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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust
Think this sums it up nicely.
Worth repeating so devs in the thread will notice. Documents like that that cut through the trolling and white noise are going to be very valuable in the hours ahead. ---------------------------------------------
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Velvaeta Glayz
Acme Import Export
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:52:00 -
[3812]
Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Zverofaust Edited by: Zverofaust on 24/06/2011 13:42:13 Think this sums it up nicely.
QFI. Quoting for Importance.
There are some things i personally disagree on logic level. But non-then less its viable source.
Excellent. Also don't agree with 100%, but it's a fine post.
Also: Linkage
(Want to keep these posts visible among the 1000s of responses.)
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Sol Kal'orr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: GunJob
keep posting my dear +1
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nishachara Btw... This just occured to me. Do you people remember how ccp devs were stating for some time now that they want to tie up incarna with combat booster trading and black market..etc...
What if they really mean to sell boosters for aurum?
Goes along with a number of other 'ideas' they've floated over the years. This is why MT is just so damning to this environment.
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:52:00 -
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Helicity organizing the forumwarriorsunitedmobile and using alts etc to further inflame the discussion? Making alot of trouble where little should have been had? Keep a permaban on that no good purulent wound on a donkeys dug. If the warriorbrigade had not risen to free helicity of a simple forum ban, CCP could probably have comeout with an explanation much faster. Now they got threadnaughted by alts with only one agenda: Our buddie is butthurt and rallying us. Because a lowly forum moderater banned her. The forum ban of helicity would have been lifted by now if helicity hadnt massed her armies to cause ccp grief, nerdrage much. Now heli is permabanned. Yeah I would have done that to.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:53:00 -
[3816]
Just so you know guys, Valve's Team Fortress 2 went FREE today, no need to pay anything.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sur Jamkar
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Given my position as a CSM, it would not be appropriate for me to advocate that my fellow players take a particular action.
Dude - It's time to man up son. I see your position within the CSM is more important then the players who you represent and even voted for you. You can GTFO. Don't count on a re-election next time after not having the balls to stand up for something.
I have a responsibility as your representative to act on your behalf, and in your best interests. That means keeping calm, being diplomatic in public, and brutally honest in private.
You may rest assured that I have been spending 7-10 hours a day recently on CSM issues, because I love the game and what is happening to it deeply disturbs me. As I said before, actions speak louder than words, and I hope that when the next election comes around, those of my actions that become public will speak for themselves.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:53:00 -
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First I adding my support to no MT for game changing items.
I'm not concerned with the Nex store, I expect more, cheaper items to be added. I'm not concerned with this first step of Incarna being so limited, CCP has said before we will get the other CQ types and common areas in staged releases.
What concerns me is how CCP interacts with us customers, and how they alter their plans given how we react. I fear that right now they are in meetings where the subject is "how do we spin all these MT additions and other fees so the players will stop raging?" If someone in the meeting suggests that maybe the answer is to not do them at all, they are told that that decision has already been made and their job is to find some way to implement it.
CCP, if that's what is happening, you are doing it wrong. We do not want words on how non-vanity MT is not a bad thing, we want it gone.
You want more money? Get it by retaining current subscribers and recruiting new ones by delivering excellence. How do you know if you delivered excellence? Simple: The number of subscriptions increases.
There has been an increasing tendency as of late for CCP to do ignore the players and do whatever it thinks is right. This seems to have started with the Anomaly nerf. CCP, if you want to try and regain our trust, maybe you need to back up to that issue as well. I look at that thread and there is page after page asking questions and asking "Where is CCP?" Well where are you? Why do you not respond to questions about that issue? Questions like: did it get the effect you wanted?
But that's a secondary issue, just an example. The issue is when we ask questions on something controversial, you shut up. Its like you are thinking "We cannot answer that question without revealing we made a mistake", so instead of admitting and fixing your mistakes, you stop communicating.
Keep communicating. Be willing to change your actions based on our feedback. Deliver excellence. Do that, and we will not push the cancel button.
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Kendra Wilkinson
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:53:00 -
[3819]
for posterity i'm posting on page 128
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M14D
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Voith
Truth hurts don't it.
How many ships have you purchased through PLEX sales?
Haha.
All of them! Except my first Vexor.
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Monstress
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:54:00 -
[3821]
Originally by: Zverofaust Edited by: Zverofaust on 24/06/2011 13:42:13 Think this sums it up nicely.
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Verxla
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:54:00 -
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I only began to play the game (8 mil sp) and I kinda started to like it. The game is in my opinion a little repetitive and from my perspective it lack immersion but there is one thing that beats all other games and bring the "added value" (if we are in the theme of our neo-liberal economists who wrote papers like this) : the players - the community. I was fascinated with the dedication and the enthusiasm that people put into this game. This is the engine of Eve not CCP-s bits and algorithms and not even new fancy graphics. Now I am deciding if I should leave the game or not since I am convinced that the mentality cannot be changed in one day and that people in charge are going on the path where players are only cows to be milked and the smart ones, the ones that created the community will go sooner or later if this attitude continues. Hmm maybe the people at CCP have taken the EVE metagame too seriously and now they think that there are no limits to where you can go to gain profit.
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Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:54:00 -
[3823]
Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 24/06/2011 12:22:35 I feel sad that this has happened - and sad that I need to write this post (not just because it'll probably get buried under 9000 other posts). However, I hope this will be read because I am trying to make a reasonable argument here - not a raging flame post.
As a recurring member of the CSM, whose duty it is to represent the players (something I took very seriously), I went to CCP to discuss the issue of microtransactions. In fact, this topic was discussed several times on CSM summits (both in October and in December). We were assured that microtransactions would be vanity items only.
I was told, to my face, that CCP would not sell anything in their virtual goods store that would not be a vanity item (vanity items being useless fluff, not giving any benefits). Now I read in your newsletter that one of your main game designers is openly argueing to break this promise. I take that as a personal insult and a clear sign of disrespect towards the Eve community as a whole. Shame on you for even considering to break your word!
I'm still subscribed, the but moment CCP will offer anything other than vanity items for PLEX/AURUM/etc is the moment I will cancel my accounts. In going for the 'hobbyist gamer' (casual gamers, even though eve isn't that casual gamer friendly), you seem to have forgotten a large part of your player base. The part that has shaped Eve over the years: the hardcore gamers. We don't come here as a hobby to experience an ultimate sci-fi simulator. We pay a subscription for an all-access pass to this crazy dystopian universe, where what you do, what you become and what you achieve comes down only to your skills, dedication and your effort. And because of that, our actions are meaningful.
By extending the virtual goods sales beyond vanity items you directly attack one of the things that seperates Eve from all the other MMOs out there: that actions are meaningful. If I can just buy faction standing, what meaning is there in doing missions for faction standings? What meaning is there in finally achieving 6.0 standing (for POSs) or 9.0 standing (for COSMOS missions)? And from what I read, that's not even the end of it!
Some people might enjoy spending more money 'on their hobby' like it was golf (an analogy that is inherently flawed, which I'll explain below), but due to the dystopian, merciless nature of Eve you've bred a community that exists for a large part out of hardcore players. People who see Eve as a serious business proving ground - not as a lighthearted diversion. These are the people who have allowed you to get to where you are today. These are the people who stuck by you over the past 8 years - even if they do call themselves "bittervets". To turn your back on those people is at best poor form, and at worst commercial suicide. Because Star Wars Galaxies has shown you can't just trade in one group of customers for another.
Why golf is not the same as eve Specifically, buying golfclubs isn't the same as buying items in Eve. The equivalent would be if you could pay $100 to get one swing/strike/whatever it's called removed from your record. Instead of making a hole in 5, you could pay $400 and get it listed as a hole in one! Suddenly, your golf stats won't depend on how good you are, but simply on how much money you're willing to spend. Try to suggest that to golfers and see how they like it.
In Eve, just flying a spaceship isn't all there is to the gameplay. The effort to GET that spaceship is part of the game. The fact that it isn't easy to obtain certain things, achieve certain things or do certain things is exactly what makes these things meaningful. Meaningful to me AND to others, who can see what I have achieved. And now some game designer would like to take that away? Bad move CCP.
Need to make sure this doesn't get buried in the tsunami of posts.
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Lord Cath
Amarr Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:54:00 -
[3824]
Originally by: Vim Helicity organizing the forumwarriorsunitedmobile and using alts etc to further inflame the discussion? Making alot of trouble where little should have been had? Keep a permaban on that no good purulent wound on a donkeys dug. If the warriorbrigade had not risen to free helicity of a simple forum ban, CCP could probably have comeout with an explanation much faster. Now they got threadnaughted by alts with only one agenda: Our buddie is butthurt and rallying us. Because a lowly forum moderater banned her. The forum ban of helicity would have been lifted by now if helicity hadnt massed her armies to cause ccp grief, nerdrage much. Now heli is permabanned. Yeah I would have done that to.
it's hardly Helicity that caused CCP grief and nerdrage tbh... they kinda managed to get all that on their own account. Helicity was just being very vocal about it. Dont try to spin it... _________________________________________________
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:54:00 -
[3825]
Originally by: Vim Helicity organizing the forumwarriorsunitedmobile and using alts etc to further inflame the discussion? Making alot of trouble where little should have been had? Keep a permaban on that no good purulent wound on a donkeys dug. If the warriorbrigade had not risen to free helicity of a simple forum ban, CCP could probably have comeout with an explanation much faster. Now they got threadnaughted by alts with only one agenda: Our buddie is butthurt and rallying us. Because a lowly forum moderater banned her. The forum ban of helicity would have been lifted by now if helicity hadnt massed her armies to cause ccp grief, nerdrage much. Now heli is permabanned. Yeah I would have done that to.
more rage yay, more rage the better, i love rage
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Che Jin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:54:00 -
[3826]
Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Zverofaust
Think this sums it up nicely.
This ^
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Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:54:00 -
[3827]
Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Zverofaust
Think this sums it up nicely.
Worth repeating so devs in the thread will notice. Documents like that that cut through the trolling and white noise are going to be very valuable in the hours ahead.
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Kari Trace
Caldari Nox Imperium
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:54:00 -
[3828]
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: CCP Pann ItÆs clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>.
Really.
Quote: Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches?
No.
Quote: As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market.
Did you miss the 75 page threadnaught over "Greed Is Good"? Here, let me link it for you: http://www.mediafire.com/?ccl135embyb6c2v. I will continue to link it everywhere until the situation is resolved to my satisfaction, my accounts expire, or I am banned. It is very disrespectful of your customers, and outlines a strong desire by the Lead Game Designer of Flying In Space to make the entire game -- including PVP -- revolve around paying $10 for a new set of Noble autocannons every week.
With regards to the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market.... that's just pants on head stupid ******ed ****.
Quote: Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters.
I have to admit, I was extremely underwhelmed. Go play Mass Effect and visit the strip club. This is what I want for my CQ, if I must have one. Furthermore, I don't want to see my CQ unless I want to see my CQ. There's no content in it for someone that wants to blow **** up in space and most of the time I'm docked its to switch ships not **** with the ****ing couch.
Also, running... heard of it? **** man, total disappointment.
Quote: Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna.
NO ****ING ****. Having CQ (and Incarna) be optional would be a great start. After that, maybe hiring artists who have experience would be a good start. (See twitter conversations for details, or talk to Hesperius).
Quote: I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing
Threadnaught and leaked newsletter? Comments?
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If youÆve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
I have been a "pillar of the community" for years... but you guys are ****ing with my hobby. I get angry when you **** with my hobby. You guys are ****ing with the future of my favorite game company. STOP THE MADNESS DAMMIT. Microtransactions for in game benefit are going to ruin this game.
-Liang
well said.
+1
I can not say I'm a 'biter vet' but I'm no noob either. I know you (CCP) prides yourself as having an ever expanding player base, and that's great; and that you keep growing in the number of employees, that's great; and now you have a number of IPs, that's great; and I'm sure your making a decent profit with more on the way....but if you keep ****ing over the player base that made that all happen you'll quickly be looking for the un-employment line...
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Amon Dai
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Amon Dai on 24/06/2011 13:55:43
Originally by: Algathas
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Carry the fire my fellow zerglings, I'm off for now
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Scortched Merc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:55:00 -
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I really doubt CCP is even reading all this, thousands of posts in hundreds of threads...
The player base needs to adapt and continue to play the game... as it has always done.
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Kali Doom
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:55:00 -
[3831]
Originally by: Zverofaust
Think this sums it up nicely.
This is a perfect summary of the issues players have. Please read it CCP!!
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Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:55:00 -
[3832]
:)
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Kendra Wilkinson
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:55:00 -
[3833]
Originally by: Johnny spacy CCP is wasting your time away! Better waste it on a another MMO game called Perpetium Online.
Well my sub runs out in 2 days so its been canceled.
I hope all the best to CCP's fail attentions will change my mind as well, but resubbing just doesn't fit into my budget anymore and their response to this failed patch, is lack of hope to players all round!
And Braskus I'm still going to get you!
Have fun with the 250 other dude on the server
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Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:55:00 -
[3834]
New sig.
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Gerdan BloodELF
Minmatar D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:56:00 -
[3835]
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
CCP READ THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For Questions or to see my chars Join my Channel
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Bob the'Cyno
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:56:00 -
[3836]
I think their silence speaks words: "We don't care"
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Milkmy Sausage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:56:00 -
[3837]
If CCP don't sort this memo leak out my sub money is going on the lulzsec phone lines
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Adrie Atticus
Mining and Industrial Services
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:56:00 -
[3838]
Edited by: Adrie Atticus on 24/06/2011 13:56:43
Originally by: M14D
Originally by: Voith
Truth hurts don't it.
How many ships have you purchased through PLEX sales?
Haha.
All of them! Except my first Vexor.
But in contrast, all those ship you bought were player-made and wouldn't have existed if no one wanted to make them. AURUM-paid ships would just materialize out of thin air without player interaction. PLEX funding is not game-breaking.
Originally by: Darveses
New sig.
It's too big.
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Marishma
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:56:00 -
[3839]
Edited by: Marishma on 24/06/2011 13:56:29
Originally by: 5nake pliskan
Originally by: CCP Pann As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna.
you need glasses
what about the outright lies about MT as revealed in the leaked pdf? selling faction? selling weapons? selling ships?
The chief concerns I have and the reason I will leave EvE when this happens is when CCP bypassing the player's production of items in EvE. The moment that ships, weapons, ammo, etc are made out of thin air then I am gone.
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:56:00 -
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Whats worrying is CCP's lack of response.
Devblog posted 2010.11.22
Quote: Virtual goods sales in EVE Online will evolve through sales of vanity items, first in Incarna but later in-space features. The scope will be (and thereæs no design has been done around this, weære just talking strategy now) that anything that doesnæt affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means. Ideas that have come up include Incarna clothing and furniture, logos on spaceships and swapping out portraits. This is by no means a comprehensive list, nor is it a commitment that said items will be available for sale, I mention these as an example for what type of items weære thinking about.
Thats what they said in 6 months ago.
Now when they are asked about their stance in items that actually can give you an advantage, they are not giving us an up right answer.
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