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impli
Tr0pa de elite.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.11 14:20:00 -
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Art pictures ? maybe ? :D new hull designs .. ? maybe ? |
Hoarr
RPS holdings
38
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Posted - 2012.09.11 14:27:00 -
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If drones are only useful after a fight, why give a bonus to them at all? I would rather have something I can use during the fight, then just take extra time afterwards to rep up. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1147
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Posted - 2012.09.11 14:46:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.
Give the drones the same relative optimal range bonus that the ship gets... it would make them useful during combat, and also give them better survivability vs. smartbombs.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
196
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Posted - 2012.09.11 14:54:00 -
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I am very happy with logistic ships being the slowest ship in their class because as scimitars and other logis show they can be impossible to touch when backing eachother up or easily dictating range... Logistics capable of outrunning all dangers makes for poor gameplay and plenty other options are available for making them usefull. This could be with a low signature just like T2 logis and/or a decent amount of hitpoints since they have no resist bonus.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.11 14:54:00 -
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Making sure ships aren't too overpowered is always something we have to keep in mind. Sometimes ships get bonuses that are less powerful than other bonuses could have been, and that's intentional.
That's not to say that the bonus can't be changed, but I want to make it clear that we didn't give them the rep drone bonus thinking "This will be the best bonus we could ever give these ships". It was a "This is a bonus that is useful in certain circumstances, provides a clear link to the T2 version and doesn't make these powerful ships too good".
Game Designer | Team Game of Drones
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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.09.11 14:57:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The drones are definitely something more useful for PVE and repping i between fights. We very well could replace the drone bonus with a tracking link bonus, but we'll see.
you can use this oportunity to give some love to logi drones...
question: how many pilots train logi drones t2 and use them?
some sugestions:
- review the skill training time
- review logi drones speed
- review logi drone rep range
- review logi drone area of operation
Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |
Kesthely
Fleet of the Damned
Happy Endings
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Posted - 2012.09.11 14:57:00 -
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At first glance they look good, i-¦m just concerned with the sig radius of these ships |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
765
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Posted - 2012.09.11 14:58:00 -
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So apparently your entire train of thought was based on tech2 logistics being balanced as they are? Do you really believe that's the case?
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Lord Helghast
Dirty Old Bastards
Nulli Secunda
115
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:01:00 -
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I wonder if CCP will remember there are Navy versions of these ships they have to account for lol |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Kraken.
303
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:04:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:So apparently your entire train of thought was based on tech2 logistics being balanced as they are? Do you really believe that's the case?
I don't quite follow but I hope you are bearing in mind Crimewatch changes are likely to have logistics gain the same aggression timer as whoever they're repping |
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Dwindlehop
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:05:00 -
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I just wanted to add that repair drones are useful for small gangs. If you bring only two support cruisers to a fight, repair drones make them substantially more ECM resistant. Their utility is reduced as fleet size grows, however. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
765
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:07:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:So apparently your entire train of thought was based on tech2 logistics being balanced as they are? Do you really believe that's the case? I don't quite follow but I hope you are bearing in mind Crimewatch changes are likely to have logistics gain the same aggression timer as whoever they're repping
Logistics are imbalanced stats-wise, the repping mechanics is a whole another story. So that's the question: why make another class based on false assumptions, when you inevitably will have to deal with them both in the future 
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
648
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:14:00 -
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Any chance we'll see updated stats on energy transfer arrays in addition to RARs and STAs? |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
838
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:16:00 -
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#1 - Are you concerned about someone putting a MONO-Large Remote Repper on these?
An Exequror can fit a Large Remote rep, which with your bonuses would mean it can reach 84km and with L5 skills do 1.75x a large repper.
#2 - The tracking bonus has always been a "meh" for me, and with the Exequror+Scythe, the Exequror is more likely to use it since the scythe needs the mids for shield tanking, so really - it's not a fairly balanced bonus to give to the Scythe which will always want more tank than tracking links at the end of the day in most fleet scenarios.
I could see the Exeq's getting a tracking bonus however and would help the blaster boats in a realistic fashion.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Hoarr
RPS holdings
39
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:20:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:
I could see the Exeq's getting a tracking bonus however and would help the blaster boats in a realistic fashion.
Blasters already track really well. |
Hoarr
RPS holdings
39
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:22:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Making sure ships aren't too overpowered is always something we have to keep in mind. Sometimes ships get bonuses that are less powerful than other bonuses could have been, and that's intentional.
That's not to say that the bonus can't be changed, but I want to make it clear that we didn't give them the rep drone bonus thinking "This will be the best bonus we could ever give these ships". It was "This is a bonus that is useful in certain circumstances, provides a clear link to the T2 version and doesn't make these powerful ships too good".
Well that's fair enough, then. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
838
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:23:00 -
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Hoarr wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:
I could see the Exeq's getting a tracking bonus however and would help the blaster boats in a realistic fashion.
Blasters already track really well.
I was thinking more for optimal range bonuses.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
109
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:23:00 -
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330 PG (412.5 with Engineering V) on the Scythe looks rather tight - T2 medium shield transporters take 100 PG each and a meta 2 MWD is 150, meaning you'd be over on PG before fitting anything else and would need multiple reactor controls or ancillary current routers to get a large shield extender on. |
Hoarr
RPS holdings
39
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:27:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Hoarr wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:
I could see the Exeq's getting a tracking bonus however and would help the blaster boats in a realistic fashion.
Blasters already track really well. I was thinking more for optimal range bonuses.
That's just a function of the weapon. No reasonable range bonus is going to help that. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
196
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:29:00 -
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Plz make it possible to fit these ships 100% for combat if you should want to... A full rack of 3 guns/launchers doesn't have the bonus so shouldn't cause any issues even with plenty lowslots for damage mods? Making themed ships a bit more versatile would nothing but promote variety and enable fun WTF moments. Just because other ships are better doesn't mean you should exclude other roles?
People should not be able to guess the pilots intent with a ship based entirely on the ship type...
If Osprey = no dps logistic every time -> Eve = boring
If Osprey = often a no dps logistic -> Eve = a little bit more interesting |
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Hoarr
RPS holdings
39
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:32:00 -
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Tsubutai wrote:330 PG (412.5 with Engineering V) on the Scythe looks rather tight - T2 medium shield transporters take 100 PG each and a meta 2 MWD is 150, meaning you'd be over on PG before fitting anything else and would need multiple reactor controls or ancillary current routers to get a large shield extender on.
See module fitting changes. Also, you use the meta 4s, not the T2s. |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
109
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:40:00 -
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Hoarr wrote:Tsubutai wrote:330 PG (412.5 with Engineering V) on the Scythe looks rather tight - T2 medium shield transporters take 100 PG each and a meta 2 MWD is 150, meaning you'd be over on PG before fitting anything else and would need multiple reactor controls or ancillary current routers to get a large shield extender on. See module fitting changes. Also, you use the meta 4s, not the T2s.
Yeah, I completely overlooked that, which was pretty dumb. Not sure why you'd use meta 4 over T2 given adequate fitting room, though - the better heat tolerance of the meta 4 reps doesn't really compensate for the shorter cycle time of the T2 reps/transporters, which will fit just fine on the new hulls as long as you're not a stupid who ignores changes in their PG requirements. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
633
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:41:00 -
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To all the "CSM isn't doing anything crowd":
Cruiser rebalance WAY ahead of schedule. T1 Logi cruisers your logistics FCs wont turn away from fleets. You're welcome
"Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á
-Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet
Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Aprudena Gist
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:42:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:To all the "CSM isn't doing anything crowd":
Cruiser rebalance WAY ahead of schedule. T1 Logi cruisers your logistics FCs wont turn away from fleets. You're welcome
The CSM didnt do this or ask for it this was all because of ccp fozzie aka Rive that pilot who knows things about the game unlike everyone on the CSM. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
633
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:44:00 -
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Aprudena Gist wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:To all the "CSM isn't doing anything crowd":
Cruiser rebalance WAY ahead of schedule. T1 Logi cruisers your logistics FCs wont turn away from fleets. You're welcome The CSM didnt do this or ask for it this was all because of ccp fozzie aka Rive that pilot who knows things about the game unlike everyone on the CSM.
Well duh we're not programmers or game designers. But accelerated rebalancing efforts were a major push by the CSM.
Soooo yes we did ask for it.
"Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á
-Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet
Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
765
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:46:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:To all the "CSM isn't doing anything crowd":
Cruiser rebalance WAY ahead of schedule. T1 Logi cruisers your logistics FCs wont turn away from fleets. You're welcome
That's the whole point: all we hear is fleets, fleets, fleets.
Any intentions of improving solo and small-scale combat? And no, introduction of uttely OP ASB is not what sane people call an improvement.
Things like:
- cynoes and hot-drops
- overtanking
- ease of intel
come to mind. Also, as said above, introduction of cheap-ass version of logistics, which already were quite dominant in EVE, is hardly a step in right direction.
Anyway, I'd like to see what Fozzie himself thinks about it.
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Ruareve
Applied Creations
The Fendahlian Collective
74
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:49:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Aprudena Gist wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:To all the "CSM isn't doing anything crowd":
Cruiser rebalance WAY ahead of schedule. T1 Logi cruisers your logistics FCs wont turn away from fleets. You're welcome The CSM didnt do this or ask for it this was all because of ccp fozzie aka Rive that pilot who knows things about the game unlike everyone on the CSM. Well duh we're not programmers or game designers. But accelerated rebalancing efforts were a major push by the CSM. Soooo yes we did ask for it.
Yep, jump in front of the herd and point to how you are leading the charge. Typical politics.
As for the changes. I really like the looks of them. I've used the Osprey as a pure Logi bird even though it truly was horrible at the job. With these changes I can see risking an Osprey instead of a T2 bird while learning how to operate in a fleet better or when funds are tight.
Thank you CCP
Yet another blog about Eve- http://ruar-eve.blogspot.com/ |
Gypsio III
Chemikals
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
340
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:59:00 -
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Unforgiven Storm wrote:100% bonus to Logistic Drone (both armor and shield) rep amount   nobody uses drones on logistic ships in battle situations. fleets now a days are warped arround the battlefields on a nonstop basis
Other types of fleet exist. Smaller ones, more like gangs, possibly called "small-gangs", where tactical warping is rarer. In these situations the repper drones would be useful - although I acknowledge that you could quite easily argue that ECM drones would be more useful. It' also worth noting that ECM and RSDs are more potent in small-gang environments, and that repper drones offer a way of continuing to apply RR in an ewar-heavy environment.
So maybe not the greatest bonus, but not useless either. Regarding a tracking link bonus, I think we should be wary of ways that increase a ship's tracking or range with short-range weapons too much, "blapping" can easily become excessive. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
149
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:01:00 -
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The Exequror makes a better combat shield tanker than it does a armor logi:
[Exequror, Armor Tanking Is A Joke!]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Tracking Enhancer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x5
All V the PG/CPU would be 762.5/343.75. This fit only takes up 577.8/337.5. I'm sure you can tweak this more to have better tank and damage output (currently 209) as I did this by hand.
The reps on the drones is 360 raw hitpoints every 5 seconds, just under one T2 armor rep on the Augoror or Exequror. Still a better tackler than a armor logi. Also this thing is faster than the current Rupture (1,644.49 vs 1,591.35). Hmm. Maybe this will fit into the Alpha Rupture fleets. Reps+DPS. Let's poor another one out for our Armor hommies. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2100
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:03:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
They also rely more strongly on role bonuses than skill bonuses so that they will continue to be viable even without Cruiser 5.
I believe that the range role bonus is fine but the drone rep amount/energy transfer role bonus is going too far. I'll look at the ship stats soon. :)
-Liang
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