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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 17:27:14
Originally by: Emissary Apollo *kiss kiss kiss*
I clicked Quote to reply but for some reason due to so much kissing noises in the quote the system removed it.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:29:00 -
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I hear CCP's main investors are in good standing with the Icelandic people.
I think they are rated at about -10.0 :)
Maybe they can buy back some standings with them for AUR
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Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:31:00 -
[12693]
CCP must pretty clear, if they want Microtransactions, make sweeping changes to EVE for Microtransactions, then make it Free-to-Play.
If they want to stick to Pay-to-Play, then no MT but for "vanity items".... But not MT + Pay-to-Play, most costumers aren't stupid, and being milked twice is just making a fool out of ourselves, its like being scammed..
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Emissary Apollo Back off the ledge guys! Eve online is a great "Game"! We're supposed to be having fun here, remember!? If you're raging this much, you need to check your priorities.
Why are you trying to burn down your own house! What are you hoping to gain...o.k you succeed and CCP goes under...great job! Eve is a game (that I love!!) and CCP is a business. People need to embrace the reality of those two things! They've got to grow to survive and I think Incarna and MT (Heavy on the micro!) will help.
But that me..
EA
I'm sure most of us just want to see EVE back into a better state (in my case post Apoc.) And CCP had plenty of chances of solving this but went with the mysteryous "I'm hinding a dagger to stab you in the back" approach.
So, if EVE died due to this unrest it would be a direct consequence of CCP's actions. If all the economic data is true then EVE's death has been at least 3 years in the making. The protest and lack of confidence would just be the final push off the ledge but Hilmar&co. walked all the way there by themselves. |
Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:35:00 -
[12695]
Edited by: Ciar Meara on 28/06/2011 17:36:59
Originally by: Tethys Atreides Ahem...
COOs statement.
So they won't talk to us but they will talk to some icelandic magazine. Don't they know things like that will leak in 15 seconds. How dumb are they? So far for having "no comments until the CSM"
Who was it again that suggested the "cease fire" cause CCP just broke it!
I personally just received the reply to my petition and my accounts are closed only thing to do is watch the subscription run out.
------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Joras Fett
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:36:00 -
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I think everyone's waiting for the CSM meeting Thursday and Friday. From the Dev blogs they said they won't be saying any more about it until then. I would like them to webcast it. That would be nice.
I'm a straight up cancel of my sub just because I can't afford to pay to win. I have lots of other things I could spend my time and money on and if CCP wants to be a cheap bastard and install MT's, well screw them.
I was super excited about EVE for years and this brick wall kills it for me. I'm not competing with little Johnny who gets mom or dad's credit card and buys a metric ****-ton of "gold ammo". No thanks...
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Koen Green
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:39:00 -
[12697]
CSM is vacant of people who have stood up against CCP in the past. The members who should be in CSM are not there anymore.
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Baaldor
Ascendent. Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:39:00 -
[12698]
Sitting back watching Nero (Hilmar) play his fiddle.
I am just going to kick back and watch the ****er burn to the ground.
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Juil
Gallente Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:44:00 -
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I wasn't going to post, but what the hell..
Dear Hilmar,
Please get off your high horse and come address the people who pay your salary yourself.. we don't want to wait until Friday/Saturday and your emergancy meeting with the CSM, we know that the CSM won't be listened to, your own internal leaked documents are rather bluntly showing us that, how about instead you turn on that lovely webcam of yours and actually record a message, one that address's the EVE COMMUNITY from the CEO.. I mean if the head of a major American Airline can do it to appologise for the actions of a Single Captain.. certainly you can do it not only to appologise for the way YOUR employee's have been acting over the past 7 days, but also for the way your company has outright lied to us.
Of course Hilmar I do not expect you to listen to this, once about 5 or so years ago you might have, you used to come in here and walk amongst us 'mortals' you used to care about what WE the players actually thought, not only of the game but of you and the company you helped form.. these days obviously your too busy hiding behind soundwave and the others to bother with us, too busy trying to work out how to make your global idea of 'milking every cent' from our pockets..
For several expansions now you've added half done features.. and we your player base the people who give you money so that you can pay your bills.. which in some respects means we are your stakeholders.. have put up with a product that we know is unfinished, we've contineud to pay at times in the hope.. that you will maybe fix it.. some of us even wanted Incarna, yes some of us did.. But in the past 7 days you've shown that we've been waiting and trusting in vain.
First you release Incarna and it's clear that once again it's an unfinished product, then you release a store front and your EMPLOYEE's have the nerve to try and say that VIRTUAL goods should be as expensive as real life items of the same type, forgetting that the virtual good is hardly costing you a cent past it's original creation as an asset and working on and off in the movie and gaming industry clothing takes at the most 24 man hours to create that's model, rig and texture.. even less if your using Zbrush.. and the anoying eye piece even less.. And then your Employee's have the balls to tell us we should be greatful to you? Then of course your internal stuff leaks and what do we hear.. nothing..
So for once Hilmar why don't you step out of your office and come talk to us, address the concerns in person do a video.. tell us why your breaking your mission statement, tell us why your breaking your trust with us.. tell us WHY YOU'VE LIED TO US, and most of all how about you and ALL OF CCP APPOLOGISE for the mess you've caused the TRUST you've broken.
Then maybe we can start addressing the problems starting with when features that should have been fixed long ago will be fixed, why your breaking your own game market system and everything else.. But really until you start speaking a lot of us ain't gonna trust the CSM or any of your Employee's any more.. it's obvious that the CSM is a joke and that anything from those you pay is likely not worth the virtual paper it's written on and might as well be used in a toilet.. because it might be being said, but it's obviously not meant.
- A disappointed and Sad Eve player Who will NEVER buy stuff of your store at the prices you have. - Juil Phoenix Industries
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Marrious
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: caldar ian time's are hard
and we are seeing it now with ccp
more politician the games developer
all this is doing is giving the community time to cool down before they tell us the truth.
and the truth is they want to milk us like moo cows for money.
And when that day comes, that day I can purchase that over powered 'golden ammo,' that shall be the day I unsubscribe for good.
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Mirand Mudge
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Teako LOL, nice read of the COO. Enjoy the bankruptcy ÇÇP. You deserve it fully!
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Swynet
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mirand Mudge
Originally by: Teako LOL, nice read of the COO. Enjoy the bankruptcy ÇÇP. You deserve it fully!
Blah blah blah blah...words !!
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Zhula Guixgrixks
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 28/06/2011 18:03:09
ÇÇP on course...of course :
mbl inteview
gl CSM, lol
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diaufop
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zen Sins Edited by: Zen Sins on 28/06/2011 17:09:32
Originally by: Miilla Short version: you are in no position to demand anything.
I realize that the CSM's bargaining position is weak.
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's completely weak.
If the CSM were to, for example, decide they were used as a PR stunt and that CCP will be rolling in pay-to-win against the player's wishes, all they'd really need to do is to post on the forums exactly that, publicly resign and unsubscribe from the game, and encourage everyone else to do so as well.
The CSM were largely voted in by their alliance blocs. Taking thousands more players with them when they go in addition to encouraging tens of thousands more to leave is a very clear threat to CCP - we've already seen that a mere 5K unsubs is enough to send CCP into panic mode, the threat of losing 10x that would put them into "****ting bricks" mode.
Not that I personally believe the CSM would even consider doing such a thing, the whole CSM is nothing but an egotrip anyway.
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F1F2F3
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:06:00 -
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kieron would have handled this better tbh
bring back kieron btw. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3... |
Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:07:00 -
[12706]
Edited by: Viking Sven on 28/06/2011 18:08:12
Originally by: diaufop If the CSM were to, for example, decide they were used as a PR stunt and that CCP will be rolling in pay-to-win against the player's wishes, all they'd really need to do is to post on the forums exactly that, publicly resign and unsubscribe from the game, and encourage everyone else to do so as well.
CSM are bound by a nondisclosure agreement. If they did this, the CSM could be legally held liable for any damages that resulted to CCP.
Hence everyone keeps saying the CSM ought not have the NDA... give us some ****ing transparency for once.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Viking Sven
CSM are bound by a nondisclosure agreement. If they did this, the CSM would be legally liable for any damages that resulted to CCP.
CCP should sue them selves perhaps.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Caladan Broood
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: diaufop If the CSM were to, for example, decide they were used as a PR stunt and that CCP will be rolling in pay-to-win against the player's wishes, all they'd really need to do is to post on the forums exactly that, publicly resign and unsubscribe from the game, and encourage everyone else to do so as well.
CSM are bound by a nondisclosure agreement. If they did this, the CSM would be legally liable for any damages that resulted to CCP.
Hence everyone keeps saying the CSM ought not have the NDA... give us some ****ing transparency for once.
CCP gave an interview with icelandic newspaper. They admitted the CSM is there to help them figure out how to make the pay items more presentable to the player. They admitted they cannot issue any statements saying there will be no non-vanity items.
read thread here on it: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1541933
//Waiting for sub to end, not even motivated to log in and change training queue |
Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Viking Sven CSM are bound by a nondisclosure agreement. If they did this, the CSM could be legally held liable for any damages that resulted to CCP.
They can still quit and sell their chars on the forums... last time the community didn't take the hint though.
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Juil I wasn't going to post, but what the hell..
Dear Hilmar,
Please get off your high horse and come address the people who pay your salary yourself.. we don't want to wait until Friday/Saturday and your emergancy meeting with the CSM, we know that the CSM won't be listened to, your own internal leaked documents are rather bluntly showing us that, how about instead you turn on that lovely webcam of yours and actually record a message, one that address's the EVE COMMUNITY from the CEO.. I mean if the head of a major American Airline can do it to appologise for the actions of a Single Captain.. certainly you can do it not only to appologise for the way YOUR employee's have been acting over the past 7 days, but also for the way your company has outright lied to us.
Of course Hilmar I do not expect you to listen to this, once about 5 or so years ago you might have, you used to come in here and walk amongst us 'mortals' you used to care about what WE the players actually thought, not only of the game but of you and the company you helped form.. these days obviously your too busy hiding behind soundwave and the others to bother with us, too busy trying to work out how to make your global idea of 'milking every cent' from our pockets..
For several expansions now you've added half done features.. and we your player base the people who give you money so that you can pay your bills.. which in some respects means we are your stakeholders.. have put up with a product that we know is unfinished, we've contineud to pay at times in the hope.. that you will maybe fix it.. some of us even wanted Incarna, yes some of us did.. But in the past 7 days you've shown that we've been waiting and trusting in vain.
First you release Incarna and it's clear that once again it's an unfinished product, then you release a store front and your EMPLOYEE's have the nerve to try and say that VIRTUAL goods should be as expensive as real life items of the same type, forgetting that the virtual good is hardly costing you a cent past it's original creation as an asset and working on and off in the movie and gaming industry clothing takes at the most 24 man hours to create that's model, rig and texture.. even less if your using Zbrush.. and the anoying eye piece even less.. And then your Employee's have the balls to tell us we should be greatful to you? Then of course your internal stuff leaks and what do we hear.. nothing..
So for once Hilmar why don't you step out of your office and come talk to us, address the concerns in person do a video.. tell us why your breaking your mission statement, tell us why your breaking your trust with us.. tell us WHY YOU'VE LIED TO US, and most of all how about you and ALL OF CCP APPOLOGISE for the mess you've caused the TRUST you've broken.
Then maybe we can start addressing the problems starting with when features that should have been fixed long ago will be fixed, why your breaking your own game market system and everything else.. But really until you start speaking a lot of us ain't gonna trust the CSM or any of your Employee's any more.. it's obvious that the CSM is a joke and that anything from those you pay is likely not worth the virtual paper it's written on and might as well be used in a toilet.. because it might be being said, but it's obviously not meant.
- A disappointed and Sad Eve player Who will NEVER buy stuff of your store at the prices you have.
Good Solid Post! The wall of silence is almost certainly being carried out on the advice of externally hired advisors.. its all about damage limitation.... making us talk ourselves out.. Its pretty simple.. We cant keep giving out if they say absolutely nothing.. This forest fire is burning itself out.. just so long as they stay silent.. and feed it nothing. Until the weekend.. then we'll see. My first unsubbed character is dead in the water tomorrow. Not resubbinb until I hear good news in response to the big yellow question.
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Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 16:45:38
Originally by: Tethys Atreides Ahem...
COOs statement.
They refuse still to change their statemetn to the effect you cannot BUY AN ADVANTAGE. He only says you cannot buy VICTORY, but does not rule out buying an ADVANTAGE.
He also states, he belives not many people will leave over this. Still pompous. No change.
In other words, it is game changing but not game dominating Microtransactions.
Read that. Even allowing for the fact is seems so been translated from Icelandic it reads as being angry, indignant and hostile towards the players - towards their clients.
"he anger that flare up in recent days had been due to three unrelated cases."
So, the crappy update, the internal pdf, the memo, the keep then in the dark and get CCP Zulu to feed them **** are all "unrelated"
It's unlrelated that we are angry becuase "real price" is on the lips." Actually nearly all of us - and every magazine and website agrees here - we don't actually give a toss about the prices in the store, we just think they are in cloud cuckoo land. The bit question is what they ARE planning next.
And we already know that, because the COO tells them: "John says that the games production as CCP can not bring such a statement"
And the article finishes off : "CCP has called for their democratically elected expect players from all over the world this week which will be discussed ways of how the introduction of products for sale in EVE will be presented."
So, because the CSM was 'demogratically elected', anything CCP gets them to agree to - however the means - is fair and just for all the players and they agree on our behalf.
Like **** they do! Their is only one reason CSM are on a jolly to Iceland and that is to get stitched up - and in doing so stitch the players and the game up.
As his final sentence says - as did Hilmar in his email - "John does not particularly concerned that many people will quit playing the game because of changes in product mix in the game."
I can sum it up like this:
Jon H÷r=dal Jonasson, chief operating officer of CCP - who I will point out hasn't got the balls to actually come and talk to us - goes running and crying to Mbl.is because they will offer a sympathetic shoulder. We are naughty bullies, we should bend over like good little trolls, spread our cheeks and drop gold nuggets into the bucket for them.
Pttt.
YOU SPINELESS WEASELS!
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riverini
Gallente Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:14:00 -
[12712]
WoW, every time this thread returns to the front of GD, I know trouble is abound...
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Caladan Broood
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:16:00 -
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I think it is clear what CCP thinks, we need to shut down the markets again and keep them shut. The heat needs to be notched up.
Also where is CCP Pann, she is back at work why not in here trying to spin that last corporate statement which admits everything we've questioned?
//Waiting for sub to end, not even motivated to log in and change training queue |
diaufop
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
mbl inteview
]What I got from that is:
"We're never going to say "NO" to pay-to-win, because ultimately we will introduce them the moment we think we can garner more profit from them than we lose in subscriptions" - nothing new there, it's what we've been saying for the past week.
"The statements from the newsletter and e-mail were taken out of context". The newsletter perhaps - although it's very clear that the newsletter was a NEWSletter and is used as an internal propaganda device to ensure everyone in the company is one the same page, not as a "discussion provoker". Only soundwave and turbefield's articles were "discussion", the rest was pure statement of intent.
As for the e-mail, it was quoted wholly verbatim, how the **** is that out of context?
"CCP have already decided what they're going to say and the CSM will be used as a tool to rubber-stamp our decisions and present them to the players." As we all expected anyway.
How does it feel to be played for fools, oh mighty CSM? To be used as the PR stunt you avow you aren't?
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Zhula Guixgrixks
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: riverini WoW, every time this thread returns to the front of GD, I know trouble is abound...
How true. It looks like somebody pressed the red button.
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Loredona LaPrad
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:19:00 -
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Hey CCP Pann, If you want feed back then here it is. *** NO MICRO-TRANSACTIONS(PERIOD) *** The whole community has spoken and we do not want MT's in the game in the form of Pay-To-Win bullsh*t. Yeah MTs for appearance only items is fine, but when it starts to interfere with the game play then it is Fvcked-up. I beta tested this game when it was in its development phase and still play it today. I remember one of our main concerns was MT's. Look at SOE, WoW and other games and see how MT's destroyed them. Especially look at SOE and all they did to kill EQ, EQ2, Vanguard, Star Wars Galaxies(on the chopping block). I mean does CCP want to go the same route as these companies did that eventually destroyed them? I dont think so. If it is true and you guys are having a budget shortfall then come out and say it and that the only reason your adding MT's is for added income t meet your financial obligations then tell us. I tested and played the game because it was a breath of fresh air and you all promised not to end up like all the other MMO's. *** KEEP YOUR PROMISES, DON'T STAY THE COURSE ON THE MT's *** If you all need the money open the company up to public investments or as for donations. But there are other ways to make money other than destroying the in-game eve economy, push people away by doing something most of the community doesn't want. *** DO NOT STAY THE COURSE AS CEO DOUCHE-BAG HAS RECOMMENDED !!!!!!!*** Return to the way CCP was when Eve-Online first came out. !!!!!!!
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Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Emissary Apollo Back off the ledge guys! Eve online is a great "Game"! We're supposed to be having fun here, remember!? If you're raging this much, you need to check your priorities.
Why are you trying to burn down your own house! What are you hoping to gain...o.k you succeed and CCP goes under...great job! Eve is a game (that I love!!) and CCP is a business. People need to embrace the reality of those two things! They've got to grow to survive and I think Incarna and MT (Heavy on the micro!) will help.
But that me..
EA
You worked for CCP long mate ?
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Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tethys Atreides on 28/06/2011 18:23:20
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Originally by: riverini WoW, every time this thread returns to the front of GD, I know trouble is abound...
How true. It looks like somebody pressed the red button.
Guilty as charged, but it was sooooo shiny...
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Juil
Gallente Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:25:00 -
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Of course some one did he went and talked to a magazine rather then us.... because he needs the CSM to rubberstamp his Press Release.. because you know.. he thinks we may believe were listened to if he pretends to talk to them.
Again.. HILMAR COME TALK TO US RATHER THEN MAGAZINES! - Juil Phoenix Industries
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Zeg Quul
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:27:00 -
[12720]
Can I buy that awesome olli= in ze shop ??
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