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Sieonigh United Brothers Of Eve Seventh Sanctum. 1	Posted - 2012.09.23 15:59:00 - [241] - Quote change the drone bonus to projected ECCM, this will good work around of nerfing ECM encouraging players to prepare for potential ECM. ECM still needs to be a game changer if the victims are not prepared. as for all the whining about making T2 logi redundent, here is a few point on why this wont be the case. # the focus of a balanced for for these ships is to be fitting med reps( large will only fit 1 maybe 2 and bork the fit, if you want to do that fine) ultimately its not going to overshadow to the rep capability of a 4 large rep logi. # logi get T2 res reducing the need to fit more taking mods to get the desired tank, tec 1 will have to overcome the lack of this. # sensor strength and scan res on T2 logi is better, T1 should be counter able with better ease, as to why you wanting to have a T2 ship to have a faster lock time to save lives. #T2 tend to get better fitting allowing for grater flexibility, the T1 are going to have to make compromises to achieve their desired effect. as for changes to the specs mentioned, # max locked targets, reduce to 7 (nerf) # main tank make a little more resistant, (Scythe and Exequror bump main tank to 1500 the other 2 have 1650) (Scythe seems lacking in hull) i ask for more tank to give new players more of a chance and a feeling of self worth. (buff) # Scythe and Exequror are on par with the T2 logi i would reduce them by 10, 35 and 40 respectively this means that the ships can still field 5 drones just fewer replacements. (nerf)
Malice Redeemer Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate 128	Posted - 2012.09.26 16:39:00 - [242] - Quote This may be the most balance upsetting change we have seen. Logis are too strong, now you can have as many for your fleet as you like as everyone, there alt, and there dog will be able to fly one. its a great idea, but tune the stats down or you are going to see blobs everywhere.
Thaddeus Rees Armored Core Strategies 2	Posted - 2012.09.27 14:41:00 - [243] - Quote So far, I think the proposed changes are fantastic. It's long overdue that t1 cruisers could actually function as effective logistic substitutes. One thing I'd like to request while you are doing this work, is that you make remote armor repair systems deliver armor at the start of the rep cycle, and not the end. This is the defining reason shield logistics is more prevalent in large fleet actions, and currently has too large an advantage over armor....
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 761	Posted - 2012.09.29 16:15:00 - [244] - Quote Malice Redeemer wrote: This may be the most balance upsetting change we have seen. Logis are too strong, now you can have as many for your fleet as you like as everyone, there alt, and there dog will be able to fly one. its a great idea, but tune the stats down or you are going to see blobs everywhere. It's a better game change than off grid boosting and active people is always better than afk POS kissing alts. Then if someone else can bring T1 logisitc cruisers you should be able too, just make yourself more friends and less alts. Players like me who really don't like healers in space job will not be flying those anyway or just once in time for lulz. brb
Stegas Tyrano GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy 5	Posted - 2012.10.06 00:14:00 - [245] - Quote Now that the scythe is losing it's Tracking Link bonus, will you introduce new logistics/support ships with different roles (like tracking link boosters)?
Harvey James Prospero's Sight 65	Posted - 2012.10.06 16:09:00 - [246] - Quote Stegas Tyrano wrote: Now that the scythe is losing it's Tracking Link bonus, will you introduce new logistics/support ships with different roles (like tracking link boosters)? mm.. perhaps tracking link and projected eccm range
Jaiz Savvy Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.10.07 15:59:00 - [247] - Quote I really love these. As someone who trained up to Logi 5 and have most of the skills that matter to 5 so I could be the best Logi pilot possible I wish these had always been around. To Solo Whiners: You mean 2 is more effective than one or are you implying that if you caught a single Logi ship you couldn't beat them? I do not understand why solo players in Eve come across as so entitled to their kills. Congrats on not bringing friends. I did. You lose. I win. Maybe I didn't bring Logi but my fleet's 5 DPS ships would like a word with your tank. Maybe I did bring Logi in which case "Hah Hah!" as your hurricane tries to break our tanks. Either way numbers matter. Logi is just another way they matter and numbers should matter. If you chose to go off into the wild black solo in a BC that is your decision. Just stop whining about blobs when you meet people who have friends. Calsys wrote: where you see basi w\ 4 LST? Why would you use a Basi with less than 4? Basi and Guardian with Logi 4 can maintain 4 Large Reps with two Large Power Transfers. That is their advantage over the solo ones. They sacrifice working well solo for it. Ex. [Basilisk, Basi Fleet] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I I actually hate this fit because I have Logi 5 and it ties up both of my large Regards to stay cap stable with everything on. Still, it is a fit I have seen used successfully many times. Since I already use T2 Logi I don't plan on using the T1 cruisers in most instances. Stop trying to argue they are equal to the T2s when they really really aren't. They are just a very solid stepping stone.
Harvey James Prospero's Sight 65	Posted - 2012.10.07 16:10:00 - [248] - Quote its odd to see so many large mods on a cruiser it feels wrong to me like they should really be using mediums. and giving ridiculous 1000% bonus's on it shouldn't be happening it tells you the T2 logi are over bonused (and should be using medium reppers) for these T1's to need such a massive bonus to get anywhere near worth using.
Fidelium Mortis Quantum Cats Syndicate 119	Posted - 2012.10.08 19:38:00 - [249] - Quote Will these changes impact the faction variants, or will they remain the same for now? ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon
Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 235	Posted - 2012.10.12 18:24:00 - [250] - Quote The faction variants filled a completely different role than the base T1 variant before, so why should that change now? The Navy exeq was more like a thorax in usage... maybe they can change these to another hull model (like they did with the helios a while back, andd recently the SBs), based off the "tier 3" cruisers. I agree that the drone bonus is lame Suggestions: Augoror: Cruiser skill bonuses: 15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount 5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use Role Bonus: 1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers and Energy Transfers 200% bonus to Energy Transfer Array transfer amount Exequror: Cruiser skill bonuses: 15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount * 5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use-> 7.5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use (or maybe even 10%) Role Bonus: 1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers * 100% bonus to Logistic Drone (both armor and shield) rep amount -> no bonus As with their T2 brethren, we'd have logi that should be in a cap chain, and logi that don't need to be in a cap chain Then to the T2 logi, we can think about other things like ewar support as a secondary specialization on top of the repping: ECCM (Gallente, counters their caldari enemy), remote Sebo (Caldari, counters the gallente enemy, aids sniping), remote tracking links (minmatar, counters amarr tracking disruptors), ... uhh something to counter minmatar TPs? Another thought is to make the exequor a shield and armor logi - Gallente Carriers, ie huge logis, have bonuses to shield and armor transfers. I dislike them trying to shoe gallente into armor. Like minmatar, many gallente ships can be fit well for shields, many can be fit well for armor (yet they seem to insist on putting armor rep bonuses on the good gall shield boats) T1 logis could go like so: Caldari: Shield transfer bonus, energy transfer bonus Amarr: Armor transfer bonus, energy transfer bonus Gallente: Armor and shield transfer bonus Minmatar: Shield transfer bonus, remote tracking link bonus

Lipbite Express Hauler 169	Posted - 2012.10.14 10:15:00 - [251] - Quote 2/3 of T2 rep capacity (~ 250hp/sec for T1 vs 380hp/sec for T2) for 1/40 of T2 cruiser price - that's really interesting. Could be nice to see these changes combined with killmails for logistics ships. P.S. Logi drones are lame. Don't trade them for repper turrets slots, please.
Syrias Bizniz Carnivore Company To be Announced. 14	Posted - 2012.10.14 14:02:00 - [252] - Quote I would really like to see the faction variants of these cruisers to be rolebonused into covert ops support cruisers, like the Etana but without all the steroids and crack. Also, so far these support cruisers seem to be... awesome :)
Alice Katsuko Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing 136	Posted - 2012.10.17 22:29:00 - [253] - Quote I assume that the dev team reads this blog, but just in case. Some interesting numbers. I don't agree with the conclusion that these ships are overpowered -- they have to be viable in their own right, and be mere stepping stones for T2 logistics, but it may be worthwhile to pay special attention to the impact of T1 logistics on fleet fights post-Retribution.
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 948	Posted - 2012.10.18 04:04:00 - [254] - Quote The blog is neat, though Logi V pilots shouldn't fret just yet. The oversized trick only works on the shield logistic cruisers; Logistics ships get a bonus to fitting reps, but the shield Logis only get a CPU fitting bonus and the Scythe/Osprey have a healthy CPU to fall back on. The notion that T1 will be ~30% better~ than T2 is hyperbolic (though great for blog views) - a standard fit AB Scimi would still rep more than an oversized Scythe (though it would only be 10% better), and in fleet warfare I would rather have a ship that can survive than one that can do a hilarious gimmick, but that is my own personal view. In smaller scale things I'd still prefer a Scimi, since (3 of these Scythes could be shut down by 1 Maulus. In a 1v1 situation with a hidden Scythe alt I could indeed wreak havoc, but there would be much more havoc with a Griffin or Crucifier alt (hey these new ewar frigs are balloutrageous). But all of that is beside the point. The T1 cruiser logistics are designed, if I understand Fozzie correctly, to operate with medium reps. Eve players constantly prove one thing: we're very good at breaking things. A good reason to post these things early )) I do agree that (easily) fitting large reps on a Scythe/Osprey is broken, and it should be rather trivial to bring the mechanic that makes it nonviable for the Augoror/Exequror to play the same trick. I do sort of hope that you can gimp your fit and have a gimmick 90km Scythe that is effectively useless in 95% of the situations but comedic gold in the remaining 5%. ~
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 784	Posted - 2012.10.18 04:11:00 - [255] - Quote Elise Randolph wrote: The T1 cruiser logistics are designed, if I understand Fozzie correctly, to operate with medium reps. Eve players constantly prove one thing: we're very good at breaking things. A good reason to post these things early )) I do agree that (easily) fitting large reps on a Scythe/Osprey is broken, and it should be rather trivial to bring the mechanic that makes it nonviable for the Augoror/Exequror to play the same trick. I do sort of hope that you can gimp your fit and have a gimmick 90km Scythe that is effectively useless in 95% of the situations but comedic gold in the remaining 5%. Good opinion on blasters, now what do you think about cruiser logi ships? I'm not shitposting.
S1dy Twinstar Universal Services Ewoks 0	Posted - 2012.10.18 08:05:00 - [256] - Quote As said in the blog, too: Updated attributes with what is announced so far. But i think Jester took it a little wrong because the rep isn't 40% stronger than with Scimitar. It's just 16,7% compaired directly (1152 to 1344). He should differentiate between the logi's boost and what the boosted ship is able to tank. Nevertheless, CCP should rework this. But i think it's easy made: The Scythe got too much CPU (Medium Shield Transfer fitted the Scythe only needs 395 of available 518 CPU). They just have to take 100 or 110 CPU away and there is no possibility of fitting 2 Large Shield Transfers. Easy made and with Mediums still a fine and well balanced ship in my opinion. Elise Randolph wrote: The blog is neat, though Logi V pilots shouldn't fret just yet. The oversized trick only works on the shield logistic cruisers; Logistics ships get a bonus to fitting reps, but the shield Logis only get a CPU fitting bonus and the Scythe/Osprey have a healthy CPU to fall back on. The notion that T1 will be ~30% better~ than T2 is hyperbolic (though great for blog views) - a standard fit AB Scimi would still rep more than an oversized Scythe (though it would only be 10% better), and in fleet warfare I would rather have a ship that can survive than one that can do a hilarious gimmick, but that is my own personal view. Guess what? There are always guys out there trying exactly this overpowered boosting scythe and will be - i bet on this - victory with it. In the end it's all about the pilots skills in flying ships, not the ship itself. So there should be no possibility to do exactly this Large Shield Transfer fit
Bouh Revetoile Barricade. 101	Posted - 2012.10.18 11:32:00 - [257] - Quote S1dy wrote: Guess what? There are always guys out there trying exactly this overpowered boosting scythe and will be - i bet on this - victory with it. In the end it's all about the pilots skills in flying ships, not the ship itself. So there should be no possibility to do exactly this Large Shield Transfer fit You cannot prevent anything bad to happen and allowing people to be creative at the same time. It's plain impossible.
Alice Katsuko Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing 139	Posted - 2012.10.18 14:27:00 - [258] - Quote I agree with Elise, and think that Jester is overreacting somewhat, especially when you consider that his fitting requires Minmatar Cruiser V to work, which does not have a trivial training time. Besides which. An AB Scythe or Osprey will die in a fire if it stays on grid for any length of time, since it cannot maintain range in any meaningful way, unless the pilot has bounce spots all over the grid and no bubbles to stop him from using them. When fit with MWD, the T1 support cruisers have about 20%-50% less repping power than comparable T2 logistics fittings. A 5/1 Basilisk is absolutely superior to a 4/1 Osprey, for example. Similarly, an AB Scimitar is superior to an AB Scythe in tank and in sustained repping power. Comparing an AB Scythe with an MWD Scimitar is not really all that meaningful, as I tried to point out in comments to Jester's post. It may be a good idea to release these ships with the currently-proposed stats, and see how they are used. EVE players will find all of the potential exploits quite quickly, and the stats can then be adjusted accordingly.

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 1921	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:08:00 - [259] - Quote Part of the reason we've been announcing these ships so early is so that we can implement changes based on feedback we receive before release. Thanks to everyone who is putting work into breaking all of these ships and sharing their feedback. We've been seeing feedback for a while that we need to tighten up the fittings on some of the Support Cruisers and that blog illustrated one of the many examples of why. The basic design still appears sound, but don't expect the exact fitting numbers to stay the same between now and release. Game Designer \| Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie

Marcel Devereux Aideron Robotics 166	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:36:00 - [260] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Part of the reason we've been announcing these ships so early is so that we can implement changes based on feedback we receive before release. Thanks to everyone who is putting work into breaking all of these ships and sharing their feedback. We've been seeing feedback for a while that we need to tighten up the fittings on some of the Support Cruisers and that blog illustrated one of the many examples of why. The basic design still appears sound, but don't expect the exact fitting numbers to stay the same between now and release. Fozzie bend your knee and bow to the might and greatness of Ripard Teg! You shall fix the Support Cruisers because he says so! He has defeated you with numbers and shiit. Get to steppin.

Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 949	Posted - 2012.10.18 17:00:00 - [261] - Quote rodyas wrote: Elise Randolph wrote: The T1 cruiser logistics are designed, if I understand Fozzie correctly, to operate with medium reps. Eve players constantly prove one thing: we're very good at breaking things. A good reason to post these things early )) I do agree that (easily) fitting large reps on a Scythe/Osprey is broken, and it should be rather trivial to bring the mechanic that makes it nonviable for the Augoror/Exequror to play the same trick. I do sort of hope that you can gimp your fit and have a gimmick 90km Scythe that is effectively useless in 95% of the situations but comedic gold in the remaining 5%. Good opinion on blasters, now what do you think about cruiser logi ships? Actually lol'd pretty hard. ~
Alice Katsuko Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing 140	Posted - 2012.10.18 20:00:00 - [262] - Quote A thought to consider: Racial Cruiser V takes 24 days on an omni-specced character with no implants. In comparison, Logistics V takes 29 days on that same character. I'm ignoring the time it would take to train the Shield Emission Systems or Remote Armor Repair Systems V, although those make a fair difference as well. So if you want to put in a time sink before folk can use support cruisers, increase cap use of medium (and small) reppers, then add a Logistics-like cap use bonus to the appropriate racial cruiser skills. So a new player will be able to use a Scythe with only Racial Cruiser IV, but will have to sacrifice tank or somesuch to do so, much as a player currently has to do with the tech-2 logistics. I don't think this is necessary. These ships will be very useful, especially in cheap cruiser fleets, but they're not going to replace 'real' Logistics ships. For example. It's all very well to talk about how an AB Scythe will be able to rep at 92km; except that this Scythe will be blown apart on a special priority as soon as it comes within range, because it will have 44% less EHP than a AB Scimitar, and will get 44% less reps than if it and its buddy were Scimitars. And it will have 13% less repping power than a 4-large-repper AB Scimitar, assuming perfect skills. Overall, playing around with EFT, I've noticed the following, excluding some very specific-use fits. The T1 support cruisers have between 13% and 30% less repping power, about 45% less self-repping power (EHP/s if repped by an identically-fit ship), and between 32% and 54% less EHP, if you're comparing similar fits and ships. That is, if you compare an AB Scythe to an AB Scimitar, or a 5/1 MWD Basilisk to a 4/1 MWD Osprey. It is possible to fit 2 large and 1 medium repper onto an AB Osprey, at the cost of making it absurdly easy to jam or neut. But it will still have 13% less repping power than a similarly-fit 5/1 Basilisk, and half the tank and resilience. I ran some EFT numbers. The Excel file may be found here. Strongly suggest folk who have not done so play around with the fittings and plug in their numbers, and see what they get.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 3185	Posted - 2012.10.18 20:11:00 - [263] - Quote There's a lot of talk here about fits that aren't using ECCM, which I consider great folly if you're flying Logistics. I think a much more reasonable comparison can be made when you start factoring this critical module into the equation. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Kai'rae Saarkus Ganja Labs Exodus. 16	Posted - 2012.10.19 00:17:00 - [264] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: There's a lot of talk here about fits that aren't using ECCM, which I consider great folly if you're flying Logistics. I think a much more reasonable comparison can be made when you start factoring this critical module into the equation. Absolutely agree: with one best-named ECCM on a Scythe you're looking at a Sensor strength of 25.5 vs 33 for a Scimi. That's Vs a Jam Strength of approximately 10 on a BB (depending on skills, and the precise fit). So you're looking at (rough orders of magnitude) a 2:1 ratio of Sensor Strength to Jam Strength for Scythes and a 3:1 ratio for Scimis. What's more: fitting an ECCM on a Scimi (with Logi and support skills at 5) is far easier than fitting an ECCM on a Scythe with either Large Reppers or less than perfect skills. T1 Support cruisers will rep comparably to T2 Logis; however, their survivability and resistance to EWAR are much lower. This means they will work well as Logis but will be easily counterable by a balanced small gang.
Namamai Stimulus Rote Kapelle 18	Posted - 2012.10.19 00:25:00 - [265] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: There's a lot of talk here about fits that aren't using ECCM, which I consider great folly if you're flying Logistics. I think a much more reasonable comparison can be made when you start factoring this critical module into the equation. I'll bite. Here's a fit that uses the Scythe "as intended", that has ECCM, and that still is absurdly good. Quote: [Scythe, Triple Medium (no nanos)] Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Medium Shield Transporter II Medium Shield Transporter II Medium Shield Transporter II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I For comparison, here's the typical three-large-rep MWD Scimitar fit I use for small gang logistics. (There are variants out there, mostly revolving around taking various extremes of tank, mobility, and cap stability; this is a good "middle of the road" fit. There are also AB quad-rep Scimitar fits used in large-scale fleet warfare that I won't address here.) Quote: [Scimitar, MWD Triple-Rep (Standard)] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I How do they stack up? Numbers assume Minmatar Cruiser V, Logistics V, no Siege Warfare gang links, and a squad commander with perfect Leadership skills. * The Scythe has 97% of the Scimi's repping ability with only 5km range lost: - - Scythe: 1008 HP every 4.5 seconds, or 224 HP/sec, at a max range of 66km - - Scimitar: 1152 HP every 5 seconds, or 230 HP/sec, at a max range of 71km * The Scythe has 70% of the Scimi's HP: - - Scythe: 25,511 total EHP, 63/64/73/77 shield resists - - Scimi: 34,300 total EHP, 87/79/69/74 shield resists - - (Both are firmly in "gets alphaed by a few Tornados" territory.) * The Scythe has a minor mobility advantage: - - Scythe: 6sec align time, 2131/3040 m/s on MWD - - Scimi: 6sec align time, 2051/2919 m/s on MWD * The Scimitar has slightly better sensors: - - Scythe: 72km lock range, 550mm scan resolution, 25.5/29.2 sensor strength - - Scimi: 82km lock range, 550mm scan resolution, 33.3/38.2 sensor strength * The Scythe has better cap stability: - - Scythe: Lasts 3 minutes running all modules, cap stable if one invuln is turned off or one rep is pulsed. - - Scimi: Lasts 2 min 30 sec running all modules, cap stable only if the MWD is turned off. To be clear, I think the Scythe is totally awesome in this mode. However, I hope that the Scimitar will remain a superior choice for people who have the skill points to fly it. I should also note that skilled pilots can improve on this fit by downgrading the LSE and one of the reps to meta-4, and then replacing the Power Diagnostic System with a T2 nanofiber. This will lower its cap stability to roughly equal with the Scimitar, but will give it a significant speed advantage (even over a Scimitar with one nano).
Malken The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 49	Posted - 2012.10.19 18:38:00 - [266] - Quote scythe reps better than basilisk (3 large reps x 75% bonus = 5.25 effective large reps @ 92km range; 2016 shields every 5sec), is cap stable, faster than ab scimi (771m/s), no tank true but has 2 damps against enemy sniper or ecm platform. [NEW Scythe, 3 large rr] Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Cap Recharger II Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I why CCP? Gÿ+/ /Gûî / \
Veshta Yoshida PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 321	Posted - 2012.10.19 21:35:00 - [267] - Quote Didn't YtterbiumGÖÑFozzie say that they are looking at options/ways to prevent the use of large RR mods except as gimmicks? Can be done quite easily by tweaking fitting reqs for large mods and the attributes of the "proper" (read: T2) logistics as they are the intended abusers/users. Now lets talk pigeon holes. Why must all logistics be one trick ponies?
Sheynan Lighting the blight 82	Posted - 2012.10.19 21:40:00 - [268] - Quote What about a "rolebonus" of 40% increased CPU for fitted large shield transporters ? Might be the easiest way, without gimping large shield transporters on other ships (as rarely as they are used, but still...).
J A Aloysiusz Precision Strike Brigade Pirate Coalition 12	Posted - 2012.10.19 22:14:00 - [269] - Quote drone bonus is next to useless. - even t1 maintainance drones require drone 5, which is not a priority among logi pilots, especially not newbies - drones take too long to reach the target to be helpful on reps in larger fleets - logi pilots would rather have anti-tackle defence - you need to be able to ***** onto kills ;D why not keep a tracking link bonus for the scythe and exequror? With crappy skills, the links will easily give around a 30% bonus to tracking. It's an easy way for newer players to support their friendlies in bigger ships. Plus, it maintains that "synergy" with the T2 logi ships, as the scimi and oneiros both get tracking bonuses. Unless maybe there are other ships in mind for a tracking link bonus? edit: heck, you don't even need the current 3.5% level bonus, just leaving the range role bonus would make more sense than the drones' repping bonus. That way, osprey and augoror get cap and reps range, and scythe and exeq get reps and tracking link range.
chris elliot EG CORP Talocan United 51	Posted - 2012.10.20 20:08:00 - [270] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: There's a lot of talk here about fits that aren't using ECCM, which I consider great folly if you're flying Logistics. I think a much more reasonable comparison can be made when you start factoring this critical module into the equation. Not like it matters to terribly much on any of the t1 hulls anyway. ECM in general is broken as fck so you might as well get as much tank as you can before you get jammed by an ibis.



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