FYI I have absolutely no intention to buff T2 logistics at any point. They're really amazingly powerful as they are and do not need any buffs.

Current T2 logistics are well balanced for some aspects of the game (most obviously fleet warfare) and are probably too powerful for others (Mr. Revedhort's preferred solo play for instance). Improving solo options without either killing fun aspects of group play or making solo too easymode is definitely a goal of ours, but the solution there isn't to keep the learning cliff facing support pilots.
The biggest reason that I believe these Support Cruisers will not significantly compound the problems Logistics cause for soloers is that T1 cruisers are far far easier to kill. It's the great difficulty killing a T2 Logi combined with their repping power that really causes the most issues and if these Support Cruisers prove too powerful, survivability is one of the first areas in which I'll nerf them.

So what do you think about a bonus for projected ECCM?

Instead of the drone bonus?

But don't these new T1 logi have more slots than the T2 logi?
if the T2 logi is too good rebalance them
even destroyers have more slots than T2 logi whats up with that?

Has any thought been given to turning any of the revamped cruisers into explorers (scanning bonus along with utility highs and mids), or is that generally considered to be the domain of frigates (and T3)?

But don't these new T1 logi have more slots than the T2 logi?
if the T2 logi is too good rebalance them
even destroyers have more slots than T2 logi whats up with that?

FYI I have absolutely no intention to buff T2 logistics at any point. They're really amazingly powerful as they are and do not need any buffs.

Current T2 logistics are well balanced for some aspects of the game (most obviously fleet warfare) and are probably too powerful for others (Mr. Revedhort's preferred solo play for instance). Improving solo options without either killing fun aspects of group play or making solo too easymode is definitely a goal of ours, but the solution there isn't to keep the learning cliff facing support pilots.
The biggest reason that I believe these Support Cruisers will not significantly compound the problems Logistics cause for soloers is that T1 cruisers are far far easier to kill. It's the great difficulty killing a T2 Logi combined with their repping power that really causes the most issues and if these Support Cruisers prove too powerful, survivability is one of the first areas in which I'll nerf them.

That's exactly what I'm saying: current T2 logistics already are way too good, some even might say overpowered and thus deserve a nerf.

You basically can not assemble a solid gang without relying on logtistics - how is it balanced? One ship can mitigate the damage dealt by 5 or even 10 specialized damage dealers. Name me another ship class being required that much and one of the few items you could come up with are gang-boosters, OP-factor of which is pretty much aknowledged all over EVE.

Another thing is AT - you artifically restriced logistics to just one per team, invariably admitting logistics are way too strong. Some pharisees surely can argue, saying it was done merely to save time and make matches more interesting for the viewers, but the same principles do apply to TQ PvP - we are there to have our damn fun and our time is also damn limited due to possibility of reinforcements and so on.

How can you reject such things?

Do note, please: I'm not even talking about solo PvP here.

Whine

Because a game balance that depends on different kinds of ships is better than the alternative.

Almost every other game have a setup where support/healer/whatever is needed. Why?
Because it incetivises group play.

Eh?

and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships?

Definitely something to consider.

and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships?

same thing with a ET bonus...

one up and one down...


it would make a eccm chain like you see et chains...

Point being it kind of nerfs the use of the ship in that respect where as a tracking link bonus would actually be useful as a support skill especially for gallente blaster boats without attracting the same amount of attention.

Tracking link is a niche bonus hardly used outside of incursions... A bonus to eccm projectors is more of a pvp bonus which has much more applications...

as a logi 5 pilot this fleels like a massive **** slap to the face.

All the more reason to put it on the pvp map im sure a brutix would love a nice range boost especially mine :)

And before incursions how often were they used? Pretty much non existent... There is a good reason they are hardly used for pvp...

as a logi 5 pilot this fleels like a massive **** slap to the face.

Because the 2 ships with the bonus's lack enough slots and secondary use to be worth using