The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.

How will this affect Alliance tournaments? Will we be able to field field both a T2 logi and a T1 logi?

Exequror:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount
5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use
Role Bonus:
1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers
100% bonus to Logistic Drone (both armor and shield) rep amount
Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M, 6 L (+3), 3 turrets (-1)
Fittings: 610 PWG (+110), 275 CPU (+25)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1000(+101) / 1400(+227) / 1600(+506)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1375(+375) / 264s(-92.25s) / 5.2 (+2.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240(+81) / 0.61 / 11020000 / 6.3s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(+10) / 50(+10)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km(+7.5) / 365(+43) / 8(+3)
Sensor strength: 15 Magnetometric (+2)
Signature radius: 80 (-40)
Cargo capacity: 495 (-105)

Scythe:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
15% bonus to Shield Transporter boost amount
5% reduction in Shield Transporter cap use
Role Bonus:
1000% bonus to the range of Shield Transporters
100% bonus to Logistic Drone (both armor and shield) rep amount
Slot layout: 3 H (-2), 5 M (+2), 5 L (+2), 2 turrets (-1), 1 launcher (-1)
Fittings: 330 PWG (-95), 415 CPU (+190)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1400(+424) / 1100(+124) / 1300(+324)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1250(+468.75) / 240s(-38.75s) / 5.2 (+2.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 250(+47) / 0.6(+0.095) / 11110000 / 6.2s (+0.9)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 45 (+40) / 45 (+40)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 52.5km(+15) / 400(+55) / 8(+2)
Sensor strength: 13 Ladar (+2)
Signature radius: 75 (-25)
Cargo capacity: 475 (+35)

I'm not sure if relying on drones to repair is a nice idea
While, they may have their use in pve, it might be not efficient for pvp

Logi will usually be primary target, which is why they have to bounce a lot to a nearby planets to avoid targeting

The other can simply bounce and back, lock the fleetmates and start repairing again

But, the drone logi? They have to get all the drones first, bounce and back, get all of your drones, targeting, wait for the drones to arrive at their target, start repairing

The logi will have the risk of being destroyed while taking the drones

What if they just bounce off and leave the drones? The enemies can simply destroy the drones and they will do that many times until the logi doesn't have anything beside the 3 remote repair in the high slot

The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.

I despise that tracking link bonus. Seriously, active tank bonuses for the ships that are designed to be the solo logi in a gang.

-Liang

#1 - Are you concerned about someone putting a MONO-Large Remote Repper on these?

An Exequror can fit a Large Remote rep, which with your bonuses would mean it can reach 84km and with L5 skills do 1.75x a large repper which is equal to 4 unbonused medium reps I believe.....

Plz make it possible to fit these ships 100% for combat if you should want to...

To all the "CSM isn't doing anything" crowd:...

I'm not sure if relying on drones to repair is a nice idea
While, they may have their use in pve, it might be not efficient for pvp

Logi will usually be primary target, which is why they have to bounce a lot to a nearby planets to avoid targeting

The other can simply bounce and back, lock the fleetmates and start repairing again

But, the drone logi? They have to get all the drones first, bounce and back, get all of your drones, targeting, wait for the drones to arrive at their target, start repairing

The logi will have the risk of being destroyed while taking the drones

What if they just bounce off and leave the drones? The enemies can simply destroy the drones and they will do that many times until the logi doesn't have anything beside the 3 remote repair in the high slot

Love the principle, hate the detail.

Energy transfer bonus is great and widely used. It helps power a logi chain, or it keeps heavy cap-use combat set-ups running.

Drone bonus is appalling in most in-game uses - the idea that it might help as a pve function is so naive it makes me doubt the otherwise good ideas you guys have put forward so far.

The notion of replacing it with a tracking link bonus is even worse ! This is such a niche use I can recall the one and only time I ever tried to use this function, laughed at how utterly ineffective it was and never tried again.

Please, try a bonus that will actually have some widespread benefit for the ROLE that these ships will have, don't just shoehorn some crappy second function just because something has to be added to make it seem balanced when we all know otherwise.

Give these ships a new module and let them remotely boost resists (1 for amour, 1 for shields); that fits well with the role and creates a new and interesting twist for freighter convoys and the like. Or something along those lines. But please, not what you've mentioned so far.

Do not worry, these ship don't rely on drones to repair any more than current Scimitars and Oneiros' do.

new bonus

Exequror:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount
5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use
Role Bonus:
1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers
250% bonus to range of ECCM Projectors
Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M, 6 L (+3), 3 turrets (-1)
Fittings: 610 PWG (+110), 275 CPU (+25)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1000(+101) / 1400(+227) / 1600(+506)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1375(+375) / 264s(-92.25s) / 5.2 (+2.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 240(+81) / 0.61 / 11020000 / 6.3s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(+10) / 50(+10)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km(+7.5) / 365(+43) / 8(+3)
Sensor strength: 15 Magnetometric (+2)
Signature radius: 80 (-40)
Cargo capacity: 495 (-105)

I will one up you:

1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers
250% bonus to range of ECCM Projectors
50% bonus to range of Remote Sensor Booster

Put the Warfare in Information Warfare.

i litterally just came you owe me new pants there buddy...

OP comes to mind tracking link bonus would be fine the module might get used outside of incursions then but you would need 6 mids prob on scythe to get tank prop and a couple of spares for tracking links then and add one to meds on exqueror

I will one up you:

50% bonus to range of Remote Sensor Booster

Put the Warfare in Information Warfare.

No, we will not un-nerf supercaps in any way <_<

That means no tracking link bonus either!

The ECCM bonus sounds like a good idea however. Would help the effort of lessening the annoyance of ECM in smaller fleets. Or, perhaps a bonus to heat consumption on reppers so they can run heated for a long time.

No, we will not un-nerf supercaps in any way <_<

That means no tracking link bonus either!

The ECCM bonus sounds like a good idea however. Would help the effort of lessening the annoyance of ECM in smaller fleets. Or, perhaps a bonus to heat consumption on reppers so they can run heated for a long time.

CCP Fozzie why did you cut the PG for the Scythe and Osprey.

Osprey: Fittings: 425 PWG (-50)
Scythe: Fittings: 330 PWG (-95)

They are hard enough to fit as it is.

That is so you can't fit two LSE II's and all your reps/ETA's.

If supers are so bad that they cant consider buffing t1 cruisers without it breaking supercaps then maybe supercaps need to be flagged for NO assistance of any kind.

Link to Dev Post please, I could not find where he said that.

If supers are so bad that they cant consider buffing t1 cruisers without it breaking supercaps then maybe supercaps need to be flagged for NO assistance of any kind.