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Fayah Aurilen	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:55:00 - [5341] Edited by: Fayah Aurilen on 24/06/2011 18:55:59 whelp this thread is dying, I just pressed F5 and there were no new posts.... EDIT: ah, there they are
Malachi256	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:56:00 - [5342] If you can't get in to Jita, orbit the gates leading to it. Fill up those systems. Anyone who thinks the current active player numbers mean anything are clueless. Consequences of this will show up in weeks/months, not right now.
Android Mindslave Gallente Mindworks	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:56:00 - [5343] Originally by: The Mittani I'm late to the threadnaught because I was out drinking last night and then sleeping it off. Whoops. Points: Making martyrs out of Helicity and Liang is an act of comic incompetence, mid-PR-disaster. Greed is Good is a typical example of CCP's absolutely awful messaging. The contents itself are fairly innocuous; the one guy mentioning selling ammo is just some mook, not a producer of consequence. All the same, they might as well have had an internal newsletter called "I WANT TO **** MY CUSTOMERS" as far as the messaging impact is concerned. The timing of GiG leaking with the NeX opening is masterful on the part of the leakers and awful for CCP. I don't care about NeX prices. They can charge hundreds of dollars for sparkleponies and monocles and I don't give a rat's ass - I'm here for the spaceships. My concerns are keeping microtransactions away from the combat gameplay and fighting for balance and an improved spaceship-on-spaceship experience. Lag, supercapital imbalance, iterative ship balance, all of these things matter far more to me than a store with clothes for a space barbie. The problem with this is that you shouldn't compartmentalize things. CCP is taking subscription money to finance the development of monocles that they then turn around and sell for cash at best, or take that subscription money and funnel it to other non-EVE projects. This would be fine*, except for the fact that they are not maintaining their core game.
Thevani Khashour	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:56:00 - [5344] Originally by: Achmebenzadream BTW Jita's dropping back to 2k rapidly Dropping because people are fleeing the lag, not because there are less protesters. Soon, it might be ALL protesters. CCP, this is what happens when you poke a hornets' nest with a stick.
Mehrdad Kor-Azor Amarr Iure Divino	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:56:00 - [5345] Jita has been locked, means we're winning. Cutting the heart out of hisec...a beautiful thing.
Tea Ester Elliot	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:56:00 - [5346] Rabble, rabble, rabble. Where's the great damage control poast?
Pure Tabasco	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:56:00 - [5347] Originally by: The Mittani I'm late to the threadnaught because I was out drinking last night and then sleeping it off. Whoops. Points: Making martyrs out of Helicity and Liang is an act of comic incompetence, mid-PR-disaster. Greed is Good is a typical example of CCP's absolutely awful messaging. The contents itself are fairly innocuous; the one guy mentioning selling ammo is just some mook, not a producer of consequence. All the same, they might as well have had an internal newsletter called "I WANT TO **** MY CUSTOMERS" as far as the messaging impact is concerned. The timing of GiG leaking with the NeX opening is masterful on the part of the leakers and awful for CCP. *I don't care about NeX prices. They can charge hundreds of dollars for sparkleponies and monocles and I don't give a rat's ass - I'm here for the spaceships. My concerns are keeping microtransactions away from the combat gameplay and fighting for balance and an improved spaceship-on-spaceship experience. Lag, supercapital imbalance, iterative ship balance, all of these things matter far more to me than a store with clothes for a space barbie. BUMP
San Chrila	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:56:00 - [5348] Join the Protest in jita! http://de.justin.tv/deamosseraph#/w/1380742320 J
Joni Festus	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:56:00 - [5349] THIS WILL NOT GO AWAY. YOU ARE RUINING THE GAME
Lecherito	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:58:00 - [5350] I've cancelled all my accounts but one, which I'm going to keep subscribed via plex until those funds are gone. CCP really has screwed the pooch, and has done so in the most condescending, disrespectful way imaginable. Have a swell time with your Twilight/WoW-hybrid ode to a type of game that no one wants to play anymore; I am certain that we will have the last laugh. We hardly knew ye', EvE. Goodbye. -L

Manc	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:58:00 - [5351] I'm just here to contribute my whine to this thread. I'm personally extremely disappointed with CCP and the roll out of Incarna 1.0. -CQ is unimpressive and laggy. Having the solitary Minmatar as my station background is pretty pathetic. Having only 1 race's Quarters ready for launch is also a pretty disappointing fact. Forcing us to use it is even worse. -NeX prices are just insulting. I have no further comment there. -Quad-Clienting with CQ enabled is impossible. I feel that such a massive performance hit for such flimsy additional content is not warranted. -The new guns are nice, but not nice enough to make-up for the rest of it. Everyone else has made some valid arguments and replied with similar responses as to what I would have mustered. So I'm really just here to support this thread. Incarna was a lot of hard work for many people, it costed a ton of cash, it consumed many resources at CCP, but is was it really worth it? Was it a step in the right direction? Why is the majority community up in arms about these changes? Change is good and necessary and indeed it is scary for it to happen so quickly... but perhaps there is more to the mass recoil than just the fear of change. A fan losing faith, Manc
Malachi256	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:58:00 - [5352] Keep trying to get into Jita. Even if they cap the number of pilots, if they're all protesters, trade will grind to a halt.
Dragan Moonraker Rheinbraun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:59:00 - [5353] Originally by: Anterios The problem is not with the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market. But with tha fact it existes at all, MT has NO place in a subscription game periord. And Aurum is completly un-wanted, ISK can do everything Aurum can but better and without issue. I agree with statement whole-heartedly. Of all the games it sickens me to see micro-transactions in, it's EVE. And the direction they are apparently headed with them is even worse (as per newsletter). Be honest with your customers at the very least, this is BS.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:59:00 - [5354] Edited by: ACY GTMI on 24/06/2011 19:01:06 Originally by: Fayah Aurilen Edited by: Fayah Aurilen on 24/06/2011 18:55:59 whelp this thread is dying, I just pressed F5 and there were no new posts.... EDIT: ah, there they are I think all of the issues have been covered in a t least one of the posts above, and there is no response. It's kind of like Khaddafy deciding not to have his troops shoot at protesters. The problems remain, but there isn't anything else obvious to do about them. Edit: There are a number of people trying to push the issue in every way they can think of. CCP's wall of silence is one possible response, but I think it may be their worst option.
Shadow Lights Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:59:00 - [5355] Gates closed and ppl being kicked in Jita you buy the ticket, you take the ride
Icanti	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:59:00 - [5356] Adding my name to the list of folk who have completely lost faith in CCP. Charge us extra to store more than 50 fittings? You're having a laugh aren't you? The whole limited to 50 fittings thing, and FORCING us to store them on the server was one thing, but this is just completely taking the mickey. Get a grip guys. How about just concentrate on making this game great? Give us more content, improve the quality of the current content, and people will flock to Eve. However perhaps after the last few days you'll be more worried about keeping your current subscribers, rather than building on them. Just as an example of one of the great genius ideas you guys came up with. Wormholes, right there, that was genius. Opening up completely new content and also offering a way to quickly move around the Eve world, but not in a game breaking way. Game changing, but not game breaking. Perhaps you could have added MT to wormholes, 3500 Aurum per jump. Sounds daft doesn't it? Welcome to our world.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:59:00 - [5357] If Jita is full, well I'm close to Rens.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:00:00 - [5358] Last hulkageddon I wanted to do a Haulergeddon and shut down Jita :) Seems this is happening now lol A dream come true!
DRACOeinstein	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:00:00 - [5359] sorry CCP deletes Posts? This Thread was over 180 pages long some Minutes ago. That Can't be True?!?!?!?
Kewso	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:00:00 - [5360] This thread needs more r@ygold,hussyfan,& kingpass make it so! We need more than vanity items for AUR!

Fr3aKy Mc'Shots	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:00:00 - [5361] im one of those persons who sits and waits patiently to see what EVE admins are doing and i give them a lot of time. if they still head on to failure then im gonna speak my mind . the last update failed. giving a lot of glitches and bugs. but they corrected the big and worst ones within 24 hours after the update. give them credit for what they do. or trying to do and have more patience plz . they implanted A LOT of updates in the last 7 years and they are doing a great job . ok the CQ is not something i am looking for in EVE . because EVE is about the ships and space and many other things . the more important things then to see a char in 3d and run arround in a small space . and eating up everybodies grafic cards, dispite the people like me with the best of the best grafic cards available. ( still waiting on cyborg tech cards LOL ) anyways . awesome job in the past years EVE admins and staff . sadly the last update wasnt a succes YET... we all await your further updating and finetuning this new update and the goal you all want to reach . sincerly yours Fr3aKy Mc'Shots old tool player in a new jacket from 2006 thumbs up to EVE management
Rui Morin	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:00:00 - [5362] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Bagehi Originally by: The Mittani I'm late to the threadnaught because I was out drinking last night and then sleeping it off. Whoops. Points: Making martyrs out of Helicity and Liang is an act of comic incompetence, mid-PR-disaster. Greed is Good is a typical example of CCP's absolutely awful messaging. The contents itself are fairly innocuous; the one guy mentioning selling ammo is just some mook, not a producer of consequence. All the same, they might as well have had an internal newsletter called "I WANT TO **** MY CUSTOMERS" as far as the messaging impact is concerned. The timing of GiG leaking with the NeX opening is masterful on the part of the leakers and awful for CCP. *I don't care about NeX prices. They can charge hundreds of dollars for sparkleponies and monocles and I don't give a rat's ass - I'm here for the spaceships. My concerns are keeping microtransactions away from the combat gameplay and fighting for balance and an improved spaceship-on-spaceship experience. Lag, supercapital imbalance, iterative ship balance, all of these things matter far more to me than a store with clothes for a space barbie. The prices on the NEX is what worries me. It gives the strong impression that the people making decisions have a disconnect with reality. I don't see anything I would pay money for, maybe there would be some kind of vanity item at some price point that I would think "meh, why not" at some point, but there is a complete disconnect with reality when CCP makes a pixel shirt that costs more than a RL shirt. I just can't bring myself to give a crap about vanity items. People pay almost a thousand bucks to get a special tiger mount in WoW. I care about spaceships, since this is a spaceship game, not a dress-up game. They could literally charge 5000 bucks for a monocle and I wouldn't lift a finger to stop them. vOv For me, the long knives come out if they start trying to mess with the gameplay itself with micros. Gold ammo, ships that are different from existing ships statswise, etc. I too care nothing for the vanity items, however the issue I think was being expressed was that if they can get vanity item pricing that wrong how can we have faith in CCP having any business intelligence and making a similar f u c k up over something that actually is important (i.e. the space stuff).
Hiram Alexander Caldari The Night Crew	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:01:00 - [5363] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Bagehi Originally by: The Mittani I'm late to the threadnaught because I was out drinking last night and then sleeping it off. Whoops. Points: Making martyrs out of Helicity and Liang is an act of comic incompetence, mid-PR-disaster. Greed is Good is a typical example of CCP's absolutely awful messaging. The contents itself are fairly innocuous; the one guy mentioning selling ammo is just some mook, not a producer of consequence. All the same, they might as well have had an internal newsletter called "I WANT TO **** MY CUSTOMERS" as far as the messaging impact is concerned. The timing of GiG leaking with the NeX opening is masterful on the part of the leakers and awful for CCP. *I don't care about NeX prices. They can charge hundreds of dollars for sparkleponies and monocles and I don't give a rat's ass - I'm here for the spaceships. My concerns are keeping microtransactions away from the combat gameplay and fighting for balance and an improved spaceship-on-spaceship experience. Lag, supercapital imbalance, iterative ship balance, all of these things matter far more to me than a store with clothes for a space barbie. The prices on the NEX is what worries me. It gives the strong impression that the people making decisions have a disconnect with reality. I don't see anything I would pay money for, maybe there would be some kind of vanity item at some price point that I would think "meh, why not" at some point, but there is a complete disconnect with reality when CCP makes a pixel shirt that costs more than a RL shirt. I just can't bring myself to give a crap about vanity items. People pay almost a thousand bucks to get a special tiger mount in WoW. I care about spaceships, since this is a spaceship game, not a dress-up game. They could literally charge 5000 bucks for a monocle and I wouldn't lift a finger to stop them. vOv For me, the long knives come out if they start trying to mess with the gameplay itself with micros. Gold ammo, ships that are different from existing ships statswise, etc. Well, Mittens, seeing as there's no feedback from anywhere else, and you don't want MT's for a PVP benifit - do you have any info on this.... Is it seriously on the table, and will it cost?
Ja Boi Geologic Explorations	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:01:00 - [5364] The movie ran through me The glamour subdue me The tabloid untie me I'm empty please fill me Mister anchor assure me That Baghdad is burning Your voice it is so soothing That cunning mantra of killing I need you my witness To dress this up so bloodless To numb me and purge me now Of thoughts of blaming you Yes the car is our wheelchair My witness your coughing Oily silence mocks the legless Ones who travel now in coffins On the corner The jury's sleepless We found your weakness And it's right outside our door Now testify Now testify It's right outside our door Now testify Yes testify It's right outside our door With precision you feed me My witness I'm hungry Your temple it calms me So I can carry on My slaving sweating the skin right off my bones On a bed of fire I'm choking on the smoke that fills my home The wrecking ball rushing Witness your blushing The pipeline is gushing While here we lie in tombs While on the corner The jury's sleepless We found your weakness And it's right outside your door Now testify Yeah testify It's right outside our door Now testify Now testify It's right outside our door Mass graves for the pump and the price is set Mass graves for the pump and the price is set Mass graves for the pump and the price is set Mass graves for the pump and the price is set Who controls the past now controls the future Who controls the present now controls the past Who controls the past now controls the future Who controls the present now? Now testify Testify It's right outside our door Now testify Testify It's right outside our door
Amar Azaph	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:01:00 - [5365] Indian TV shot of fights over AUR Can't believe that AUR prices have hit India so badly!!- a must watch.. Sent from a campfire using smoke signals.
Novak Sarin	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:01:00 - [5366] What CCP needs to understand is that many of us chose to play EVE Online BECAUSE CCP was DIFFERENT from the other mainstream blizzard-like bull** filled with vanity items, microtransactions, controlled economies and greedy mindsets... WHY DO YOU WANNA BE BLIZZARD IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING MUCH MORE UNIQUE AND AMAZING ALREADY GOING ON? Do you not understand that EVE is the ALTERNATIVE to that model? "You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!" ―Obi-Wan Kenobi**
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:01:00 - [5367] Yes... first fallout are the ones who read news, big bang comes little later when crap hits tranq and average joe gets ****ed. ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :)
Pedro Carnicero Amarr Hartes Beton	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:02:00 - [5368] Edited by: Pedro Carnicero on 24/06/2011 19:04:03 LOL: Originally by: CCP Fallout Originally by: Aineko Macx It's working! No, it's not. It's a waste of my time, which I could be spent gathering more feedback and talking with people making sure the player's perspective is being shared with people higher up the ladder, I'm wasting time with extremely childish antics that get no one anywhere. Really, this needs to stop. C'mon, bring more gasoline! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536909&page=2#36
Vic Tenrach Minmatar Fuer Grissas ost Drauka	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:02:00 - [5369] Edited by: Vic Tenrach on 24/06/2011 19:24:02 Originally by: CCP Pann Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29 As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you. If youÆve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it. Humbly yours, ~P~ *edited to fix a "doh!" typo My #1 concern: The existence of AUR in the first place. Why introduce a new currency? What was wrong with ISK? You can only obtain it by converting PLEX, which means either forking over more ISK for a pair of pants than it costs for a Battleship or by paying real money for it. The "leak" on EVE24 suggests that AUR will be able to buy more than just fashion items, it suggests being able to but GAME CHANGING items. This makes me very uneasy. My only quesiton is: why do we need AUR? Edit: Tippia, thanks for this: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html It says everything that needs to be said!
Shandir Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:03:00 - [5370] Originally by: Pakokkie plz, let this go trough as planned. If I pop a pod from a pilot with a monocle it will be much more fun. You are aware that they made MT items invulnerable now, right? You cannot destroy them - they reappear wherever your clone is. This is not EVE. -



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We need more than vanity items for AUR!