why does the scythe and exqueror to a lesser extent have so many lows?

I imagine its because they are forced to use natural regen for cap


also what does this mean for the Navy versions of the ships if anything?

I wonder if we'll see any ships that are going to be bonused for tracking links/resebo and other such fun, ideally at low-skill requirements. Such roles are wonderful for folks who (like many of my friends) have literally no combat skills, being dedicated miners, researchers, and industrialists.

Crude math - 1000% range bonus is 60km. Daaaaamn!

The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.

While I love the focus on drones for the Exequror, is there going to be any change to the skill requirements for Repair Drones (specifically T2)? Also armor rep bots suck balls. They have to fly to the target and then wait until the end of the rep cycle before applying the reps. To put it another way if the Logi group lands 50km from the fleet (if I did may math correctly these have a max range of 60km) they to launch the drones, move them to the target for rep, and apply the rep you are looking at over 21 seconds for this to happen. Even at a range of 20km it will be over 12 seconds before the ship is repped.

Thoughts?

The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.

The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.

The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.

So apparently your entire train of thought was based on tech2 logistics being balanced as they are? Do you really believe that's the case?

I don't quite follow but I hope you are bearing in mind Crimewatch changes are likely to have logistics gain the same aggression timer as whoever they're repping

I could see the Exeq's getting a tracking bonus however and would help the blaster boats in a realistic fashion.

Making sure ships aren't too overpowered is always something we have to keep in mind. Sometimes ships get bonuses that are less powerful than other bonuses could have been, and that's intentional.

That's not to say that the bonus can't be changed, but I want to make it clear that we didn't give them the rep drone bonus thinking "This will be the best bonus we could ever give these ships". It was "This is a bonus that is useful in certain circumstances, provides a clear link to the T2 version and doesn't make these powerful ships too good".

Blasters already track really well.

I was thinking more for optimal range bonuses.

330 PG (412.5 with Engineering V) on the Scythe looks rather tight - T2 medium shield transporters take 100 PG each and a meta 2 MWD is 150, meaning you'd be over on PG before fitting anything else and would need multiple reactor controls or ancillary current routers to get a large shield extender on.

See module fitting changes. Also, you use the meta 4s, not the T2s.

To all the "CSM isn't doing anything crowd":

Cruiser rebalance WAY ahead of schedule. T1 Logi cruisers your logistics FCs wont turn away from fleets. You're welcome

The CSM didnt do this or ask for it this was all because of ccp fozzie aka Rive that pilot who knows things about the game unlike everyone on the CSM.

To all the "CSM isn't doing anything crowd":

Cruiser rebalance WAY ahead of schedule. T1 Logi cruisers your logistics FCs wont turn away from fleets. You're welcome

Well duh we're not programmers or game designers. But accelerated rebalancing efforts were a major push by the CSM.

Soooo yes we did ask for it.

100% bonus to Logistic Drone (both armor and shield) rep amount



nobody uses drones on logistic ships in battle situations.

fleets now a days are warped arround the battlefields on a nonstop basis

They also rely more strongly on role bonuses than skill bonuses so that they will continue to be viable even without Cruiser 5.

The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.

How will this affect Alliance tournaments? Will we be able to field field both a T2 logi and a T1 logi?

Exequror:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount
5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use
Role Bonus:
1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers
100% bonus to Logistic Drone (both armor and shield) rep amount
Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M, 6 L (+3), 3 turrets (-1)
Fittings: 610 PWG (+110), 275 CPU (+25)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1000(+101) / 1400(+227) / 1600(+506)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1375(+375) / 264s(-92.25s) / 5.2 (+2.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240(+81) / 0.61 / 11020000 / 6.3s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(+10) / 50(+10)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km(+7.5) / 365(+43) / 8(+3)
Sensor strength: 15 Magnetometric (+2)
Signature radius: 80 (-40)
Cargo capacity: 495 (-105)

Scythe:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
15% bonus to Shield Transporter boost amount
5% reduction in Shield Transporter cap use
Role Bonus:
1000% bonus to the range of Shield Transporters
100% bonus to Logistic Drone (both armor and shield) rep amount
Slot layout: 3 H (-2), 5 M (+2), 5 L (+2), 2 turrets (-1), 1 launcher (-1)
Fittings: 330 PWG (-95), 415 CPU (+190)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1400(+424) / 1100(+124) / 1300(+324)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1250(+468.75) / 240s(-38.75s) / 5.2 (+2.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 250(+47) / 0.6(+0.095) / 11110000 / 6.2s (+0.9)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 45 (+40) / 45 (+40)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 52.5km(+15) / 400(+55) / 8(+2)
Sensor strength: 13 Ladar (+2)
Signature radius: 75 (-25)
Cargo capacity: 475 (+35)

I'm not sure if relying on drones to repair is a nice idea
While, they may have their use in pve, it might be not efficient for pvp

Logi will usually be primary target, which is why they have to bounce a lot to a nearby planets to avoid targeting

The other can simply bounce and back, lock the fleetmates and start repairing again

But, the drone logi? They have to get all the drones first, bounce and back, get all of your drones, targeting, wait for the drones to arrive at their target, start repairing

The logi will have the risk of being destroyed while taking the drones

What if they just bounce off and leave the drones? The enemies can simply destroy the drones and they will do that many times until the logi doesn't have anything beside the 3 remote repair in the high slot

The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.

I despise that tracking link bonus. Seriously, active tank bonuses for the ships that are designed to be the solo logi in a gang.

-Liang

#1 - Are you concerned about someone putting a MONO-Large Remote Repper on these?

An Exequror can fit a Large Remote rep, which with your bonuses would mean it can reach 84km and with L5 skills do 1.75x a large repper which is equal to 4 unbonused medium reps I believe.....

Plz make it possible to fit these ships 100% for combat if you should want to...

To all the "CSM isn't doing anything" crowd:...

I'm not sure if relying on drones to repair is a nice idea
While, they may have their use in pve, it might be not efficient for pvp

Logi will usually be primary target, which is why they have to bounce a lot to a nearby planets to avoid targeting

The other can simply bounce and back, lock the fleetmates and start repairing again

But, the drone logi? They have to get all the drones first, bounce and back, get all of your drones, targeting, wait for the drones to arrive at their target, start repairing

The logi will have the risk of being destroyed while taking the drones

What if they just bounce off and leave the drones? The enemies can simply destroy the drones and they will do that many times until the logi doesn't have anything beside the 3 remote repair in the high slot

Love the principle, hate the detail.

Energy transfer bonus is great and widely used. It helps power a logi chain, or it keeps heavy cap-use combat set-ups running.

Drone bonus is appalling in most in-game uses - the idea that it might help as a pve function is so naive it makes me doubt the otherwise good ideas you guys have put forward so far.

The notion of replacing it with a tracking link bonus is even worse ! This is such a niche use I can recall the one and only time I ever tried to use this function, laughed at how utterly ineffective it was and never tried again.

Please, try a bonus that will actually have some widespread benefit for the ROLE that these ships will have, don't just shoehorn some crappy second function just because something has to be added to make it seem balanced when we all know otherwise.

Give these ships a new module and let them remotely boost resists (1 for amour, 1 for shields); that fits well with the role and creates a new and interesting twist for freighter convoys and the like. Or something along those lines. But please, not what you've mentioned so far.

Do not worry, these ship don't rely on drones to repair any more than current Scimitars and Oneiros' do.

new bonus

Exequror:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount
5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use
Role Bonus:
1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers
250% bonus to range of ECCM Projectors
Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M, 6 L (+3), 3 turrets (-1)
Fittings: 610 PWG (+110), 275 CPU (+25)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1000(+101) / 1400(+227) / 1600(+506)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1375(+375) / 264s(-92.25s) / 5.2 (+2.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240(+81) / 0.61 / 11020000 / 6.3s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(+10) / 50(+10)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km(+7.5) / 365(+43) / 8(+3)
Sensor strength: 15 Magnetometric (+2)
Signature radius: 80 (-40)
Cargo capacity: 495 (-105)

I will one up you:

1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers
250% bonus to range of ECCM Projectors
50% bonus to range of Remote Sensor Booster

Put the Warfare in Information Warfare.

i litterally just came you owe me new pants there buddy...

OP comes to mind tracking link bonus would be fine the module might get used outside of incursions then but you would need 6 mids prob on scythe to get tank prop and a couple of spares for tracking links then and add one to meds on exqueror

I will one up you:

50% bonus to range of Remote Sensor Booster

Put the Warfare in Information Warfare.

No, we will not un-nerf supercaps in any way <_<

That means no tracking link bonus either!

The ECCM bonus sounds like a good idea however. Would help the effort of lessening the annoyance of ECM in smaller fleets. Or, perhaps a bonus to heat consumption on reppers so they can run heated for a long time.

No, we will not un-nerf supercaps in any way <_<

That means no tracking link bonus either!

The ECCM bonus sounds like a good idea however. Would help the effort of lessening the annoyance of ECM in smaller fleets. Or, perhaps a bonus to heat consumption on reppers so they can run heated for a long time.

CCP Fozzie why did you cut the PG for the Scythe and Osprey.

Osprey: Fittings: 425 PWG (-50)
Scythe: Fittings: 330 PWG (-95)

They are hard enough to fit as it is.

That is so you can't fit two LSE II's and all your reps/ETA's.

If supers are so bad that they cant consider buffing t1 cruisers without it breaking supercaps then maybe supercaps need to be flagged for NO assistance of any kind.

Link to Dev Post please, I could not find where he said that.

If supers are so bad that they cant consider buffing t1 cruisers without it breaking supercaps then maybe supercaps need to be flagged for NO assistance of any kind.

The Exequror makes a better combat shield tanker than it does a armor logi:

[Exequror, Armor Tanking Is A Joke!]

Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x5


All V the PG/CPU would be 762.5/343.75. This fit only takes up 577.8/337.5. I'm sure you can tweak this more to have better tank and damage output (currently 209) as I did this by hand.

The reps on the drones is 360 raw hitpoints every 5 seconds, just under one T2 armor rep on the Augoror or Exequror. Still a better tackler than a armor logi. Also this thing is faster than the current Rupture (1,644.49 vs 1,591.35). Hmm. Maybe this will fit into the Alpha Rupture fleets. Reps+DPS. Let's poor another one out for our Armor hommies.

EDIT: The speed was without taking the Overdrive into account. Just All V and with a microwarp.

This fit is horrible, it clearly needs Dual Large Ancillary Shield Boosters like my Oneiros does.

Exequror in particular looks silly OP and would beg the question, why ever use a t2 armor logistic again. Keep in mind these things get an extra rig slot to make up for resist gap.

Because this is only the First round of balances, they did state they are going to do alll T1 ships first starting with frigates, destroyers cruisers battlecrusiers battle ships (capitals i think) then T2 ships

Because this is only the First round of balances, they did state they are going to do alll T1 ships first starting with frigates, destroyers cruisers battlecrusiers battle ships (capitals i think) then T2 ships

As if Tech 2 logistics aren't silly powerful?

As if Tech 2 logistics aren't silly powerful?

Exequror in particular is going to be so close to t2 in strength that why would you ever ask people to fly a more expensive option again.

Why are some of them faster then their T2 variation?

Exequror in particular is going to be so close to t2 in strength that why would you ever ask people to fly a more expensive option again.

Exequror reps 252 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones
Oneiros reps 384 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones

That's 132 HP/s difference.

So I still say the oneiros is better

Exequror reps 252 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones
Oneiros reps 384 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones

That's 132 HP/s difference.

So I still say the oneiros is better

with Legion, it's 315 per second with an Exequor with t2 Medium Mods.

with Legion, its 394 per sec with 3 large T2 (much more unlikely than solace) for an Oneiros.
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I did read all of it but this is what stuck out the most
You are basing your stats with all 3 medium reps and a off grid t3 booster for the exequror and com pairing it to 3 large reps despite the oneiros being able to use 4 remote reps which spreads the gap quite a bit, especially with a off grid booster. Or we you thinking about a energy transfer for the oneiros? If so then why would the exequror not use an energy transfer as well? That would make them comparable ships again. Point being their is still a big difference between the ships.

Almost nobody in 0.0 doe a 4 large rep Oneiros due to fittings.

Almost nobody in 0.0 doe a 4 large rep Oneiros due to fittings.

So then why do you thing the exequror will be any different?
Also there are more areas in the game than 0.0 not everything has to be based around it, but everywhere as a whole

4 rep AB Onieros are not as uncommon as above poster would lead you to believe. Still cap stable ;)

I'm going to chalk this comment up to inexperience. There are 3 standard fits for an oneiros:

3 rep MWD
3 rep AB
4 rep empire gank

The only time a 4 rep setup is ever used is for empire short duration small fights because it's super hard to make it cap stable and fit for tank.

Do not worry, these ship don't rely on drones to repair any more than current Scimitars and Oneiros' do.

4 rep AB Onieros are not as uncommon as above poster would lead you to believe. Still cap stable ;)

If the Exequror is to lose its cargo bonus what alternative will trial accounts have for hauling?

While I cannot provide an exact number I do know there are a lot of triage carrier pilots out there.
And again could you show this 3 rep oneiros fit?

this is the one i use


[Oneiros, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

10MN Afterburner II
ECCM - Magnetometric II
ECCM - Magnetometric II
Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x5

meh

CCP what are you doing?
kills logy pilots and boost noobs
are you really think thats a good idea?

Today's Basilisk
Large ST T2 - 384 - 71,4 km
Medium ST T2 - 192 - 51km

Future's Osprey
Large ST T2 - 672 - 92,4 km
Medium ST T2 - 336 - 66 km

oO
wtf

Thats not how you compare numbers

Basi: 3 large, 1152hp/s
Future Osprey: 3 medium, 1008hp/s

You made it look like the osprey will rep more which it wont but its a bit too close..

Therefore, I think the rep drone bonus is actually about the best that can be done. Of course rep drones could use a buff to speed and durability. That might give the bonus some meaningful use. And the general drone interface needs to be simplified. Right clicking and scrolling to engage target is slower than a sinlgle click or f button for the remote reppers. The delay from the interface and the travel time is why rep drones lack favor. But if these issues can be addressed the rep drone bonus is a good secondary bonus for these 2 ships.

Point of the whole arguement is this:

They come out and say, oh, the ships have lower resistances.... not true on the Exeq that has an extra low and an extra rig slot.

They say it has lower sig... after bonus/pil, the Exeq is only 6 more sig.

They say it will have lower repair abilities.... but it goes to show the developers lack of knowledge of use.

And not once do they even consider the massive skill and cost withdrawl that will impact choice when considering the very diminished tradeoff.

Just move a low slot to a high slot please for the love of god on the Exeq. it's going to force it to chose between capstability and tank or power repairing and not allow it nearly as much freedom. Stop with the cookie cutter bullshit where Scythe has 3 highs, so Exeq must also.

The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.

And here you kill your whole argumentation : oneiros can too get bonuses and pills ; and an exequror with pills kill the whole idea of a noob logi crowd.

And extra low+extra rig *don't* make for the resist : it's called stacking penalty, it cannot achieve the same resist of a T2 hull even with full rack of resist mods. Infact, extra low slot + rig don't even make for tank at all because of one simple thing : put an ACR on the oneiros, and it have TWICE the PG of this exequror. TWICE. Tank on these ships is not even comparable.

As for the third rig, an armor rig it will be most of time, reducing the speed to the level of the oneiros with 1600 plate.

And the sensor strength and lock range don't seem very important to you.

Oh, and this oneiros is barely capstable "all 5" too. I admit cruiser 5 is easier than logi 5, but still, you need all the associated skills to get a cap stable exequror, and the remote repair augmentor rig.

By the way, the same argument goes for logi frigates : a swarm of logi require peoples, a lot of them. A logi pilot is not shooting enemies, and shooting ennemies is the first goal of a fleet. There's no point in bringing a logi fleet if you have nobody to shoot at things.

So, to sum this up : fleet won't bring more logi, because they have a limited number of people ; this exequror *is* less effective than an oneiros, even a 3 reper one. Hence, replace oneiros or any T2 logi by a T1 one, and your fleet lose remote rep power.

We could say that this would hurt small gang warfare, but I think falcon are still better.

Also please refrain from name calling in my balance threads.

Goddamn, these changes just keep getting worse and worse.

Whats next, giving blackbirds an extra mid and shield resist bonus? web strength on rapiers?

Go go power creep and making solo harder

Edit: EVE needs less "press button receive damage mitigation" and more "pilot your ship very well and receive damage mitigation"

FYI I have absolutely no intention to buff T2 logistics at any point. They're really amazingly powerful as they are and do not need any buffs.

Current T2 logistics are well balanced for some aspects of the game (most obviously fleet warfare) and are probably too powerful for others (Mr. Revedhort's preferred solo play for instance). Improving solo options without either killing fun aspects of group play or making solo too easymode is definitely a goal of ours, but the solution there isn't to keep the learning cliff facing support pilots.
The biggest reason that I believe these Support Cruisers will not significantly compound the problems Logistics cause for soloers is that T1 cruisers are far far easier to kill. It's the great difficulty killing a T2 Logi combined with their repping power that really causes the most issues and if these Support Cruisers prove too powerful, survivability is one of the first areas in which I'll nerf them.

So what do you think about a bonus for projected ECCM?

Instead of the drone bonus?

But don't these new T1 logi have more slots than the T2 logi?
if the T2 logi is too good rebalance them
even destroyers have more slots than T2 logi whats up with that?

Has any thought been given to turning any of the revamped cruisers into explorers (scanning bonus along with utility highs and mids), or is that generally considered to be the domain of frigates (and T3)?

But don't these new T1 logi have more slots than the T2 logi?
if the T2 logi is too good rebalance them
even destroyers have more slots than T2 logi whats up with that?

FYI I have absolutely no intention to buff T2 logistics at any point. They're really amazingly powerful as they are and do not need any buffs.

Current T2 logistics are well balanced for some aspects of the game (most obviously fleet warfare) and are probably too powerful for others (Mr. Revedhort's preferred solo play for instance). Improving solo options without either killing fun aspects of group play or making solo too easymode is definitely a goal of ours, but the solution there isn't to keep the learning cliff facing support pilots.
The biggest reason that I believe these Support Cruisers will not significantly compound the problems Logistics cause for soloers is that T1 cruisers are far far easier to kill. It's the great difficulty killing a T2 Logi combined with their repping power that really causes the most issues and if these Support Cruisers prove too powerful, survivability is one of the first areas in which I'll nerf them.

That's exactly what I'm saying: current T2 logistics already are way too good, some even might say overpowered and thus deserve a nerf.

You basically can not assemble a solid gang without relying on logtistics - how is it balanced? One ship can mitigate the damage dealt by 5 or even 10 specialized damage dealers. Name me another ship class being required that much and one of the few items you could come up with are gang-boosters, OP-factor of which is pretty much aknowledged all over EVE.

Another thing is AT - you artifically restriced logistics to just one per team, invariably admitting logistics are way too strong. Some pharisees surely can argue, saying it was done merely to save time and make matches more interesting for the viewers, but the same principles do apply to TQ PvP - we are there to have our damn fun and our time is also damn limited due to possibility of reinforcements and so on.

How can you reject such things?

Do note, please: I'm not even talking about solo PvP here.

Whine

Because a game balance that depends on different kinds of ships is better than the alternative.

Almost every other game have a setup where support/healer/whatever is needed. Why?
Because it incetivises group play.

Eh?

and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships?

Definitely something to consider.

and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships?

same thing with a ET bonus...

one up and one down...


it would make a eccm chain like you see et chains...

Point being it kind of nerfs the use of the ship in that respect where as a tracking link bonus would actually be useful as a support skill especially for gallente blaster boats without attracting the same amount of attention.

Tracking link is a niche bonus hardly used outside of incursions... A bonus to eccm projectors is more of a pvp bonus which has much more applications...

as a logi 5 pilot this fleels like a massive **** slap to the face.

All the more reason to put it on the pvp map im sure a brutix would love a nice range boost especially mine :)

And before incursions how often were they used? Pretty much non existent... There is a good reason they are hardly used for pvp...

as a logi 5 pilot this fleels like a massive **** slap to the face.

Because the 2 ships with the bonus's lack enough slots and secondary use to be worth using

Because the 2 ships with the bonus's lack enough slots and secondary use to be worth using

Some people have mentioned swapping out the rep drone bonuses on the Scythe and Exequror for range and/or strength bonuses to remote eccm and remote sensor boosters. This would be something new to the game, and would be a power the tech II logis presently lack. Now one could later buff the tech II logis to retain this bonus.

However, the problem comes that then these ships would quite possibly not get use as logis but instead as gate camper support ships. Also, it would mean bonusing mods that go in mids, which has always been a problem with the present tracking link bonuses on tech II logis. Mids that are effectively in short supply on either ship for differing reasons. Also that is a bonus which is largely ignored except for incursion runners. And well if we are going to determine ship bonuses based on incursion runners wishes then let's just call the game Incursions Online.

Therefore, I think the rep drone bonus is actually about the best that can be done. Of course rep drones could use a buff to speed and durability. That might give the bonus some meaningful use. And the general drone interface needs to be simplified. Right clicking and scrolling to engage target is slower than a sinlgle click or f button for the remote reppers. The delay from the interface and the travel time is why rep drones lack favor. But if these issues can be addressed the rep drone bonus is a good secondary bonus for these 2 ships.

I see people are still hating on the proposed rep drone bonuses for the Exeq and Scythe. So I'm gonna quote my earlier post, because it got 4 likes


Scythes need their mids for their own tank. If they were given a remote tracking, eccm, or sensor boosting bonus they would have to use mids for this. If then CCP reworked the stats for more mids and cpu then the possiblities come in for ultra shield tanking (asbs or extenders/resists) as well as simply making these ships gate camping gankers dream ships instead of logis.

And the Exeq needs it's mids for cap rechargers or batteries or injectors plus propulsion and local eccm or sensor booster. To throw mid slot mod bonuses will only upset the cap situation for it (again assuming anyone would really care about it's repping and wouldn't just instead make it a remote ganker's best friend).

I certainly am not thrilled with a drone bonus, because I'm not happy with the drone interface, ai, and performance. But, those are things that hopefully can be improved (hint ). The drone bonust would keep all the tech I logis as repping ships and not as ewar boosters that might only create new imbalances. One has to look at the health of the game as a whole. And not let one's dissatisfaction with the drone interface lead to a move away from using drones and instead creating a mess with radically new bonuses.

meh

CCP what are you doing?
kills logy pilots and boost noobs
are you really think thats a good idea?

Today's Basilisk
Large ST T2 - 384 - 71,4 km
Medium ST T2 - 192 - 51km

Future's Osprey
Large ST T2 - 672 - 92,4 km
Medium ST T2 - 336 - 66 km

I havnt received an answer to my question...
Can someone answer for it?
Why Osprey will be OP than Basilisk?
or just restrict LST and LAR at t1 logy.

The T1 ships are set up for medium reps not large. If you have decent fitting skills you can fit 1 large rep on them

1000% increase to Repair range?

Why not simply 200% per cruiser level?

If they are given a remote tracking bonus then it would be a real slap in the face as these are cheaper, and do 70~80% of a t2 logo ship.

what?

i can fit TWO large reps at osprey with two LSE meta4, two shield adaptives t2, mwd, dc t2, which is equal T2 logist but MUCH cheaper than t2 logy and repair some more (~1100 (3 reps with 360 each) vs ~1300 (TWO REPS WITH 640 EACH)).

discuss.