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Mittava Ankara Jorma	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:23:00 - [5461] I came to this topic for parlay. Where is it? Also, CCP, your CCP Pann who oversees PR and Community teams promised us some answers today. I have been kinda waiting for them. A statement of fact: If micro transactions will at any time effect any ingame systems other than so called vanity items I will cancel all six of my accounts. Not out of anger, but out of not wanting to pay to play something that needs not playing. The part about the pamphlet about friendship time and money is so out of clues I didn't even laugh. Seriously. A hint: We play to spend our time with this hobby. We won't pay not to spend it and we won't also not pay if others can. How many vanity items will then be sold to a non-existant player base. Your CFO needs to be fired for incompetence. <- plain fact.
Telion Rethson	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:23:00 - [5462] As I type this, the numbers in Jita are at a little over 2000, with another several hundred waiting to get in. This should show you, CCP, that one hell of a lot of people are SERIOUSLY ****ed off at the fact you are even considering this - and the newsletter suggests your plans have gone past merely considering it. If you fail to take note of this, then you may as well simply close the server tomorrow, because what will happen is that Eve will be the next Star Wars Galaxies, where a very large chunk of the player-base simply leave because of the changes you make, and it will struggle to gain replacements for those players, probably never succeeding. In case you are so incompetent I have to even point this out to you, if you fail to get those replacements, CCP fails to make money, regardless of whether you have microtransactions or not.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:23:00 - [5463] Originally by: saltrock0000 question for everyone,., CAN I HAZ YOUR STUFFZ????? I have none left, I bought a monocle
Alexingeras	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:24:00 - [5464] Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: Tron Flux Originally by: Kristina Vanszar Short Report about the Protest Jita is closed down noone can enter it. PEAK 2250 People in Jita, Pilots staging in HEK and neighboring systems. greetings from the frontline of Mt-war Hug the gates next door. 2250? That's it? Maybe 5% of the eve subscriber base. Maybe. Good luck with that protest. They've locked the gates the rest of us can't get in....
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:24:00 - [5465] Originally by: Kary Tamona I've lost my faith in CCP. The more you delay an answer the harder is gonna be to convince me you can be trusted. Unless you... - Make WiS a permanently optional feature. - CCP's CEO gives his word that only vanity items will be sold on the virtual shops, ever. - CCP's CEO promises that at any one time at least half of the techs will work on improving eve's gameplay. This does not include WiS or virtual shops. It is Eve players who pay your bills, it is only fair that at least half of the resources WE PAY FOR are devoted to the game WE PAY TO PLAY. If you want to change our game, fine, let us know and we'll go to another place, but at least have the decency to tell us in the face. No more lying, no more deep throating us with half finished code meant for other projects. We pay to fly ships, not to beta test Dust's virtual shop or vampire clothing. I think this gets to the heart of many of our feelings. It's not so much that we even mind having crap betaTested in Eve! They have the opportunity to have the best of both worlds. They can do microT, non sub based game with their vampires, they can test the walking around graphics in eve and provide us with a richer game. But they seem to want to go full ******. Having a successful game isn't enough, THEY WANT MORE, MORE MONEY, NEVER STOP. Even if they destroy the very company they've spent a decade building. Because that's all the investors want. More more more. Don't stop for nuthin. If you fail, oh well, on to the next game that has built a name for itself they can suck dry. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Xavier Enlace	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:25:00 - [5466] EVE Online is a game where we fly, combat and do different things with ships on space. Why do you want to change it? I play EVE cause is a great game where his peculiarity is I can do things with SHIPS. If I want to play with a character that walks, runs, sits and that things I would have an account in WOW or play in Sims 3, Second Life, hello kitty online and that kind of games... Why do you want to set Characters and that stuff into station when the really nice of EVE is OUTSIDE? Why dont you invest the financial you get into necessary things as fixing bugs, improving the large fleet battles (lag), changing the sovereignty mechanism, etc.? I don't need see my character running, I don't need change his clothes and his hair/make-up... If I want it, I buy a barbie or go to play sims... You are killing the esence of EVE and I feel defrauded cause im paying for a game that don't improve those important things for me and add new different things which ruin the game. Now you introduce Incarna... and there is a character walking... but my PC is hottest than before and I dont know what ship I am... and have to press more buttons to open my cargohold/dronebay. I don't have any reference about what ship my character is sitting and only have a sh****tty sad door... That's incredible... PS: I won't ask about AUR... but that a really awful thing...
Rer Eirikr Gallente Clearly Compensating Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:25:00 - [5467] I don't even know what to say anymore.
He11sing	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:25:00 - [5468] Hope eve dies and ccp gose broke.
Milkmy Sausage	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:25:00 - [5469] Edited by: Milkmy Sausage on 24/06/2011 19:26:08 Originally by: Brokers Clone To all Corp Officers - Do CCP a favor, Tell ass of your corp mates... If you see them undock in a ship, or appear on the Forums, wearing a monacle(or anything else identifiable as a novelty item), they will be ejected from the corp. CCP MIGHT get the message if no one who really PLAYS the game is buying any of this stuff I still maintian novelty items are fine, it's AUR for items affecting gameplay I have an issue with. The way I see it novelty items will help gain CCP more money... I have no issue with that if 1)people are stupid enough to buy them 2)it means more resource for CCP to spend on eve Although I would like the vanity items to appear in pod wrecks when people die (and they lose them obviously)
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:26:00 - [5470] Originally by: Tamahra Originally by: CCP Pann As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. lol i like how he missed the leaked document in his speech. Here Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it. Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. This signature is useless, but it is red.

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:26:00 - [5471] Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 19:28:15 ALL GO TO RENS!!!!! GANKFEST IN RENS!! HURRY
G0rdon Gekko	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:26:00 - [5472] Originally by: Marlona Sky CCP, You do realize that Gordon Gekko goes to prison at the end of the movie for his whole 'Greed is good' thing right? Hope I didn't spoil Wall Street for people but needed to point that out. True, but I was rich enough to afford cryogenesis, and that's why I'm still around now. Guess I got the last laugh, huh, so greed really IS good.
Lord Wiggin Gallente Furian Necromongers	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:26:00 - [5473] Rumor has it they are in talks with Ex-congressman Weiner. They think he can put a better spin on things..... - 3 accounts, not waiting for the spin to hit... "The only rules in war are those that you can force upon your enemy."
Kristina Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:26:00 - [5474] Originally by: Tron Flux Originally by: Kristina Vanszar Short Report about the Protest Jita is closed down noone can enter it. PEAK 2250 People in Jita, Pilots staging in HEK and neighboring systems. greetings from the frontline of Mt-war 2250? That's it? Maybe 5% of the eve subscriber base. Maybe. Good luck with that protest. 2250 IN Jita, and much more in surrounding systems and other trade hubs.
Raven BlackSoul	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:27:00 - [5475] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: saltrock0000 I am writing this on my main character as i want people to know who has this opinion. Very quickly scanned a few posts here, and a big grief people have is load on your computer, which im assuming means your all running 386's back from the feking 1990's.... BUY A NEW COMPUTER if your a gamer, and dont ask a buisness who is joining the 20th century with graphics to stay in the dark ages jsut because your a cheap ass! If the game didnt upgrade and start looking better as other games progress they would slowly loose custom and the game would die, you'd jsut have the few cheapasses left who cannot stay up to date with new games! The price of aurum is high... is someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy it?! I mean cmon its decorative. GROW UP PEOPLE! The grief about the captains quaters.... WTF is wrong with it? Its a STEP towards walking in stations. Would you enter a marathon before you could walk?! Use common sense people PDF -> I run 3 toons on 2 computers, one a quad core that seems to handle the load decently but still has issues and a dual core that seems to struggle quite a bit and this is with one character running. I whiped my computers in decenber and reinstalled the operating system and have kept the registries and what not clean of crap. In reality an old 386 dx2 40 (which was the first computer i ever built back in the early 90's would not run eve. so lets not exagerate it) I love the game and I am a disabled veteran who lives on a very limited income. I don't have the real life cash to go out and buy the coolest hottest gaming computer in the land so i build what i can and upgrade when i can. In today's economy i am probably better than most which is scary. There are many who have no job and are facing dire circumstances and extreme financial struggle and this is their escape from reality and sense of sanity even if it is virtual. Now for some its easy to scream what are you whining about and for others it is all they can do to express their anger with forceful words and beat up on CCP. The real point I am trying to get at is that the majority of the population are struggling in one way or another to keep playing a game that they really enjoy. This particular release, while sounding cool in theory had some negative affects for quite a few of the underprivelaged in society. Plex markets went through the roof for items that were too expensive an purchasable only by means of real world cash. This excluded a decent portion of people. The system tax on running the game also increased significantly for no other reason other than to walk around in a captains quarters. I miss the days already of spinning my ship around in a station and getting dizzy when i was thinking of what to do next. New turrets and affects are actually cool, but at what point did this increase the cpu load and was it really needed when there are other problems that have been around for quite a while that really needed adressing first. A simple we messed up big time and we promise to make it right followed up by action to make it right would be good enough for me. CCP will learn from this and we will all learn from this some how as well. Keep voicing your discontent or happiness but please do so in a constructive manner that does not single out a particular group of people within our community that enjoy the game for one reason or the other yet do not have the resources to keep up with having the latest and greatest of everything so suck it up. Thanks for taking the time to read this post.
Blyghme Gallente Strohl Munitions	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:27:00 - [5476] Originally by: CCP Pann Posted - 24/06/2011 00:30:00 Like I said, I wonÆt be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise weÆll start getting some info out tomorrow. Why do I smell a weasel here? Oh, right... Pann now works in PR... Notice the date on the original post - 30 minutes into today. Does anyone other than me think that was not a coincidence? Pann, we don't want weaselspeak. Give us the answers that we were promised.
Wordle	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:28:00 - [5477] CCP is following Activision's/Valve's business model. I'm pretty new to this game myself and was just getting "into" it but I've just canceled my account. It's a shame that most good developers go down this road and wind up as ****.
Worzel Bummage	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:28:00 - [5478] TLDR: The effect Incarna has on my GPU fan is annoying enough for me to disable Incarna. My problem is the definition of "ok performance". Incarna run's fine for me, but it maxes out my GPU - causing the fan to crank right up. It's a 5870 Vapor-X, which is one of the quieter cards you can get, I'm used to it being silent when playing EVE.
Bloodpetal Mimidae Risk Solutions	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:28:00 - [5479] CCP Pann, sorry, someone brought th pitchforks, the torches and the mega-ton weaponry out now. It's all going down in Jita. We tried to hold it back, but now it's obviously clearly gone on for too long. We Want The Wallet Back On The Left Put My Wallet Amount Back On The Left
Reed Tiburon Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:28:00 - [5480] Originally by: Lord Wiggin - 3 accounts, not waiting for the spin to hit... Probably for the best. I'm sick of this ****. --- R.I.P. EVE ONLINE [img]ht

Crye MultiCam	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:29:00 - [5481] Originally by: Da Gooch Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items? !!
Arrs Grazznic Poena Executive Solutions	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:29:00 - [5482] Originally by: The Mittani I'm late to the threadnaught because I was out drinking last night and then sleeping it off. Whoops. Points: Making martyrs out of Helicity and Liang is an act of comic incompetence, mid-PR-disaster. Greed is Good is a typical example of CCP's absolutely awful messaging. The contents itself are fairly innocuous; the one guy mentioning selling ammo is just some mook, not a producer of consequence. All the same, they might as well have had an internal newsletter called "I WANT TO **** MY CUSTOMERS" as far as the messaging impact is concerned. The timing of GiG leaking with the NeX opening is masterful on the part of the leakers and awful for CCP. *I don't care about NeX prices. They can charge hundreds of dollars for sparkleponies and monocles and I don't give a rat's ass - I'm here for the spaceships. My concerns are keeping microtransactions away from the combat gameplay and fighting for balance and an improved spaceship-on-spaceship experience. Lag, supercapital imbalance, iterative ship balance, all of these things matter far more to me than a store with clothes for a space barbie. Blimey, I never thought I'd agree with Mittens, but this man speaks truth!
Natalie Cerulean Caldari Arekin Piggy Bank Arekin Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:29:00 - [5483] Edited by: Natalie Cerulean on 24/06/2011 19:30:54 ¦
Alara IonStorm	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:30:00 - [5484] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 24/06/2011 19:31:08 Perimiter 549, It is so crowded at the gate. O.o Edit: Theres like 20 Freighters here, when they get back from being AFK this is gonna be a big WTF Moment.
Borkers	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:30:00 - [5485] The current MT/NEX situation doesn't make me angry. It's just not very interesting. Maybe it will be interesting when pilots can interact with each other. The high cost of items is weird but harmless; it doesn't matter whether I'm not paying $60 or not paying $2. I think it's a viable idea that just needs to be tuned. MT for purely vanity items is harmless, has worked fine in other games, and will work for EVE. I know other players disagree with me on that, but I'm confident the economy and players can adapt and keep EVE fun. The potential for MT selling gameplay items does make me angry, for all the reasons others have cited. Please don't pursue this. It was one thing for CCP to become gold-sellers with PLEX, but at least every ISK was generated by player activity. Spawning gameplay items for cash will make EVE into a game I won't recognize. I make plenty of money IRL and could probably buy Death Stars and Silver Bullets or whatnot, but I play EVE because I like the struggle to get ahead in the player-driven economy. Instead of selling ships outright, consider extending vanity items to ships. Call them intellectual property licenses, the right to apply a paintjob or decal to a ship either once or for a limited time period. I'd probably pay some cash to put a big red stripe down the middle of my Viator, or a giant **** along the length of my Iteron V. It's the same concept as vanity items for pilots, but more relevant to internet spaceships, and if you must have high prices they will make more sense for ships. I know there are technical issues making ship mods difficult, but it has the advantage of not completely destroying the game. CQ makes me angry too. As cosmetic fluff, CQ is fine, and I understand the need to take incremental steps towards full Walking in Stations and pilot interaction. There is some amazing technology on display, and I look forward to seeing it mature. But as a UI, CQ is terrible. Everything takes more clicks, more time, and more hunting for controls. The high resource load used in CQ would be temporarily acceptable (it's stable on my systems, but noticeably taxing) if turning it off gave us something functional; instead, we get the insulting and useless and ugly doorway. CQ is also anti-immersive and will be until there is a manual "get out of pod" button. Borkers is an immortal demigod, who spends his eternity plugged into a galactic datastream, directing the industry of multiple worlds towards his personal gratification, and moving fortunes among the stars. His pod is his Heaven. Why is he getting out to watch TV in a gloomy dorm room every time he wants to drop off minerals?
Val Amora Minmatar Orcses and Goblinz	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:30:00 - [5486] You dun **ed up CCP. You dun ed up. REMOVE MT. FIX CQ. FIX FW. FIX CAPS. FIX THE **ING GAME. LISTEN TO US.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:30:00 - [5487] Originally by: Crye MultiCam Originally by: Da Gooch Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items? !! According to the latest rumour Ive just heard its worse. Much worse. This suckers going down. C. 'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011 (ಠ_O)
Kewso	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:31:00 - [5488] Originally by: Marlona Sky CCP, You do realize that Gordon Gekko goes to prison at the end of the movie for his whole 'Greed is good' thing right? Hope I didn't spoil Wall Street for people but needed to point that out. Watch part 2 moron, he gets out remakes his billions and ends with "Oh yes, Greed is Good!"
Telion Rethson	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:31:00 - [5489] Originally by: Tron Flux Originally by: Kristina Vanszar Short Report about the Protest Jita is closed down noone can enter it. PEAK 2250 People in Jita, Pilots staging in HEK and neighboring systems. greetings from the frontline of Mt-war 2250? That's it? Maybe 5% of the eve subscriber base. Maybe. Good luck with that protest. Studies have shown that any time anyone protests at something, on average, there's 23 that quietly cancel/don't buy/don't go back. So if 5% of the Eve subscriber base are actively protesting, that means 115% are ****ed off about this, going by these studies. Of course, that's not possible, so, for margin of error, let's round that down to 100%. CCP are screwed.
Sol Kal'orr	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:31:00 - [5490] Donations for retiries are always welcome.



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