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Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:42:00 -
[4351]
 Originally by: Ancyker
So I was on massively and they had a link to the now infamous newsletter, which I thought I had already read on evenews24.
But it said something about "missing pages". This peaked my interest so I downloaded it to compare to the first one. There are actually 20 pages in total in the original. It's pretty much the same thing, it appears the pages themselves were not edited, but pages were removed which dropped the context of the remaining pages. So while I'm still upset at those individuals my anger towards CCP as a whole has diminished.
The most notable line is:
DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this magazine do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confidential internal information. Please respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.
Though it still upsets me that certain individuals at CCP think as outlined in the PDF, I do feel a little better with that simple paragraph. It definitely opens the door for them to fix it, where before I didn't see a chance in hell of that happening.
Compare them for yourself:
EVENews24.com Version
Original Version
The tldr difference is basically this is just asking people within CCP their opinions on the matter and doesn't actually represent any actual plans. I still want confirmation in writing and signed by the CEO himself before I believe anything that CCP says, but I'm a bit less ragequit-y now.
While this doesn't restore my trust/faith in CCP, it damages what little I had to start with in evenews24. Ok, well, I never actually trusted evenews24 at all, but now I definitely won't ever trust them :P
That is fair enough but surely it would have been easier for them to respond if this is the case. I really am surprised and disappointed that we still have no real response on this issue and our concerns.
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:42:00 -
[4352]
Originally by: Ancyker
So I was on massively and they had a link to the now infamous newsletter, which I thought I had already read on evenews24.
But it said something about "missing pages". This peaked my interest so I downloaded it to compare to the first one. There are actually 20 pages in total in the original. It's pretty much the same thing, it appears the pages themselves were not edited, but pages were removed which dropped the context of the remaining pages. So while I'm still upset at those individuals my anger towards CCP as a whole has diminished.
The most notable line is:
DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this magazine do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confidential internal information. Please respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.
Though it still upsets me that certain individuals at CCP think as outlined in the PDF, I do feel a little better with that simple paragraph. It definitely opens the door for them to fix it, where before I didn't see a chance in hell of that happening.
Compare them for yourself:
EVENews24.com Version
Original Version
The tldr difference is basically this is just asking people within CCP their opinions on the matter and doesn't actually represent any actual plans. I still want confirmation in writing and signed by the CEO himself before I believe anything that CCP says, but I'm a bit less ragequit-y now.
While this doesn't restore my trust/faith in CCP, it damages what little I had to start with in evenews24. Ok, well, I never actually trusted evenews24 at all, but now I definitely won't ever trust them :P
Things just got much more interesting.
Good eye, sir.
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Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:43:00 -
[4353]
Originally by: Azmodeus Valar
I can understand CCP's need for extra revenue, and would be ok with MT as long as it was for things like clothing options, or different skins for ships (should be priced at $1-5). However, the internal debate at CCP has me deeply worried, as there should be no debate at all. Fundamentally changing the nature of what impacts a persistent game environment should never have been on the table.
The performance issues and lack of content with incarna also reveal that quality control is not what it should be, despite the large outcry last year about lack of quality control. Overall, I am concerned with CCP's direction, management, and ability to continue Eve as a thriving community. I fear that the rush for the quick buck will destroy your main source of revenue.
As a member of E-Uni, I am in a unique position of dealing with large numbers of new players to Eve on a regular basis. The factors that have brought people into Eve and kept them in game are well known, and I don't see CCP's direction as expanding those factors and increasing subscription count. I feel that it will have an adverse effect on retention, and lower involvement in what still has the potential to be a great game.
You want new players CCP? Listen to this.
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R.I.P.
EVE ONLINE
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:43:00 -
[4354]
Can all the idiots supporting any form of boost to the sandbox through MT's shut the hell up now, you are not helping @ all, now gtfo out of this thread.
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Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:44:00 -
[4355]
Originally by: Sarina Berghil
Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
Originally by: Nikodiemus
FRIENDS! There is a reason for this horrible incident and lack of communication and salesmanship.
CCP Hiring New Chief Marketing Officer
Someone should apply since CSM is obviously bull**** and kill the lies from within.
Was there a Chief Marketing Officer before? Normally Sales & Marketing reports to the CFO - this just proves that CCP new business plan is already being implemented ... or that they realised the current CFO is an incompetent money grabbing coward.
I couldn't help to notice this little snip from the job details:
Quote:
... leading thought innovation in marketing to the point of inspiring development rather than be framed by it.
When marketeers start to make game design decisions, its time to leave the sinking ship.
QFT x 10000
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Calden De'Altos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:44:00 -
[4356]
Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 24/06/2011 15:44:17
Suprises me that CCP has finally posted a response. As I am glad there are signs of life from them, to me, it just comes off as WAY too late to be asking for more time (seriously, how long does it take for you guys to offically say the newsletter is or is not real?). I, being one of the many who would walk away from this game as soon as it turns into "Pay-to-win," am dumbfounded in how CCP is handling this. I mean, if you guys are having such a difficult time figuring out how to handle this, that tells me you all kinda knew from the beginning this was a bad idea.
I hope, once CCP is finished removing tehir head from their thrid point of contact, that there can be a VERY open discussion into Eve, money, and how the player base would be willing pay for Eve. It is not often that you come across a suggestion that is so bad that it disrupts so many aspects of a game. Simple rule of thumb form now on: If you feel you cant run an idea by the CSM's, its probably a VERY bad idea.
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Chogon Toil
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:44:00 -
[4357]
If you don't like it, don't play it or pay for it?
Speak with your money, not your fingers. It'll have an actual impact.
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Tak149
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:44:00 -
[4358]
Originally by: Carmine Lady
Originally by: Templar Dane
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Bloody2k
Gallente
ZERO T0LERANCE
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
[4359]
Einmal mit Profis! |
Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
[4360]
Originally by: Da Gooch
Can all the idiots supporting any form of boost to the sandbox through MT's shut the hell up now, you are not helping @ all, now gtfo out of this thread.
Just because someone got different opinion ? Really ??
Well you can try to explain why. Instead of it. It would be actually far more productive.
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I'thari
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
[4361]
Originally by: Taipan Leviathan
****, i just scrolled to every page from 30 to 144 looking for dev responses, and I found none.
Please stop spamming, I dont want to sift to another 30 pages consisting of 90% useless ****posts just because i went to have dinner.
Thanks.
And CCP needs to respond NOW.
Don't worry, you won't see any responses (most likely 'till somone writes a blog or soemhting on the subject)... seems that they decided that "waiting for flame to go out" might actually work second time... idiots. |
Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
[4362]
Originally by: Norian Lonark
Originally by: Ancyker
So I was on massively and they had a link to the now infamous newsletter, which I thought I had already read on evenews24.
But it said something about "missing pages". This peaked my interest so I downloaded it to compare to the first one. There are actually 20 pages in total in the original. It's pretty much the same thing, it appears the pages themselves were not edited, but pages were removed which dropped the context of the remaining pages. So while I'm still upset at those individuals my anger towards CCP as a whole has diminished.
The most notable line is:
DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this magazine do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confidential internal information. Please respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.
Though it still upsets me that certain individuals at CCP think as outlined in the PDF, I do feel a little better with that simple paragraph. It definitely opens the door for them to fix it, where before I didn't see a chance in hell of that happening.
Compare them for yourself:
EVENews24.com Version
Original Version
The tldr difference is basically this is just asking people within CCP their opinions on the matter and doesn't actually represent any actual plans. I still want confirmation in writing and signed by the CEO himself before I believe anything that CCP says, but I'm a bit less ragequit-y now.
While this doesn't restore my trust/faith in CCP, it damages what little I had to start with in evenews24. Ok, well, I never actually trusted evenews24 at all, but now I definitely won't ever trust them :P
That is fair enough but surely it would have been easier for them to respond if this is the case. I really am surprised and disappointed that we still have no real response on this issue and our concerns.
Indeed. They are handling it very badly, but at least we can take some (just a tiny bit) of comfort it knowing it's not policy. At least, it's not policy yet. Lets hope this string of events prevents it from ever becoming policy.
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Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
[4363]
Is this thread losing momentum?
Noooo....
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Eladaris
Amarr
Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
[4364]
Originally by: Lucilla Giulia
Originally by: Eladaris
SWG's NGE might have hurt Sony Online... but they're very much stil around and kicking as a company.
CCP is not Sony (right?)
Maybe they're hoping if Eve dies before WoD and Dust launches they can make a new version of Hµttuspil? Their first board game that helped them finance Eve 
That's VERY true, but it was the earlier points in my post I was referring to. CCP can't exactly back out of the AUR issue (they've already stated they will not). They've sold the notion to their investors. This isn't something new to the company that can be backed out of.
I for one would LOVE to be proven wrong on this matter. A CCP Dev Blog talking about how they intend to spent the next six weeks removing every bit of AUR code from the game would be lovely... but it's not going to happen.
AUR is the wave of the future. The question becomes, can the wave of furor get them to put the breaks on selling us removed features (unlimited fittings) for cash.
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Carmine Lady
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
[4365]
Originally by: Tak149
Originally by: Carmine Lady
Originally by: Templar Dane
FREE HELICITY |
SolusLunes
Caldari
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
[4366]
I was playing World of Tanks and I took a shot to the fuel tank, setting my tank on fire. I then died in a fire. I was then subsequently banned by CCP.
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R3aliti
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
[4367]
Performance and hardware
Does Nvidia even offer a high end AGP card. From what I have seen they have ended production of any AGP cards. So how are we to upgrade, other than buy a whole new system. Not this week.
R3 
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:46:00 -
[4368]
Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 24/06/2011 15:46:47
Originally by: Ranka Mei
I thought we were gonna get an official reply today?
They are trying to figure out how to say Dust514 not-vanity micro-transactions, which will impact Eve, are actually vanity items in Eve. That we can all be assured that any previous lies about MTs, fixing bugs, so on and sadly so forth, were just drafts that happened to be compiled and distributed as content.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ |
Zephy Russ
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:46:00 -
[4369]
Well, I will admit the missing pages make me feel somewhat better about the whole situation, but it doesn't change the overall discontent I'm feeling. Still, it's a start, I guess.
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Yoruichi kun
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:46:00 -
[4370]
Originally by: Da Gooch
Can all the idiots supporting any form of boost to the sandbox through MT's shut the hell up now, you are not helping @ all, now gtfo out of this thread.
um.... no!
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr
Iure Divino
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 -
[4371]
Originally by: Rail Gun
No need to apologize, ewerything went better than expected. We are busy playing eve enyway so take all the time you need to give us feedback. Some people are just slightly overreacting but they will cool down eventually.
I also like to thank CCP for one of the best expansions in long time.
You bought a ****ing monocle. Somebody pod this idiot.
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Marcus Vorenius
Instant Annihilation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 -
[4372]
Originally by: Ancyker
So I was on massively and they had a link to the now infamous newsletter, which I thought I had already read on evenews24.
But it said something about "missing pages". This peaked my interest so I downloaded it to compare to the first one. There are actually 20 pages in total in the original. It's pretty much the same thing, it appears the pages themselves were not edited, but pages were removed which dropped the context of the remaining pages. So while I'm still upset at those individuals my anger towards CCP as a whole has diminished.
The most notable line is:
DISCLAIMER: The views put forward in this magazine do not reflect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confidential internal information. Please respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.
Though it still upsets me that certain individuals at CCP think as outlined in the PDF, I do feel a little better with that simple paragraph. It definitely opens the door for them to fix it, where before I didn't see a chance in hell of that happening.
Compare them for yourself:
EVENews24.com Version
Original Version
The tldr difference is basically this is just asking people within CCP their opinions on the matter and doesn't actually represent any actual plans. I still want confirmation in writing and signed by the CEO himself before I believe anything that CCP says, but I'm a bit less ragequit-y now.
While this doesn't restore my trust/faith in CCP, it damages what little I had to start with in evenews24. Ok, well, I never actually trusted evenews24 at all, but now I definitely won't ever trust them :P
you could have saved some time by just reading the links in the second post in this thread - CCP Pann has confirmed the newsletter. FFS browse a little before posting.
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Jeffor
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 -
[4373]
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
Very well written!
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 -
[4374]
Originally by: R3aliti
Performance and hardware
Does Nvidia even offer a high end AGP card. From what I have seen they have ended production of any AGP cards. So how are we to upgrade, other than buy a whole new system. Not this week.
R3
Does anyone actually produce even mid-end AGP card... I mean really just change your MB for PCI-E x16 with same CPU socket and same memory types.. you spent like 10-20 bugs on it at top and PCI-E graph card for another 20-50 and you are free to go...
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 -
[4375]
Originally by: Aganola
Originally by: Erinni Tisifone
EVE TRANQUILITY STATS....just look at the "ALL TIME DAILY AVERAGE"
the stat is in reverse...
I was going to say... I can't remember the last time I saw less than 30k people on Tranquility.
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"When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object |
Haunting Widow
Wormhole Engineers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 -
[4376]
Originally by: Rail Gun
No need to apologize, ewerything went better than expected. We are busy playing eve enyway so take all the time you need to give us feedback. Some people are just slightly overreacting but they will cool down eventually.
I also like to thank CCP for one of the best expansions in long time.
You must be kidding.. he's kidding right? Someone tell me he's kidding.
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 -
[4377]
Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Da Gooch
Can all the idiots supporting any form of boost to the sandbox through MT's shut the hell up now, you are not helping @ all, now gtfo out of this thread.
Just because someone got different opinion ? Really ??
Well you can try to explain why. Instead of it. It would be actually far more productive.
What is there to explain? i see very very stupid people saying well if they introduced +6 implants for $50 i wouldnt mind, or if they introduce better faction ammo for a small fee i wouldnt mind.. Fact is let ANYTHING into the sandbox that boosts performance and they will eventually add more, better boosts, soon it will be buy skillpoints and then eve dies.
Common sense chap common ****ing sense.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:48:00 -
[4378]
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 15:47:54
Is Eve dead yet?
Have they told us the bad news yet?
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Fern Dolakar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:48:00 -
[4379]
im going to go get perpetuum, its like eve apparently only with giant mecha robats
SMASH STOMP STAMP
FIRE ZE LAZOR
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Spice Redbone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:48:00 -
[4380]
First I want to address what exactly it is that CCP sells. There are two things as I see it.
1. Access to your servers.
2. In game currency.
Up untill the introduction of plex we in the community frowned upon the isk sellers and considered anyone who purchased isk as A worthless scrub. The plex system was represented as A way of combating the outside isk sellers so we accepted it. I contend that it has been A total failure.
Instead of ridding us of Isk sellers It has turned CCP into an isk selling monopoly and introduced microtransactions to the game. CCP has become akin to the lead character in the U.S. TV series "Breaking Bad".
In my opinion the only way CCP can avert this train wreak is to re-embrace thier original vision of A game where players Have to earn thier way via in game effort.
I know I am going to be flamed but here are my recomendations.
1. Eliminate or limit purchase of plex to one per account per month.
2. Make NEX products In station only. player created and let demand set value.
3. Concentrate on providing the best game experience possible instead of on the bottom line.
I believe that if you provide the game we have all loved for these past years and keep improving it you will continue to make good money But if you go down the path your on you will end up losing in the long run.
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