your pod IS and SHOULD be higher in nullsec. That's one of the great things about nullsec is the increased risk.

People get podded in highsec all the time.

I don't need to think that. The idea stands on it's own as clearly diminishing the risk you take by actively being engaged in nullsec. It's self-evident. What you need to be arguing is why CCP should remove that risk instead of claiming that this wouldn't reduce it when it so obviously does.

So tell me how learning implants are literally the only implants that exist in the game.

Why would I tell you that? How stupid are you? You and I both know that learning implants aren't the only ones that exist in the game. When you come up with disingenuous or obviously sarcastic "points" like this to justify your terrible idea it really does end up making you look like an idiot.

I don't need to think that. The idea stands on it's own as clearly diminishing the risk you take by actively being engaged in nullsec. It's self-evident. What you need to be arguing is why CCP should remove that risk instead of claiming that this wouldn't reduce it when it so obviously does.

But then we get back to the other point. Fair enough if you dont mind risking your +5s then fair play. But then why are players in hisec exempt from nearly all risk of losing those +5s but still get all of the reward. It just doesn't scale right in my opinion. There's no upside than what you'd already get if you didnt want to yourself at risk in the first place.

I'm not saying nullsec should be as safe as hisec (oh god no) but what I'm saying is that average joe nullsec risks losing his +5s and gets the same rewards from them as the guy who doesn't risk losing them to anywhere near the same degree in hisec

or allowing clone jumps within the same station with no timer (as I suggested earlier in the thread). I don't really agree with the idea of removing them altogether.

The only things that REALLY makes nullsec that much more of a danger to pods than empire are:

1.) Smartbombs/large fleet fights. These aren't going away.
2.) Bubbles.

Why are you arguing for a removal of learning implants rather than a small change to bubble mechanics?

The only things that REALLY makes nullsec that much more of a danger to pods than empire are:

1.) Smartbombs/large fleet fights. These aren't going away.
2.) Bubbles.

Why are you arguing for a removal of learning implants rather than a small change to bubble mechanics?